Janosky:

Oga, thanks for your response.

In Revelation 9,10 and 11, different angels blew trumpet according to the demands of the ssignment given them to perform.
Theirs is not the last trumpet.
1 Thess 4:16, the last trumpet, the Archangel's voice, raising the dead, it's actually the same person , Jesus Christ doing all.

In the holy scriptures, do you notice that Joshua 5:13-15, Daniel 10:13, 2 These 1:7-8 and Revelation 12:7-9 are similar?
Na Jesus be that, leading his Father's heavenly army.
Hebrew word for Angel ('malak') , the meaning is "son/Messenger" (someone sent of God), John 7:16 & 17:18, that's Jesus Christ and the disciples.
From Matthew to Revelation,who is referenced as " the son of man?"
Not Ezekiel ,not Daniel or David, only Jesus Christ.
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From Matthew to Revelation,whose voice will resurrect the dead?

Only Jesus Christ of course!

Shalom.

Dear Janosky
Alot of errors u made but I discovered wat caused ur error...u were too quick to respond without proper and thorough research...
Let me point out ur three strong points which are total erroneous and at the end u urself will accept that u were too quick to reply
Firstly,u said "There is no last trumpet" (error)
U based ur inference totally on the letter of Paul to the Thessalonians without comparing scriptures with scriptures. Thank God it was Paul and not another author that wrote the same letter to the Corinthians maybe u wud av argued if it was a different author that he was mistaken and Paul was the one right but God so good it was Paul who wrote both...now in Corinthians;
1 Corinthians 15:51-53
[51]But let me reveal to you a wonderful secret. We will not all die, but we will all be transformed!
[52]It will happen in a moment, in the blink of an eye, when the *last trumpet* is blown. For when the trumpet sounds, those who have died will be raised to live forever. And we who are living will also be transformed.
[53]For our dying bodies must be transformed into bodies that will never die; our mortal bodies must be transformed into immortal bodies.

Secondly dear Janosky u said only Jesus was referred to as "son of man"...I will believe this is a typographical error...u don't mean it...because u must av read through Ezekiel. He was referred to as son of man more times than Christ himself...below is just one out if over 30 times
Ezekiel 37:3
[3]Then he asked me, “Son of man, can these bones become living people again?”“O Sovereign lord,” I replied, “you alone know the answer to that.”

Thirdly and lastly,u said whose voice from Matthew to Revelation will wake the dead...u answer ursef and said Jesus of course (error)
I told u to compare scriptures with scriptures.
We av Trumpet,Voice, descend.
Trumpet
Matthew 24:31
[31]And he will send out his angels with the mighty blast of a trumpet, and they will gather his chosen ones from all over the world—from the farthest ends of the earth and heaven.

Jesus said he will send his angel with the blast of a trumpet. Then 1 Corinthians 15:52 said last trumpet and Revelation 9,10 and 11 explain incidents of seven sounds of trumpet and after the last(seventh) the incident relating to Daniel 12 occurred. But it was not Jesus but a mighty angel that blow the last trumpet.

The Voice
In Daniel 12...Michael spoke by swear an oath with the name of the Lord of Host...In Revelation 10...a Mighty Angel spoke by swaring an oath with the name of the Lord of Host...can u see the correlation...but still it was not Jesus but Michael or Mighty Angel.

The Descend
In Matthew and Revelation it was explain that after the above...the lamb of God,Son of man , Word of God or Jesus will then be revealed for eyes to see.

Dear Janosky
Note the errors I pointed out and also note the role of the trumpets and the angels in charge,not the voice(sound or speech of oat) made by Michael or Mighty Angel to announce the conclusion,and then not the revealing of the Son of God...that is wat I mean by roles were being played

MaxInDHouse:


Michael is an angel but Jesus is human so when John writes a letter to Christians he can't bring in unnecessary details that has little or nothing to do with what we need.
Jesus is the model we need to follow his footsteps closely {1Peter 2:21} as for Michael being Jesus in his prehuman existence that's a sacred secret that will be revealed later.

I have presented the correlations that's why i said it doesn't matter whether you believe it or not, those who knew it have the evidence and they're not forcing it on whoever doesn't know!

Dear MaxinDHouse
Like I always say to u...u are very wonderful...
I agree with u using the scriptural quote .."the secret thing is of the Lord but the one revealed is for us and our children". And "there is nothing secret that will not the revealed and there is nothing hidden that will not be seen and brought to Light". So,standing on this protocol I accept that there are things on God(the Father of Jesus Christ) knows that even Christ himself do not know, neither his angels...not to talk of we mortals. As revealed in;
Matthew 24:36
[36]“However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows.
And
Revelation 19:12
[12]His eyes were like flames of fire, and on his head were many crowns. A name was written on him that no one understood except himself.

Using the above verses, let me state by exemplifying...we av numerous colours. An individual came said I hide some color that only I knows ..I won't tell u how many they are whether one,two,three or more but this I will tell u...in there is blue and white...whether there are other colors in there is known only to me,u don't need bother. That was the instruction.
When he left...we became curious and stated debating and permutating...few decided to be okay with the two colors,others stated guessing more colours...some may be right,some may be wrong,all may be right,all may be wrong. Nobody knows until d secret owner comes and reveal it...
Conclusion
The names revealed to us are;. Jesus the Messiah/Christ,the Word of God,the Son of God,the Lamb of God etc...others might be there but are not revealed.
Let's stay with the ones that are revealed expressly...they are more than enough for us and our salvation.

Thank u so much MaxinDHouse...keep it up

immaculatesense:

Dear MaxinDHouse
Like I always say to u...u are very wonderful...
I agree with u using the scriptural quote .."the secret thing is of the Lord but the one revealed is for us and our children". And "there is nothing secret that will not the revealed and there is nothing hidden that will not be seen and brought to Light". So,standing on this protocol I accept that there are things on God(the Father of Jesus Christ) knows that even Christ himself do not know, neither his angels...not to talk of we mortals. As revealed in;
Matthew 24:36
[36]“However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows.
And
Revelation 19:12
[12]His eyes were like flames of fire, and on his head were many crowns. A name was written on him that no one understood except himself.

Using the above verses, let me state by exemplifying...we av numerous colours. An individual came said I hide some color that only I knows ..I won't tell u how many they are whether one,two,three or more but this I will tell u...in there is blue and white...whether there are other colors in there is known only to me,u don't need bother. That was the instruction.
When he left...we became curious and stated debating and permutating...few decided to be okay with the two colors,others stated guessing more colours...some may be right,some may be wrong,all may be right,all may be wrong. Nobody knows until d secret owner comes and reveal it...
Conclusion
The names revealed to us are;. Jesus the Messiah/Christ,the Word of God,the Son of God,the Lamb of God etc...others might be there but are not revealed.
Let's stay with the ones that are revealed expressly...they are more than enough for us and our salvation.

Thank u so much MaxinDHouse...keep it up

Jesus commanded some to TEACH others in the midst of his disciples {Matt 28:20} which means some sacred secrets will be revealed only to these chosen few {John 14:26} in order for all his disciples to have the same line of thought {John 17:20-23 compare to Hebr 13:7, 17} that's the only way PEACE can reign in the gathering of his disciples! John 14:27 compare 1Corin 14:33

So many have found this little flock {Luke 12:32} of anointed brothers of Christ and they are working with them to achieve what God promised {Isai 2:2-4; Zephaniah 3:9} whoever doesn't want to accept what Jesus revealed to them is not ready to worship our God. Period! 2John 10-11 compare to Romans 16:17

We have heard from Jesus' anointed brothers that he is the Archangel Michael and we have observed all the fine WORKS he's been doing with them {Matt 7:16-18} no JW showed me all the correlations i presented to you earlier, i only read a publication where they briefly mentioned Jesus as the former angel Michael but i searched the scriptures myself to be sure if it's so! Act 17:11

So you can continue worshiping your own God we know those with whom we worship our own God!

MaxInDHouse:

Whenever JWs say the Son of God transformed into the womb of Mary is the Archangel Michael most religionists often feel like raising the roof as if we can't back it up scripturally.
Well i'm not saying you should accept it or preach it to unbelievers because that's the name he bears in the spirit realms before his life as a human and earthly ministry, after his successfully mission on earth {John 19:30} his name is now Jesus Christ the lamb that takes away the sin of the world.
So we don't have to call him by his prehuman name rather let it be known that at the mention of the name of JESUS all knees of those who wants to continue living must bow.
Thank you!

false jw mad max

God's word doesn't say that Jesus name when Spirit is "michael"
God's word does say that Jesus name when Spirit is "The Word of God"

Rev 19:13  He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God.



Jesus name was "The Word" right back at the beginning of creation

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Janosky:


Jacob is also called Israel, Peter is also called Simon, Dorcas is called Tabitha,Jesus is called 'the Word','the Messiah", why not the archangel Michael he is?

oh duh fraud jw janosky

your comparison sure is so dum

God's word tells of God changing jacob's name to israel, and
God's word tells of saul also being called paul, and
God's word tells of tabitha also being called dorcas
God's word tells of Jesus also being called the Word and the Messiah, and

God's word doesn't tell that Jesus name was michael, but

God's word does tell that "Jesus" name was "The Word"

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:14  And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

^^ "The Word" became flesh/man, and that man is called "Jesus"

johnw47:

false jw mad max
God's word doesn't say that Jesus name when Spirit is "michael"
God's word does say that Jesus name when Spirit is "The Word of God"
Rev 19:13  He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God.
Jesus name was "The Word" right back at the beginning of creation
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The word of God is not a name rather it's symbolises the duty of the one in question, he is God's chiefspokeperson among the angels "Archangel Michael"
God's word revealed that the Almighty God will raise all His faithful servants back to life {Job 14:13-15} just as He raised Jesus from the dead {Hebrews 5:7} but whose voice will God use?
The scriptures confirmed that it's the voice of His chiefspokeperson Michael the Archangel! 1Thessa 4:16-17

Thank you!

MaxInDHouse:


The word of God is not a name rather it's symbolises the duty of the one in question, he is God's chiefspokeperson among the angels "Archangel Michael"
God's word revealed that the Almighty God will raise all His faithful servants back to life {Job 14:13-15} just as He raised Jesus from the dead {Hebrews 5:7} but whose voice will God use?
The scriptures confirmed that it's the voice of His chiefspokeperson Michael the Archangel! 1Thessa 4:16-17

Thank you!

oh duh sayer of anything, false jw mad max

Rev 19:13  And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

johnw47:

oh duh sayer of anything, false jw mad max
Rev 19:13  And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Your insanity is beyond compare!
If you don't agree with anyone's beliefs does it makes them mad?
Surely you're not ripe for mature discussion.
Revelations is not to be taken literally that's why in your churches you don't pray in the name of "The word of God"
Until you people start praying in the name of Word of God before you can prove that the word of God is a literal name!

MaxInDHouse:

Your insanity is beyond compare!

says lost mad max, so funny

MaxInDHouse:
If you don't agree with anyone's beliefs does it makes them mad?
Surely you're not ripe for mature discussion.

your not mad because your beliefs aren't agreed with
you are mad because you say you can defeat 6 armed combatants single handed
and you can make someone eat and drink through his anus

you tell everyone how your wife loves to play with your dic etc. etc.

saying you are mad is very lenient, you are as crazy as hell

MaxInDHouse:
Revelations is not to be taken literally that's why in your churches you don't pray in the name of "The word of God"
Until you people start praying in the name of Word of God before you can prove that the word of God is a literal name!

job 15:12 Why doth thine heart carry thee away? and what do thy eyes wink at



lost false jw mad max

of course you don't believe God's word that Jesus pre flesh name is
"the Word of God" even though He is called "the Word" even in the beginning of creation

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.


you do however believe the devil and his lies:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.


Jesus is called many names, but not michael, of course

MaxInDHouse:


Jesus commanded some to TEACH others in the midst of his disciples {Matt 28:20} which means some sacred secrets will be revealed only to these chosen few {John 14:26} in order for all his disciples to have the same line of thought {John 17:20-23 compare to Hebr 13:7, 17} that's the only way PEACE can reign in the gathering of his disciples! John 14:27 compare 1Corin 14:33

So many have found this little flock {Luke 12:32} of anointed brothers of Christ and they are working with them to achieve what God promised {Isai 2:2-4; Zephaniah 3:9} whoever doesn't want to accept what Jesus revealed to them is not ready to worship our God. Period! 2John 10-11 compare to Romans 16:17

We have heard from Jesus' anointed brothers that he is the Archangel Michael and we have observed all the fine WORKS he's been doing with them {Matt 7:16-18} no JW showed me all the correlations i presented to you earlier, i only read a publication where they briefly mentioned Jesus as the former angel Michael but i searched the scriptures myself to be sure if it's so! Act 17:11

So you can continue worshiping your own God we know those with whom we worship our own God!

Dear MaxinDHouse
This is a conversation that I was so so cautious to no make it segregational or denominational but u av made it seem so from ur angel...
I was born Pentecostal but I am not Pentecostal...I am just notin but a follower of Christ...I am a Sunday school teacher and coordinator or two different denomination. At the start of all my teaching I do tell then...I won't teach u the teaching of men by consensus but I will teach u wat d Bible says and how it was bn said even if it against wat d denomination teach. Leaders of these denomination don't like it wen I conflict with their rule but still they can't just against it,or stop me...they love it but u know all these orders from above kinda thing. Thinks like "you are right truly,but u know these is how we do things in our church from the headquarters,these are wat we were told"
I stated the above for u to know that I am not lenient to denomination but the Bible...
You kept saying secret,secret,secret... revealed by our brethen,taught by them etc.. .forgetting that even Paul himself said if an angel,or any apostle or even himself reveal other things to us that has not been revealed we should not believe...even if they claim to even seen an angel or God...those things may or may not be true...even if they are...we were advised to stick to wat had been reveal so that we will not by any chance loose our strong footing due to not being vigilant enough.
Dear MaxinDHouse I never said u were wrong or right...I don't know myself because it wasn't revealed...my advice had always been let us always stick to wat had bn revealed extensively in the scriptures and not contemporary times with are debatable as I av shown to you.

i would have no problem at all calling Jesus in Spirit: the Word of God

hello Word of God



but the Word/Jesus of course will have a new name that i will call Him

Rev_3:12  Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

johnw47:


says lost mad max, so funny



your not mad because your beliefs aren't agreed with
you are mad because you say you can defeat 6 armed combatants single handed
and you can make someone eat and drink through his anus

you tell everyone how your wife loves to play with your dic etc. etc.

saying you are mad is very lenient, you are as crazy as hell




job 15:12 Why doth thine heart carry thee away? and what do thy eyes wink at



lost false jw mad max

of course you don't believe God's word that Jesus pre flesh name is
"the Word of God" even though He is called "the Word" even in the beginning of creation

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.


you do however believe the devil and his lies:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.


Jesus is called many names, but not michael, of course

Dear johnw47
I believe u av gone through my reply on this thread...please I beg u don't be abusive or defensive while convening ur thoughts...no one is an Iceland of knowledge but I believe in our discussion we could be more polite.
Thank u

immaculatesense:

Dear MaxinDHouse
This is a conversation that I was so so cautious to no make it segregational or denominational but u av made it seem so from ur angel...
I was born Pentecostal but I am not Pentecostal...I am just notin but a follower of Christ...I am a Sunday school teacher and coordinator or two different denomination. At the start of all my teaching I do tell then...I won't teach u the teaching of men by consensus but I will teach u wat d Bible says and how it was bn said even if it against wat d denomination teach. Leaders of these denomination don't like it wen I conflict with their rule but still they can't just against it,or stop me...they love it but u know all these orders from above kinda thing. Thinks like "you are right truly,but u know these is how we do things in our church from the headquarters,these are wat we were told"
I stated the above for u to know that I am not lenient to denomination but the Bible...
You kept saying secret,secret,secret... revealed by our brethen,taught by them etc.. .forgetting that even Paul himself said if an angel,or any apostle or even himself reveal other things to us that has not been revealed we should not believe...even if they claim to even seen an angel or God...those things may or may not be true...even if they are...we were advised to stick to wat had been reveal so that we will not by any chance loose our strong footing due to not being vigilant enough.
Dear MaxinDHouse I never said u were wrong or right...I don't know myself because it wasn't revealed...my advice had always been let us always stick to wat had bn revealed extensively in the scriptures and not contemporary times with are debatable as I av shown to you.

hi, i would be interested in knowing which bible you prefer
what do you think is the best translation

a tough question, i know

johnw47:


hi, i would be interested in knowing which bible you prefer
what do you think is the best translation

a tough question, i know

Dear johnw47
Thank God for technology and phones that had made it possible to read all versions in one app and even manuscripts written in the original languages.
I use all scriptures but I most times quote from the New Living Translation (NLT)

immaculatesense:

Dear johnw47
Thank God for technology and phones that had made it possible to read all versions in one app and even manuscripts written in the original languages.
I use all scriptures but I most times quote from the New Living Translation (NLT)

You are reading a version, not a translation.

immaculatesense:

Dear johnw47
Thank God for technology and phones that had made it possible to read all versions in one app and even manuscripts written in the original languages.
I use all scriptures but I most times quote from the New Living Translation (NLT)

yes i have two good bible apps with all of that in them, the one i'm using at the moment
hasn't got NLT, but from memory the other has, i will have a look
thanks

Maynman:


You are reading a version, not a translation.

NLT stands for new living translation

Maynman:


You are reading a version, not a translation.

Dear Maynman
I thought I stated it clearly that "VERSION" I never said translation...did I?...pls if I did...I would correct it immediately but I can't see anything of such... thank u

immaculatesense:

Dear Maynman
I thought I stated it clearly that "VERSION" I never said translation...did I?...pls if I did...I would correct it immediately but I can't see anything of such... thank u

You are reading a version why not read it as it is?

johnw47:


NLT stands for new living translation

William Tyndale, jehovah witness bravo

Maynman:


William Tyndale, jehovah witness bravo

so long as you know NLT stands for new living translation
and not new living version

Maynman:


You are reading a version why not read it as it is?

Dear Maynman
I really do not get u...I stated it that I am privy to manuscripts and also privy to the English versus...
Or is it me that don't understand ur point?

johnw47:


so long as you know NLT stands for new living translation
and not new living version

From a revision right?

immaculatesense:

Dear Maynman
I really do not get u...I stated it that I am privy to manuscripts and also privy to the English versus...
Or is it me that don't understand ur point?

Manuscripts? That’s a lie.

immaculatesense:

Dear Maynman
I thought I stated it clearly that "VERSION" I never said translation...did I?...pls if I did...I would correct it immediately but I can't see anything of such... thank u

i said translation, he is confused

johnw47:


i said translation, he is confused

You are the confused one.
They are translating a revision

Maynman:


Manuscripts? That’s a lie.

Thank God I never said Original manuscripts...
But cut the chase... everyone understand wat am talking about...if u wanna confirm...u can go online and check if u can have a copy(not the original) anyways

immaculatesense:

Thank God I never said Original manuscripts...
But cut the chase... everyone understand wat am talking about...if u wanna confirm...u can go online and check if u can have a copy(not the original) anyways

Both original and fake, you haven’t read a bit.
Keep beating around the bush bwahahaha

Maynman:


You are the confused one.
They are translating a revision

and where did i say different

you say either and i say eiver
you say neither and i say neiver

eiver either neither niver, lets call the whole thing off

johnw47:


and where did i say different

you say either and i say eiver
you say neither and i say neiver

eiver either neither niver, lets call the whole thing off

Okay.

Maynman:


From a revision right?

Dear Maynman
Can I ask?
Who or what do you believe or is ur belief?
Cos I don't just like talking for d sake of it...I love precision and not argument

immaculatesense:

Dear Maynman
Can I ask?
Who or what do you believe or is ur belief?
Cos I don't just like talking for d sake of it...I love precision and not argument

Why should I have this?
Is it a prerequisite to something?