| Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by Gemma11: 2:13pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
Idiotseverywher:
. Guy go and sit down you are writing rubbish, your hatred on Igbo man will kill you, the first case has been established, he is not a minor, Na to bring evidence that hr was a willing donor,, where he signed documents with some members as witnesses, he thought by lying in oversea country hr will be giving asylum , by the next hearing they will move the case to Nigerian court, their own jurisdictions is off since it has been established not a minor, what they will now go for to know if he was a willing donor and the application for Visa which was clearly stated why the visa is being issued ruled out organ harvesting because no matter how you people bend it he must have been interviewed in UK embassy and his comments documented, once it is established in the next hearing, they will send them back to Nigeria court for the embassy in Nigeria to bear as the first witness in the visa issuance Even if they bring signed documentation from the boy, they still need to prove that the consent was one of goodwill and not one done because of money or incentive. This is where the Ekweremadu's goose is cooked because why would a stranger just agree to give somebody he has never met one of his kidneys for free? The simple fact that Ekweremadu paid for David's flight to the UK, accomodated him in his house and fed him is enough for a guilty verdict. The Modern Slavery Act 2015 is very clear. 11 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by Nozino: 2:13pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
Nbote:
How exactly did they swindle him? That Boy obviously willingly offered to sell his kidney to them but developed cold feet afta arriving the UK If they “willingly” decide to buy his kidney, it is still a crime. You can’t buy human organs. 4 Likes |
| Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by Kaiser20: 2:13pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
David Ukpo is like those girls from Edo-state who always claim they were lured to Italy to work as a super Model, on getting to Napoli they found out that it was Ashawo work.
Although their parents took Oaths 4 Likes |
| Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by obailala(m): 2:14pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
The hatred people have for Ekweremadu has just blocked their sense of reasoning. So many people in this thread rejoicing that he will be spending many years in jail; they obviously fail to see the real picture being that he just won the first hurdle in the case. The boy lying about being a minor already rubbishes the entire case in Ekweremadus favour. 2 Likes |
| Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by etrange: 2:14pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
Gemma11:
We are yet to hear the boy's full testimony under oath.
He also doesn't have to be a child in order to file for asylum No one said he needs to be a child to be granted a refugee status, but if he lied about his age just to indict the senator, passing the refugee hearing would be the least of his worries. 2 Likes |
| Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by ogbuefi677(m): 2:14pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
WarriAproko:
he is not innocent. The Doctor actually called the police. The boy was not informed that he is donating his kidney,thats why he was not tested in Nigeria to see if it will match. He is not informed Do you think the Ekweremadus could have pulled off harvesting some1's kidney in the UK without d donor's permission? In the UK oo not in Nigeria? How will they now manage the boy so he won't talk after the procedure? Kill him and disappear his body? In the UK too? Make una no de let hatred cloud una judgement abeg. The fact that Ekweremadu wrote a letter to the UK embassy stating he will sponsor the boy's visit and also stated the purpose of the visit says a lot. Dude is just looking for asylum with lies.Simple |
| Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by emmykk(m): 2:15pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
Nbote:
How exactly did they swindle him? That Boy obviously willingly offered to sell his kidney to them but developed cold feet afta arriving the UK Follow the news his system didn't match with the patient not that he developed cold feet |
| Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by Nozino: 2:15pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
thunder74:
The implications of this ruling is that the boy will not be given protection and asylum again. David is coming back to Nigeria. Says who? He has a very strong case to support his continuous stay in the UK. No British court will send him home after such a high profile case. 4 Likes |
| Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by ogbuefi677(m): 2:15pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
WarriAproko:
why didn't they test him in Nigeria. Beside the Doctor called the police Why does buhari go to treat ear infection in London? 2 Likes |
| Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by pavoda: 2:16pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
This is at best Monday morning quarterbacks [s] FreeStuffsNG:
Hmmm. This article below is a reminder again. Do not outsource your role as a father.
EKWEREMADU: Between Fatherhood and Ambition
I recall having this conversation with my wife during the week when the case of Sen. Ike Ekweremadu came up and I was completely in an incandescent shock that this man actually has a sick daughter yet has been all over the place attending political meetings for his political ambition instead of taking time out from the highly demanding world of politics to sort out his daughter's pressing health needs.
He was all over the place during the PDP primaries, he lost the PDP gubernatorial primaries for Enugu state then started planning to decamp to APGA, then APC , reportedly taken to APC national Chairman by HE Uzodinma, Imo state Governor, when APC stalwarts in Enugu APC, led by their state APC Chairman, Chief Ugochukwu Agballah, outrightly rejected him.
He eventually lost and , unlike previous election cycles, Senator Ekweremadu is not returning to the Nigerian Senate.He lost on all the political fronts.
Sen. Ike Ekweremadu was all over the place so much that it appeared like he did not follow through on the health and lifestyle choices of his children.
He did not follow through on what I believe is more important than his political ambition; the life of his daughter and a family at the low ebb of the apprehension of losing a child to kidney failure.
Ike Ekeremadu was so consumed by his political ambition that he had no time and seriousness to do due diligence and background check on the character they got him as a donor for his daughter , I doubt if with his PhD, he even had the time to follow through and read up to ask the right questions from the professionals, understand the risks and benefits of why it could be better for one member of his family of six to donate to the daughter instead of a stranger and seek help to find out if there are some of the tests which can be done on the stranger here in Nigeria before bundling a total stranger overseas.
He was so consumed by politics that when the 22-year old donor went rogue and was allegedly scheming behind him to deny his age and report Ike and family to UK police, it probably escaped his detection and intervention soon enough so he can be the first to report to UK police and then return the donor to Nigeria for him to immediately restart the process of getting alternative donor(s) for his ailing daughter whose life was more important to him.
He forgot that he was first a father and husband before becoming a Senator,Deputy Senate President and SSG.
He forgot that he will finish as a father and husband.
I compared Senator Ekweremadu to Joe Biden and I believe that he could have followed the Biden example. Then in 2015 , US Vice President Biden had a dying son and had the opportunity to contest in his party's primaries to emerge against Trump for the US Presidency but Biden stepped down from that race in order to support his dying son.
At a point, Biden was to sell his family house before Barack Obama intervened and offered to pay for the treatment. Biden's boy made his Dad promise him that no matter what happens, Biden must not give up his life long ambition to be US President, Biden's boy, Beau Biden later died. Biden grieved without the guilt of abandoning his son for his political ambition.
In 2021, years after his son had passed on , Biden contested and won. There are many Nigerian politicians (and professionals) who will do like Biden but not like Ike.
Family is so important that we even need the approval of a sick dying one before we place anything above their life
That is the lesson Ike missed and was almost about to lose from both ends as his wife who takes care of the daughter remains in prison until July 7 and now August 4.
Last two Sundays ago was Father's Day , I really truly hope that fathers used that day to reflect and understand the real responsibility of fatherhood. It is the hardest job for a man but it gives the greatest reward if you do your best at it.
As a father , I have realized that it is not possible to outsource that role of a father and not pay heavy fines.
May God heal that Ike Ekweremadu's daughter and may God help the Ike Ekweremadu family in this their difficult time. I know it is a difficult place for them.
May God help all fathers to realise that "your child is your responsibility".
That you pay all the bills and have a devoted and responsible wife/mother of your child won't still make up for your negligence.
Your child is your responsibility and not even your ambition can replace what you will miss if you neglect your role in the life of your child.
This a lesson to all fathers: Do not behave like Senator Ike Ekweremadu who was literally chasing rats around the house when his house was on fire.
May God help us all to succeed and may our children not develop kidney failure. May our labour of love and sacrifice be rewarded in our life time and when we are long gone, Amen.
Sunkanmi Vaughan is a Lagos-based Pharmacist and Author.
Meanwhile,here's free book on business ideas & money sources directory for you,it's 100% free! to download, read and use https://www.nairaland.com/6666800/looking-business-ideas-money-fund. Cheers. [/s] |
| Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by PENNYSWAP: 2:16pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
ogbuefi677:
Same boy claimed he is a minor,now it has been discovered he's not.
Why do you want to believe his other statement?
Shebi you heard his kidney didn't match and he was already told to prepare to return Nigeria b4 he started this movie? Can you bring a proof of where he claimed  It was the persecutors that claimed |
| Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by DMerciful(m): 2:17pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
It is! OwaliZiz:
Sometimes I imagine if it was a plan from the donor |
| Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by Fezchima: 2:17pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
Thank you, the great messenger. FreeStuffsNG:
Hmmm. This article below is a reminder again. Do not outsource your role as a father.
EKWEREMADU: Between Fatherhood and Ambition
I recall having this conversation with my wife during the week when the case of Sen. Ike Ekweremadu came up and I was completely in an incandescent shock that this man actually has a sick daughter yet has been all over the place attending political meetings for his political ambition instead of taking time out from the highly demanding world of politics to sort out his daughter's pressing health needs.
He was all over the place during the PDP primaries, he lost the PDP gubernatorial primaries for Enugu state then started planning to decamp to APGA, then APC , reportedly taken to APC national Chairman by HE Uzodinma, Imo state Governor, when APC stalwarts in Enugu APC, led by their state APC Chairman, Chief Ugochukwu Agballah, outrightly rejected him.
He eventually lost and , unlike previous election cycles, Senator Ekweremadu is not returning to the Nigerian Senate.He lost on all the political fronts.
Sen. Ike Ekweremadu was all over the place so much that it appeared like he did not follow through on the health and lifestyle choices of his children.
He did not follow through on what I believe is more important than his political ambition; the life of his daughter and a family at the low ebb of the apprehension of losing a child to kidney failure.
Ike Ekeremadu was so consumed by his political ambition that he had no time and seriousness to do due diligence and background check on the character they got him as a donor for his daughter , I doubt if with his PhD, he even had the time to follow through and read up to ask the right questions from the professionals, understand the risks and benefits of why it could be better for one member of his family of six to donate to the daughter instead of a stranger and seek help to find out if there are some of the tests which can be done on the stranger here in Nigeria before bundling a total stranger overseas.
He was so consumed by politics that when the 22-year old donor went rogue and was allegedly scheming behind him to deny his age and report Ike and family to UK police, it probably escaped his detection and intervention soon enough so he can be the first to report to UK police and then return the donor to Nigeria for him to immediately restart the process of getting alternative donor(s) for his ailing daughter whose life was more important to him.
He forgot that he was first a father and husband before becoming a Senator,Deputy Senate President and SSG.
He forgot that he will finish as a father and husband.
I compared Senator Ekweremadu to Joe Biden and I believe that he could have followed the Biden example. Then in 2015 , US Vice President Biden had a dying son and had the opportunity to contest in his party's primaries to emerge against Trump for the US Presidency but Biden stepped down from that race in order to support his dying son.
At a point, Biden was to sell his family house before Barack Obama intervened and offered to pay for the treatment. Biden's boy made his Dad promise him that no matter what happens, Biden must not give up his life long ambition to be US President, Biden's boy, Beau Biden later died. Biden grieved without the guilt of abandoning his son for his political ambition.
In 2021, years after his son had passed on , Biden contested and won. There are many Nigerian politicians (and professionals) who will do like Biden but not like Ike.
Family is so important that we even need the approval of a sick dying one before we place anything above their life
That is the lesson Ike missed and was almost about to lose from both ends as his wife who takes care of the daughter remains in prison until July 7 and now August 4.
Last two Sundays ago was Father's Day , I really truly hope that fathers used that day to reflect and understand the real responsibility of fatherhood. It is the hardest job for a man but it gives the greatest reward if you do your best at it.
As a father , I have realized that it is not possible to outsource that role of a father and not pay heavy fines.
May God heal that Ike Ekweremadu's daughter and may God help the Ike Ekweremadu family in this their difficult time. I know it is a difficult place for them.
May God help all fathers to realise that "your child is your responsibility".
That you pay all the bills and have a devoted and responsible wife/mother of your child won't still make up for your negligence.
Your child is your responsibility and not even your ambition can replace what you will miss if you neglect your role in the life of your child.
This a lesson to all fathers: Do not behave like Senator Ike Ekweremadu who was literally chasing rats around the house when his house was on fire.
May God help us all to succeed and may our children not develop kidney failure. May our labour of love and sacrifice be rewarded in our life time and when we are long gone, Amen.
Sunkanmi Vaughan is a Lagos-based Pharmacist and Author.
Meanwhile,here's free book on business ideas & money sources directory for you,it's 100% free! to download, read and use https://www.nairaland.com/6666800/looking-business-ideas-money-fund. Cheers. |
| Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by Lifestone(m): 2:18pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
Quest7777:
Not surprised the guy is not a minor.
Nevertheless they still have serious charges to answer to under UK laws. Like which one, the only other hurdle is to prove consent. |
| Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by ekeneewere(m): 2:18pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
thunder74:
The implications of this ruling is that the boy will not be given protection and asylum again. David is coming back to Nigeria. I honestly do not think that the boy in this current circumstance will be deported to Nigeria. The onus now lies with the Ekweremadus to actually prove that there was a tangible evidence showing the boy David actually gave his consent willingly to donate his kidney or was induced by financial gains. If it is not proven that he voluntarily gave consent, then the Ekweremadus are going in for it. in another case, even if the boy gave his consent before coming to the UK, he can enter asylum as his life is already in danger should he ever step his feet into Nigeria as per the current circumstance 4 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by izubext007: 2:18pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
Good for him,we should learn to stick to agreement. |
| Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by Nozino: 2:18pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
etrange:
You know the boy can also be jailed for misrepresentation, right? Misrepresentation? Do you have his birth record? If he says he is a minor and you can’t prove beyond all reasonable doubt that he isn’t a minor, then a minor he is. BVN records do not prove anything as they can be changed anytime several times. This ruling doesn’t change much for the criminal senator and his criminal wife. 3 Likes |
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| Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by descarado: 2:19pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
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| Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by OmoEpe(m): 2:20pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
FreeStuffsNG:
Hmmm. This article below is a reminder again. Do not outsource your role as a father.
EKWEREMADU: Between Fatherhood and Ambition
I recall having this conversation with my wife during the week when the case of Sen. Ike Ekweremadu came up and I was completely in an incandescent shock that this man actually has a sick daughter yet has been all over the place attending political meetings for his political ambition instead of taking time out from the highly demanding world of politics to sort out his daughter's pressing health needs.
He was all over the place during the PDP primaries, he lost the PDP gubernatorial primaries for Enugu state then started planning to decamp to APGA, then APC , reportedly taken to APC national Chairman by HE Uzodinma, Imo state Governor, when APC stalwarts in Enugu APC, led by their state APC Chairman, Chief Ugochukwu Agballah, outrightly rejected him.
He eventually lost and , unlike previous election cycles, Senator Ekweremadu is not returning to the Nigerian Senate.He lost on all the political fronts.
Sen. Ike Ekweremadu was all over the place so much that it appeared like he did not follow through on the health and lifestyle choices of his children.
He did not follow through on what I believe is more important than his political ambition; the life of his daughter and a family at the low ebb of the apprehension of losing a child to kidney failure.
Ike Ekeremadu was so consumed by his political ambition that he had no time and seriousness to do due diligence and background check on the character they got him as a donor for his daughter , I doubt if with his PhD, he even had the time to follow through and read up to ask the right questions from the professionals, understand the risks and benefits of why it could be better for one member of his family of six to donate to the daughter instead of a stranger and seek help to find out if there are some of the tests which can be done on the stranger here in Nigeria before bundling a total stranger overseas.
He was so consumed by politics that when the 22-year old donor went rogue and was allegedly scheming behind him to deny his age and report Ike and family to UK police, it probably escaped his detection and intervention soon enough so he can be the first to report to UK police and then return the donor to Nigeria for him to immediately restart the process of getting alternative donor(s) for his ailing daughter whose life was more important to him.
He forgot that he was first a father and husband before becoming a Senator,Deputy Senate President and SSG.
He forgot that he will finish as a father and husband.
I compared Senator Ekweremadu to Joe Biden and I believe that he could have followed the Biden example. Then in 2015 , US Vice President Biden had a dying son and had the opportunity to contest in his party's primaries to emerge against Trump for the US Presidency but Biden stepped down from that race in order to support his dying son.
At a point, Biden was to sell his family house before Barack Obama intervened and offered to pay for the treatment. Biden's boy made his Dad promise him that no matter what happens, Biden must not give up his life long ambition to be US President, Biden's boy, Beau Biden later died. Biden grieved without the guilt of abandoning his son for his political ambition.
In 2021, years after his son had passed on , Biden contested and won. There are many Nigerian politicians (and professionals) who will do like Biden but not like Ike.
Family is so important that we even need the approval of a sick dying one before we place anything above their life
That is the lesson Ike missed and was almost about to lose from both ends as his wife who takes care of the daughter remains in prison until July 7 and now August 4.
Last two Sundays ago was Father's Day , I really truly hope that fathers used that day to reflect and understand the real responsibility of fatherhood. It is the hardest job for a man but it gives the greatest reward if you do your best at it.
As a father , I have realized that it is not possible to outsource that role of a father and not pay heavy fines.
May God heal that Ike Ekweremadu's daughter and may God help the Ike Ekweremadu family in this their difficult time. I know it is a difficult place for them.
May God help all fathers to realise that "your child is your responsibility".
That you pay all the bills and have a devoted and responsible wife/mother of your child won't still make up for your negligence.
Your child is your responsibility and not even your ambition can replace what you will miss if you neglect your role in the life of your child.
This a lesson to all fathers: Do not behave like Senator Ike Ekweremadu who was literally chasing rats around the house when his house was on fire.
May God help us all to succeed and may our children not develop kidney failure. May our labour of love and sacrifice be rewarded in our life time and when we are long gone, Amen.
Sunkanmi Vaughan is a Lagos-based Pharmacist and Author.
Meanwhile,here's free book on business ideas & money sources directory for you,it's 100% free! to download, read and use https://www.nairaland.com/6666800/looking-business-ideas-money-fund. Cheers. All this hatred and bitterness for both himself and his kid just because he said an open truth about your lying machine Peter Obi? May you see small sweetness in your life before you die in Jesus Name |
| Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by Quest7777: 2:21pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
Lifestone:
Like which one, the only other hurdle is to prove consent. Financial inducement. Or u think the guy donated his vital organ out of love & compassion. 2 Likes |
| Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by Nozino: 2:22pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
Ibime:
No they don't. If he's not a minor, the case is dead, as long as he signed to be a donor.
But if this PVC is what they used to rule he is not a minor, then they should investigate whether Ekweremadu has not got INEC to falsify this PVC. This picture potentially looks like what was taken in the airport, not 2019 when he was a nobody The case won’t die. If this ruling stands, the only charge getting dropped would be the child trafficking charge. Offering to buy a human organ is a crime and we all know the boy didn’t voluntarily agree to donate his organ. It’s either he was paid (which is a crime) or he didn’t know he was trafficked to get his organ ( bigger crime). Whichever way, the criminal senator isn’t walking out of this case unscarred. 4 Likes |
| Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by ogbuefi677(m): 2:22pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
descarado:
You don't get asylum that way my dear.
Lying under oath is a grievous offence.
He already have a tainted image when released.
If it's proven he gave consent,Case is dismissed. He will be sent back to Nigeria but a dent on his international passport which will haunt him later.
We all want the Ekweremadu to suffer but the law especially outside Nigeria always follow due process.
Na you want Ekweremadu to suffer for what he did not do,me I no follow |
| Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by jaxxy(m): 2:22pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
ThinkSmarter:
Let the Elite face trial for the first time, Let them get BP like other Nigerians.
Such is life.
Money cannot buy all things.
That young man claiming minor is a goner. He will ome back to Nigeria and dance with the tiger |
| Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by lexy2014: 2:23pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
Massiveglory:
It is very likely that Senator Ekweremadu is innocent in this matter, but karma is hitting on him for something he has done to someone. The world is wired to replenish to you what you did to others when you least expect. Innocent how? |
| Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by Lifestone(m): 2:23pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
Quest7777:
Financial inducement. Or u think the guy donated his vital organ out of love & compassion. Most time they will argue that as part of evidence that they took good care of him. With a good lawyer, they will come out well, but they will need a lot of patience |
| Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by GEEBITE: 2:24pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
A lot of our folks don't read. There was a letter to the British high commissioner supporting the visa application by the senator. The purpose of the trip was clearly stated there(medical). We might dislike or hate our politicians but truth should be constant. akintunde63:
This isn't unexpected, everyone knew before the ruling, that the boy wasn't a minor.
But still he could claim he wasn't aware that Ekweremadu was going to harvest his organ.
So Ekweremadu isn't free yet, they must have a reason for still keep him in custody 1 Like |
| Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by lexy2014: 2:24pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
obailala:
The hatred people have for Ekweremadu has just blocked their sense of reasoning. So many people in this thread rejoicing that he will be spending many years in jail; they obviously fail to see the real picture being that he just won the first hurdle in the case. The boy lying about being a minor already rubbishes the entire case in Ekweremadus favour. How is that? Pls explain |
| Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by Nozino: 2:24pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
SIMONEKPA7:
The UK should first send the guy to Nigeria. That boy is a chronic liar This is never going to happen. |
| Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by Lifestone(m): 2:25pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
Nozino:
The case won’t die. If this ruling stands, the only charge getting dropped would be the child trafficking charge. Offering to buy a human organ his a crime and we all no the boy didn’t voluntarily agree to donate his organ. It’s either he was paid (which is a crime) or you didn’t know he was trafficked to get his organ ( bigger crime). Whichever way, the criminal senator isn’t walking out of this case unscarred. Once he has been found to be a liar, his evidences are completely useless and will be so destroyed by any smart lawyer 2 Likes |
| Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by Gemma11: 2:26pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
etrange:
No one said he needs to be a child to be granted a refugee status, but if he lied about his age just to indict the senator, passing the refugee hearing would be the least of his worries. But did he lie under oath? The Daily Mail said he had the passport of a 41 year old. The Prosecutor said he was 15. As I said David has not yet had his day in court where he has given evidence under oath. The facts remaining are: David is a Nigerian National who first entered the UK in Feburary this year with a visa application supported by Ekweremadu -Strike 1 David is now in the UK and was here for the purposes of Organ Donation. Strike 2 against the Ekweremadus' who paid for David flight and accomodation while in London (Why did they bring him to the UK?) UK LAW specifically states that visitors to the UK are only allowed to donate organs to family or close personal relationship like spouse - Strike 3 against the Ekweremadus' "You can only visit the UK to donate organs to: a family member who you're genetically related to (for example your sibling or parent) someone you have a close personal relationship with (for example your partner or friend)" https://www.gov.uk/standard-visitor/visit-for-medical-reasons#:~:text=If%20you're%20visiting%20as,example%20your%20partner%20or%20friend) 6 Likes |
| Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by wiseoneking: 2:27pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
Henix:
The Senator is in a big mess Not really, he has passed the first hurdle. Pray for him or I will pray for you. |
