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Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by Nozino: 3:08pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
1stGenAmerican: Thank you. I assumed their was a child trafficking charge along the human trafficking charge. 3 Likes |
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by 1stGenAmerican(f): 3:08pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
etrange: Genetic testing can determine his age but the passport given to him by the Senator was altered to list his age as 41. The lawyers refuse to address that or try to debunk it. The UK court seized the passport so the pictures of the passport being shared is obviously fraudulent. 4 Likes |
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by Idiotseverywher: 3:08pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
LienwaltAbel:. How will you understand a high class argument , just one question you can not even answer, you are busy posting rubbish Google site that doesn't relate with the report, to help give you direction, what is organ donor, just answer that since you are good in Google , you can browse it, simply ask, what is organ donor |
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by Morphinne: 3:09pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
Nemere2020:Well we all knew there’s no way this grandpa could be a 15 year old and I support that he should be promptly dealt with because false accusation is a serious crime that should be treated as such to help protect the institution of trust and staying faithful to agreements but the Ekweremadus too no try at all, why making such a sensitive deal with a homeless, desperate and hungry-looking boy without any legal bindings? Very typical of Nigerian politician; always thinking they can do anything they want and get away with it since they have the money |
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by etrange: 3:09pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
Gemma11: Under oath or not, if he lied at any point concerning his age, that would be a huge red flag in his refugee hearing. That's what I'm saying. Him not lying under oath would save him from perjury, true. But if he lied before now, that would be a score against himself. 1 Like |
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by frog12: 3:11pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
hahahahaha. the lovely wife BeardGangJnr1: 2 Likes |
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by Nozino: 3:12pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
etrange: Hello, I personally do not care about his age seeing as it doesn’t matter to case. My BVN reference was because someone uploaded his bvn records here. For clarity sake, (1) His age doesn’t matter (2) BVN records can easily be manipulated (3) We all know that if the guy did consent, he didn’t do so from the goodness of his heart. 2 Likes |
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by Nozino: 3:14pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
etrange: Sir, I can guarantee that his asylum request will be granted without a hearing. 2 Likes |
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by etrange: 3:14pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
1stGenAmerican: 1stGenAmerican: This is a different discussion because it doesn't make his story any better if he actually lied that he was a minor. Nevertheless, it's an interesting dimension to the story. If not anything, it'll surely make things worse for the senator. Where did you see the actual passport? 2 Likes |
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by frog12: 3:16pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
ekweremadu do not have faith in our health system victorv12: |
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by Morphinne: 3:17pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
etrange:Exactly. I’m keenly interested in the reason behind his sudden u-turn from the agreement he had with them which took him to the UK in the first place. Was he thinking he was invited there to babysit the sick girl? Why are we Nigerians like this? I was at a new location in the East sometime last year and a guy offered to help me with direction to where I was going but the Nigerian instinct in me told me he was up to something bad because I didnt believe a Nigerian could help you without a catch That’s how bad we’re having it now here in Nigeria. To trust ppl now na big deal. What brought about the U-turn? Disclaimer: I’m definitely not picking sides with anyone but basing my judgement on what we’ve been hearing so far as well as the court’s rejection of the boy’s minor claim. 1 Like |
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by Abujason: 3:18pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
1stGenAmerican: I am not here to argue with you or defend anyone as you claim. Organized and well-run countries have set standards in everything. When you declare certain information in your entry documents purposely to mislead, it is considered fraud. Claiming to be a minor when you are a grown-ass man of 21 means he lied in the forms he submitted to UK government. I know in our part of the world, it’s normal to lie and cheat without consequences. Oyibo people don’t accept such. 2 Likes |
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by InoGetJoy: 3:18pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
an0daGuy:Cock and bull story. That guy knows exactly what he's doing |
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by Agadinaagwuofe: 3:20pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
1stGenAmerican: Which credible news do you want again? When there are Nigerian journalists and representatives inside the court and the timeline of all the events were published. They are still in court because the case has been transferred to central criminal court in London which will entertain the bail hearing. Again the boy claimed he was 15 and stop twisting facts, the doctor called metropolitan police based on the boy's testimony so quit making it look like the doctor determined the boy's age by some mystic power. |
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by Nozino: 3:24pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
Morphinne: People like you are the problem we have in Nigeria. The U turn if there was one isn’t relevant. Why are you not asking the right question? Questions like; Did the senator offer to buy his kidney? Was he aware? Did he consent? If he did, was it under duress? 2 Likes |
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by etrange: 3:24pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
Nozino: His age matters because we wouldn't even be talking about consent. His age matters cause if he lied about it, it would cast a shadow of doubt on the rest of his story. His age matters cause if he lied about it, it would make his asylum difficult. His age matters cause if he was a minor, it would be considered an entirely different charge from that of consent. His age matters cause if he was actually a minor, you wouldn't be here telling me his age does not matter. How can you say his age doesn't matter in such a case just because it has been debunked? If there's any evidence the guy consented, I'm sorry, he chances of winning the case would be extremely thin. Relatives apart, many kidney donor all over the world do it for money and not because having one kidney is thier life ambition. It's not illegal. So the "goodness of his heart" part would be a tough one to go by. Even if it stands, I doubt it can fetch the senator a serious punishment. |
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by 735i(m): 3:26pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
FreeStuffsNG: This is the most stupid post i have read on Nairaland!!! 2 Likes |
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by 1stGenAmerican(f): 3:26pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
Agadinaagwuofe: There is no information on the ruling by those “journalists and representatives”, just a general statement that anyone could’ve made. The credible sources say that the doctor became suspicious of the boy’s age yet they said nothing about the boy making the claim. When is the bail hearing because what credible sources are reporting is that the judge has ordered them to remain in custody until August. 1 Like |
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by 1stGenAmerican(f): 3:27pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
Abujason: I live among Oyibo so I’m aware of their ways. The documents and forms were submitted by the Senator, not the boy. Am I expected to believe that this boy was able to apply for and be granted a visa on his own? No Sir. 2 Likes |
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by etrange: 3:27pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
Nozino: Hehe... Nairaland people. You think those doing the hearing get to decide when they want to do so and when they don't? OK, I hear you bro. |
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by nduchucks: 3:28pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
thunder74: The boy's lawyers can rightfully claim that the boy's life is at risk, were he to be deported. As for Ekwemeredu and his wife, there is more than 50٪ probability that they will be imprisoned. The judge should deny the bail application as Ekwemeredu poses a flight risk. 1 Like |
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by Nozino: 3:30pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
etrange: If it is proven that he was offered financial incentives to “donate” his kidney, your darling criminal senator and his wife will go to jail. For a child whom you claim was born in the year 2000, why don’t we have his record? This criminal has been in the senate for years . If only he initiated a bill to ensure all Children born in Nigeria have all their information captured, we won’t be here, arguing about his age. For me, I’d wait till there’s an official interview from the young boy. Till then, he is 15 and the senator is a criminal. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by etrange: 3:31pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
Morphinne: Exactly, the guy is shady. I understand we don't like our politicians. I couldn't care less about the senator myself. I'm not even sure the UK Court has the jurisdiction to jail him over there. And if they send him back to Nigeria, we all know he'd walk free, guilty or not. Nevertheless, it's only pertinent that the case is judged logically and not emotionally. 2 Likes |
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by 1stGenAmerican(f): 3:33pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
etrange: Sir, the boy is not trying to win a case. The burden of proof is on the prosecution, not the boy, and the prosecution isn’t relying on the testimony of a young non-citizen. The prosecution is relying on the evidence that they clearly have gathered. Selling a kidney is illegal and the UK courts no that no young man who has no money to afford the lifelong medical care a kidney donor requires would ever offer to donate a kidney to a non-relative out of kindness. 2 Likes |
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by Morphinne: 3:33pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
Nozino:No boss/ma Like I said earlier, I’m not picking sides with anyone and if you had read my first comment, you would have seen that I blamed the senator too for choosing a vulnerable, homeless and hungry boy for the deal without any legal representatives. I’m just concerned about trust. You can no longer trust anyone in Nigeria. If the boy intentional lied on his National ID to be 21 in Nigeria and suddenly, this same boy claimed to be 15 on getting to the UK, then there’s a problem and so it is very RELEVANT my friend. In every criminal investigation, nothing is irrelevant and no question is too big to ask. Also, the Ekweremadus should be investigated thoroughly for their choice of donor like I pointed out earlier. Why on earth will I choose to blindly support a Nigerian politician Biko ? They’re all filthy. Btw, I hate Ekweremadu and every other Nigerian politician pass you because their actions and inactions have taken more lives than death itself. I don’t wish them good and our anger towards them is very justifiable but at times, we need to put sentiments aside and judge like the higher animals that we are. We shouldn’t promote the growing trend of distrust and lies among Nigerians all because we want him (Ike) roasted. |
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by Abujason: 3:34pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
1stGenAmerican: If you truly live overseas, who completed your arrival documents when you first landed in a foreign country? Was it you or someone else? Who signed your arrival documents? Was it you or someone else? Who provided the fake date of birth on his passport? Him or someone else? Who affirmed the fake date of birth on the passport application? Who declared himself underage just to be placed in foster care? Look bros, you may live abroad but there are things I know a lot more about than you. But let’s leave it at that. |
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by etrange: 3:40pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
Nozino: You think anyone that has a contrary opinion is siding with the senator? You guys are so emotional. If a mentally stable adult is given money to donate his kidney, that's not illegal. You don't like the senator and he hasn't done well in terms of record keeping, that's all valid. But all those things have no bearing in this case. The "kid" can remain 15 to you forever, but you are the judge. The court has ruled and that's all that matters. We can now move on to the issue of consent. I couldn't care less about the senator. I don't stay in Nigeria, I don't even know him. To me, he's just a man in this case and if he's guilty, I pray he rots in jail. If he's not, I don't see why I'd want him to go to jail for a crime he didn't commit just so that a young man could get asylum. That's just logical. |
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by Nozino: 3:41pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
Abujason: It’s how you can’t imagine that the person who applied for a visa for him, can fake a birth certificate or age declaration. Does that guy look like someone that would cough out thousands for a passport? To do what? Thank God this crime was committed in the UK and not Nigeria. God forbid some people 3 Likes |
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by 1stGenAmerican(f): 3:43pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
Abujason: I was born here, the medical records clerk at the hospital that I was born in and my parents completed my birth documents. Vital records were verified before they were used to complete my birth documents. The boy/young man/elderly man is not in the hot seat. Educated Nigerians with connections and money apply for visas using truthful information and are rejected almost daily but you feel this person who had no money, no connections, and very little education was cunning enough to apply, produce costly fake documents, and be approved for a visa? I don’t. 3 Likes |
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by Nozino: 3:43pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
etrange: Not according to British law. It is a crime to offer monetary incentives to organ donors. How else should we say this for you to understand? 4 Likes |
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by TheEnforcer: 3:44pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
descarado:What does that mean |
Re: David Ukpo not a minor, Court rules by etrange: 3:46pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
1stGenAmerican: If the boy is lied about his age and about his consent, he's trying to win a case. If he's accusing the senator of misleading him, the burden of proof also lies on him. If he consented to "donating" his kidney, the financial incentives wouldn't be enough to outrightly prove it was a trade. A ruling was done today based on gathered evidence (contrary to the notion that he was a minor). The best we can do is to wait for the next ruling instead of jumping into conclusions. You didn't provide the card indicating he's 41. |
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