Stupid man. Wen u are very sick and u take drugs. Go and give testimony and tell us u took drugs not herbal concoctions. They are all normsl processes to get wat u desire!!! Either IVF, it has nothing to do with pregnancy and childbirth.

Kobojunkie:
He isn't saying they shouldn't celebrate but to do honestly revealing the source of their miracle rather than hiding behind God's Name. Remember, even those who are barren were created as such by God. So when you use medical science to get around the way God created you, you ought to be honest about it.

What I think what OP is saying is what they do when they celebrate in the way they do amounts to fraud.. Imagine a woman born with breasts as in flat chested lady, getting artificial implants and then going on Facebook to announce that God has miraculously given her size 36 DD breasts after many years of being flat-chested, this without revealing how she went under the knife and had to pay lots for them. That na fraud naw! .

ireneidiva:

Why would anyone want to admit thier fault on social media madam? You that is judging, do you do that? IVF fails and can almost kill when not successful. So when it is successful, why can't they celebrate anyhow they choose to? Must they post to please you?

When I say faults, I mean they never want to be vulnerable or truthful.



God did not give you those twins, IVF did.

God did not give you your source of income, your vagina did.

God did not cure you from HIV, you are just undetectable.

God did not cure you from cancer, you are in remission.

Cut the BS.

Acidosis:


Well I haven't seen anyone who had the natural conception come online to appreciate their sperm, the sex they had, or folic acid.

I personally will not shy away from talking about IVF though if I go that route. Why will I shy away from the fact that I have millions of Naira and twins?

That's exactly the point Op is trying to make, IVF gave you your babies, not God.

I know many people who have done IVF several times and it still failed.
So if IVF even works for you, be thankful.
If they believe in God, of course they will be thankful to God.
Majority of parents are thankful for a successful pregnancy and delivery whether naturally conceived or IVF
So why does it hurt you when those who had babies through IVF are celebrating the arrival of their blessings?
Are you jealous? Unhappy that they finally have their bundles of joy? Check yourself

And nobody owes you an explanation of how they conceived their baby.
It's really not your business and the entitlement you have to think they do is mindblowing

Kobojunkie:
Was God wicked to those who couldn't afford IVF and remained without as a result though?

The OP is miffed you all drag God's name into it all as if those who chose to accept their barrenness aren't sanctioned by the same God.

You might as well ask ALL parents not to celebrate and be thankful for the birth of their children, celebrate their birthdays, milestones etc because others are unable to have children

1Sharon:



When I say faults, I mean they never want to be vulnerable or truthful.



God did not give you those twins, IVF did.

God did not give you your source of income, your vagina did.

God did not cure you from HIV, you are just undetectable.

God did not cure you from cancer, you are in remission.

Cut the BS.

You can't impose your beliefs on people.

ireneidiva:

You can't impose your beliefs on people.

What beliefs?

Tamilore11:
Stupid man. Wen u are very sick and u take drugs. Go and give testimony and tell us u took drugs not herbal concoctions. They are all normsl processes to get wat u desire!!! Either IVF, it has nothing to do with pregnancy and childbirth.

kobobunkie na woman . shameless 46 year old woman . who knows e be like say she no get money do ivf com show her anger in hia

1Sharon:


What beliefs?

Atheism

Acidosis:
You're a frustrated animal.


If e pain your mama, carry your #4-6 million to do IVF and thank your doctors. Do you know how some families raised the money?

See your dirty mouth like barren.

Chai see vawulence

1Sharon:


That's exactly the point Op is trying to make, IVF gave you your babies, not God.

That's not the point he's trying to make. Do you talk about how your partner made love to you when you do your own appreciation note for your online in-laws?

1Sharon:



When I say faults, I mean they never want to be vulnerable or truthful.



God did not give you those twins, IVF did.

God did not give you your source of income, your vagina did.

God did not cure you from HIV, you are just undetectable.

God did not cure you from cancer, you are in remission.

Cut the BS.

How is it your business if they do not want to be vulnerable or truthful? And how exactly is it BS if they choose not to tell people every little details?

God gave them twins, not IVF

God gave them their source of income, not the vagina (be like say your vagina na source of income for you )

God cured their HIV

God cured cancer

**Whoever anyone chooses to praise for their miracles and testimonies shouldn't be your headache and concern, if you cannot rejoice with them cos it hurts you so much, mind the business that pays you, very simple.

Tamilore11:
Read the post. He sed those who got pregnant tru IVF are weaklings and still barren.just imagine. He sed they should hide in shame. So wat are u supporting?

You are right, that portion of his post threw me off at first but as I read through the rest of his post, I realized what he may have been trying to say, which is something like..... having a baby via IVF does not in fact mean the couple is no longer barren - even after having the baby, they are still a medically barren couple even after producing a baby using medical science to induce it.

What am I supporting? This isn't about supporting anything but about stating a fact which is that not mentioning the means by which they obtained their miracle is misleading at best. Those who accept their barrenness and those who live as if barren are also blessed by God.

Raychee:
I understand you but they still don't owe anybody the details. Anyone with a fertility problem should consult a doctor. Ivf may not work for everybody. It's better to get a recommendation according to your own situation.

Indeed they don't owe anyone their honesty since even in society we no longer all agree anymore that honesty is the best policy.

crackhaus:
Stating the obvious.

Do you go around announcing exactly what you did to recover, or you're just happy that you recovered?

Yes, I do tell of what I did to recover even as i am also happy that I recovered.

Gloriagee:
They are free to give the glory to God while you give your own glory to a stone. Truth is no one freaking cares. Are all IVFs successful? Why are people so pained over other people life choices. Jesus

But even the God who they supposedly give these thanks to desires their honesty not their mere words. God is not a fool.

1Sharon:
Classic Nigerians.

They never want to reveal faults or flaws about themselves, they must always have the best of everything.

The couples attributing IVF to God are no different to the "small girl big God" crew on Instagram..

The girls who make money from their vagina but instead attribute their earnings to God.

Oyinbo go go online reveal all of the details of what happened and still thank God for it all. Nigerians go chop, wipe mouth pretend say dem no do any work or even bribe some hands under table, and then say na God do am all.

Kobojunkie:
So long as we live on this planet, nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing that is man-made comes with a 100% guarantee of success. So arguing that because IVF, a manmade process fails as reason why couples should hide information is nothing but sentimental B.S.

No one is saying don't rejoice, what we are saying is do so honestly or don't use God's name at all.

If a woman born flat-chested suddenly showed up giving testimonies of how God miraculously blessed her with size 38D cups, this after secretly enduring series of surgeries to get those books, would you not question her claim that God did it?

If a known drug baron showed up to give testimonies of how God has blessed with riches and many houses and cars, would you not think it all a bit too dishonest?

Dishonest is that, dishonesty, honestly.

How does it affect you if they choose to hide information that will not put food on your table? My argument wasn't even about IVF failing, my argument is that not all twins and triplets testimonies we see online are IVF

How does it affect you if they choose the name of God to rejoice? IVF procedures stops at conceiving, carrying the pregnancy to term and the birthing process without complications and death is a miracle and testimony on its own, or does IVF help them carry the foetuses and put to bed?

Your comparison of artificial boobs and creating another human is very laughable, you have no argument here, but if I should go by that, coming out of the surgery alive is worthy to be thankful to God about

Your drug Baron comparison to birthing a child is baseless, material things and a life are not the same thing.

ireneidiva:

I hope both of you know that IVF fails? Most people did a lot before the baby came. So what is wrong in giving glory to God if yours worked?

Everything on this planet fails - it is a guarantee. This failure is however not a good enough reason to skimp on the truth especially where you pretend God is who you want to give the glory to.

Biglittlelois:
1. How does it affect you if they choose to hide information that will not put food on your table? My argument wasn't even about IVF failing, my argument is that not all twins and triplets testimonies we see online are IVF

2. How does it affect you if they choose the name of God to rejoice? IVF procedures stops at conceiving, carrying the pregnancy to term and the birthing process without complications and death is a miracle and testimony on its own, or does IVF help them carry the foetuses and put to bed?

3. Your comparison of artificial boobs and creating another human is very laughable, you have no argument here, but if I should go by that, coming out of the surgery alive is worthy to be thankful to God about

4. Your drug Baron comparison to birthing a child is baseless, material things and a life are not the same thing.

1. It doesn't affect me but it makes the claim to give glory to God of hypocrisy this since the same God requires those who come to Him do so in Truth.

2. SInce we are on the subject of God, I feel it is necessary to point out that you can't simply shove dishonest storied at him expecting him to accept it just because He is God.

3. It is laughable but compatible because it is the same form of dishonesty displayed.

4. Whether you are birthing a child or pushing drugs, it is all of this world and not of God's Kingdom after all. There is no hallo given individuals by God for birthing a child..

eyinjuege:
You might as well ask ALL parents not to celebrate and be thankful for the birth of their children, celebrate their birthdays, milestones etc because others are unable to have children

Celebrate but do so in honest/truth this since you drag God's name into your celebrations.

Watching iVF parents celebrate without mentioning IVF is like watching your politicians celebrate without mentioning they had to ride over the backs of Nigerians to get where they are in life.

Kobojunkie:
Oyinbo go go online reveal all of the details of what happened and stil thank God for it all. Nigerians go wipe mouth pretend say dem no do any work or even bribe some hands under table, and then say na God do am all.

Kobo I'm very surprised you are saying this, so revealing details is now about race abi? Na low self esteem and insecurity you dey display abi na white worshipping you dey do? So because some people choose not to tell details to the public means all Nigerians are like that? Upon all the argument wey you like to dey do, you still dey stereotype, Na wa for you o.

Tamilore11:
U are stupid o. Very very stupid I swear. So during testimonies or during social media talks, do women tell the world they gave birth tru the vagina or tru CS? Is it not until u ask dem personally? Or u are close to them. Don’t u people think at all. Who told u their families and close ones are not aware. They owe u strangers no damn explanation. They thank God it was a success and move on. If it’s ur own aunt or mom or wife, fine!!!!

I see this topic hits raw for you so I will leave you to your rants. When you are ready to join civilization again, and reason these things out as humans ought to, let me know.

Jovialjune1:
1. Kobo I'm very surprised you are saying this, so revealing details is now about race abi? Na low self esteem and insecurity you dey display abi na white worshipping you dey do?

2. So because some people choose not to tell details to the public means all Nigerians are like that? Upon all the argument wey you like to dey do, you still dey stereotype, Na wa for you o.

1. What race abeg? IVF na we create am?

2. No be the people wey tell these details help us realize say IVF na option for we too? If they had all chosen to hide the details behind the name of God as we do, do you think we would be talking of IVF as an option today

Mehn. Ur foolishness meant to be studied as a course in a university. It’s top grade

Kobojunkie:
You are right, that portion of his post threw me off at first but as I read through the rest of his post, I realized what he may have been trying to say which is something like..... having a baby via IVF does not in fact mean the couple are no longer barren - even after having the baby, they are still a medically barren couple even after producing a baby using medical science to induce it.

What am I supporting? This isn't about supporting anything but about stating a fact which is that not mentioning the means by which they obtained their miracle is misleading at best. Those who accept their barrenness and those who live as if barren are also blessed by God.

Kobojunkie:
1. It doesn't affect me but it makes the claim to give glory to God of hypocrisy this since the same God requires those who come to Him do so in Truth.

2. SInce we are on the subject of God, I feel it is necessary to point out that you can't simply shove dishonest storied at him expecting him to accept it just because He is God.

3. It is laughable but compatible because it is the same form of dishonesty displayed.

4. Whether you are birthing a child or pushing drugs, it is all of this world and not of God's Kingdom after all. There is no hallo given individuals by God for birthing a child..

There is nothing dishonest about praising God, there is a Halo given to individuals by God for birthing a child, it doesn't affect you who people praise and what they tell the public,

And what if they actually thanked the doctors before coming public? or must they call out the doctors names for you to know they are thankful to them? It doesn't concern and affect you

And you are not deputy Jesus for you to know what God accepts and what he doesn't, mind your business.

Kobojunkie:
Indeed they don't owe anyone their honesty since even in society we no longer all agree anymore that honesty is the best policy.

There is nothing like honesty here because there wasn't any dishonesty in the first place. If they were asked if they had an ivf and deny, that is dishonesty. Someone chooses not to share a private part of their life and people are so entitled to that information. I guess it's everything you do in your life that you share all the details with the public. Tueh! If you want information about any medical procedure, go to the hospital and stop feeling entitled to information about people's lives.

Kobojunkie:
1. What race abeg? IVF na we create am?

2. No be the people wey tell these details help us realize say IVF na option for we too? If they had all chosen to hide the details behind the name of God as we do, do you think we would be talking of IVF as an option today

No be you say "oyinbo"? Who is talking about IVF?

The scientists that developed IVF made us know what it is after different tests and experiments, not people

The way you comprehend things is really funny, that's why you argue with people alot.

Jovialjune1:
1. There is nothing dishonest about praising God,

2. there is a Halo given to individuals by God for birthing a child,

3. it doesn't affect you who people praise and what they tell the public,

4. And what if they actually thanked the doctors before coming public? or must they call out the doctors names for you to know they are thankful to them? It doesn't concern and affect you

5. And you are not deputy Jesus for you to know what God accepts and what he doesn't, mind your business.

1. From scripture standpoint, there is everything wrong about it, this since God demands you worship Him in Truth - according to His teachings and Commandments to you in Jesus Christ, God's Truth- and according to Jesus Christ, even a half-truth amounts to a lie, and a lie is an abomination to God.

2. This claim of yours is not of scripture which instead makes clear that fact that God rendered unholy the process of childbearing from the time of Adam - Genesis 3 vs 16a. It is of this world and there are no halos given you for popping out babies.

3. You are right that it doesn't affect me but why should that stop me from speaking up where the Truth of God is concerned?

4. I have said nothing about them actually thanking doctors. Instead what I have said over and over is they practice honesty especially since they claim it is God( who demands honesty) that they praise.

5. I know what God accepts because it is written what God accepts and what He disavows. Pick up the book to read and learn for your own self.

Kobojunkie:
1. From scripture standpoint, there is everything wrong about it, this since God demands you worship Him in Truth - according to His teachings and Commandments to you in Jesus Christ, God's Truth- and according to Jesus Christ, even a half-truth amounts to a lie, and a lie is an abomination to God.

2. This claim of yours is not of scripture which instead makes clear that fact that God rendered unholy the process of childbearing from the time of Adam - Genesis 3 vs 16a. It is of this world and there are no halos given you for popping out babies.

3. You are right that it doesn't affect me but why should that stop me from speaking up where the Truth of God is concerned?

4. I have said nothing about them actually thanking doctors. Instead what I have said over and over is they practice honesty especially since they claim it is God( who demands honesty) that they praise.

5. I know what God accepts because it is written what God accepts and what He disavows. Pick up the book to read and learn for your own self.

Mind the business that pays you.

Jovialjune1:
1. No be you say "oyinbo"? Who is talking about IVF?

2. The scientists that developed IVF made us know what it is after different tests and experiments, not people

3. The way you comprehend things is really funny, that's why you argue with people alot.

1. No be oyinbo dem bring iVF come Nigeria? No be their testimonials convince our women say IVF na option?
2. The scientists came knocking at your doors without evidence and testimonials from those who have already tried and tested IVF as proof that it works?

3. You can always continue to run from me like you always do. I don't bite though.