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Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by luizpippo(m): 4:39pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
Simeonjoe1: Engr setting blocks? Kai, stop this clowning bros. That's not our duty. 3 Likes |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by christistruth01: 4:46pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
Holluwatarhyor: Do you know that Julius Berger himself was a Builder not an Engineer and he got his understanding of building by Transportation of building Materials |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by lagosrd: 4:59pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
Bunch of untrainable retards. I love it when they mess the client up and I am called to correct it. I will charge you like ........ Artisans are not professionals stop patronizing quacks 1 Like
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Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by InvertedHammer: 5:00pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
Holluwatarhyor:/ There are many good ones but you have to waste a lot of money on quacks before finally meeting the competent ones. Those who meet competent ones at the first opportunity do not know what others go through. You give someone a job and still have to supervise them to ensure quality assurance. If you notice, the degrees and qualifications that Nigerians parade on paper are not alway at par with their performances in real world. / |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by lagosrd: 5:00pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
christistruth01: Was that how he got the knowledge of bridge construction too. Pls stop glorifying stupidity 2 Likes |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by lagosrd: 5:05pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
LaSenior: Very wrong, stop saying what you don't know. Was it a quack or uneducated person that built cocoa house ? Haba. Those poor engineering graduates are the result of your country not given them hands on experience during before and after school. How many of them are accepted in engineering companies during their NYSC but your lawyers and doctors are sent straight to better places and hospitals . You send your own professionals to the classroom. So tell me is it from heaven they will bring the skills they went to school to learn or were you told that they went through the university to become masons? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by iamL(f): 5:06pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
Honoredeblazac: You are so on point. Professionalism is not by certificate or title is how well you know the job. U know how many so called qualified Field engineers we don pursue from site? Even all this abokis know work pass them. 2 Likes |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by Nobody: 5:09pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
Emusan: Plans and drawings mean the same thing, you could call them technical drawings, no let english cause problem for you. ![]() |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by lagosrd: 5:11pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
NotKnown: Go back to school and learn the various jobs of the professionals in the building industry. The architect must supervise and ensure the building is built to specification while materials are not compromised by anyone on site. The architect is the one that reads the mind of the client and knows exactly what he wants and not the engineer. There should be no argument about that except the engineer has something he is hiding . Let me also remind you professionally, onthe scale of fees or a professional job, the architect earns the most. Go back to school and stop the online self confusion. 1 Like |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by lagosrd: 5:11pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
SeniorGee: God bless you |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by Christistruth00: 5:49pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
lagosrd: How many bridges have indigenous Nigerian Engineers built accross River Niger without external help ? |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by Goldie16(f): 5:53pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
The artisans sabi work pass. Especially those that worked with Julius Berger 2 Likes |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by GodsOwn2004(m): 5:53pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
Your statement below shows that you don't know anything about civil engineering. Emusan: 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by bomly(f): 5:55pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
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Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by highbee02: 6:00pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
A truck driver (tipper) once called himself a CONTRACTOR. This was because he had some engineers who were patronizing him. 1 Like |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by ambient: 6:03pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
Hahahahahaha,I can relate,I remember when my husband wanted to add a security house to the main house the person supplying the blocks literally took a plain sheet to draw up the building plan,my husband was wowed...he didn't even factor in the position of the house,he even suggested it should be built on the soak away.quite hilarious episode. 2 Likes |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by Gbadebo19(m): 6:07pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
Holluwatarhyor:O.P, you are just being biased. The plain truth is that both engineers and bricklayers are complicit in this matter. What about the last multi storey building that collapsed in Lagos the last time? Was it handled by bricklayers? In my house that I live here, it has been 27 years now and yet we do not have a crack and it was built by bricklayers. Visit rural areas and see mud houses that have been standing for over 50 years come rain come shine. I do not condemn your write up oo, but I think you should have been more objective rather than cast. 1 Like |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by KillerBeauty(f): 6:10pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
It's when you want to build your house you will realize that there is a death of skilled technicians and artisans in this country. Not every tiler know how to tile. The room tiles in my house, makes a cracky noise when you steps on some of them. Same with the PVC ceiling, it's bent, with nails placed haphazardly. There is a crack on the wall. They didn't do earthing before I moved in. Roof was leaking. Some many problems. 2 Likes |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by dammyllare(m): 6:11pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
Emusan: Smiles, very funny individual. You know next to nothing as regard the functions of a civil engineer or how many specialization we have on this profession 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by christistruth01: 6:20pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
iamL: It is called on the Job Experience |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by kebliss(m): 6:21pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
Jokerman: The only thing COREN cares about is payment of one fees 1 Like |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by dammyllare(m): 6:35pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
In as much as most people are right based on what they have experienced with professionals. It still doesn't justify giving any structure beyond bungalow to an untrained professional. Yes we have many quacks and untrained civil engineers which is due to the decadence in our educational system just as we have quacks in all profession. Let me ask, how many of us would allow a quack inject him, represent him in court and so on?. I met a pharmacist some years ago who was building a story building at shagamu, I gave him a cost but as an igbo man, he felt his kinsmen could handle it. I did design for him which he didn't even bother to collect. Just after the roofing stage.. The slab at a section collapsed.he called me crying and I told him I won't show him any pity. He has to pay my funds. After helping him make corrections, I asked him how he would feel if I engage in self medication instead of consulting a doctor or a pharmacist like him. I did a project at Ogudu and after analyzing the soil report... I gave him a good structure which many people has been referencing. A man came there to meet me because he just wasted millions engaging a quack build twin structure with one already settling and deflecting at the back almost hitting the second structure. The structure is visible as soon as you are on the Ogudu bridge. I had a big madam come to my site when I was building rehobot bakery at Ogba, she was building around 60 shops at computer village with no structural person on site. She made use of a bricklayer and upon my visitation to site, I noticed the errors in reinforcement details, no calculations as regard the imposed load, self load or dead load. Not even considering if a structure is meant for a commercial or residential purpose. I refused to put my stamp on it for some hundreds of thousands and loose my integrity or my name. Also, we need to inform our architects who are forming an Engineer after designing a project.it is not in your place or duty to determine the structural element, yours is to serve as a project manager representing the interest of your client.. Anything after that is out of place. Lastly, builders and civil engineers have been so undervalued in this country. I did a design for a structure at Amity estate last week, this guy gave the drawings to his QS and that one was trying to question my reasons for some reinforcement members. I became so mad and told the guy an ordinary QS trying to question my designs without running any analyses or having any background on structural designs. He claimed to have not seen 2 section of a single building having different thickness of slab or the use of 25mm bar in beams on a cantilever of 2m... We need to watch it and I don't beg people for work, I give you a bill and if you feel the cost is high... I allow you buy all the required materials while paying my professional fee 5 Likes |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by Simeonjoe1: 6:41pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
ikezudon: You get most of this artisans are highly skilled. They've been doing their jobs for years knows most things about completing a project. See USA for example most of those guys no go school and they earn very well and do the work effectively. They are countless project that this ordinary bricklayers have engaged in. Most of Nigerian 98% homes na ordinary bricklayers they build from start to finish, most of those artisans didn't go to school some can't even speak English but they do their work just fine. So don't use the mistake of a few to generalize the rest. 2 Likes |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by irunoko(m): 6:48pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
dragunov:lmaoo anybody wey see your post will think that you're decent and sensible not knowing that you are a pretender Is your penis hair obscene? What is obscene about your own body parts? Oniranu.because you're a pervert you think others Will be as perverted as you? ![]() ![]() Adagba magbon ![]() |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by Simeonjoe1: 6:48pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
Emusan: This bill doesn't make sense but rather impoverish some people further. Making of quality block is no Brainer. |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by Jokerman(m): 6:48pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
Obiebanks007: If you are abroad, or in a sane country, you can't be called an engineer... yiu go remain your technician level... 1 Like |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by Simeonjoe1: 6:50pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
phemmyfour:.. As long as you're in Nigeria there's no difference btw engineers and artisan. How many things the certified engineers fit produce. All this civil engineer for 9ja how many highway, bridge, skyscrapers dey fit construct? |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by Simeonjoe1: 6:57pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
Originalsly: Most of this fault is not with the bricklayers but the owners. Bricklayers also know about concrete blocks and reinforced concrete foundation but how may landlord fit afford am. Nigerians are found of cutting cost in their dealings. After giving a quotation of 5m they will say they should reduce it to 3M. remove this and that, the bag of cement is too much this bag should be enough. Use this sand they are same and it's cheaper. When bricklayers too won chop he will do the Oga bidding if not another bricklayer with far less cost go take am up. Even you as a professional engineer you'll do the same. So who is to blame? 1 Like |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by dammyllare(m): 6:59pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
Simeonjoe1: Smiles, you are not enlightened. In the USA, you dare not engage on a project without being a member of a recognized body. You can't erect a structure that didn't pass through the necessary testing lab or being below standard. We need to know where every individual belong. There are engineers, technicians, assistants, interns and unskilled craftsmen and you dare not go beyond your skilled level without necessary approval. Artisans no matter how good are meant to be supervised by a registered professional. I have been opportuned to meet many great skilled artisans but what has made them to stay up there is that they recognize the importance of having a professional handling some certain aspect of structures for them. Listen, as a civil engineer... I was trained to do the work of a Land Surveyor, a Quantity Surveyor, an architect aside my own work as a civil engineer but I would be selfish and stupid thinking I don't need these guys on my projects. Let ys discourage all this bad habits 1 Like |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by lagosrd: 7:02pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
Christistruth00: Go and read your History. You need to leave your parents houses. Ask Dantata and Sawo company , august 1st construction coy etc. Foe your information, all they use the white for is to get the contact out majorly. |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by Simeonjoe1: 7:04pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
VicM6: That's a completely different analogy no bring am come here |
Re: When Bricklayers Parade Themselves As Engineers by Obiebanks007(m): 7:06pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
Jokerman: Leading to the final deal been CONSTRUCTION ![]() You seem right though. /Technician/ I love your branding specifier ![]() |
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