Hostkene:
1. Means you don't know what you're saying.

2. What then do you call them? Since you were posing the prophecy my frnd got as "coincidence",,, and since you said pastors and soothsayers use same trick... What do you call them then?

1. This isn't about me but about you not being satisified with that said by Jesus Christ, the one who is the Truth of God - John 14 vs 6.

2. They are soothsayers and psychics. Pastors using tricks used by soothsayers doesn't then mean pastors and soothsayers are on the same level at all.

Kobojunkie:
1. This isn't about me but about you not being satisified with that said by Jesus Christ, the one who is the Truth of God - John 14 vs 6.

2. They are soothsayers and psychics. Pastors using tricks used by soothsayers doesn't then mean pastors and soothsayers are on the same level at all.

1. The Bible verse you quoted does not relate to Jesus not giving pastors gift of vision. Out of point.

2. So what's your point?? You said the prophecies are lies... You suggested me to visit the soothsayers instead.

Yet you said both are using the same tricks but why do you call those soothsayers in pastors disguise liers? ... I'm confused, explain.

Hostkene:
1. The Bible verse you quoted does not relate to Jesus not giving pastors gift of vision. Out of point.

2. So what's your point?? You said the prophecies are lies... You suggested me to visit the soothsayers instead.

Yet you said both are using the same tricks but why do you call those soothsayers in pastors disguise liers? ... I'm confused, explain.

1. There is no special bible verse for your pastors. Jesus Christ gave to all of His followers the same powers, so your pastors who claim to have different powers do so besides Jesus Christ, as I already more than explained at this point in the discourse.

2. My point is to go to the source to find the answers you seek. These ideas are pagan and the psychics and soothsayers are better resources as far as digging down to the answers you seek.

Kobojunkie:
1. This isn't about me but about you not being satisified with that said by Jesus Christ, the one who is the Truth of God - John 14 vs 6.

2. They are soothsayers and psychics. Pastors using tricks used by soothsayers doesn't then mean pastors and soothsayers are on the same level at all.

1. One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. We had propehts during the time of Jesus in the Bible whom Jesus spoke through to us.

2. You detailed the prophecy my frnd received from different pastors as lies to chop money from him.

You said those prophets are copying the tricks from soothsayers and according to you, you suggested soothsayers to me as a good source. Have you forgotten different pastors said the same thing, so how then are the prophecies lies? You are way speaking off track man

Kobojunkie:
1. There is no special bible verse for your pastors. Jesus Christ gave to all of His followers the same powers, so your pastors who claim to have different powers do so besides Jesus Christ, as I already more than explained at this point in the discourse.

2. My point is to go to the source to find the answers you seek. These ideas are pagan and the psychics and soothsayers are better resources as far as digging down to the answers you seek.

1. Who claimed my pastors has different powers? Or I just mentioned that the pastor gave him a propehcy??

2. Go to which source Soothsayers will digg to give me answers I seek... But it was you who said that those prophecies they give are lies so as to rip you money?

Kobojunkie:
1. There is no special bible verse for your pastors. Jesus Christ gave to all of His followers the same powers, so your pastors who claim to have different powers do so besides Jesus Christ, as I already more than explained at this point in the discourse.

2. My point is to go to the source to find the answers you seek. These ideas are pagan and the psychics and soothsayers are better resources as far as digging down to the answers you seek.

Jesus gave all of them same powers, but I mentioned that different pastors were giving the same exact propehcy... What are the different powers here

Bro no offense? Are you high or feeling sleepy?

Hostkene:
1. One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. We had propehts during the time of Jesus in the Bible whom Jesus spoke through to us.

2. You detailed the prophecy my frnd received from different pastors as lies to chop money from him.

3. You said those prophets are copying the tricks from soothsayers and according to you, you suggested soothsayers to me as a good source. Have you forgotten different pastors said the same thing, so how then are the prophecies lies? You are way speaking off track man

1. So, you say it is a gift and not power. Well, according to Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit will take from that which belongs to Him to give His followers meaning that even the sight they see will have to do with the theme that is the Kingdom of God, which Jesus Christ is about. In Luke 9 vs 27 and Matthew 16 vs 28, we read that those who have Jesus Christ will even see visions of Jesus Christ coming in His glory. However, there is no mention of the Holy Spirit giving followers of Jesus Christ the ability to peer into people's private lives.

2. Again, I said they were lies from pastors who were themselves proclaimed liars by Jesus Christ - John 16 vs 1 - 16 and Ezekizel 34 vs 1 - 16.

3. Again, for the umpteenth time, the prophets are liars aka false prophets and false teachers Jesus Christ warned His followers to steer clear of. And so, their claims are lies. If what you seek are pagan ideas such as those, then seek out the pagan experts in such things instead.

Hostkene:
1. Jesus gave all of them same powers, but I mentioned that different pastors were giving the same exact propehcy... What are the different powers here

Bro no offense? Are you high or feeling sleepy?

1. Jesus Christ did not give anyone power to peer into the private lives of individuals, or for any individual gain. Different pastors telling you the same thing, that has absolutely nothing to do with what Jesus Christ called them for or gave them permission to do in His name does not change the fact that what these men did has nothing to do with Jesus Christ, to begin with.

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ did not give anyone power to peer into the private lives of individuals, or for any individual gain. Different pastors telling you the same thing, that has absolutely nothing to do with what Jesus Christ called them for or gave them permission to do in His name does not change the fact that what these men did has nothing to do with Jesus Christ, to begin with.

This conversation is getting tiring.

Kobojunkie:
1. So, you say it is a gift and not power. Well, according to Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit will take from that which belongs to Him to give His followers meaning that even the sight they see will have to do with the theme that is the Kingdom of God, which Jesus Christ is about. In Luke 9 vs 27 and Matthew 16 vs 28, we read that those who have Jesus Christ will even see visions of Jesus Christ coming in His glory. However, there is no mention of the Holy Spirit giving followers of Jesus Christ the ability to peer into people's private lives.

2. Again, I said they were lies from pastors who were themselves proclaimed liars by Jesus Christ - John 16 vs 1 - 16 and Ezekizel 34 vs 1 - 16.

3. Again, for the umpteenth time, the prophets are liars aka false prophets and false teachers Jesus Christ warned His followers to steer clear of. And so, their claims are lies. If what you seek are pagan ideas such as those, then seek out the pagan experts in such things instead.

1. Your Bible verse still has nothing to do with what you said - you said Jesus never paired any form of power to his followers. What's the difference between gift and power?

Provide a Bible verse which explains that.

2. I only mentioned that my frnd got same prophecy from different pastors... Pastors proclamation and liars... What does it have to do with that my frnd got a prophecy from different pastors Which you said were all lies and coincidence.

3. You still haven't answered me why you suggested soothsayers to me and still said that pastor's are using soothsayers tricks, yet you claim that the prophecy my friend got from a pastor is false

This are the things I need answers to, not quoting out of point.

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ did not give anyone power to peer into the private lives of individuals, or for any individual gain. Different pastors telling you the same thing, that has absolutely nothing to do with what Jesus Christ called them for or gave them permission to do in His name does not change the fact that what these men did has nothing to do with Jesus Christ, to begin with.

For different pastors who has the gift of vision to give you a warning that this or that was going to happen Where did they get the power from??

And why do differently pastors who has Same gift keeps telling you the same thing everywhere you go

Speak on point

OneCandleAway:


This conversation is getting tiring.

He is beating around, still yet to give an answer to what he said were lies.

Hostkene:
1. Your Bible verse still has nothing to do with what you said - you said Jesus never paired any form of power to his followers. What's the difference between gift and power?

Provide a Bible verse which explains that.
2. I only mentioned that my frnd got same prophecy from different pastors... Pastors proclamation and liars... What does it have to do with that my frnd got a prophecy from different pastors Which you said were all lies and coincidence.
3. You still haven't answered me why you suggested soothsayers to me and still said that pastor's are using soothsayers tricks, yet you claim that the prophecy my friend got from a pastor is false
This are the things I need answers to, not quoting out of point.

It seems you want answers tailored to your ear in this but I am afraid those answers are not going to come from me in this. I have told you all I can regarding these things. It is up to you to then decide what God you serve and how to move forward from there.

Kobojunkie:
It seems you want answers tailored to your ear in this but I am afraid those answers are not going to come from me in this. I have told you all I can regarding these things. It is up to you to then decide what God you serve and how to move forward from there.

You doubted the prophecy which my frnd got.

He is dead, you still tagged it as "coincidence"

You said I should visit babalawo or soothsayers for the detailed truth,

Yet you said that pastors uses the same trick as soothsayers which means that the prophecy was true? Since you believe in soothsayers?

Then why were you saying that the prophecy he got from different pastors are lies Even when it has happened clearly??

Seems like you're confused or maybe refusing to admit what you know.

MISHIGAS!

Kobojunkie:

That actually happened to me. Different pastors tried to convince my folks that I was wrong and had demons. I lived in that shadow for a while in Nigeria but fortunately, I escaped and now realize they were all frauds. What they said amounted to bullsheet and I am glad I never paid attention to their bullsheet.

I explained earlier that these ideas you speak of are pagan in origin and you are better off visiting a Babalawo for answers than seeking understanding from pastors in these things. Why? Because I speak from both experience and knowledge of God of scripture. You decide what you will do what I say. I can't help you since I don't believe in destiny.

THE REAL "FAKES" ARE THOSE FOOLS WHO THINK THAT THEY CAN AND SHOULD HIRE ANOTHER HUMAN BEING TO INTERFACE WITH GOD FOR THEM- BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO INTENTION OF EVER DOING SO THEMSELVES.

. MATTHEW 23:1-15.

THEN Spake Jesus to the multitude,
and to his Disciples,

2. Saying,
"The scribes and the Pharisees
sit in Moses' seat:
3. "All therefore whatsoever
they bid you observe,
that observe and do;
but do not ye
after their works:
for they say, and do not.
4. "For they bind heavy burdens
and grievous to be borne,
and lay them on men's shoulders;
but they themselves
will not move them
with one of their fingers.
5. "But all their works
they do for to be seen of men:
they make broad their phylacteries,
and enlarge the borders
of their garments,
6. "And love the Uppermost Rooms
at feasts,
and the Chief Seats in the Synagogues,
7. "And greetings in the markets,
and to be called of men, 'Rabbi, Rabbi.'
8. "But be not ye called 'Rabbi:'
for one is your Master, even Christ;
and all ye are Brethren.
9. "And call no man your father
upon the Earth:
for one is your Father,
Which is in Heaven.
10. "Neither be ye called masters:
for one is your Master,
even Christ.
11. "But he that is greatest among you
shall be your servant.
12. "And whosoever shall exalt himself
shall be abased;
and he that shall humble himself
shall be exalted.
13. "But woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
Hypocrites!
for ye shut up
The Kingdom of Heaven
against men:
for ye neither go in yourselves,
neither suffer ye them
that are entering to go in.
14. "Woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
Hypocrites!
For ye devour widows' houses,
and for a pretence
make long prayer:
therefore ye shall receive
The Greater Damnation.
15. "Woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
Hypocrites!
for ye compass Sea and Land
to make one proselyte,
and when he is made,
ye make him
twofold more
The Child of Hell
than yourselves."

. LUKE 16:1-15.

AND he Said also unto his Disciples,

"There was a certain rich man,
which had a steward;
and the same was accused unto him
that he had wasted his goods.
2. "And he called him,
and said unto him,

'HOW IS IT THAT
I HEAR THIS OF THEE?
GIVE AN ACCOUNT
OF THY STEWARDSHIP;
FOR THOU MAYEST BE
NO LONGER STEWARD.'

3. "Then the steward said
within himself,

'WHAT SHALL I DO?
FOR MY LORD
TAKETH AWAY FROM ME
THE STEWARDSHIP:
I CANNOT DIG,
TO BEG I AM ASHAMED.
4. 'I AM RESOLVED
WHAT TO DO,
THAT, WHEN I AM
PUT OUT OF THE STEWARDSHIP,
THEY MAY RECEIVE ME
INTO THEIR HOUSES.'

5. "So he called every one
of his lord's debtors unto him,
and said unto the first,

'HOW MUCH OWEST THOU
UNTO MY LORD?'

6. "And he said,

'AN HUNDRED MEASURES OF OIL.'

And he said unto him,

'TAKE THY BILL,
AND SIT DOWN QUICKLY,
AND WRITE FIFTY.'

7. "Then said he to another,

'AND HOW MUCH
OWEST THOU?'

And he said,

'AN HUNDRED MEASURES OF WHEAT.'

And he said unto him,

'TAKE THY BILL,
AND WRITE FOURSCORE.'

8. "And the lord commended
the Unjust Steward,
because he had done wisely:
for the Children of this World
are in their Generation
wiser than the Children of Light.
9. "And I Say unto you,

'MAKE TO YOURSELVES FRIENDS
OF THE MAMMON
OF UNRIGHTEOUSNESS;
THAT, WHEN YE FAIL,
THEY MAY RECIEVE YOU
INTO EVERLASTING HABITATIONS.'

10. "He that is Faithful
in that which is Least
is Faithful also in Much:
and he that is Unjust
in the Least
is Unjust also in Much.
11. "If therefore ye have not been
Faithful in the Unrighteous Mammon,
who will commit to your trust
The True Riches?
12. "And if ye have not
been Faithful
in that which is
another man's,
who shall give you
that which is your own?
13. "No Servant can
serve two Masters:
for either he will hate the one,
and love the other;
or else he will hold to the one,
and despise the other.
Ye cannot serve God and Mammon."

14. And the Pharisees also,
who were Covetous,
heard all these things,
and they derided him.
15. And he Said unto them,

"Ye are they
which justify yourselves
before Men;
but God knoweth
your hearts:
for that which is
Highly Esteemed
amongst Men
is Abomination
in The Sight of God."

Hostkene:


Difference men of God? Are you trying to say that they were all lies??

Different pastors to just randomly stand you up and tell you the same thing for free? And yet same thing still happened??

I still don't understand what you're trying to insunate about pastors who give prophecies. You think everyone is fake? You probably mean that God doesn't exist? It's well. Did has been done.

ATHEISTS INVARIABLY EXPLAIN TESTIMONIES OF THE SUPERNATURAL AS DELUSIONS AND LIES.

Hostkene:

Sorry for sounding rude.

I just lost a childhood friend who has been through alot, doubting me is what I least expect from anyone

LOSSES ARE INEVITABLE SINCE OUR PARENTS CONSENTED TO LET SATAN AND THE EARTH HAVE DOMINION OVER US.

. GENESIS 1:26-28.

26. And God Said,

"Let us make Man in Our Image,
after Our Likeness:
and let them have Dominion
over the Fish of the Sea,
and over the Fowl of the Air,
and over the Cattle,
and over all the Earth,
and over every Creeping Thing
that Creepeth upon the Earth.
27. So God created Man
in His Own Image,
in The Image of God
created He him;
male and female created He them.
28. And God Blessed them,
and God said unto them,

"Be fruitful, and multiply,
and replenish the Earth,
and subdue It:
and have Dominion
over the Fish of the Sea,
and over the Fowl of the Air,
and over every Living Thing
that moveth upon the Earth.”

Hostkene:


Difference men of God? Are you trying to say that they were all lies??

Different pastors to just randomly stand you up and tell you the same thing for free? And yet same thing still happened??

I still don't understand what you're trying to insunate about pastors who give prophecies. You think everyone is fake? You probably mean that God doesn't exist? It's well. Did has been done.

ATHEISTS BELIEVE WHAT THEY WANT TO BELIEVE- AND THINK THAT THAT IS "FREEDOM."

. MATTHEW 18:15-20.

15. "Moreover if thy Brother
shall trespass against thee,
go and tell him his fault
between thee and him alone:
if he shall hear thee,
thou hast gained thy Brother.
16. "But if he will not hear thee,
then take with thee one or two more,

'THAT IN THE MOUTH
OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES
EVERY WORD
MAY BE ESTABLISHED.'

17. "And if he shall neglect
to hear them,
tell it unto the Church:
but if he neglect to hear the Church,
let him be unto thee
as an Heathen man and a Publican.
18. "Verily I Say unto you,

'WHATSOEVER YE SHALL
BIND ON EARTH
SHALL BE BOUND IN HEAVEN:
AND WHATSOEVER YE SHALL
LOOSE ON EARTH
SHALL BE LOOSED IN HEAVEN.'

19. "Again I Say unto you,

'THAT IF TWO OF YOU
SHALL AGREE ON EARTH
AS TOUCHING ANY THING
THAT THEY SHALL ASK,
IT SHALL BE DONE FOR THEM
OF MY FATHER
WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.'

20. "For where two or three
are gathered together
in my Name,
there am I
in the midst of them."

Kobojunkie:

For me, destiny does not work as far as a general explanation for life and existence as a whole. It only seems to work if you myopically focus on just some aspects of it you want to, ignoring the bigger picture. It is like a sort of delusion that one has to subscribe to in order for it to even compute and only for a bit even. And I have been in my own mind long enough to know and realize that such delusions aren't worth it.

DESTINY IS CAUSED BY A DYNAMIC DETERMINING YOUR FATE- INSTEAD OF YOU CONTROLLING YOUR FUTURE.

. DIANETICS AXIOMS.

THE Source of Life is a static
of peculiar and particular properties

[A LIFE STATIC has no size,
no shape, no mass, no temperature,
no frequency, nor any other physical property.]

2. At least a portion of the static
called life is impinged upon
the Physical Universe.
3. That portion of the Static of Life
which is impinged upon
the Physical Universe
has for its Dynamic Goal
SURVIVAL and ONLY Survival.
4. The Physical Universe
is reducible to motion of energy
operating in Space through Time.
5. That portion of the Static of Life
concerned with the Life Organisms
of the Physical Universe
is concerned WHOLLY with MOTION.

22. Theta and Thought
are similar orders of static.
23. All Thought is concerned
with Motion.
26. Thought is accomplished
by Theta Facsimiles
of Physical Universe,
Entities or Actions.

99. Theta Facsimiles can recombine
into new symbols.
100. Language is the symbolization
of effort.
101. Language depends for its force
upon the force which accompanied
its definition.

[Note: Counter-effort, not language, is aberrative.]

109. Behavior is modified
by Counter-Efforts which have
impinged on the Organism.

115. SELF-DETERMINISM is
the Theta Control of the Organism.
116. A SELF-DETERMINED EFFORT
is that Counter-Effort
which has been received
into the Organism in the Past
and integrated into the organism
for its Conscious Use.

119. Agreement with any Source,
contra- or pro-survival,
postulates a New Reality
for the organism.
120. Non-Survival Courses,
Thoughts and Actions
require Non-Optimum Effort.
121. Every Thought has been preceded
by Physical Action.
122. The Mind does with Thought
as it has done with entities
in the Physical Universe.

127. All perceptions reaching
the organism's sense channels
are recorded and stored by Theta Facsimile.

Definition: Perception is the process
of recording data from
the Physical Universe and storing it
as a Theta Facsimile.

Definition: Recall is the process
of regaining Perceptions.
128. Any organism can recall
everything which it has perceived.

. THE EIGHT DYNAMICS:

1. SELF; 2. FAMILY; 3. GROUPS; 4. ALL MANKIND; 5. ALL LIVING THINGS; 6. THE MEST (Matter, Energy, Space, Time - i.e. PHYSICAL) UNIVERSE; 32. SPIRITS; 40. GOD.

. THE SIX LEVELS OF EXISTENCE.

1. BELIEFS; 2. THOUGHTS; 3. WORDS; 4. PHYSICAL ACTIONS; 5. POSTULATES; 6. TOTAL UNDERSTANDING.

. THE EIGHT LEVELS OF LIFE FORCE.

1. ALPHA, the 7th Heaven.
2. BETA, the 6th Heaven.
3. GAMMA, the 5th Heaven.
4. DELTA, the 4th Heaven.
5. EPSILON, the 3rd Heaven.
6. ZETA, the 2nd Heaven.
7. ETA, the 1st Heaven.
8. THETA, the Earth Universe.

[See: SCIENTOLOGY 0-8: The Book of Basics, by L. Ron Hubbard (1970).]

. THE NINE TIME VECTORS.

PAST to PAST; PAST to PRESENT; PAST to FUTURE.
PRESENT to PAST; PRESENT to PRESENT; PRESENT to FUTURE.
FUTURE to PAST; FUTURE to PRESENT; FUTURE to FUTURE.

[See: EXCALIBUR REVISITED, by Geoffrey Filbert.]

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Kobojunkie:

For me, destiny does not work as far as a general explanation for life and existence as a whole. It only seems to work if you myopically focus on just some aspects of it you want to, ignoring the bigger picture. It is like a sort of delusion that one has to subscribe to in order for it to even compute and only for a bit even. And I have been in my own mind long enough to know and realize that such delusions aren't worth it.

YOUR MIND IS TOO WEAK TO HANDLE THE REALITY OF THE SPIRITUAL ABILITY TO CONTROL REALITY.

Kobojunkie:

1. Pretty much! My mother used to visit most any popular man of God in search for answers back then. I hated every one of those trips because I was left even more depressed after each, wondering why I was made faulty and what it was all for, to begin with.

2. They all said nonsense and nonsense it all amounted to at the end of the day. Of course, there were the few who the stones thrown out by those that day hit -they went away singing praises of the same pastors - but those of us who got shit cast on us went on downcast, wondering what was wrong with us.

3. In Christiandom, the power is meant to come from God Himself, not from Babalawos. So, when you find a Christian who claims to be a pastor using babalawo powers, you already know such a one is a fake pastor. A fraud is a fraud no matter what.

IT WAS YOUR MOTHER'S JOB TO TEACH YOU HOW TO SEE THE FUTURE.

Her deception is her own fault.

She was the fraud.

Hostkene:


I've always had clear experience with pastors...

Whether fake pastor or not, the main question is - "can he see"? If he can see properly, than I have no issues with that.

You've had bad experiences with pastors, I'm still yet to encounter one. I believe there is God and I believe we still have pastors who has the gift of vision

NOT ONE OF THOSE PASTORS EVER TAUGHT YOU HOW TO SEE VISIONS.

oaroloye:

. JOSHUA 1:8.

8. "This Book of The Law
shall not depart
out of thy mouth
but thou shalt meditate
therein day and night,
that thou mayest do
according to all
that is written therein:
for then thou shalt
make thy way prosperous,
and then thou shalt have
Good Success."

Kobojunkie:

Which God do you claim to believe in? Because the God of Christian Scripture, whom you claim to believe in, did not give His followers power to see into the private lives of individuals as your seers and Babalawos do. So, you need to know who exactly your God is.

First, resolve your God issues, then you resolve the fact that in God's eyes, those pastors you claim to have had a good experience with are all of them false prophets. Then maybe you will begin to see that what you claim may not be as you have imagined them at all.

ATHEISTS WILL TELL ANY LIES TO SUPPORT THEIR AGENDA.

. JOHN 14:12.

12. "Verily, verily,
I Say unto you,

'HE THAT BELIEVETH ON ME,
THE WORKS THAT I DO
SHALL HE DO ALSO;'

and Greater (Works)
than these shall he do;
because I go
unto my Father."

Hostkene:

Oh, no pastors have the gift of vision??

Where in the Bible exactly please?

Cos I'm yet to understand why different pastors would fish you out and tell you the same thing others have been telling you... This is yet to be answered.

Last time I checked, a witch doesn't want you dead, rather it wants you to live and SUFFER.

concerning my second paragraph, lemme know where in the Bible exactly...

THE DEVILS FEED OFF OF FRUSTRATION, PAIN, AND DEATH- WITCHES CAN BE ORDERED TO CAUSE ANY OF THOSE IN EXCHANGE FOR UNNECESSARY DATA AND APPARENT POWERS.

Kobojunkie:

1. The power you have in Jesus Christ is given to you by Him and there is no record in the Gospels of Jesus Christ giving His followers power to see into the personal lives of others.
2. Soothsayers and Psychics have done pretty much that for the longest. Those you call pastors simply copied those tricks to use on the gullible is what.

3. I don't know about that. Even the average individual out there harbors ill will towards his fellow men, so?

ATHEISTS TELL ANY LIES TO FURTHER THEIR AGENDAS.

. JOHN 14:23-26.

23. Jesus Answered
and Said unto him,

"If a man love me,
he will keep my Words:
and my Father will love him,
and we will come unto him,
and make our abode with him.
24. "He that loveth me not
keepeth not my Sayings:
and The Word which ye hear
is not mine,
but The Father's which sent me.
25. "These things have I
Spoken unto you,
being yet present with you.
26. "But the Comforter,
Which is The Holy Ghost,
Whom The Father
will send in my Name,
He shall Teach you All Things,
and bring All Things
to your remembrance,
whatsoever I have
Said unto you."

. JOHN 16:12-15.

12. "I have yet many things
to Say unto you,
but ye cannot bear them now.
13. "Howbeit when He,
The Spirit of Truth,
is come,
He will guide you
into all Truth:
for He shall not
Speak of Himself;
but whatsoever
He shall hear,
that shall He speak:
and He will shew you
Things to come.
14. "He shall glorify me:
for He shall receive of mine,
and shall shew It unto you.
15. "All things
that The Father hath
are mine:
therefore Said I,

'THAT HE SHALL
TAKE OF MINE,
AND SHALL SHEW IT
UNTO YOU.' "

. ACTS 5:1-9.

BUT a certain man
named Ananias,
with Sapphira his wife,
sold a possession,
2. And kept back part
of the price,
his wife also being privy to it,
and brought a certain part,
and laid it at the Apostles' feet.
3. But Peter said,

"Ananias, why hath Satan
filled thine heart
to lie to the Holy Ghost,
and to keep back part
of the price of the land?
4. "Whiles it remained,
was it not thine own?
And after it was sold,
was it not
in thine own power?
Why hast thou conceived
this thing
in thine heart?
Thou hast not lied unto men,
but unto God."

5. And Ananias
hearing these words fell down,
and gave up the ghost:
and great fear
came on all them
that heard these things.
6. And the young men arose,
wound him up,
and carried him out,
and buried him.
7. And it was about the space
of three hours after,
when his wife,
not knowing what was done,
came in.
8. And Peter answered
unto her,

"Tell me whether
ye sold the land
for so much?"

And she said,

"Yea, for so much."

9. Then Peter said unto her,

"How is it that ye
have agreed together
to tempt
The Spirit of The Lord?
Behold,
the feet of them
which have buried
thy husband
are at the door,
and shall carry thee out."

THIS TESTIMONY IS WELL-KNOWN: CEPHAS CLAIMED TO HAVE SEEN INTO THE PERSONAL LIVES OF TWO DISCIPLES.

Which you claimed there was no record of.

Hostkene:
Even tho my friend was very careful...

He was shot last Sunday night, and that was what motivated me to make this post...

What lead to his death? He had an issue with a POS girl who stays opposite his work shop. The girl involved her brother, who might have arranged group of boys who shot him.

You guys are yet to answer my questions, rather you're opposing the fact that the prophecies he received were true.

What lead to my question was - For the past 2yrs now, he avoided any male friend and had nothing to do with cultists... Yet what the propehcy came to pass

Does that mean that to die was actually his fate

I'm really sorry about your friend. I had no idea he passed away. My condolences to you, and to his family.

I'd rather not discuss the life of someone who just recently passed on nairaland like this

But to kind of backpedal and address the main topic. The whole destiny thing doesn't really hold up.

I've seen people that have been told the “death surrounding you" thing and survived. And people who did not.

The truth of the matter is, everyday we live, is a day we don't die. I don't believe anyone can have death surrounding him in that sense. Anyone can meet unfortunate circumstances. You don't need an alleged prophet to tell you that.

Once again, I'm really sorry about your friend. If there is an afterlife, i hope he finds peace in it

Hostkene:
But how could you address as it as alleged When different prophets from different places tells you the same thing

Sometimes your face carries your problems and people tell you things based on your facial expression. When I use to dress like pastor in those days, many people have told me that I will someday become a pastor. I knew of a guy whose face is like that of a clown and many people have told him he should become a comedian. Now he is a full time comedian and making waves. Everything on earth has waves. Your waves can sometimes be detected by anybody who has the gift of wave detecting, irrespective of whether they call themselves prophets, dibia or not.

Most of the people that called themselves prophet are fake. They use diabolic powers. They can tell you the problem but cannot solve it.

MISHIGAS!

. GENESIS 1:26-28.

26. And God Said,

"Let us make Man in Our Image,
after Our Likeness:
and let them have Dominion
over the Fish of the Sea,
and over the Fowl of the Air,
and over the Cattle,
and over all the Earth,
and over every Creeping Thing
that Creepeth upon the Earth.
27. So God created Man
in His Own Image,
in The Image of God
created He him;
male and female created He them.
28. And God Blessed them,
and God said unto them,

"Be fruitful, and multiply,
and replenish the Earth,
and subdue It:
and have Dominion
over the Fish of the Sea,
and over the Fowl of the Air,
and over every Living Thing
that moveth upon the Earth.”

GOD CREATED MAN TO HAVE DOMINION OVER THE EARTH AND ITS CREATURES.

This implies the Power to DETERMINE THEIR FATE.

. LEVITICUS 11:1-47.

AND The LORD Spoke
unto Moses and to Aaron,
Saying unto them,
2. “Speak unto the Children of Israel,
saying,

'THESE ARE THE BEASTS
WHICH YE SHALL EAT
AMONG ALL THE BEASTS
THAT ARE ON THE EARTH.'

3. "Whatsoever parteth the hoof
and is cloven-footed
and cheweth the cud
among the Beasts,
that shall ye eat.
4. "Nevertheless these
shall ye not eat,
of those that chew the cud
or of those that divide the hoof:
the camel,
because he cheweth the cud
but divideth not the hoof,
he is unclean unto you;
5. "And the coney,
because he cheweth the cud
but divideth not the hoof,
he is unclean unto you;
6. "And the hare,
because he cheweth the cud
but divideth not the hoof,
he is unclean unto you;
7. "And the swine,
though he divide the hoof
and is cloven-footed,
yet he cheweth not the cud,
he is unclean to you.
8. "Of their flesh shall ye not eat,
and their carcass shall ye not touch;
they are unclean to you."
9. "These shall ye eat
of all that are in the waters:
whatsoever hath fins and scales
in the waters,
in the seas, and in the rivers,
them shall ye eat.
10. "And all that have not fins and scales
in the seas, and in the rivers,
of all that move in the waters,
and of any living thing
which is in the waters,
they shall be an abomination unto you:
11. "They shall be even
an abomination unto you;
ye shall not eat of their flesh,
but ye shall have their carcases
in abomination.
12. "Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales
in the waters,
that shall be an abomination unto you.
13. "And these are they
which ye shall have in abomination
among the Fowls;
they shall not be eaten,
they are an abomination:
the Eagle, and the Ossifrage,
and the Ospray,
14. "And the Vulture,
and the Kite after his kind;
15. "Every raven after his kind;
16. "And the Owl, and the Night Hawk,
and the Cuckow, and the Hawk
after his kind,
17. "And the little owl, and the cormorant,
and the great owl,"
18. "And the swan, and the pelican,
and the gier eagle,
19. "And the stork, the heron
after her kind,
and the lapwing, and the bat.
20. "All fowls that creep,
going upon all four,
shall be an abomination unto you.
21. "Yet these may ye eat
of every flying Creeping Thing
that goeth upon all four,
which have legs above their feet,
to leap withal upon the Earth;
22. "Even these of them ye may eat;
the locust after his kind,
and the bald locust after his kind,
and the beetle after his kind,
and the grasshopper after his kind.
23. "But all other flying Creeping Things,
which have four feet,
shall be an abomination
unto you.
24. "And for these
ye shall be unclean:
whosoever toucheth
the carcase of them
shall be unclean until the Even.
25. "And whosoever beareth
ought of the carcase of them
shall wash his clothes,
and be unclean until the Even.
26. "The carcases of every Beast
which divideth the hoof,
and is not clovenfooted,
nor cheweth the cud,
are unclean unto you:
every one that toucheth them
shall be unclean.
27. "And whatsoever goeth
upon his paws,
among all manner of Beasts
that go on all four,
those are unclean unto you:
whoso toucheth their carcase
shall be unclean until the Even.
28. "And he that beareth
the carcase of them
shall wash his clothes,
and be unclean until the Even:
they are unclean unto you.
29. "These also shall be
unclean unto you
among the Creeping Things
that creep upon the Earth;
the Weasel, and the Mouse,
and the Tortoise after his kind,
30. "And the Ferret, and the Chameleon,
and the Lizard, and the Snail,
and the Mole.
31. "These are unclean to you
among all that Creep:
whosoever doth touch them,
when they be dead,
shall be unclean until the Even.
32. "And upon whatsoever
any of them,
when they are dead,
doth fall,
it shall be unclean;
whether it be any vessel of wood,
or raiment,
or skin,
or sack,
whatsoever vessel it be,
wherein any work is done,
it must be put into water,
and it shall be unclean until the Even;
so it shall be cleansed.
33. "And every earthen vessel,
whereinto any of them falleth,
whatsoever is in it shall be unclean;
and ye shall break it.
34. "Of all meat which may be eaten,
that on which such water cometh
shall be unclean:
and all drink that may be drunk
in every such vessel
shall be unclean.
35. "And every thing
whereupon any part
of their carcase falleth
shall be unclean;
whether it be oven,
or ranges for pots,
they shall be broken down:
for they are unclean,
and shall be unclean unto you.
36. "Nevertheless a fountain or pit,
wherein there is plenty of water,
shall be clean:
but that which toucheth
their carcase shall be unclean.
37. "And if any part of their carcase
fall upon any sowing seed
which is to be sown,
it shall be clean.
38. "But if any water
be put upon the seed,
and any part of their carcase
fall thereon,
it shall be unclean unto you.
39. "And if any Beast,
of which ye may eat, die;
he that toucheth
the carcase thereof
shall be unclean until the Even.
40. "And he that eateth
of the carcase of it
shall wash his clothes,
and be unclean until the Even:
he also that beareth
the carcase of it shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the Even.
41. "And every Creeping Thing
that creepeth upon the Earth
shall be an abomination;
it shall not be eaten.
42. "Whatsoever goeth upon the belly,
and whatsoever goeth upon all four,
or whatsoever hath more feet
among all Creeping Things
that creep upon the Earth,
them ye shall not eat;
for they are an abomination.
43. "Ye shall not
make yourselves abominable
with any Creeping Thing that creepeth,
neither shall ye make yourselves
unclean with them,
that ye should be defiled thereby.
44. "For I am The LORD your God:
ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy;
for I am Holy:
neither shall ye defile yourselves
with any manner of Creeping Thing
that creepeth upon the Earth.
45. "For I am The LORD
that bringeth you up
out of the land of Egypt,
to be your God:
ye shall therefore be holy,
for I am Holy.
46. "This is The Law of the Beasts,
and of the Fowl,
and of every Living Creature
that moveth in the waters,
and of every Creature
that creepeth upon the Earth:
47. "To make a difference
between the unclean and the clean,
and between the Beast
that may be eaten
and the Beast
that may not be eaten."

THERE ARE CREATURES WE SHOULD NOT WANT TO BE PART OF US.

. THE EPISTLE OF BARNABAS 9:1-20.

BUT why did Moses say

"YE SHALL NOT EAT
OF THE SWINE,
NEITHER THE EAGLE
NOR THE HAWK;
NOR THE CROW;
NOR ANY FISH THAT HAS NOT
A SCALE UPON HIM?"

answer, that in the spiritual sense,
he comprehended three doctrines,
that were to be gathered from thence.

2. Besides which he says to them
in the Book of Deuteronomy,

"AND I WILL GIVE MY STATUTES
UNTO THIS PEOPLE."

Wherefore it is not
the Command of God
that they should
not eat these things;
but Moses in The Spirit
spake unto them.

3. Now the sow
he forbade them to eat;
meaning thus much;

Thou shalt not join thyself
to such persons as are
like unto swine;
who whilst they live in pleasure,
forget their God;
but when any want pinches them,
then they know The LORD;
as the sow when she is full
knows not her master;
but when she is hungry
she makes a noise;
and being again fed,
is silent.

4. "NEITHER,"

says he,

"SHALT THOU EAT THE EAGLE,
NOR THE HAWK,
NOR THE KITE,
NOR THE CROW;"

that is thou shalt not
keep company with
such kind of men as know not
how by their labour and sweat
to get themselves food:
but injuriously ravish away
the things of others;
and watch how,
to lay snares for them;
when at the same time
they appear to live
in perfect innocence.

5. [So these birds alone
seek not
food for themselves, but]
sitting idle seek how
they may eat of the flesh
others have provided;
being destructive
through their wickedness.

6. "NEITHER,"

says HE,

"SHALT THOU EAT THE LAMPREY,
NOR THE POLYPUS,
NOR THE CUTTLE-FISH;"

That is, thou shalt not
be like such men,
by using to converse with them;
who are altogether wicked
and adjudged to death.
For so those Fishes
are alone accursed,
and wallow in the mire,
nor swim as other fishes,
but tumble in the dirt
at the bottom of the deep.

7. "BUT"

He adds,

"NEITHER SHALT THOU
EAT OF THE HARE."

To what end?—To signify
this to us;

"THOU SHALT NOT
BE AN ADULTERER;
NOR LIKEN THYSELF
TO SUCH PERSONS."

For the Hare every year
multiplies the places
of its conception;
and so many years as it lives,
so many it has.

[j]8. "NEITHER SHALT THOU
EAT OF THE HYENA;"[/i]

That is, again,
be not an Adulterer,
nor a corruptor of others;
neither be like to such.
And wherefore so?

Because that creature
every year changes its kind,
and is sometimes male
and sometimes female.

9. For which cause
also he justly hated the Weasel;
to the end that they should
not be like such persons
who with their mouths
commit wickedness
by reason of their uncleanness;
nor join themselves
with those impure women,
who with their mouths
commit wickedness.
Because that animal
conceives with its mouth.

10. Moses, therefore,
speaking as concerning meats,
delivered indeed
three great precepts to them
in the spiritual signification
of those commands.
But they according to
the desires of the flesh,
understood him as if
he had only meant it of meats.

11. And therefore David
took aright
The Knowledge of
His threefold Command,
saying in like manner.

12. "BLESSED IS THE MAN
THAT HATH NOT WALKED
IN THE COUNSEL
OF THE UNGODLY;"

as the Fishes before mentioned
in the bottom of the deep in Darkness.

13. "NOR STOOD
IN THE WAY OF SINNERS,"

as they who seem
to fear The LORD,
but yet Sin,
as the Sow.

14. "AND HATH NOT SAT
IN THE SEAT
OF THE SCORNERS;"

as those Birds who sit
and watch that they may devour.

15. Here you have The Law
concerning meat
perfectly set forth,
and according to
The True Knowledge of it.

16. "BUT,"

says Moses,

"YE SHALL EAT ALL
THAT DIVIDETH THE HOOF,
AND CHEWETH THE CUD."

Signifying thereby
such an one as
having taken his food,
knows Him that nourisheth him;
and resting upon Him,
rejoiceth in Him.

17. And in this he spake well,
having respect
to The Commandment.
What, therefore, is it that he says?
—That we should hold fast to them
that fear The Lord;
with those who Meditate
on The Command of the Word
which they have received
in their heart;
with those that declare
The Righteous Judgments
of The LORD,
and keep His Commandments;

18. In short, with those
who know that to Meditate
is a work of pleasure,
and therefore exercise themselves in
the Word of The LORD.

19. But why might they eat
those that clave the hoof?
—Because the Righteous liveth
in this present World;
but his expectation is fixed
upon the other.
See, Brethren,
how admirably Moses
commanded these things.

20. But how should we
thus know all this,
and understand it?
We, therefore,
understanding aright
The Commandments,
speak as The LORD
would have us.
Wherefore He has
circumcised our ears
and our hearts,
that we might
Know these Things.

SINNERS ARE ON PAR WITH UNCLEAN ANIMALS.

Those who behave like Animals can be controlled, dominated, and destroyed by those who behave like Holy Human Beings.

Kobojunkie:

1. So, you say it is a gift and not power. Well, according to Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit will take from that which belongs to Him to give His followers meaning that even the sight they see will have to do with the theme that is the Kingdom of God, which Jesus Christ is about. In Luke 9 vs 27 and Matthew 16 vs 28, we read that those who have Jesus Christ will even see visions of Jesus Christ coming in His glory. However, there is no mention of the Holy Spirit giving followers of Jesus Christ the ability to peer into people's private lives.

YOU KNOW THAT THE BIBLE SAYS THAT CEPHAS SAW INTO THE LIVES OF ANANIAS AND SAPPHIRA!

But you pretend not to know.

. ACTS 5:1-9.

BUT a certain man
named Ananias,
with Sapphira his wife,
sold a possession,
2. And kept back part
of the price,
his wife also being privy to it,
and brought a certain part,
and laid it at the Apostles' feet.
3. But Peter said,

"Ananias, why hath Satan
filled thine heart
to lie to the Holy Ghost,
and to keep back part
of the price of the land?
4. "Whiles it remained,
was it not thine own?
And after it was sold,
was it not
in thine own power?
Why hast thou conceived
this thing
in thine heart?
Thou hast not lied unto men,
but unto God."

5. And Ananias
hearing these words fell down,
and gave up the ghost:
and great fear
came on all them
that heard these things.
6. And the young men arose,
wound him up,
and carried him out,
and buried him.
7. And it was about the space
of three hours after,
when his wife,
not knowing what was done,
came in.
8. And Peter answered
unto her,

"Tell me whether
ye sold the land
for so much?"

And she said,

"Yea, for so much."

9. Then Peter said unto her,

"How is it that ye
have agreed together
to tempt
The Spirit of The Lord?
Behold,
the feet of them
which have buried
thy husband
are at the door,
and shall carry thee out."

. JOHN 4:9-30.

9. Then saith the woman
of Samaria unto him,

"How is it that thou,
being a Jew,
askest drink of me,
which am a woman
of Samaria?"

For the Jews
have no dealings with
the Samaritans.

10. Jesus Answered
and Said unto her,

"If thou knewest
The Gift of God,
and who it is
that saith to thee,

'GIVE ME TO DRINK;'

"thou wouldest have
asked of him,
and he would have
given thee Living Water."

11. The woman saith
unto him,

"Sir, thou hast nothing
to draw with,
and the well is deep:
from whence then
hast thou that Living Water?
12. "Art thou greater than
our father Jacob,
which gave us the Well,
and drank thereof himself,
and his children,
and his cattle?"

13. Jesus Answered
and Said unto her,

"Whosoever drinketh
of this water
shall thirst again:
14. "But whosoever
drinketh of the Water
that I shall give him
shall never thirst;
but the water
that I shall give him
shall be in him
a Well of Water springing up
into Everlasting Life."

15. The woman saith
unto him,

"Sir, give me this water,
that I thirst not,
neither come hither to draw."

16. Jesus Saith unto her,

"Go, call thy husband,
and come hither."

17. The woman answered
and said,

"I have no husband."

Jesus Said unto her,

"Thou hast well said,

'I HAVE NO HUSBAND:'

18. "For thou hast had
five husbands;
and he whom thou
now hast is not thy husband:
in that saidst thou truly."

19. The woman saith unto him,

"Sir, I perceive that
thou art a prophet.
20. "Our fathers worshipped
in this mountain;
and ye say,
that in Jerusalem is the place
where men ought to worship."

21. Jesus Saith unto her,

"Woman, believe me,
the hour cometh,
when ye shall
neither in this mountain,
nor yet at Jerusalem,
worship The Father.
22. "Ye worship
ye know not what:
we know what we worship:
for Salvation is of the Jews.
23. "But the hour cometh,
and now is,
when The True Worshippers
shall worship The Father in Spirit
and in Truth:
for The Father seeketh such
to worship Him.
24. "God (is) a Spirit:
and they that worship Him
must worship (Him)
in Spirit and in Truth."

25. The woman saith unto him

"I know that Messias cometh,
which is called Christ:
when he is come,
he will tell us all things."

26. Jesus Saith unto her,

"I that Speak unto thee
am (he)."

27. And upon this came his Disciples,
and marvelled that
he talked with the woman:
yet no man said,

"WHAT SEEKEST THOU?"

or,

"WHY TALKEST THOU
WITH HER?"

28. The woman then
left her waterpot,
and went her way into the city,
and saith to the men,

29. "Come, see a man,
which told me all things
that ever I did:
is not this the Christ?"

30. Then they went out of the city,
and came unto him.

. JOHN 14:12.

12. "Verily, verily,
I Say unto you,

'HE THAT BELIEVETH ON ME,
THE WORKS THAT I DO
SHALL HE DO ALSO;'

and Greater (Works)
than these shall he do;
because I go
unto my Father."

LORD YESHUA SAW INTO THE PERSONAL LIVES OF PEOPLE WHOM HE MET.

He promised that those who believe on him will be able to do everything he ever did, and greater works than those things, because he has Ascended to God: The Father.

Kobojunkie:

2. Again, I said they were lies from pastors who were themselves proclaimed liars by Jesus Christ - John 16 vs 1 - 16 and Ezekizel 34 vs 1 - 16.

3. Again, for the umpteenth time, the prophets are liars aka false prophets and false teachers Jesus Christ warned His followers to steer clear of. And so, their claims are lies. If what you seek are pagan ideas such as those, then seek out the pagan experts in such things instead.

LORD YESHUA SAID THAT ANYONE NOT AGAINST HIM IS FOR HIM, AND THAT SATAN'S KINGDOM SHOULD NOT BE FIGHTING AGAINST ITSELF.

As bad as some of the seven Churches were, Lord Yeshua said that he held their Angels in his hands.

What therefore gives you the right to declare these Pastors to be Servants of The Devil?

To call The Holy Ghost Satan is THE UNPARDONABLE SIN.

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ did not give anyone power to peer into the private lives of individuals, or for any individual gain. Different pastors telling you the same thing, that has absolutely nothing to do with what Jesus Christ called them for or gave them permission to do in His name does not change the fact that what these men did has nothing to do with Jesus Christ, to begin with.

LORD YESHUA GIVES HIS FOLLOWERS THE POWER TO SEE INTO OTHER PEOPLE'S LIVES, FOR THEIR PERSONAL GAIN.

. MATTHEW 10:42.

42. "And whosoever shall
give to drink unto
one of these little ones
a cup of cold water only
in the Name of a Disciple,
verily I Say unto you,

'HE SHALL IN NO WISE
LOSE HIS REWARD.' "

You are a liar, Kobojunkie.

OtemAtum:


Sometimes your face carries your problems and people tell you things based on your facial expression. When I use to dress like pastor in those days, many people have told me that I will someday become a pastor. I knew of a guy whose face is like that of a clown and many people have told him he should become a comedian. Now he is a full time comedian and making waves. Everything on earth has waves. Your waves can sometimes be detected by anybody who has the gift of wave detecting, irrespective of whether they call themselves prophets, dibia or not.

What face could a 16yr old possibly have that would made different pastors tell him the same thing??

You are trying to tell me that all the exact prophecy he had from different pastors are due to his face?? Now he is dead, exactly the same way.. it was his face that killed him?

Bro no offense, you are not making any single sense.

Wilgrea7:


I'm really sorry about your friend. I had no idea he passed away. My condolences to you, and to his family.

I'd rather not discuss the life of someone who just recently passed on nairaland like this

But to kind of backpedal and address the main topic. The whole destiny thing doesn't really hold up.

I've seen people that have been told the “death surrounding you" thing and survived. And people who did not.

The truth of the matter is, everyday we live, is a day we don't die. I don't believe anyone can have death surrounding him in that sense. Anyone can meet unfortunate circumstances. You don't need an alleged prophet to tell you that.

Once again, I'm really sorry about your friend. If there is an afterlife, i hope he finds peace in it

Anyone can meet unfortunate circumstances? Exactly the same way he was told it would happen?

God!

Hostkene:

Anyone can meet unfortunate circumstances? Exactly the same way he was told it would happen?

God!

Except of course, it didn't happen exactly like they said. They said stabbing by cultists... they said a friend would cause it. None of that happened. The only thing they got right, is that he would die. And coincidence, that's the one thing we all do as humans. Some later than others. Some earlier. But nonetheless.

If he indeed met a friend that led his astray to get stabbed by cultists, then that would've been slightly more believable. But that's not what happened. What you're doing, is a sort of mental gymnastics to convince yourself that somehow, the so called prophecies which failed, somehow worked.

What kind of a person claims to be able to see into the future, and yet manages to get the specific details of the future events wrong? If I told you, that you would die in the future. I wouldn't be wrong. Because it's a natural thing that happens to all humans.

Once again I'm really sorry about your friend. It seems more of a case of unfortunate circumstances, rather than prophecy, or destiny.

Wilgrea7:


Except of course, it didn't happen exactly like they said. They said stabbing by cultists... they said a friend would cause it. None of that happened. The only thing they got right, is that he would die. And coincidence, that's the one thing we all do as humans. Some later than others. Some earlier. But nonetheless.

If he indeed met a friend that led his astray to get stabbed by cultists, then that would've been slightly more believable. But that's not what happened. What you're doing, is a sort of mental gymnastics to convince yourself that somehow, the so called prophecies which failed, somehow worked.

What kind of a person claims to be able to see into the future, and yet manages to get the specific details of the future events wrong? If I told you, that you would die in the future. I wouldn't be wrong. Because it's a natural thing that happens to all humans.

Once again I'm really sorry about your friend. It seems more of a case of unfortunate circumstances, rather than prophecy, or destiny.

The prophecy went exactly as said...

He would be stabbed by cultists, the pastor in Kenya used the "Gun shot"... And his death would be lead by an evil friend... The girl who called gang boys on him, was she a stranger to him or his friend??

Why are you guys sounding so ignorant?

Up to 4 different pastors told him the same thing, and what they said happened the same way he was warned about, and you say it's an unfortunate circumstance? Where different men of God warned you about the same thing and it later occured?

Thought you guys are smart enough? Seems like the mentality here is being washed that there is no gift of vision. Change your mindset

Hostkene:


The prophecy went exactly as said...

He would be stabbed by cultists, the pastor in Kenya used the "Gun shot"... And his death would be lead by an evil friend... The girl who called gang boys on him, was she a stranger to him or his friend??

Man, your story is spinning in the weirdest way possible. You initially said the prophecy was that a friend would lead him to death involving cultists. When asked for more details, you said the prophecy specified getting stabbed by cultists.

Now you're changing the narrative to say that the Kenyan pastor said gunshot, even though you said stabbed initially.

Hostkene:
Even tho my friend was very careful...

He had an issue with a POS girl who stays opposite his work shop. The girl involved her brother, who might have arranged group of boys who shot him.

Now you're claiming the girl was his friend, even though here, you identified her as a POS, who just happens to stay opposite his workshop. No element of friendship was denoted in that story. At best, they could be regarded as neighbors, and everyone knows the two are not the same.

Why are you guys sounding so ignorant?

Up to 4 different pastors told him the same thing, and what they said happened the same way he was warned about, and you say it's an unfortunate circumstance? Where different men of God warned you about the same thing and it later occured?
Thought you guys are smart enough? Seems like the mentality here is being washed that there is no gift of vision. Change your mindset

The number was initially 7. Now it has gone down to 4. You've changed the narrative of what the alleged prophets supposedly said, as well as the definition of the word "friend" in order to suit what you want to believe. You've changed the number of prophets. And you're calling us the ignorant ones.

Man, It's fine. If you want to believe in destiny, feel free to do so. But if this is your evidence, I'm sorry but it's a really bad one.

I really, really do not want to keep discussing the case of someone who just passed away on nairaland, so I may refrain from responding further on this topic. I wish you a good day, and I hope you're able to cope with the unfortunate event in a psychologically healthy way. My condolences once again

Wilgrea7:


Man, your story is spinning in the weirdest way possible. You initially said the prophecy was that a friend would lead him to death involving cultists. When asked for more details, you said the prophecy specified getting stabbed by cultists.

Now you're changing the narrative to say that the Kenyan pastor said gunshot, even though you said stabbed initially.



Now you're claiming the girl was his friend, even though here, you identified her as a POS, who just happens to stay opposite his workshop. No element of friendship was denoted in that story. At best, they could be regarded as neighbors, and everyone knows the two are not the same.



The number was initially 7. Now it has gone down to 4. You've changed the narrative of what the alleged prophets supposedly said, as well as the definition of the word "friend" in order to suit what you want to believe. You've changed the number of prophets. And you're calling us the ignorant ones.

Man, It's fine. If you want to believe in destiny, feel free to do so. But if this is your evidence, I'm sorry but it's a really bad one.

I really, really do not want to keep discussing the case of someone who just passed away on nairaland, so I may refrain from responding further on this topic. I wish you a good day, and I hope you're able to cope with the unfortunate event in a psychologically healthy way. My condolences once again

I never said 7, I asked a question and said "up to 8 different prophets".

You are a very ignorant human being.
You do not believe in prophecies, maybe that's why you're still in poverty.

A witch will only want you alive just to suffer.

I need intelligent people to answer a simple questions, not f00ls who do not believe in God.

Get lost! F00l

Wilgrea7:


Man, your story is spinning in the weirdest way possible. You initially said the prophecy was that a friend would lead him to death involving cultists. When asked for more details, you said the prophecy specified getting stabbed by cultists.

Now you're changing the narrative to say that the Kenyan pastor said gunshot, even though you said stabbed initially.



Now you're claiming the girl was his friend, even though here, you identified her as a POS, who just happens to stay opposite his workshop. No element of friendship was denoted in that story. At best, they could be regarded as neighbors, and everyone knows the two are not the same.



The number was initially 7. Now it has gone down to 4. You've changed the narrative of what the alleged prophets supposedly said, as well as the definition of the word "friend" in order to suit what you want to believe. You've changed the number of prophets. And you're calling us the ignorant ones.

Man, It's fine. If you want to believe in destiny, feel free to do so. But if this is your evidence, I'm sorry but it's a really bad one.

I really, really do not want to keep discussing the case of someone who just passed away on nairaland, so I may refrain from responding further on this topic. I wish you a good day, and I hope you're able to cope with the unfortunate event in a psychologically healthy way. My condolences once again

You are counting the number of prophets I mentioned, yet you couldn't explain why different pastors from different locations told him the same thing..

Very dumb Human being, What I wrote here is a clear story... But you are reading it from your own believe.

Prophets gave him the warning that they see death around him, that he should pray against any evil friend who would lead to his early grave.


The pos girl that gagned boys against him, did she just call cultists on a stranger?

Are you that daft not to see that i said the pos girl was his ex girlfriend, they broke up and now are literally "friends" working opposite each other??

Wilgrea7:


Man, your story is spinning in the weirdest way possible. You initially said the prophecy was that a friend would lead him to death involving cultists. When asked for more details, you said the prophecy specified getting stabbed by cultists.

Now you're changing the narrative to say that the Kenyan pastor said gunshot, even though you said stabbed initially.



Now you're claiming the girl was his friend, even though here, you identified her as a POS, who just happens to stay opposite his workshop. No element of friendship was denoted in that story. At best, they could be regarded as neighbors, and everyone knows the two are not the same.



The number was initially 7. Now it has gone down to 4. You've changed the narrative of what the alleged prophets supposedly said, as well as the definition of the word "friend" in order to suit what you want to believe. You've changed the number of prophets. And you're calling us the ignorant ones.

Man, It's fine. If you want to believe in destiny, feel free to do so. But if this is your evidence, I'm sorry but it's a really bad one.

I really, really do not want to keep discussing the case of someone who just passed away on nairaland, so I may refrain from responding further on this topic. I wish you a good day, and I hope you're able to cope with the unfortunate event in a psychologically healthy way. My condolences once again

You are a big f00l

After several same prophecies, I finally lost my friend exactly the same way he was being warned about 2years ago.

It has been confirmed already and I'm asking a simple question and you are here doubting me, on top a friend who is dead already, who died "exactly" the same way men of God warned him about.

And all you could say is that "it was his face that lead to different pastors telling him the same thing".

It shall never be well with you, you are a very daft and poor mentality. F00l

Hostkene:


1. Bible verse please?

2. Pastors copied the trick to use on the gullible ones, how then do different pastors from different locations tell you the same thing

HE CANNOT- BUT WILL NOT ADMIT IT AS EVIDENCE.

Kobojunkie:

1. The below passage details the power Jesus Christ bestowed on His followers
Notice how there is no mention of powers to peer into people's private lives?

2. Similar way Soothsayers and psychics also can?

ATHEISTS TELL ANY LIE TO FURTHER THEIR AGENDA.

Just because Lord Yeshua never promised the Power to see into people's lives in MARK 16, does thatmean that he never made that Promise elsewhere?

Lying Atheists.

Hostkene:


1. You are still yet to bring a Bible verse.

2. Similar way soothsayers can, So why do you say they are lies Minewhile you suggested I should also visit the soothsayers?

THE COST OF HAVING SOMEONE SEE THE FUTURE FOR YOU IS THAT THE SEER OWNS YOUR LIFE FROM THERE ON IN.

Hostkene:


1. Means you don't know what you're saying.

2. What then do you call them? Since you were posing the prophecy my frnd got as "coincidence",,, and since you said pastors and soothsayers use same trick... What do you call them then?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Popoff

IF ALL OF THE PROPHETS BELONGED TO THE SAME DENOMINATION, THEY COULD HAVE PREARRANGED TO LIE TO A CLIENT.

PETER POPOFF pretended to have the same Power attributed to WILLIAM BRANHAM, who prophesied the personal details of people he prayed for for Healing, until his Death in 1965.

In 1986, he was exposed using an "earwig" radio to receive information his workers got from Prayer Cards.

Prophets using such methods should pretend not to be of the same Sects.

OtemAtum:


Sometimes your face carries your problems and people tell you things based on your facial expression. When I use to dress like pastor in those days, many people have told me that I will someday become a pastor.

THERE ARE 20 DISCRETE FACIAL MUSCLES, WHICH CAN ALL TELL AN OBSERVANT PERSON A LOT.

However, you forget about "BODY LANGUAGE:" Posture, Inclination, Agitation, Breathing, Perspiration, Eye Contact, Blinking, Pupil Dilation, Salivation, Pulse, Complexion, and so on.

This is literally a Science.

I have tried to teach NAIRALANDERS the importance of THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER- starting with the most important one: TOTAL RECALL.

If you have that, you can get to the rest easily and safely.

oaroloye:

. THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER. (Matt. 25.)

1. TOTAL RECALL.
2. EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION.
3. TELEKINESIS.
4. TELEPORTATION.
5. TRANSLATION.
6-10. EVERLASTING LIFE.

THE WEAK-MINDED WILL NOT BE ABLE TO CONCEIVE OF THE IMPLICATIONS OF BEING ABLE TO TOTALLY RECALL ANY AND EVERY MEMORY ONE EVER HAD.

The American TV Show, LIE TO ME, starring TIM ROTH, is about a Psychiatrist named CAL LIGHTMAN, purportedly an actual person, whose mental patient abruptly committed suicide, having shown signs of improvement.

The Doctor is deeply disturbed that he should not have been able to discern that his patient was planning to kill herself, since that was literally his job. (I mean, to know that his patient was going to kill herself- not to kill her himself!)

He reviewed his therapy sessions with her, and suddenly realized something unexpected- replaying the videos in slo-motion, he realized that his patient had shown indications of the intent to commit suicide in her facial expressions- but had covered them up and substituted a false expression- all in one-tenth of a second!

He had not expected such a deception, but once he knew what to look for, no one could hide anything from him.

For instance in the intro, he demonstrates the interrogation of a Terrorist Bomber, in the presence of his lawyer, who advises the suspect not to answer any of his questions.

From his reactions, Dr. Lightman determines that the FBI have been looking in the wrong place for the bomb, and directed them to the real location- all without the suspect telling him anything in words.

You understand that this is all acting, and that actors are taught to fake these microexpressions, in order to deceive the audiences, that they are really the characters whom they portray.

The best actors do this flawlessly, while the bad actors' microexpressions, intonations, body language, etc. will not match what is supposed to be going on with the character.

If you can totally recall everything you know about people in every situation you have seen them in, you will be able to match their microexpressions, body language, and everything, to specific data.

For instance, if your dog died is similar to how you would look if your mum died- but it is not the same. How you look if your car keys are missing is not how you will look if your daughter is missing.

When you have your whole life's experience of observing people in such circumstances available, you can decipher what is going on with people just from looking at them.

In the days when all letters were handwritten, it was a legitimate art to be able to tell what was going on with a person, by how they wrote.

A person who put every dot over every "i," exactly, and crossed every "t" correctly is obviously a disciplined person. One who does not, but their crosses appear anyhow, and dots are placed anywhere, but on the stems, are not disciplined people.

People who make spelling mistakes are hardly of greatest intelligence. Someone with bad handwriting does not care what is thought of them, and someone whose writing does not sit on the lines, must not care much about rules.

People are not difficult to read, when your mind is disciplined to observe, and recall its observations.

This art of discerning people's thoughts by observation is called COLD READING.

There are probably many books on the topic, since American Television glamorized the subject.

YOUR THINKING IS GUESSWORK: YOU DO NOT KNOW THE ACTUAL MECHANICS.

[See: THE MENTALIST, starring Simon Baker (2008).
LIE TO ME, starring Tim Roth (2009).
MENTAL, starring Chris Vance (2009).]

OtemAtum:

I knew of a guy whose face is like that of a clown and many people have told him he should become a comedian. Now he is a full time comedian and making waves. Everything on earth has waves. Your waves can sometimes be detected by anybody who has the gift of wave detecting, irrespective of whether they call themselves prophets, dibia or not.

HOW DOES ONE ACQUIRE A "GIFT OF WAVE-DETECTING?" INSTEAD OF ACKNOWLEDGING THE POWERS OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN, YOU ASCRIBE ALL POWERS TO THE UNATTAINABLE WHIM OF GOD, AND TO THE DEVILS!

infini771:

Most of the people that called themselves prophet are fake. They use diabolic powers. They can tell you the problem but cannot solve it.

. MATTHEW 7:1-6.

“JUDGE not,
that ye be not judged.
2. "For with what
judgment ye judge,
ye shall be judged;
and with what
measure ye mete,
it shall be
measured to you again.
3. "And why beholdest thou
the mote
that is in thy brother's eye,
but considerest not the beam
that is in thine own eye?
4. "Or how wilt thou
say to thy brother,

'LET ME PULL OUT
THE MOTE
OUT OF THINE EYE;'

and, behold,
a beam is in thine own eye?
5. "Thou Hypocrite,
first cast out the beam
out of thine own eye;
and then shalt thou see clearly
to cast out the mote
out of thy brother's eye.
6. "Give not that which is holy
unto the dogs,
neither cast ye your pearls
before swine,
lest they trample them
under their feet,
and turn again
and rend you."

THE HEIGHT OF STUPIDITY IS TO JUDGE OTHERS FOR BEING "FAKE," BUT NOT ONESELF.

Any Solution to a Problem diagnosed by a Prophet needs to be implemented by a Christian.

An Unbeliever does not want to hear Christian Solutions to their Problems.

They want Solutions that will solve their issues- while leaving God out of their life!

For example, they want to know if their lover girl's boyfriend has planted a bomb under their car- but they have no intention of giving up ADULTERY!

Christians living in the SHARIA States want to know how to avoid being killed by Muslims- without leaving their forefathers' "rightful lands."

When you become a Christian, certain options become closed to you.

. MATTHEW 12:22-45.

22. Then was
brought unto him
one possessed
with a Devil,
blind, and dumb:
and he healed him,
insomuch that
the blind and dumb
both spake and saw.
23. And all the people
were amazed,
and said,

"Is not this
The Son of David?"

24. But when
the Pharisees heard it,
they said,

"This fellow doth not
cast out devils,
but by Beelzebub
the Prince of the Devils."

25. And Jesus knew their thoughts,
and Said unto them,

"Every kingdom
divided against itself
is brought to desolation;
and every city or house
divided against itself
shall not stand:
26. "And if Satan
cast out Satan,
he is divided
against himself;
how shall then
his Kingdom stand?
27. "And if I by Beelzebub
cast out Devils,
by whom do your children
cast them out?
therefore they shall be
your judges.
28. "But if I cast out Devils
by the Spirit of God,
then The Kingdom of God
is come unto you.
29. "Or else how can one
enter into
a Strong Man's House,
and spoil his Goods,
except he first
bind the Strong Man?
And then he will
spoil his House.
30. "He that is not with me
is against me;
and he that
gathereth not with me
scattereth abroad.
31. "Wherefore I Say
unto you,

'ALL MANNER
OF SIN AND BLASPHEMY
SHALL BE FORGIVEN
UNTO MEN:
BUT THE BLASPHEMY
AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST
SHALL NOT BE FORGIVEN
UNTO MEN.'

32. "And whosoever
speaketh a word
against The Son of Man,
it shall be forgiven him:
but whosoever speaketh
against The Holy Ghost,
it shall not be forgiven him,
neither in this World,
neither in the World to come.
33. "Either make the tree good,
and his fruit good;
or else make the tree corrupt,
and his fruit corrupt:
for the tree is known
by his fruit.
34. "O Generation of Vipers,
how can ye,
being Evil,
speak Good Things?
For out of the abundance
of the heart
the mouth speaketh.
35. "A Good man
out of the Good Treasure
of the heart
bringeth forth Good Things:
and an Evil man
out of the Evil Treasure
bringeth forth Evil Things.
36. "But I Say unto you,

'THAT EVERY IDLE WORD
THAT MEN SHALL SPEAK,
THEY SHALL GIVE
ACCOUNT THEREOF
IN THE DAY OF JUDGMENT.' “

37. "For by thy Words
thou shalt be Justified,
and by thy Words thou shalt be Condemned."
38. Then certain of the scribes
and of the Pharisees answered,
saying,

"Master,
we would see
a Sign from thee."

39. But he Answered
and Said unto them,

"An Evil and
Adulterous Generation
seeketh after a Sign;
and there shall no Sign
be given to it,
but The Sign of
the Prophet Jonas:
40. "For as Jonas was
three days and three nights
in the whale's belly;
so shall the Son of Man
be three days
and three nights
in the heart of the Earth.

41. "The men of Nineveh
shall rise in Judgment with this Generation,
and shall Condemn It:
because they repented
at the Preaching of Jonas;
and, behold,
a Greater than Jonas is here.
42. "The Queen of the South
shall rise up in the Judgment
with this Generation,
and shall Condemn It:
for she came from
The Uttermost Parts of the Earth
to hear The Wisdom of Solomon;
and, behold,
a Greater than Solomon is here.
43. "When the unclean spirit
is gone out of a man,
he walketh through dry places,
seeking rest,
and findeth none.
44. "Then he saith,

'I WILL RETURN INTO MY HOUSE
FROM WHENCE I CAME OUT;'

and when he is come,
he findeth it empty,
swept, and garnished.
45. "Then goeth he,
and taketh with himself
seven other spirits
more wicked than himself,
and they enter in and dwell there:
and the last state of that man
is worse than the first.
Even so shall it be also
unto this Wicked Generation."

IT IS QUITE TRUE THAT PASTOR/PROPHETS HAVE USED DIABOLICAL MEANS TO FAKE HAVING DIVINE SPIRITUAL POWERS.

There are HERBS one can take that will give one ANY Supernatural Power you have ever heard of, in a day, even!

But the cost is that a strain will be put on your Mind and Body that can literally rupture or explode them.

When you take months into years to acquire these Powers, your Mind and Body become accommodated to those levels of operation.

There are Devils that can activate your Divine Birthright- they cannot give anyone Powers: they have no Powers that they can give.

They can lie, and pretend to give people Powers. What really happens is that they stop stealing their Powers- which they have been doing to us since we were born.

[See: THE EAGLE'S GIFT, by Carlos Castaneda (1981).
THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda (1985).]

THE REALITY OF MEDIUMS, SORCERERS, AND WITCHES IMPERSONATING MEN OF GOD DOES NOT ENTITLE YOU TO PASS JUDGMENT ON ANY WANNABE PROPHET YOU DON'T LIKE!

Once you have slandered THE HOLY GHOST as THE DEVIL, ONCE- YOU ARE DONE FOR ETERNITY!

You are not coming back from that- ever!

I know that you don't care about that: I am saying it for the benefit of those who still think you worthy of credibility.

You do not know what you are talking about, and have thrown away your Eternal Destiny for nothing worthwhile.

A CHRISTIAN IS SUPPOSED TO ATTAIN HOLINESS- IN THE STATE OF HOLINESS, ALL SPIRITUAL POWERS ARE ACCESSIBLE.

oaroloye:

. LEVITICUS 19:1-2.

AND The LORD
Spake unto Moses,
Saying,

2. "Speak unto all
The Congregation of
The Children of Israel,
and say unto them,

'YE SHALL BE HOLY:
FOR I THE LORD YOUR GOD
(AM) HOLY."

. MATTHEW 13:1-23.

THE same day went Jesus
out of the house,
and sat by the sea side.
2. And great multitudes
were gathered together
unto him,
so that he went into a ship,
and sat;
and the whole multitude
stood on the shore.
3. And he Spake many things
unto them in Parables,
Saying,

"Behold, a sower
went forth to sow;
4. "And when he sowed,
some seeds
fell by the way side,
and the fowls came
and devoured them up:
5. "Some fell
upon stony places,
where they had
not much earth:
and forthwith they sprung up,
because they had
no deepness of earth:
6. "And when
the Sun was up,
they were scorched;
and because they had
no root,
they withered away.
7. "And some fell
among thorns;
and the thorns sprung up,
and choked them:
8. "But other fell
into good ground,
and brought forth fruit,
some an hundredfold,
some sixtyfold,
some thirtyfold.
9. "Who hath ears to hear,
let him hear."

10. And the Disciples came,
and said unto him,

"Why Speakest thou
unto them in Parables?"

11. He Answered and Said
unto them,

"Because it is given unto you
to know The Mysteries
of The Kingdom of Heaven,
but to them it is not given.
12. "For whosoever hath,
to him shall be given,
and he shall have
more abundance:
but whosoever hath not,
from him shall be taken away
even that he hath.
13. "Therefore Speak I
to them in Parables:

'BECAUSE THEY SEEING
SEE NOT;
AND HEARING
THEY HEAR NOT,
NEITHER DO THEY
UNDERSTAND.'

14. "And in them is fulfilled
the Prophecy of Esaias,
which saith,

'BY HEARING YE SHALL HEAR,
AND SHALL NOT UNDERSTAND;
AND SEEING YE SHALL SEE,
AND SHALL NOT PERCEIVE:
15. 'FOR THIS PEOPLE'S HEART
IS WAXED GROSS,
AND THEIR EARS
ARE DULL OF HEARING,
AND THEIR EYES
THEY HAVE CLOSED;
LEST AT ANY TIME
THEY SHOULD SEE WITH THEIR EYES
AND HEAR WITH THEIR EARS,
AND SHOULD UNDERSTAND
WITH THEIR HEART,
AND SHOULD BE CONVERTED,
AND I SHOULD HEAL THEM.'

16. "But Blessed
are your eyes,
for they see:
and your ears,
for they hear.
17. "For verily I Say unto you,

'THAT MANY PROPHETS
AND RIGHTEOUS MEN
HAVE DESIRED TO SEE
THOSE THINGS
WHICH YE SEE,
AND HAVE NOT SEEN THEM;
AND TO HEAR THOSE THINGS
WHICH YE HEAR,
AND HAVE NOT HEARD THEM.'

18. "Hear ye therefore
The Parable of the Sower.

19. 'WHEN ANY ONE HEARETH
THE WORD OF THE KINGDOM,
AND UNDERSTANDETH IT NOT,
THEN COMETH
THE WICKED ONE,
AND CATCHETH AWAY
THAT WHICH WAS
SOWN IN HIS HEART.
THIS IS HE WHICH
RECEIVED SEED
BY THE WAY SIDE.
20. 'BUT HE THAT
RECEIVED THE SEED
INTO STONY PLACES,
THE SAME IS HE
THAT HEARETH THE WORD,
AND ANON WITH JOY
RECEIVETH IT;
21. 'YET HATH HE NOT
ROOT IN HIMSELF,
BUT DURETH FOR A WHILE:
FOR WHEN TRIBULATION OR PERSECUTION
ARISETH BECAUSE OF THE WORD,
BY AND BY HE IS OFFENDED.
22. 'HE ALSO THAT RECEIVED
SEED AMONG THE THORNS
IS HE THAT HEARETH THE WORD;
AND THE CARE OF THIS WORLD,
AND THE DECEITFULNESS OF RICHES,
CHOKE THE WORD,
AND HE BECOMETH UNFRUITFUL.
23. 'BUT HE THAT RECEIVED SEED
INTO THE GOOD GROUND
IS HE THAT HEARETH THE WORD,
AND UNDERSTANDETH IT;
WHICH ALSO BEARETH FRUIT,
AND BRINGETH FORTH,
SOME AN HUNDREDFOLD,
SOME SIXTY, SOME THIRTY.' "

. REVELATION 22:11-12.

11. "He that is UNJUST,
let him be Unjust still:
and he which is FILTHY,
let him be Filthy still:
and he that is RIGHTEOUS,
let him be Righteous still:
and he that is HOLY,
let him be Holy still.
12. "And, behold,
I come quickly;
and my Reward is with me,
to give every man According
as his Work shall be."

THERE ARE FOUR CLASSES OF PEOPLE, RANKED ACCORDING TO THE SPIRITUAL ENERGY LEVELS.

The ISRAELITES were Commanded by God to be Holy. A HOLY person can receive any sort of Miracle from God.

One must attain and relinquish Holiness as many as seven times, before attaining Ultimate Stability- which is ETERNAL LIFE.

The Consciousness of having always been, and to for ever be.

.   2^nd PETER 1:5-9.

5. And besides this,
giving all diligence,
add to your Faith Virtue,
and to Virtue Knowledge,
6. And to Knowledge Temperance,
and to Temperance Patience,
and to Patience Godliness,
7. And to Godliness Brotherly Kindness,
and to Brotherly Kindness Charity.
8. For if these things be in you,
and abound,
they make you
that ye shall neither be
barren nor unfruitful
in The Knowledge
of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9. But he that lacketh
these things is blind,
and cannot see afar off,
and hath forgotten
that he was purged
from his old Sins.

EACH OF THESE POWERS HAS A DIFFERENT SPIRITUAL ENERGY LEVEL- THE APOSTLES NEVER EXPLAINED THIS TO US, BECAUSE THE APOSTLES DID NOT WANT US TO KNOW.

Once a level has been attained, one cannot go back to the previous levels.

Such as FAITH.

Hostkene:

I never said 7, I asked a question and said "up to 8 different prophets".

Don’t mind them friend.

8 different prophets + 4 different pastors = up to 12 similar disciples.

KnownUnknown:


Don’t mind them friend.

8 different prophets + 4 different pastors = up to 12 similar disciples.

Ok.

Hostkene:


You are a big f00l

After several same prophecies, I finally lost my friend exactly the same way he was being warned about 2years ago.

It has been confirmed already and I'm asking a simple question and you are here doubting me, on top a friend who is dead already, who died "exactly" the same way men of God warned him about.

And all you could say is that "it was his face that lead to different pastors telling him the same thing".

It shall never be well with you, you are a very daft and poor mentality. F00l

I'm tired of this endless back and forth and your desire to keep changing the story. I've offered my condolences. I have no desire to trade insults with you. Enjoy your day

Wilgrea7:


I'm tired of this endless back and forth and your desire to keep changing the story. I've offered my condolences. I have no desire to trade insults with you. Enjoy your day

Change your poor mindset.

Have a nice day as well.