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Re: How Long Does It Take To Receive The Holyspirit After Salvation? by Shawl001(m): 8:57pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Kai, What's this? YOU ARE FAKE...SO ARE YOUR WORDS. In real life, I'd cast you out. |
Re: How Long Does It Take To Receive The Holyspirit After Salvation? by Mikee19(m): 9:52pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
RoyalDiadems: I usually dont comment on things like these, but OP this is very good advice, u will do well to stay clear of them. They deny the authority of God's word, and the ministry gifts Jesus has placed in the body. Sincere, but sincerely deluded unfortunately. Stay clear 2 Likes |
Re: How Long Does It Take To Receive The Holyspirit After Salvation? by Kobojunkie: 10:57pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
Shawl001:My words are fake. Care to show them as fake by actually showing where Jesus Christ proves them to be so? ![]() P.S. attacking me does not in any way or form prove my words fake. Instead what it does is reveal the spirit working inside of you, and it ain't of God. ![]() |
Re: How Long Does It Take To Receive The Holyspirit After Salvation? by Kobojunkie: 11:04pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
Shawl001:This is false information here. There is no such thing as instantaneous acquisition of the Holy Spirit. Again,the Spirit of God is Holy and it is only those who are become Sons of God, those who are Holy/Perfect vessels that He abides in , this because He cannot abide filthy vessels- John 8 vs 31 - 36. ![]() And who are those who are Sons of God? It is those who through continuous submission and obedience of the teachings(and commandments) of Jesus Christ are set free from slavery to sin and transformed into Sons of God. ![]() When you become born-again by gaining access through the Narrow Gate which leads to True-life, you transformation begins, and is likely to take years given most of us have to learn the Truth by wading through the lies we have already been satiated with since our birth. It took the disciples approximately 4 years, so be open to the process taking as long as it will take. ![]() |
Re: How Long Does It Take To Receive The Holyspirit After Salvation? by Kobojunkie: 11:06pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
Mikee19:I understand that I am deluded simply because i don't spew the same lies your pastors and mogs have fed you lot with. Yet not a single one of you has been able to prove me wrong by the Word of God Himself, Jesus Christ. What a shame, yet you call Him Savior! ![]() |
Re: How Long Does It Take To Receive The Holyspirit After Salvation? by Mikee19(m): 11:48pm On Jun 20, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Everyone pls watch while I demonstrate: Jesus Christ: I have many more things to tell u, but u are not yet able to understand them right now... In the very words of our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ, what he had left to finish to teach them was A) finished B) unfinished This is a very simple question. These are the very words of Jesus. Can u pls provide the very simple glaring answer to these words of Jesus today? Come on let's prove to the whole world that u aint deluded. Very simple proof right here and now ![]() |
Re: How Long Does It Take To Receive The Holyspirit After Salvation? by Kobojunkie: 12:22am On Jun 21, 2022 |
Mikee19:In John 16, the same Jesus Christ told you that the Helper whom He sends to you will take from that which is Him, Jesus Christ, God's Truth, to give to you. Meaning the Helper will in no way contradict nor violate God's Truth in whatever it is that He gives to you. Why? Because God's Word, and Law, is eternal, unchanging. Heaven and Earth will pass away but not a not of God's Word, Jesus Christ, will ever pass away or change in any way or form - Matthew 5 vs 15 - 17. The same Jesus Christ told you this Truth too. ![]() |
Re: How Long Does It Take To Receive The Holyspirit After Salvation? by Mikee19(m): 1:47am On Jun 21, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: yes I agree with that. The Holy Spirit, while doing that, has 2 COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ministeries, each of which again, is DISTINCT FROM THE OTHER! These are: 1) reminding them of what Jesus taught them on earth and 2) teaching them all things from Jesus he is meant to teach them! Notice again that these two are DISTINCT MINISTERIES, meaning that the second job of teaching them all things DOES NOT INCLUDE REMINDING THEM OF WHAT THINGS JESUS ALREADY SAID! This of necessity means this is teaching APART FROM THE THINGS JESUS ALREADY TAUGHT THEM ON EARTH! You would think this would be glaring enough, even to the blind! In fact, to butress this point, Jesus said the Spirit will show them things TO COME! This, by very definition, means BRAND NEW THINGS which are yet to occur! Not things already past. BRAND NEW, FUTURISTIC THINGS! Anyways back to my question. I put it to everyone that because she is deluded she will digress, sidestep, run up, run down, do EVERTHING ELSE except answer this exceedingly and glaringingly simple question. But I will love to be proven wrong by her (tho it's just wishful thinking...) Here again is that simple nusery 1 question for you: Everyone pls watch while I demonstrate: Jesus Christ: I have many more things to tell u, but u are not yet able to understand them right now... In the very words of our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ, what he had left to finish to teach them was A) finished B) unfinished This is a very simple question. These are the very words of Jesus. Can u pls provide the very simple glaring answer to these words of Jesus today? Come on let's prove to the whole world that u aint deluded. Very simple proof right here and now ![]() |
Re: How Long Does It Take To Receive The Holyspirit After Salvation? by Kobojunkie: 2:55am On Jun 21, 2022 |
Mikee19:Again, In John 16, the same Jesus Christ told you that the Helper whom He sends to you will take from that which is Him, Jesus Christ, God's Truth, to give to you. Meaning the Helper will in no way put forward ideas/teachings or rulings that directly or indirectly contradict/violate God's Truth, Jesus Christ, in all that He gives to you. Why? Because God's Word(Truth), and Law, is eternal, unchanging. Heaven and Earth will pass away but not a not jot of God's Word, Jesus Christ, will ever pass away or change in any way or form - Matthew 5 vs 15 - 17. The same Jesus Christ told you this Truth too. ![]() Allow what Jesus Christ taught sink in before you more forward to trying to create excuses for that which contradicts that which is the Truth of God, Jesus Christ. ![]() A good example of teachings or revelations which don't conflict or contradict the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ is found in the book of Revelations. Near nothing of what God detailed in there comes in direct conflict of any of that which is the Gospel. Look and compare those entries to what Jesus Christ taught and you can see how much of what is written is new revelation but at the same time does not make a liar of Jesus Christ. ![]() |
Re: How Long Does It Take To Receive The Holyspirit After Salvation? by Shawl001(m): 3:24am On Jun 21, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: You only want attention, that's all. |
Re: How Long Does It Take To Receive The Holyspirit After Salvation? by Kobojunkie: 3:25am On Jun 21, 2022 |
Shawl001:Look who's talking! ![]() |
Re: How Long Does It Take To Receive The Holyspirit After Salvation? by Shawl001(m): 3:29am On Jun 21, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Now, Can you read what you typed up there again...pls what are you trying to say? Your words don't even "sound" spirit-filled. They are just letters. I'm very sure you are not baptised of the Holy Ghost, talk less of accepting Jesus into your life. Pls, leave this charade of life you're portraying here and get a real life in Christ. Truly know Him. This thing you're doing here is beyond "cruise". You may end up confusing and misleading souls to hell. May God have mercy on you. |
Re: How Long Does It Take To Receive The Holyspirit After Salvation? by Kobojunkie: 3:32am On Jun 21, 2022 |
Shawl001:Again, This is false information here. There is no such thing as instantaneous acquisition of the Holy Spirit. Again,the Spirit of God is Holy and it is only those who are become Sons of God, those who are Holy/Perfect vessels that He abides in , this because He cannot abide filthy vessels- John 8 vs 31 - 36. ![]() And who are those who are Sons of God? It is those who through continuous submission and obedience of the teachings(and commandments) of Jesus Christ are set free from slavery to sin and transformed into Sons of God. ![]() When you become born-again by gaining access through the Narrow Gate which leads to True-life, you transformation begins, and is likely to take years given most of us have to learn the Truth by wading through the lies we have already been satiated with since our birth. It took the disciples approximately 4 years, so be open to the process taking as long as it will take. ![]() Don't mistake me in any manner for one of your many pastors and mogs who delude you with sweet sounding lies you mistake for "spirit-filled". Any teaching or rules that violate or contradict the teachings of Jesus Christ, no matter how sweet sounding, are not of God. ![]() |
Re: How Long Does It Take To Receive The Holyspirit After Salvation? by Shawl001(m): 3:34am On Jun 21, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Smiles# You seem to like this ( ![]() Well-done. |
Re: How Long Does It Take To Receive The Holyspirit After Salvation? by Kobojunkie: 3:35am On Jun 21, 2022 |
Shawl001:Again, This is false information here. There is no such thing as instantaneous acquisition of the Holy Spirit. Again,the Spirit of God is Holy and it is only those who are become Sons of God, those who are Holy/Perfect vessels that He abides in , this because He cannot abide filthy vessels- John 8 vs 31 - 36. ![]() And who are those who are Sons of God? It is those who through continuous submission and obedience of the teachings(and commandments) of Jesus Christ are set free from slavery to sin and transformed into Sons of God. ![]() When you become born-again by gaining access through the Narrow Gate which leads to True-life, you transformation begins, and is likely to take years given most of us have to learn the Truth by wading through the lies we have already been satiated with since our birth. It took the disciples approximately 4 years, so be open to the process taking as long as it will take. ![]() Don't mistake me in any manner for one of your many pastors and mogs who delude you with sweet sounding lies you mistake for "spirit-filled". Any teaching or rules that violate or contradict the teachings of Jesus Christ, no matter how sweet sounding, are not of God. ![]() |
Re: How Long Does It Take To Receive The Holyspirit After Salvation? by Mikee19(m): 4:27am On Jun 21, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Point duly noted. Thank u. Now answer this rather simple question once for all lets prove u arent delusional. (But she wont because she is...) Everyone pls watch while I demonstrate: Jesus Christ: I have many more things to tell u, but u are not yet able to understand them right now... In the very words of our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ, what he had left to finish to teach them was A) finished B) unfinished This is a very simple question. These are the very words of Jesus. Can u pls provide the very simple glaring answer to these words of Jesus today? Come on let's prove to the whole world that u aint deluded. Very simple proof right here and now |
Re: How Long Does It Take To Receive The Holyspirit After Salvation? by Kobojunkie: 4:36am On Jun 21, 2022 |
Mikee19:Again, In John 16, the same Jesus Christ told you that the Helper whom He sends to you will take from that which is Him, Jesus Christ, God's Truth, to give to you. Meaning the Helper will in no way put forward ideas/teachings or rulings that directly or indirectly contradict/violate God's Truth, Jesus Christ, in all that He gives to you. Why? Because God's Word(Truth), and Law, is eternal, unchanging. Heaven and Earth will pass away but not a not jot of God's Word, Jesus Christ, will ever pass away or change in any way or form - Matthew 5 vs 15 - 17. The same Jesus Christ told you this Truth too. ![]() Allow what Jesus Christ taught sink in before you more forward to trying to create excuses for that which contradicts that which is the Truth of God, Jesus Christ. ![]() A good example of teachings or revelations which don't conflict or contradict the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ is found in the book of Revelations. Near nothing of what God detailed in there comes in direct conflict of any of that which is the Gospel. Look and compare those entries to what Jesus Christ taught and you can see how much of what is written is new revelation but at the same time does not make a liar of Jesus Christ. ![]() Whatever you term His "unfinished" work must never be in conflict with that which He finished by His death on the cross for it is to be of Jesus Chris. This here is very simple. If it does not align with that which Jesus Christ already established, it means it is not of Jesus Christ. Come one, this isn't rocket science. The same basic ideas applied where God's Old Covenant and the prophets are concerned. The very same applies even with Jesus Christ, God's New Covenant Law and Truth in the Kingdom of God. No man can add, remove or change any of that which has already been decreed by Jesus Christ. Why that remains hard to understand is beyond me. ![]() |
Re: How Long Does It Take To Receive The Holyspirit After Salvation? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:30am On Jun 21, 2022 |
Right after the fall of Man God never dispense His Holy Spirit on people until pure worship was established in a nation known as "Israel" Numbers 11:25 WHY this? It was because God wanted to establish pure worship through that nation so that all other nations and tribes may be blessed through that nation that's what He promised Abraham! Genesis 12:1-3 So when talking about dispensing the Holy Spirit upon people the only reason God does this is to prove that He has approved the worship been practiced by a certain group of people! Joel 2:28 compare to Act 2:17-18 This means there's a purpose why God actually dispensed His Holy Spirit on people in mass. It has to do with the establishment of pure worship so if someone is not connected to pure worship through those ordained by God there's no way such a person can partake from this blessing! John 15:1-10 compare to Revelations 21:14 Today there are deceptive spirits everywhere and many has been enslaved by these spirits, the only way one can be certain that he/she is dealing with the right spirit is by carefully observing the produce of the religion he/she is connected to because God's Son said "By their FRUITS you will know them" {Matthew 7:16} each religion is like a tree planted by someone the one and only tree planted by the true God is the organization of Jesus Christ {John 15:1} all others were planted by Satan the devil {Matthew 13:25} so each religion has a kind of FRUIT it produces and it's only by a careful observation of this fruit that you can be certain of the type of spirit behind the religion. Matthew 7:16-18 But first what is the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit that's expected of the only true religion? ![]() |
Re: How Long Does It Take To Receive The Holyspirit After Salvation? by Mikee19(m): 7:23am On Jun 21, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Maybe I wasnt clear enough. For avoidance of doubt, YES, I DO AGREE, THEY ARENT TO CONTRADICT Now answer my question in very clear terms too, to leave no room for doubt... Jesus Christ: I have many more things to tell u, but u are not yet able to understand them right now... In the very words of our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ, what he had left to finish to teach them was A) finished B) unfinished Did Jesus finish teaching everything he had to teach while in his earthly ministry? A simple yes or no will suffice! |
Re: How Long Does It Take To Receive The Holyspirit After Salvation? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:04am On Jun 21, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: A tree has two things: GIFTS and FRUIT What are the GIFTS? A tree may be tall, thick, strong, it's leaves may be wide and shady so people can hide under it during the heat of the day, it's leaves may also be good for herbs to cure illness, all these are just the GIFTS of a tree and there are several trees in the forest having these GIFTS. But the FRUIT of a tree is just one kind that no other tree can produce, for instance only a mango tree can produce mango so anywhere you see mango know that it's either the tree is somewhere around that vicinity or transported there no other tree can produce mango! The same is applicable to religions. Spirit beings are the supernatural forces behind each religion so supernatural GIFTS are found in all kinds of religion. But then what about the FRUIT? After Jesus has talked extensively about false religions he concluded by saying "by their FRUITS you will IDENTIFY them" Matthew 7:16 So what type of FRUIT is expected of pure worship? Since each spirit claims to be God {1Corinthians 8:5} but they're dealing with imperfect humans demons (fallen angels) can't help in getting these imperfect humans to stop the practice of what the flesh craves for {Galatians 5:19-21} so even though we all know that imperfect humans are born with sinful nature and each of us is fighting really hard to put away the old personality {Romans 7:15-25 compare to Ephesians 4:22} demons can't help but keep demanding worship from their worshipers, all the works of the flesh will be PROMOTED among their worshipers. But what about the gathering where God's Holy Spirit is ministering? Despite the fact that it's imperfect humans that are gathered and each is fighting really hard with their sinful nature the organization itself will be noticed globally as a group promoting the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit! Galatians 5:22-23 So it's not about individuals but what each religion is able to produce everywhere they are! ![]() 1 Like |
Re: How Long Does It Take To Receive The Holyspirit After Salvation? by Kobojunkie: 11:07am On Jun 21, 2022 |
Mikee19:It is pretty obvious from the Inane question you continue to ask that you don't. ![]() So, again, In John 16, the same Jesus Christ told you that the Helper whom He sends to you will take from that which is Him, Jesus Christ, God's Truth, to give to you. Meaning the Helper will in no way put forward ideas/teachings or rulings that directly or indirectly contradict/violate God's Truth, Jesus Christ, in all that He gives to you. Why? Because God's Word(Truth), and Law, is eternal, unchanging. Heaven and Earth will pass away but not a not jot of God's Word, Jesus Christ, will ever pass away or change in any way or form - Matthew 5 vs 15 - 17. The same Jesus Christ told you this Truth too. ![]() Allow what Jesus Christ taught sink in before you more forward to trying to create excuses for that which contradicts that which is the Truth of God, Jesus Christ. ![]() A good example of teachings or revelations which don't conflict or contradict the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ is found in the book of Revelations. Near nothing of what God detailed in there comes in direct conflict of any of that which is the Gospel. Look and compare those entries to what Jesus Christ taught and you can see how much of what is written is new revelation but at the same time does not make a liar of Jesus Christ. ![]() Whatever you term His "unfinished" work must never be in conflict with that which He finished by His death on the cross for it is to be of Jesus Chris. This here is very simple. If it does not align with that which Jesus Christ already established, it means it is not of Jesus Christ. Come one, this isn't rocket science. The same basic ideas applied where God's Old Covenant and the prophets are concerned. The very same applies even with Jesus Christ, God's New Covenant Law and Truth in the Kingdom of God. No man can add, remove or change any of that which has already been decreed by Jesus Christ. Why that remains hard to understand is beyond me. ![]() |
Re: How Long Does It Take To Receive The Holyspirit After Salvation? by immaculatesense(m): 10:24pm On Jun 21, 2022 |
Kobojunkie:Dear kobojunkie I always wonder what Bible u read or maybe u don't even read d Bible at all...cos I don't understand u.. u said...one cannot receive the holy spirit the same day he got save...what happened with Conelius and his family in Acts of the Apostles 10:44-45,47-48 [44]Even as Peter was saying these things, the Holy Spirit fell upon all who were listening to the message. [45]The Jewish believers who came with Peter were amazed that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles, too. [47]“Can anyone object to their being baptized, now that they have received the Holy Spirit just as we did?” [48]So he gave orders for them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Afterward Cornelius asked him to stay with them for several days. U always rush to comment |
Re: How Long Does It Take To Receive The Holyspirit After Salvation? by immaculatesense(m): 10:29pm On Jun 21, 2022 |
Mikee19:Dear Mikee19 I guess @kobojunkie only believes in the four gospels (Matthew,Mark,Luke and John)... precisely only wat Jesus says wen he was on earth... anything else doesn't matter to him... Just keep that in mind when u av a conversation with him |
Re: How Long Does It Take To Receive The Holyspirit After Salvation? by immaculatesense(m): 10:44pm On Jun 21, 2022 |
Harshirama:Dear Harshirama I was reading this ur write-up and it looked as though I was reading my own write up...I av never seen a person write in a way that conveys my total thought...I don't need to write on it anymore...u wrote exactly wat I would have,the way I would have...without mincing words... God bless u... |
Re: How Long Does It Take To Receive The Holyspirit After Salvation? by Kobojunkie: 10:50pm On Jun 21, 2022 |
immaculatesense:https://www.nairaland.com/7176046/what-it-cost-me-believe#113781853 |
Re: How Long Does It Take To Receive The Holyspirit After Salvation? by immaculatesense(m): 11:03pm On Jun 21, 2022 |
Dtruthspeaker:Dear Dtruthspeaker I believe u av only considered Act 2 without considering Act 10 amongst others...Read Acts of the Apostles 10:44-45,47-48 [44]Even as Peter was saying these things, the Holy Spirit fell upon all who were listening to the message. [45]The Jewish believers who came with Peter were amazed that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles, too. [47]“Can anyone object to their being baptized, now that they have received the Holy Spirit just as we did?” [48]So he gave orders for them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Afterward Cornelius asked him to stay with them for several days. Ephesians 1:13 [13]And now you Gentiles have also heard the truth, the Good News that God saves you. And when you believed in Christ, he identified you as his own by giving you the Holy Spirit, whom he promised long ago. 2 Corinthians 1:22 [22]and he has identified us as his own by placing the Holy Spirit in our hearts as the first installment that guarantees everything he has promised us. One more thing...no one can be holy by his/herself...such holiness(if there is anything like that anyways) is not acceptable before God...it is the Holy Spirit that makes man holy...when he comes into ur life...he radiates it and make the life of a believer easier for u...he is our helper in that part to God's holiness.. 1 Corinthians 6:11 [11]Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. Galatians 3:2 [2]Let me ask you this one question: Did you receive the Holy Spirit by obeying the law of Moses? Of course not! You received the Spirit because you believed the message you heard about Christ. Bottom Line... You DON'T become HOLY before the arrival of the HOLY SPIRIT... The HOLY SPIRIT makes you HOLY wen he comes and take charge of ur life. That is his job...to make us holy and guarantee us eternal life. This is a True and Worthy saying |
Re: How Long Does It Take To Receive The Holyspirit After Salvation? by Harshirama(m): 11:18am On Jun 22, 2022 |
immaculatesense: Wow. Thanks a lot. God bless you too sir |
Re: How Long Does It Take To Receive The Holyspirit After Salvation? by Dtruthspeaker: 12:33pm On Jun 22, 2022 |
immaculatesense: Even these verses you provided clearly state what I am saying. Then Acts 10:2 clearly shows the type of life Cornelius was already living and the type of man he was long before God Moved and gave him Holy Spirit. immaculatesense: I did not say a person becomes holy by themselves nevertheless, as The Lord hath Commanded, "Be ye holy" therefore, I know that a person can do those which are pleasing in the eyes of The Lord, like Cornelius, David before his errors, Joseph, Noah etc which is what I advocate. |
Re: How Long Does It Take To Receive The Holyspirit After Salvation? by immaculatesense(m): 5:09pm On Jun 22, 2022 |
Dtruthspeaker:Dear Dtruthspeaker Like I asked again...av u being reading the scriptures at all? You said Cornelius was already holy because he was a good man?...wen is bn a good man translate to Holiness that God requires...okay let me not fight u on that... Let me ask u again Were the whole crowd in Samaria also holy wen d holy spirit came upon dem at conversion? Carefully Read Acts of the Apostles 8:5-6,17 [5]Philip, for example, went to the city of Samaria and told the people there about the Messiah. [6]Crowds listened intently to Philip because they were eager to hear his message and see the miraculous signs he did. [17]Then Peter and John laid their hands upon these believers, and they received the Holy Spirit. Were they also Holy before they could receive the holy spirit?..all of them? 1 Like |
Re: How Long Does It Take To Receive The Holyspirit After Salvation? by immaculatesense(m): 5:09pm On Jun 22, 2022 |
Harshirama:Amen...you are great sir 1 Like |
Re: How Long Does It Take To Receive The Holyspirit After Salvation? by Dtruthspeaker: 6:11pm On Jun 22, 2022 |
immaculatesense: I did not say so o. I said "Acts 10:2 clearly SHOWS THE TYPE OF LIFE CORNELIUS WAS ALREADY LIVING AND THE TYPE OF MAN HE WAS long before God Moved and gave him Holy Spirit. immaculatesense: Surely it is clear that God requires people "to do the good according to what He hath Commanded" and not the evil. Deuteronomy 6:18 And Acts 10:2 shows Cornelly ticking them. And we do not see him doing any wrong or evil thing. That is my point! I am not the judge of holiness but certainly doing wrongs and unrightness does not lead to holiness, that one I can say. immaculatesense: Verse 6 tells you "they gave heed" and verse 13 shows you good time had passed before God Again Moved, and made the apostles act in Verse 14 and 15. And as you see, unholy Simon was cut off. And lo what was Peter's answer to him? "thy heart is not right in the Sight of God" .Acts 8:21 Verse 22 shows that he was in wickedness and in iniquity. So clearly, the others who got The Holy Spirit were guiltless. |
Re: How Long Does It Take To Receive The Holyspirit After Salvation? by immaculatesense(m): 9:52pm On Jun 22, 2022 |
Dtruthspeaker:Dear Dtruthspeaker Your not being sincere...wat led to this discussion was wen u opine sat one must be holy before one can receive the holy spirit...but I like others told u that there is no time frame...it requires salvation and faith. Firstly u talk about good works of Cornelius...yes but he needs salvation to be saved because a good house without a foundation is useless... Christ being the only foundation...any good works built on such foundation is filthy not holy...Read Isaiah 64:6a [6]We are all infected and impure with sin. When we display our righteous deeds, they are nothing but filthy rags. Can u see that Cornelius was not holy before salvation but after salvation...cos "Justification is by faith,not by good works" but works compliment faith...but good works means nothing without the foundation of faith. Secondly,u talked about the Samarian people and Simon...now let me explain that passage to u...but first read on Saul/Paul's conversation in Acts of the Apostles 9:17 [17]So Ananias went and found Saul. He laid his hands on him and said, “Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road, has sent me so that you might regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.” Can u see,Paul a murderer and a persecutor of the church received the Holy Spirit the same day he believed...let me retrate again... Salvation and Faith is the requirements for the Holy Spirit...once He comes, He parterns and shapens our lives in a way that means the "righteous requirement of the Lord". Read Romans 8:2,4 [2]And because you belong to him, the power of the life-giving Spirit has freed you from the power of sin that leads to death. [4]He did this so that the just requirement of the law would be fully satisfied for us, who no longer follow our sinful nature but instead follow the Spirit. Now back to Act 8 (Samarian crowd and Simon the magician) The Bible did not tell us the number of days it took the Samarians to receive the holy spirit but the Bible said immediately Peter and John arrived... IMMEDIATELY (note the requirement that made the Church send Peter and John was that the Samarians BELIEVED and ACCEPT the gospel) Acts of the Apostles 8:14-15 [14]When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that the people of Samaria had accepted God’s message, they sent Peter and John there. [15]As soon as they arrived, they prayed for these new believers to receive the Holy Spirit. Now on Simon... You said something very important but u don't understand wat it means...u said "the heart is not right in the sight of God".The question is wat does that statement means and wat does it mean to be right with God". Read and learn sir...Read Romans 3:22 [22]We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ. And this is true for everyone who believes, no matter who we are. Now without reasonable argument,u can see with bn right with God means and wat Simon lacked Simon did not receive the holy spirit because he did not have faith (this is important,there is a difference between to believe and to have faith)...that was why,when others were receiving the holy spirit,he was left out and he wanted to Lobby(pay) to buy the holy spirit. Remember the holy spirit knows the heart of every man. Conclusion All u have to do is to believe in the name of the Lord just and have faith that the Person of the Holy Spirit is for you and ur children (i.e generations to come). Read careful this most important and first teaching on the holy spirit by Peter. Read Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39 [38]Peter replied, “Each of you must repent of your sins and turn to God, and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. Then you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. [39]This promise is to you, to your children, and to those far away—all who have been called by the Lord our God.” God bless u |
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