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Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by LaSenior: 2:46pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
Honoredeblazac:you are definitely right on this one 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by Emusan(m): 2:46pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
ikezudon: Yes an architect is the head of the project not the one who should execute the project. That's where the confusion started. An architect was trained to design, in fact many architects don't know the position of COLUMNS in the building and a structural engineer can introduce beam(s) into the building Las las, na wetin we design dem go build You're right but you don't know the working structural members of the building which hold the building in place. and we gats Dey there till dem build an finish.[quote] Well many clients can bypass architect if their taste can be met but the structural parts of the building can never be overlooked by anybody. |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by Holluwatarhyor(m): 2:48pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
rocknation62:How sure are you he's not an architect or a surveyor,because most people will give their construction works to an architect or a surveyor once he convince them he can handle it,or did he show you his certificate? |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by Holluwatarhyor(m): 2:49pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
rocknation62:How sure are you he's not an architect or a surveyor,because most people will give their construction works to an architect or a surveyor once he convince them he can handle it,or did he show you his certificate? Well,it's your choice,a bricklayer will build storey buildings with experience and not conducting the necessary test on materials |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by NotKnown: 2:51pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
ikezudon: The architect has NO RIGHT whatsoever to supervise any building. What are you supervising? That they should follow the drawing or what? So what then is the job of the structural engineer? What's the job of a builder? You guys take a lot of things for granted in Nigeria. If Nigeria was truly working a lot of you would have been jailed. |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by Emusan(m): 2:55pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
Holluwatarhyor: Among the three you mentioned only BUILDER is an Engineer. Yes civil engineering is vast but it has been narrow down to just three. Which are: 1. Structure 2. High way 3. Water 1 Like |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by Emusan(m): 2:58pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
NotKnown: You're wrong! Architect is the head of the building Team! So he/she must be there to ensure that the building was built as designed. Just as structural engineer a team member must also be there to ensure that all the structural members are built as designed 1 Like |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by Nobody: 2:59pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
No offense OP, but the reason why people engage in these quacks is because many of our so called graduate engineers dont even know how to set blocks , or basic of practical construction, how can you supervise something you know nothing of. Many of the so called engineers engaged end up contracting the work to the masons. Now am not saying all our engineers are like that , but the majority dont like getting their hands dirty. I can never be comfortable with an Engineer who prefers the desk than the field, or the one who prefers suits to chinos. 2 Likes |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by Nobody: 3:02pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
NotKnown: But the structural engineer is the one who is supposed to provide structural plans of the building, but I see many architects doing this in practice, I guess thats one of the dividends of autocad, one can easily copy and paste other peoples jobs. |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by Holluwatarhyor(m): 3:03pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
Emusan:Julius berger is a civil engineering company and they can handle the building of structures,because I'm not getting you,are you a builder or a civil engineer to start with?? 1 Like |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by Jefferyhi86(m): 3:04pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
Benin especially is a case study, las las na one flat there power reach to do ![]() 1 Like |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by Hamachi(f): 3:06pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
I lost my house to such kind of people, spent 7m and the house was a mess, I regretted ever using Baba Ijekun. I eventually sold off the property. 1 Like |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by VicM6: 3:06pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
Just the same way chemist go talk say dem be doctor and nurse's....See na 9ja we dey jare, notin freak me again....mechanic don dey teach carpenter work for site now adays, even person wey dey clean inside airplane dey call him self pilot. |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by Samunique(m): 3:09pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
Honoredeblazac:There nothing, absolutely nothing to add again !!! You just nailed it !!! I think the op is just being economical with the truth ! I'm a site man, so I Know the op is just a joker and insincere ;-\ he fails to mention the real culprits which are the half baked graduates parading themselves as engineers, you need to see their yeye on site sometimes, some of them still need to depend on some experienced brickilayers to read through plans . Pls this points need more emphasis rather than putting all the blames on pay as you go site workers . 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by Jokerman(m): 3:12pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
Emusan: Does NSE or COREN care about this?? ![]() ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by Jokerman(m): 3:17pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
NotKnown: ![]() ![]() ![]() Oh I know, another eat and drink conference is coming up, and time to award tinubu a fellow... ![]() |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by Redpillar(m): 3:23pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
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Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by Emusan(m): 3:27pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
Holluwatarhyor: That means Julius Berger can do all the three aspect of civil engineering works i.e structure, highway and water(dam). I'm a Builder/Structural Engineer. |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by Samunique(m): 3:29pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
swissgoldenpro3:There's nothing true about the op, he's just being one-sided, 30% of our experienced bricklayers are better than 65% of our construction-engineers today. Believe me, many of these poorly constructed buildings are not directly the fault of these people in the op, but the owners of those buildings trying to cut the costs, and going for cheaper materials/ estimates. Next time, the op should learn to balance things ! |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by Emusan(m): 3:36pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
quentin06: You're right! but I see many architects doing this in practice No architect can do that unless the architect is also a structural engineer, what you see are people who are just doing guess work. I guess thats one of the dividends of autocad, one can easily copy and paste other peoples jobs. You can copy people work on autocad especially the architectural drawings but each building has different structural members which need different structural analysis and detailing but what many so called professionals do is to copy and paste any structural drawings they have and do a guess work on the project. |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by Obiebanks007(m): 3:38pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
Bros no vex, u no get talk for mouth What's engineering if construction!! Those guys you mentioned, what do they do? Because most of them didn't go to school, they been seen as quack....abeg 4get this talk u saying, If it's a white man in this positions you mentioned doing this job I guess they be wen as engineer, because na blacks u remember say them be carpenter, brick layer, mason man e.t.c, and not engineers Let's promote and support one another God bless Africa God bless Nigeria 2 Likes |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by InvertedHammer: 3:40pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
Holluwatarhyor:/ And you are sure that the person doing the soil test is qualified? You are sure that the real engineer handling your project didn't "sort" his way through school? Nigeria is what it is. The people who claim they know what they are doing are not affordable because their is no standardized pricing. Some people snap other people's projects and pass it off as their own. Nigeria is a basket case. Going to school and getting a degree/certificates is only one of many factors in determining competence. / 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by Holluwatarhyor(m): 3:53pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
InvertedHammer:you are right |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by Holluwatarhyor(m): 3:54pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
InvertedHammer:you are right but there are still few good ones,I've lost some projects because I billed up to the right standard for the said projects and the clients are insisting I should come down with the price,but I don't like sleeping with one eye closed,my peace of mind is paramount |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by GloriousGbola: 3:55pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
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Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by Holluwatarhyor(m): 3:57pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
Emusan:Sure,I did my IT with them 2006 |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by ipledge10(m): 3:57pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
Simeonjoe1:I don’t know how Engineers are licensed in Nigeria, but graduating with engineering degree doesn’t make someone an engineer. You still have to write fundamental of Engineering exam, go through four years of apprenticeship before being able to write a professional engineering exam. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by Kaycee9242(m): 4:01pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
Honoredeblazac: U are very correct |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by christistruth01: 4:02pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
Emusan: In the UK builders first over Concentrate on Structure reinforcement and foundation fortification for which they often used Steel and A grade Concrete Because they have already over Fortified the Foundations and Building Support the building has no Problem It is like training a bricklayer to always build a Foundation and Supports that are always ten times more than what is needed as long as the Foundation and Supports are far above what is needed the builder can build up to 4 Storeys with no Problem Every floor is supported by Steel bars and Pillars underneath it that is far above what is necessary to support the building There are actually builders whose only Job it is to build the Steel Support of the building and they drill deep into the Ground like 60-100ft pump reinforced Concrete into the Ground then sink the Steel bars that will hold up the entire Structure even if there is an earthquake it will not Collapse In the UK people that start out as Site Labourers are trained to be Site Engineers and Managers on the Job all the time and they are among the best in the world They really understand Construction despite not having any degree only on the Job Training 1 Like |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by Halo22: 4:22pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
Engr wey do like Lawyer nah suegbe eee! 3 Likes |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by LagbajaTheBEREAN: 4:27pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
NotKnown:There are exception to this.. |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by Jman06(m): 4:28pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
Op, the problem permeates every profession in Nigeria! Our leaders are mostly illiterates who can't think properly to see the dangerous effects of quackery and how it contributes to low life expectancy in the country. Just take the health sector as another instance. Only in Nigeria are school drop outs forming associations (NAPMED or what are they called sef) and parading themselves as "doctors" and administering all manner of drugs to ignorant Nigerians. Tell me why our lifespan will not be low with such quackery in our health sector?! Check out countries like Ghana, they don't have such practices as patent medicine dealers! They have only qualified pharmacists dispensing drugs. That's a country with sound minds as leaders! Why do we even send people to schools to go and study those professional courses when we cannot thoroughly checkmate quackery in those professions? Why not just allow everybody become quacks so we can outrightly kill ourselves! |
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