Maynman:


God or god which ever way you’ve been conditioned to write it, is a TITLE not a PERSON, so which among the gods are you talking about?

gods of Ogun, Sango, Obatala, Aiyelala and Esu Odara exist. If you doubt it, ask their worshippers that what is their abominations, then do it. We will meet on the judgement day when you will tell me how the story ended.

For the God of all other gods, that is our Father in Heaven, He is so Merciful, that He will always forgive you because He loves you.

Maynman:


But the Bible and Quran makes sense to religious people, are you using the same parameters to judge both?

That post was written wrongly and in a haste, I'll change a bit then maybe you'll understand where I'm coming from.

naija4life247:


gods of Ogun, Sango, Obatala, Aiyelala and Esu Odara exist. If you doubt it, ask their worshippers that what is their abominations, then do it. We will meet on the judgement day when you will tell me how the story ended.

For the God of all other gods, that is our Father in Heaven, He is so Merciful, that He will always forgive you because He loves you.

Ooh, out of all the deities, it’s your own deity that’s right, and that’s Yahweh right?
And it is Yahweh judgment day we will go to not allah day? Or hades, brother of Zeus?

sinkhole:
Na dat one shock you?
OK, what of the fact the Cain married from people that came out of nowhere

See it here:
And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

The Bible skipped many details for reasons known. These details included the growing up of some characters, the specific number of children, the number of years when something took place. Though not all but some... For example, the Bible never told us the developmental stage of Adam when he was formed by God, i.e, we were never told if he was formed to the teen level, youth level or adult stage. We assume he was formed straight into the adult stage. Also, the Bible never specified how long Adam and Even spent in Eden before eating from the tree which caused their downfall. These are just some of the details that were skipped, probably the need to include them was not necessary.

However, the assumption seems to be that Cain and Abel were the first two children of Adam and Eve. Although Cain does seem to be the firstborn, the text is not clear that Abel was the second born, but only that he was the second son. Later, the narrative indicates that Adam and Eve produced "other sons and daughters." So, it is possible that Adam and Eve produced daughters between the births of Cain and Abel. It is also likely that others sons and daughters were produced after the birth of Abel. We don't know how old Cain and Abel were when Cain murdered his brother because that part was also skipped as many other parts in the Bible, but they seem to be at least young adults, since they are both engage in a trade for their living.

The second thing one notices is Cain's seeming paranoia about being found and revenge being taken against his for killing Abel. The only way this makes sense is if the brothers and sisters of Abel were upset that Cain had killed their brother (you could remember that he was scared that Abel might be avenged). Although the period of time between the birth of Cain and the death of Abel is not given in the Bible, it would seem that this period was probably over 100 years, since the birth of Adam's next son, Seth is said to have occurred when Adam was 130 years old. Adam and Eve could have produced many daughters during that period of time.

So, the Genesis narrative suggests that Cain had other brothers and sisters when he was exiled by God. One of those sisters married Cain (or more likely had already been married to Cain when he killed his brother), became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch somewhere east of Eden. The next problem that arises is the claim that Cain "built a city." To us, in the 21st century, this evokes images of skyscrapers and high density housing. However, the original Hebrew word, translated "city," merely had the meaning of a place that was guarded by a watch or with a wall. At its minimum, the Hebrew root referred to an encampment or post. So, it is entirely possible that Cain could have built such a "city."

Skeptics have pointed out that the only viable solution to the problem of Cain's wife (Cain marrying his sister) suffers from theological problems, since close relations were not allowed to marry according to Jewish law. However, all of these events happened before the law was given. According to the Apostle Paul, when there is no law, there can be no violation of the law or sin. So, since the law against incest was not given until thousands of years later, there was no theological problem with Cain marrying his sister.

Just like Cain took one of his sisters for a wife, it would have been possible that the other sons did the same and made for themselves a settlement which was described as a 'city' in the Bible. Just like I pointed out above, the 'city', according to Jewish traditions them, was a settlement of people which is fenced or properly defended from outsiders. So it could be right to say that was the say thing the Bible referred to but the use of the word 'city' is wrongly rendered, obviously, because it does not project the proper mental image of a city in our minds.

Conclusively, inbreeding was not condemned until thousands of years later after the laws were made, and that best explain how the descendants of Adam were able to multiply.


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Ferdinandu:
Though not atheist but I have really lost interest in religion after understuying various religion and come to realise that they are just tools for some people to control and take over the lives of others

Exactly like studying many courses will definitely make you lost!

Cypress042:


Mr, to be an athiest is a choice and you should that.

So don't try to bring your irradical and irraditional thoughts here. Get sense na

Well
I wouldn't blame him
The concept of religion is base on fraud and mental slavery (I'm opened to be corrected)
I believe we all have no idea about God and the reason for our existence
It is said that God is not in peace with the devil
Like how many devil do we have for real
Of what purpose is all the other planet is to our existence
Do we really need to cry,scream on top of our voices, go sobber, or talk to someone we perceive as a spiritual leader before we have access to some certain blessings from God who knows our needs and wants
There's a lot of contradictions I would love to share

LienwaltAbel:

The big bang theory is a goddamned theory man. Like it is just speculation with a few half arsed truths. The only people who believe that trash are fedora wearing atheists, the annoying ones that see every opportunity to insult religious people.

It's a theory informed by our current understanding of the nature of the Universe.
I prefer this theory because it makes logical sense (albeit could be proven wrong at some point when our understanding of nature evolves). It's brought to you by the same thinking that explains stars, gravity, elecromagnetism, etc.

Funny, the phrase "let there be light" matches the Big Bang, and somehow I wonder if scientists are the current way God explains things to people. It was hard to explain in the book of Genesis, but now that people have a more sophisticated understanding, the phenomena are being explained better. It would be amusing to find the Big Bang in a revised bible 3,000 years from now.

Maynman:


That’s the definition of ATHEISM which is the opposite of THEISM.

It’s common sense.

The point about pointless arguments is they end up pointless.
There really is no point to this is there?

aribisala0:

The point about pointless arguments is they end up pointless.
There really is no point to this is there?

You are ignorant of what “theism” and “atheism” is.
Learn that first.

And among the types of theism I suspect you are a monolatrist

Atheism is the first spiritual awakening. It is a moment of mindful reflection that will help you understand and answer the constant debates your common sense have been having on the God subject.

ajekpaks:



It's mostly made up...

In the beginning Man created God...

And the Atheists interpret it this way ....IN THE BEGINNING ITS JUST HAPPEN ?

Dtruthspeaker:


Asking endless questions tends to that most especially in your quest at endless questions, you fall into the depths of stupidity where none can pull you out from.

And then it is from that place of stupidity that you people speak from.

My dear, I assure you, that's not how it feels. It feels like a depth of freedom and previlege. And gratitude to God, or whoever, lol.

Dtruthspeaker:


Exactly like studying many courses will definitely make you lost!

The analogy is not same thing.

Ferdinandu:
The analogy is not same thing.

It is! Just say you can not counter!

Dtruthspeaker:

Why shouldn't He?
And besides, it is, as it is!
Utter rubbish! Look at Genesis 6, do you not see how shocked God was that you people are so very wicked?

If a person creates a thing that kills people, we condemn that person. God made wicked people, and we just have to accept it?

But let's be rational: neither of us is going to change their opinion; neither of us really knows the truth, even though we may strongly believe in our positions. I can't accept your use of the Bible to prove the existence of God, any more than I can accept sacred texts from the Egyptians or Mayans. In turn, you can't accept that your Bible is not the source of truth, and all you think you know has been written in it's pages.

Let's chill out, have a beer, and try to enjoy the life we have. It's the only thing we know for sure.

nextstep:


It's a theory informed by our current understanding of the nature of the Universe.
I prefer this theory because it makes logical sense (albeit could be proven wrong at some point when our understanding of nature evolves). It's brought to you by the same thinking that explains stars, gravity, elecromagnetism, etc.

Funny, the phrase "let there be light" matches the Big Bang, and somehow I wonder if scientists are the current way God explains things to people. It was hard to explain in the book of Genesis, but now that people have a more sophisticated understanding, the phenomena are being explained better. It would be amusing to find the Big Bang in a revised bible 3,000 years from now.

It's not really the same reasoning that explains stars. It simply talks about the expansion of the universe from a random explosion (my layman way of understanding it). Moreover, at heart, it's a theory. I can assure you that it will be phased out sooner or later.

ajekpaks:

Exactly, Religion is man's attempt at explaining his existence, therefore they invent stories according to the history of their origins...
World powers after conquering colonies impose their system of worship on them and just as in our case in Nigeria, the Christian and Islamic missionaries imposing their diverging ways on us but because it was gift wrapped with education and so called civilization we became trapped...

Very eloquently said!

Until I have a spiritual experience for Any god from any religion, I'll keep being an atheist

LienwaltAbel:

It's not really the same reasoning that explains stars. It simply talks about the expansion of the universe from a random explosion (my layman way of understanding it). Moreover, at heart, it's a theory. I can assure you that it will be phased out sooner or later.

Yes it is a theory. I say the same reasoning because understanding why stars burn (and can turn to supernovae), coupled with the fact that the Universe is still expanding (and cooling), leads one to theory of a single point. I also think it's open to change (or could just be plain wrong), but it's quite compelling.

Snitch24:

Well
I wouldn't blame him
The concept of religion is base on fraud and mental slavery (I'm opened to be corrected)
I believe we all have no idea about God and the reason for our existence
It is said that God is not in peace with the devil
Like how many devil do we have for real
Of what purpose is all the other planet is to our existence
Do we really need to cry,scream on top of our voices, go sobber, or talk to someone we perceive as a spiritual leader before we have access to some certain blessings from God who knows our needs and wants
There's a lot of contradictions I would love to share

Is your thought though, every human is entitled to their own opinion and believe. I don't want to push further on this

Maynman:


lol, you don’t know what “theist” and “atheist” mean.

Out of all the deities, only Yahweh was the one that interested you?

You're getting me wrong. Before most atheists became what they are, they would ve probably searched and tried different medium , researched on various ideologies to arrive at a conclusion, logical to them, that there isn't or aren't superior beings as origins or influencers of life.
I am a theist. An arrogant one, not an agnostic ( what I used to be as a Church goer before I did my researches to arrive at what I am and have right now) .
And why I chose Yahweh?
That's because HE'S like the Sun that's a pivotal Truth. Irrespective of your location or what you believe, you can see it reflect in your sky, whether obscured or vivid.
I researched on different religious scripts, on Bhuddism, Taoism and the Religions tied to Abrahamic beliefs. Only three of these all turned out to be most dominating in the world's history. Islam, Judaism and Christianity. Only these three have compatibility with science discoveries and are quite ahead of it.
Don't ask me how I narrowed it down to one.
Religious space is the last place I'll wanna pick an argument.

Karnice600:


You're getting me wrong. Before most atheists became what they are, they would ve probably searched and tried different medium , researched on various ideologies to arrive at a conclusion, logical to them, that there isn't or aren't superior beings as origins or influencers of life.
I am a theist. An arrogant one, not an agnostic ( what I used to be as a Church goer before I did my researches to arrive at what I am and have right now) .
And why I chose Yahweh?
That's because HE'S like the Sun that's a pivotal Truth. Irrespective of your location or what you believe, you can see it reflect in your sky, whether obscured or vivid.
I researched on different religious scripts, on Bhuddism, Taoism and the Religions tied to Abrahamic beliefs. Only three of these all turned out to be most dominating in the world's history. Islam, Judaism and Christianity. Only these three have compatibility with science discoveries and are quite ahead of it.
Don't ask me how I narrowed it down to one.
Religious space is the last place I'll wanna pick an argument.

Theist means you BELIEVE in god/gods, when you go further to WORSHIP a belief you fall in these categories.
Im afraid you are a proud monolatrist.

Maynman:


You are ignorant of what “theism” and “atheism” is.
Learn that first.

And among the types of theism I suspect you are a monolatrist

No I am not ignorant there is not one United Nations approved definition rather there are several depending on which dictionary you open
Some citations cite it as
DISBELIEF
whilst other cite it as
UNBELIEF
and some dictionaries actually cite agnostic as a synonym of atheist.

Just so we do not derail and unnecessarily widen to other argument this thread is about Atheist . So let us not get into theism and atheism but stick to Atheist which is a personified noun just like Agnostic

The simple truth is that there is more than one dictionary definition and all you need to do is do a Google search for a SYNONYM for ATHEIST you will find AGNOSTIC. The distinction is splitting hairs and often does not exist in reality

There is no point to this though ,just self indulgence . Let us not derail the thread
Do not be in a rush to go around calling people ignorant. Look in the mirror and be mindful of the limits of what you think you know

nextstep:


Yes it is a theory. I say the same reasoning because understanding why stars burn, and the fact that the Universe is still expanding, leads one to theory of a single point. I also think it's open to change (or could just be plain wrong), but it's quite compelling.

You might be a physicist, or ahead of me in amassing such knowledge so I can't fault you on that man. However, the universe is strange and frightening. The worse is when you start thinking seriously about things like death and if there is an afterlife.

Dtruthspeaker:
Because they thought that God was their personal Wishmaster!

So when He did not listen to them, they got angry and revenged saying "since you did not answer me, I will never answer you again. In fact I won't talk to you again. And I am sure that if I don't talk to you it would pain you".

So, they are just people who have seen that God has been them away.

Thus, this is them trying to revenge against God by saying all types of rubbish.

lol see person thought, the truth is, you religious folks are not open minded. Y'all mind is sealed up .

aribisala0:
No I am not there is not one United Nations approved definitions
Some citations cite it as
DISBELIEF
whilst other cite it as
UNBELIEF
and some dictionaries actually cite agnostic as a synonym of atheist.

Just so we do not derail and unnecessarily widen to other argument this thread is about Atheist . So let us not get into theism and atheism but stick to Atheist which is a personified noun just like Agnostic

The simple truth is that there is more than one dictionary definition and all you need to do is do a Google search for a SYNONYM for ATHEIST you will find AGNOSTIC. The distinction is splitting hairs and often does not exist in reality

There is no point to this though ,just self indulgence . Let us not derail the thread
Do not be in a rush to go around calling people ignorant. Look in the mirror and be mindful of the limits of what you think you know

“United nations approved” what?
You think you are talking to your fellow sheeps?

Post the links to all your false claim Chrestian.

Where does the origin of the word “atheism” and “theism” comes from?

Cypress042:


Mr, to be an athiest is a choice and you should that.

So don't try to bring your irradical and irraditional thoughts here. Get sense na

Bro i dey find your hand for here to shake you... Stretch am nah.. Abi u dey form for me..

Dtruthspeaker:


Simon the sorcerer wished the same and was even ready to buy it. But, no be so!

have you read other source material about Simon the so called sorcerer?

sinkhole:
What you're saying in essence is that not everything that happened was recorded in the Bible, that we could supplement Bible?

I hope you read this:
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Revelation 22:18 KJV

Not every word in the bible is a "prophecy"
Goodluck believing wat u believe
But for people like me that have seen the hand of God I won't leave my faith for anything

Wetin bring Ring Road enter here na? Later, you go say na uselu, na third, na aduwawa.

Dtruthspeaker:


See, Proof of madness! Exactly what that mad man in ring road said "in the beginning the phone made the man..."

Being alive is enough!!!

I wrote this!!!