Maybe one day we'll conquer the problem of death.

Maybe not in the way that this your present body will live a thousand years without getting older and dying.

But instead we may conquer death by transferring our memories from one body to another.

Like, you can make a complete backup of all your memories and feelings and then restore them all in a new body.

So, when this your present body get frail and die, your memories will still be alive in another body, that way you get to live again and again.

Would that still be called death?

I understand, some people might say the real you is not the flesh. But evidence so far has shown that we are the memories we make.

Takeaway a man's memories and you'll have stolen that man's life. Afterall, it's only by knowing and remembering your feelings, relationships, family and work that makes you feel alive.

Now memory is a physical problem.

We know it exists in our brains, so it's only a problem of finding how to gather them, back them up and restore them back to give you a second chance.

If there is an opportunity like this, would you take it?

Hmm, insightful.

What you described was the theme of the robot movie Chappie.

It sounds like it should be doable theoretically, but it has been an impossibility so far.

From a spiritual angle, the brain is the core, the essence & the engine of the soul. When the soul departs the body upon death, the memories as well could have gone with it. My point is without a soul, the brain has no memory and vice versa. This may be why the memory transfers are still an impossibility.

What about brain transplants?

Space booked...

ThierryJay:
Hmm, insightful.

What you described was the theme of the robot movie Chappie.

It sounds like it should be doable theoretically, but it has been an impossibility so far.

From a spiritual angle, the brain is the core, the essence & the engine of the soul. When the soul departs the body upon death, the memories as well could have gone with it. My point is without a soul, the brain has no memory and vice versa. This may be why the memory transfers are still an impossibility.

What about brain transplants?

I think the brain and memory is separate from the religious concepts of soul.

For instance, it has already been shown that by stimulating certain parts of the brain, you can recall some of your earliest childhood memories.

And if certain parts of the brain gets damaged, you might even forget your name.

So, I'll probably disagree with you on the idea that memories are tied to a soul rather than the brain.

The brain is the memory center.

Besides Elon musk is currently working on Neuralink. A chip that can be implanted into the head and it'll be able to translate some of your thoughts into actionable digital signals like turning off TV, switching channels and things like that.

Now I'm sure it's not advanced enough for memory backup and restoration but it's a good first step.

The more we understand the brain, the more we can device new ways to interact with it and maybe one day, we can actually get to connect a device as an add-on storage center.

Premiumwriter:
Maybe one day we'll conquer the problem of death.

Maybe not in the way that this your present body will live a thousand years without getting older and dying.

But instead we may conquer death by transferring our memories from one body to another.

Like, you can make a complete backup of all your memories and feelings and then restore them all in a new body.

So, when this your present body get frail and die, your memories will still be alive in another body, that way you get to live again and again.

Would that still be called death?

I understand, some people might say the real you is not the flesh. But evidence so far has shown that we are the memories we make.

Takeaway a man's memories and you'll have stolen that man's life. Afterall, it's only by knowing and remembering your feelings, relationships, family and work that makes you feel alive.

Now memory is a physical problem.

We know it exists in our brains, so it's only a problem of finding how to gather them, back them up and restore them back to give you a second chance.

If there is an opportunity like this, would you take it?

You're smart... Too bad you're a redpiller...

Yes... Scientists are already doing this... We record our daily lives... When we dies, this memory is transferred to another body... Even a computer...

I don't think it would be like a second life for those who are dead... It would instead be for the family and friends of the deceased...

Our memories are just one part of us... There's more... You can't transfer feelings... Our morals... Perception...

The brain is complicated... No matter how hard you try, you can't recreate it...

ThierryJay:
Hmm, insightful.

What you described was the theme of the robot movie Chappie.

It sounds like it should be doable theoretically, but it has been an impossibility so far.

From a spiritual angle, the brain is the core, the essence & the engine of the soul. When the soul departs the body upon death, the memories as well could have gone with it. My point is without a soul, the brain has no memory and vice versa. This may be why the memory transfers are still an impossibility.

What about brain transplants?

I disagree... I'm not spiritual but I'll respect your beliefs and still counter this point...

After death, the human brain is active for a few minutes... Also, a person can be brain dead but kept alive...

There's no link between the soul and the brain...

Do animals have souls? Christianity says no... Yet animals have memories... Eg dogs, octopuses, dolphins, monkeys... Etc... These are amongst the smartest amimals on the planet after man...

BoredBerry:
You're smart... Too bad you're a redpiller...

Yes... Scientists are already doing this... We record our daily lives... When we dies, this memory is transferred to another body... Even a computer...

I don't think it would be like a second life for those who are dead... It would instead be for the family and friends of the deceased...

Our memories are just one part of us... There's more... You can't transfer feelings... Our morals... Perception...

The brain is complicated... No matter how hard you try, you can't recreate it...

things like feelings and perceptions are actually a product of our past records and nothing new.

For instance, if you gather sufficient religious knowledge, you get the perception that incest is bad and if you engage in it, you feel guilty because your conscience will judge you.

But remove all those previous memories from religious upbringing and you'll never have the perception that incest is bad. And no conscience will judge you.

A good example of this is the Chinese. They feel no dirty conscience for incest because their memories have no data that says the practice is bad.

Feelings on the other hand might be a problem though. But then feeling is just chemicals. For pleasure or pain is just different chemicals being secreted by the brain.

Sha, I know billions of people who will do away with their feelings for a chance to never die

Madam, so redpillers cannot be smart in peace again

Premiumwriter:
things like feelings and perceptions are actually a product of our past records and nothing new.

For instance, if you gather sufficient religious knowledge, you get the perception that incest is bad and if you engage in it, you feel guilty because your conscience will judge you.

Not exactly... We all have a conscience... Even toddlers... That can't be transferred... And it's not just about learning what's good and bad... Humans have the ability to judge... No matter how much you are told a certain thing is good, you would still reject it if it doesn't agree with you... We don't just have brains that work like a computer, there's the human mind... Which reasons...

When you were young, you thought a certain thing was cool... But years later and your impression has changed... Because you grew... Assuming you had passed away has a kid and your memories were transferred, that eventual change wouldn't happen... You would always be the little you in the new body...

But remove all those previous memories from religious upbringing and you'll never have the perception that incest is bad. And no conscience will judge you.

I don't agree... Humans have come a long way... Our ancestors still had an idea of what's good or bad... And they were very uncivilized... For example... The one fear all humans have is the fear of the unknown... And also death which we have no knowledge of...

We can reason... So we even think of things we've never experienced... You can think of outer space and the future and death... This ability to think beyond the present is something rare to us... And you can't transfer that...

A good example of this is the Chinese. They feel no dirty conscience for incest because their memories have no data that says the practice is bad.

Okay... But that's not my point really... We have morals which we learn... But we also have that sixth sense to perceive and judge things without any external influence...

Feelings on the other hand might be a problem though. But then feeling is just chemicals. For pleasure or pain is just different chemicals being secreted by the brain.

The ability to contemplate the future... That's not chemicals tho...

Sha, I know billions of people who will do away with their feelings for a chance to never die

I dunno... I don't think it would be the same.. I first knew of this experiment a few years ago... I didn't vibe with it... It feels like there's more to us, something that makes us US! You understand? What theists call a soul... It's just, even if two people grow up and do everything together, there would still be a stark difference in the way they see things...

Madam, so redpillers cannot be smart in peace again

Nope... The vast majority aren't...

There are so many intelligent people on nairaland

Op I really like ur reasoning and I understand from the point u re coming from, but it's hardly possible to attain such height now, just not in our era, maybe next generation of human is achievable of such feat.

Just like science is believed that human evolved from apes, so it is today as human are still evolving through the help of science/technology, though in a slow pace.

Now talking about reserving our memories after death, a memory is like a back up file to the soul and vice versa. Let's say a body dies, and the soul left immediately without trace of where it goes, Even though we manage to retain our memories by through any means necessary, it would only retain our past and present right from the day we know what's good/bad, right/wrong and can not go beyond that, thus would become meaningless with time as it will lose its value, the ability to grow and evolve because of the absence of the soul.

So to this, the memory is as good as not existing without the soul. It's like a parasite that feeds on the soul for survival.

BoredBerry:
I disagree... I'm not spiritual but I'll respect your beliefs and still counter this point...

After death, the human brain is active for a few minutes... Also, a person can be brain dead but kept alive...

There's no link between the soul and the brain...

Do animals have souls? Christianity says no... Yet animals have memories... Eg dogs, octopuses, dolphins, monkeys... Etc... These are amongst the smartest amimals on the planet after man...

Thanks for your comments. But you'd notice I mostly used uncertain terminology in my post, because at this stage what is known about memory transfers is still mostly conjecture.

Now to the specifics, you cannot be too sure that the soul and brain have no link. It is the soul (life) that activates brain activity. You can have someone with the brain gone but is still technically alive. But you cannot have someone with an active brain that is soulless. Note I am not talking about first few minutes of death where some brain activity can still be recorded which is attributable to the shutting down process of the brain. This is similar to the typical jerks of a newly decapitated chicken even sometimes in the cooking pot when they are already dead.

I also do not recall anywhere in the Bible where it is stated that animals have no souls. Note that my reference to soul is interchangeable with spirit. Whether humans or animals, they all have an intangible inner personality which basically constitutes the "life" of the body. This is what I believe switches the brain on in humans and animals alike.

ThierryJay:


Thanks for your comments. But you'd notice I mostly used uncertain terminology in my post, because at this stage what is known about memory transfers is still mostly conjecture.

Now to the specifics, you cannot be too sure that the soul and brain have no link. It is the soul (life) that activates brain activity. You can have someone with the brain gone but is still technically alive. But you cannot have someone with an active brain that is soulless. Note I am not talking about first few minutes of death where some brain activity can still be recorded which is attributable to the shutting down process of the brain. This is similar to the typical jerks of a newly decapitated chicken even sometimes in the cooking pot when they are already dead.

I also do not recall anywhere in the Bible where it is stated that animals have no souls. Note that my reference to soul is interchangeable with spirit. Whether humans or animals, they all have an intangible inner personality which basically constitutes the "life" of the body. This is what I believe switches the brain on.

Brain transplants are impossible at the moment due to the neurological limitations, else we'd be able to know if one can assume another person's personality upon transfer.

I think I understand you... When you say soul, you mean consciousness... Right?

BoredBerry:
I think I understand you... When you say soul, you mean consciousness... Right?

Consciousness is part of it but it's much more than that as someone who has lost consciousness such as in coma will still have an active soul.

It is more like a life force, that transmits functionality to an assemblage of body organs and enables distinct personalities. It is what distinguishes humans/animals from robots who also have a "brain processor".

May be when we get to Level 6 civilization, that could be possible

If it be possible at any point in time to transfer memories and consciousness from a failing or dead body to a new or backup body then it will only be then that we will get to understand the limit of the human brain.
Let's assume a body keeps transferring it's memories and consciousness to another body for a thousand years,what will be the impact of this giant size memories on the brain:I am thinking of very slow recall speed as an effect of the brain labouring so much to find information and connection from this "giant rubble" of human experience.

ThierryJay:


Thanks for your comments. But you'd notice I mostly used uncertain terminology in my post, because at this stage what is known about memory transfers is still mostly conjecture.

Now to the specifics, you cannot be too sure that the soul and brain have no link. It is the soul (life) that activates brain activity. You can have someone with the brain gone but is still technically alive. But you cannot have someone with an active brain that is soulless. Note I am not talking about first few minutes of death where some brain activity can still be recorded which is attributable to the shutting down process of the brain. This is similar to the typical jerks of a newly decapitated chicken even sometimes in the cooking pot when they are already dead.

I also do not recall anywhere in the Bible where it is stated that animals have no souls. Note that my reference to soul is interchangeable with spirit. Whether humans or animals, they all have an intangible inner personality which basically constitutes the "life" of the body. This is what I believe switches the brain on in humans and animals alike.

I think the idea of a life force is a little far-fetched.

Granted I'm not a religious guy but thinking the body needs a life force to exist doesn't make any sense at all.

For one, we know that different parts of the body is controlled independently by different parts of the brain.

The left side controls the right side of the body and so on.

Now when neurosurgeons severe the connection between the two parts of the brain, they found that each part of the brain acts like a separate person.

Think of two people in the same body. It occurs in such a way that one part of the body like the right side responds differently than the left side.

Further studies, shows that the different parts of the body even have different desires and goals. You can google more about separated hemisphere patients to learn about this.

Now, would you in that case say the soul of that person has been divided into two?

The idea of a soul is a little far fetched. Granted we cannot create life, but there is no evidence whatsoever that we exist separately from our body.

If anything, you can't even imagine yourself separated from your body and thoughts. We are just our thoughts and body.

You're thinking too much

It'll change a whole lot
Smartness and intelligence will be transferable too
Human body would be more like carcass
Prison will cease to exist
You'll be able to live million years in a second
Suffering would be only a memory
Still lot of memories would be wiped away forever meaning people will die even more than now.
You would as well live the life of your generations by yourself

BoredBerry:
You're smart... Too bad you're a redpiller...

Yes... Scientists are already doing this... We record our daily lives... When we dies, this memory is transferred to another body... Even a computer...

I don't think it would be like a second life for those who are dead... It would instead be for the family and friends of the deceased...

Our memories are just one part of us... There's more... You can't transfer feelings... Our morals... Perception...

The brain is complicated... No matter how hard you try, you can't recreate it...

You mean, can't create it yet?

mrfizy:
If it be possible at any point in time to transfer memories and consciousness from a failing or dead body to a new or backup body then it will only be then that we will get to understand the limit of the human brain.
Let's assume a body keeps transferring it's memories and consciousness to another body for a thousand years,what will be the impact of this giant size memories on the brain:I am thinking of very slow recall speed as an effect of the brain labouring so much to find information and connection from this "giant rubble" of human experience.

Agree with you....The memory capacity of human brain is limited. I guess that's why we don't store memory like physical persistent storage device. We can't remember everything we have ever seen or heard of. We only remember the ones important to us

Fash20:


Agree with you....The memory capacity of the human brain is limited. I guess that's why we don't store memory like a physical persistent storage device. We can't remember everything we have ever seen or heard of. We only remember the ones important to us

I think you under-estimate the capacity of the human brain sir.

Studies have shown that the capacity of the human brain is around 2.5 petabytes. Today, the largest data storage center in the world is owned by Yahoo and it is 2 petabytes. This data center alone handles over 20 billion data on a daily basis. Now compared to the American IRS data center which stores the data of over 20 million Americans is only 150 terabytes just about 6% of the brain's storage capacity.

Secondly, the 2.5 petabyte capacity of the brain through calculation, is enough to hold videos for up to 2, 628,000 hours. That's 300 years of non-stop recording and storage capacity.

why do we then forget things, actually no one knows. The brain is selective of things to keep and things to delete. Sometimes, you forget important details and remember silly things that you even hear or saw by accident. But it is not because the brain does not have the capacity to store all the information.

Thirdly, think about the number of subconcious processes your brain needs to learn and remember each day and you will realize that the brain really does have a huge storage capacity. It recognizes every single letter you have learned over 10, 15 or 20 years ago, it remembers every single or most of the faces you meet, it remembers how to drive, ride a bike or where you keep your keys. Just about everything you could remember is stored in your brain.

Like can you even begin to imagine that? Everything you know, everything imagination can be re-imagined because that imagination has been stored. Or should we talk about muscle memories, how you walk, run and so on? those are all stored memories. And then there is internal memories, you are breathing because your brain remembers to co-ordinate the internal affairs, pump blood etc.

BoredBerry:
Not exactly... We all have a conscience... Even toddlers... That can't be transferred... And it's not just about learning what's good and bad... Humans have the ability to judge... No matter how much you are told a certain thing is good, you would still reject it if it doesn't agree with you... We don't just have brains that work like a computer, there's the human mind... Which reasons...

When you were young, you thought a certain thing was cool... But years later and your impression has changed... Because you grew... Assuming you had passed away has a kid and your memories were transferred, that eventual change wouldn't happen... You would always be the little you in the new body...

I don't agree... Humans have come a long way... Our ancestors still had an idea of what's good or bad... And they were very uncivilized... For example... The one fear all humans have is the fear of the unknown... And also death which we have no knowledge of...

We can reason... So we even think of things we've never experienced... You can think of outer space and the future and death... This ability to think beyond the present is something rare to us... And you can't transfer that...

Okay... But that's not my point really... We have morals which we learn... But we also have that sixth sense to perceive and judge things without any external influence...

The ability to contemplate the future... That's not chemicals tho...
I dunno... I don't think it would be the same.. I first knew of this experiment a few years ago... I didn't vibe with it... It feels like there's more to us, something that makes us US! You understand? What theists call a soul... It's just, even if two people grow up and do everything together, there would still be a stark difference in the way they see things...
Nope... The vast majority aren't...

Yes there's more to us... I really like when u comment like this but u still choose not to believe in the master developer/ designer?

Best is find those cells that causes aging n delete it.

There's a 21 yr old that looks like an 8 yr old, something stop working in her body, let scientist start there

Lol.... Humans thiugh.... Alwats deceiving themselves, perhaps they just watched Transcendence

killmods:

Yes there's more to us... I really like when u comment like this but u still choose not to believe in the master developer/ designer?

It's just hard to... I know things aren't so simple... But it's hard to imagine there's a god or something... It's too chaotic... But I can't ever know... We're still learning...

Premiumwriter:
I think you under-estimate the capacity of the human brain sir.

Studies have shown that the capacity of the human brain is around 2.5 petabytes. Today, the largest data storage center in the world is owned by Yahoo and it is 2 petabytes. This data center alone handles over 20 billion data on a daily basis. Now compared to the American IRS data center which stores the data of over 20 million Americans is only 150 terabytes just about 6% of the brain's storage capacity.

Secondly, the 2.5 petabyte capacity of the brain through calculation, is enough to hold videos for up to 2, 628,000 hours. That's 300 years of non-stop recording and storage capacity.

why do we then forget things, actually no one knows. The brain is selective of things to keep and things to delete. Sometimes, you forget important details and remember silly things that you even hear or saw by accident. But it is not because the brain does not have the capacity to store all the information.

Thirdly, think about the number of subconcious processes your brain needs to learn and remember each day and you will realize that the brain really does have a huge storage capacity. It recognizes every single letter you have learned over 10, 15 or 20 years ago, it remembers every single or most of the faces you meet, it remembers how to drive, ride a bike or where you keep your keys. Just about everything you could remember is stored in your brain.

Like can you even begin to imagine that? Everything you know, everything imagination can be re-imagined because that imagination has been stored. Or should we talk about muscle memories, how you walk, run and so on? those are all stored memories. And then there is internal memories, you are breathing because your brain remembers to co-ordinate the internal affairs, pump blood etc.

The brain is indeed a complex organ but I still believe its not as efficient in storing and retrieving data like the HDD or SSD

Fash20:



The brain is indeed a complex organ but I still believe its not as efficient in storing and retrieving data like the HDD or SSD

lolz. You believe.

But reality is quite different. Tell me how many of your hard drives have lasted for 10, 20, or even 100 years as the human brain has.

You see a man of 90 years old still holding to memories from childhood and you compare that to most hard-drive that even in the best of condition can't survive up to 50 years?

Jokerman:
Lol.... Humans thiugh.... Alwats deceiving themselves, perhaps they just watched Transcendence

lolz.

If anyone had told great grandfather that one day, you his son will be able to talk to your mother without ever seeing her, he'd say that you are crazy.

Like they say, if technology is sufficiently evolved, it'll look like magic.

For now, it looks impossible. But a computer in your palm was impossible a few centuries ago until transistors came along.

A simple line will be crossed and everything will start falling in place

postbmd:
Best is find those cells that causes aging n delete it.

There's a 21 yr old that looks like an 8 yr old, something stop working in her body, let scientist start there

anti-aging might be good but it will only prolong life, not make you immortal.

You don't age, you get to live longer but there are chances for sudden accidents.

But your memory in the cloud, replicated and stored in hundreds of storage services is almost impossible to lose.

Premiumwriter:
lolz. You believe.

But reality is quite different. Tell me how many of your hard drives have lasted for 10, 20, or even 100 years as the human brain has.

You see a man of 90 years old still holding to memories from childhood and you compare that to most hard-drive that even in the best of condition can't survive up to 50 years?

You should consider the fact that evolution has been at work for over a billion years. The tech that birthed HDD is less than a century.