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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Stormtrooper11(m): 10:50pm On Jul 01, 2022 |
MiddleDimension: Personally, in an all out war. Let's say Nigeria is involved in a war with a neighbor and Nigeria is in a dire need of air superiority fighters for the Airforce. The F16s won't even be in the conversation. I understand that single fighters are cheaper to maintain but single engine fighters are a no-no for me in this scenario. Don't get me wrong, the F16 is my favorite aircraft. I like its bubble canopy. However, with the international politics around our best bet would be the Su-35s. It's supermanuverable. I'm aware it operates a PESA radar. Some debates say PESA radars are outdated but I don't buy that. The F15s are one of those fighters with the highest success rates in the world. It's tested but the strings attached to the purchase of these aircrafts would be a big hindrance to us. So, I'll choose the Su-35 because it has enough payload, a quality engine and radar, no limits or strings attached to the purchase, range and maneuverability. 3 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by davefurn: 10:51pm On Jul 01, 2022 |
Stormtrooper11:Was iraq proactively sponsored by china and russian just like in vietnam |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Stormtrooper11(m): 10:52pm On Jul 01, 2022 |
jl115: When you mean powerful, you mean soft power I think. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Stormtrooper11(m): 10:54pm On Jul 01, 2022 |
davefurn: Are you aware that Iraq had the 3rd strongest armed forces in the world in the year 2003?! But was torn into bits by the United States within few months?! If the United States invaded Ukraine today like Russia did, we would had been talking about how to execute Zelensky right now |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by davefurn: 11:08pm On Jul 01, 2022 |
Stormtrooper11:Strongest is different from largest, take note..... And it was 1990 that saddam hussein boosted iraqi army to be the 4th largest land army in the world. Simple recruiting can do that. Not only that, not just the us army fought the war, with nato inclusive notwithstanding, no foreign super-power tier supporting iraq because then soviet union collapsed that's 1990. 3 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Stormtrooper11(m): 11:26pm On Jul 01, 2022 |
davefurn: So...what's your point now?! |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by davefurn: 11:30pm On Jul 01, 2022 |
Stormtrooper11: Just some.little corrections that's all..... Russia had their bad days, US also had that...... You can't compare iraqi war with us, which was just simple crushing in terms of equipments because no matter how you destroy us equipment, they simply make more; that's now terrifying fighting a superpower is but you on the other hand need to buy more unless you have another big nation backing you up just like in Ukraine situation inwhich the whole nato and EU is supporting them. Zelensky knew the trick, so he went round asking for help. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by davefurn: 11:59pm On Jul 01, 2022 |
Even in that 1991. Iraq was just a scape-goat for US to establish their power after Soviet Union collapse and the embarrassing defeat of vietnam redemption, inwhich you see it hyped on hollywood. 2003 US invasion, is not even a war; Russian tanks t-64 to t-74 series tanks being blown up, what do you expect, Soviet are in favour of being large amount of light weight tanks in favour of heavy weight. Western tanks analogy is to have a heavy tanks as the vanguard but different from soviet doctrine that believes in a quantity is far better than quality in tanks and land warfare. Like towards the end of the ww2 before nuking japan; inwhich the us used their large amount of aircraft carriers to crush japanese 2 aircraft carriers after a suffocating loss from them,beginning of ww2 because of japan superior carriers then. That's quantity over quality that influenced the soviet and then Stalin ideology. He mass produced light weight tanks with cheap technology; so most soviet tanks are not as durable as the western/german tanks. If you want to judge the war, just it from 2 povs. Russia just barely recovered from soviet union collapse, we keep watching though. And defeating US, you can't use military to defeat US; just cut off their money and you have defeated them that's why US frowns heavily on anything against dollars sovereignty. Forgive my grammatical errors, not well now; so my typing is sloppy. 2 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by jl115: 12:06am On Jul 02, 2022 |
Stormtrooper11:no I mean in terms of military, politics and economically they were powerful in the 80s 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by JOSCOFELIX: 7:28am On Jul 02, 2022 |
Stormtrooper11:Iraq was not equip like Ukraine. First USA and EU sanctions Iraq which stop the procurement of part for there aircraft, another Iraq was not support by any country especially in arm |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by MiddleDimension: 10:50am On Jul 02, 2022 |
Stormtrooper11: The US is this strong yet, they took 7months to defeat libya's pooly equiped military! The Nato campaign started in march and Ghadaffi got killed in october. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 11:23am On Jul 02, 2022 |
Stormtrooper11: Yes, Ugandan MI-28N considerably provide more than the AH-1Z which Nigeria would be getting from the US. The Ugandan Air Force would be able to use their MI-28N as they please without any restrictions, while for nearly 1 billion dollars, Nigeria might not even be able to use the AH-1Z Viper against Bandits. While Nigeria gets laser guided Rockets (APKWS) which is an amazing system and works effectively against armoured vehicles including Tanks, it is not an ATGM. So that's also an edge for Uganda. All things considered, Uganda got a better deal. Notwithstanding, Nigeria also has MI-35M helicopters armed with ATAKA ATGMs, also we have the possibility of upgrading our MI-35ps to the latest MI-35m standards. Although a big "?" At this stage considering the war in Ukraine. 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 11:25am On Jul 02, 2022 |
Omofaye99: It's not a question of might, warfare is not equipment, equipment helps, but tactics is more important. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 11:26am On Jul 02, 2022 |
Covert1: Excellent post. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 11:31am On Jul 02, 2022 |
Covert1: Another excellent post. However I will go for the latest iteration of the F-15 over the latest iteration of the SU-35. Americans generally build better aircrafts, with better avionics than Russians. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Covert1: 11:38am On Jul 02, 2022 |
RiceProducers: That's arguable in favor of Russia. There's been no real dogfights, none was expected and any purported air-air engagement Russia prevailed convincingly. The Su-27s that made contact with enemy ground fire or air defense systems were flown very low not at altitude and attrition was extremely low, in fact the Russians continue to make those low flights with planes and helicopters. Ukraine has lost its airspace irretrievably. Russian gear especially in Russian hands or say any intelligent armed forces like the Nigerians works excellently just like western weapons. No one should underestimate the impact of western weapons supply to Ukraine though limited in the overall scheme of things it has popped up one surprise here or there which of course the Russians find and destroy. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Covert1: 11:43am On Jul 02, 2022 |
kabe1: No doubt but the politics is irritating for a regional power like Nigeria, its a no go no go. Except of course we redefine and recalibrate our domestic and foreign policy and Nigerians being extremely proud people I don't see that happening now or the future. I think a mixture of things works, an F-15 here an SU-35 there. This has worked well for Nigeria previously. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 11:47am On Jul 02, 2022 |
lionel4power: With the war in Ukraine, despite some failings of the Russian military, they continue to advance and conquer territory. while Ukraine has performed exceptionally well against the Russians, it heavily relies on Western military support; if the plug were pulled, it is likely that Ukraine would have been overrun. The West continues to support Ukraine to the tune of 5-7 billion USD a month. The West has better Air systems than Russia, but we've seen the Russians deploy many breakthrough systems in Ukraine. I don't see how Russian fighter jets will compare against comparable Western Fighters, the gap is quite significant more so in the air to ground role. Russia in many cases bombing targets with advanced SU-30sm fighter jets like the Nigerian Air Force using Alpha Jets. The lack of investment in laser guided systems, and similar JDAM kits by the Russians, a lack of investment in considerable number of UCAVs are showing glaringly. Apart from the KA-52 and SU-25, I doubt Russian aircrafts can compare favourably to their American analogues. 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 11:48am On Jul 02, 2022 |
JOSCOFELIX: This is also a fair point, but Western aircrafts rarely depend on dumb bombs. This is an advantage to Western aircrafts. Russian EW systems are excellent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l40nEBqbXFI |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Toju200(m): 12:02pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
kabe1:either Serbia or Czech will run the upgrade for us Plus it's the Mi24 variants in PH that are set out for upgrade... Maybe paramount would do the upgrade |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Covert1: 12:02pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
MiddleDimension: Good detailed analysis, lot of work. This alternative point view of the war existed though with some here already. If you see Russia built in the context of war with NATO then it's no gainsaying Ukraine will bite the dust. I repeat again Zelensky should be brought out and given a good spanking for succumbing to NATO pressure to use his kinsmen as cannon fodder for their own national interests and not signing on the dotted lines of neutrality. 200 Ukrainian soldiers dead a day are conservative estimates some reports have at 500 a day, that's cataclysmic for a nation not just the military. That's why Putin from the beginning said Ukraine is only destroying its statehood. Now Ukrainian territory has irretrievably shrunk and what no one is saying is Putin might have another go at Kiev as a response to NATO enlargement and there's no stopping him. Germany after WW11 had to basically import Italian and Turkish men to rebuild and replenish the country and to this day have special funding for women to encourage child birth to bolster its population numbers. That's what war does to you and many other things. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 12:04pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
Covert1: No, we are just hypothetically speaking. Politics determines military procurement. Nigeria would not be able to buy the SU-35. That's not going to happen, the Americans would make sure of that. 2 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 12:08pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
Toju200: Serbia can't upgrade MI-24 helicopters, they bought MI-35m from Russia. Czech republic, that's also unlikely. As it is, I don't see us upgrading those choppers for the foreseeable future. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Exnavyboy62: 12:28pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
Covert1: God bless you for this post |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Exnavyboy62: 12:39pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
[quote author=kabe1 post=11434947 No, we are just hypothetically speaking. Politics determines military procurement. Nigeria would not be able to buy the SU-35. That's not going to happen, the Americans would make sure of that.[/quote] That is if our next president is as dumb as Zelensky. Who are they to tell us what and what not to buy. What do they take us for, puppets. I pray we establish stronger diplomatic ties with Russia, China, Iran and even North Korea. America and their so called "political interests" have got me pissed 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by tsdarkside(m): 12:48pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
jl115: go fvck yourself.... we blacks dont owe whites any explaination.... |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Odunayaw(m): 12:55pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
kabe1:The only power that can stop us from getting an upgrade for our Mi-24s is willpower |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 12:57pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 2:03pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
Nigerian Air Force 3 Likes
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by kabe1: 2:03pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
It seems the Nigerian Air Force has taken delivery of new MRAPs. Can anyone identify the vehicles behind?
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Bacteria8: 2:38pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
Good afternoon guys... Pls there was a page on this thread where someone said something about America referring to Nigeria as the largest democracy in Africa. Pls I will like to be referred to the certain page, I want to read through it again for research purposes pls and pls |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by JOSCOFELIX: 3:21pm On Jul 02, 2022 |
kabe1:I have see su 35 family going against western aircraft in Syria and giving them some nice push |
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