homesteady:


Ermm… I don’t remember you answering my last question about the drugs saga.

Back to this, oya I posted an article abi? In that article, they just focused on 3 aspects: economy, security and corruption.
Can you apply your argument on just the economy part. You don’t need to go as far back as Obasanjo.

Your last question about why the IRS did not "tax" the first 1M? Bro, I ignored it because it showed you still did not understand what was being discussed.

Maybe this will help your recollection.

Edit: look at the citation. Compare it to what I showed you.

homesteady:


Ermm… I don’t remember you answering my last question about the drugs saga.

Back to this, oya I posted an article abi? In that article, they just focused on 3 aspects: economy, security and corruption.
Can you apply your argument on just the economy part. You don’t need to go as far back as Obasanjo.

Just for shits and giggles. All that pre 2015 claptrap about inflation is voodoo stuff. Of course, with global oil prices serendipitously being at an all time high pre 2015, any govt in power at the time will look good (in terms of inflationary indices) since they are intertwined. When the inflation jumped in Buhari's first term can you remind us what happened to those oil prices?

From your Premium Times article, the inflation contracted at certain points again under Buhari. Do you see how that coincided with oil prices going up again in line with production?

GEJ could have partied all through 2012-2014 and the inflation would have still been better than whatever it was post 2015. Had nothing to do with him. My point.

Abi all families of people that died from bomb blasts and BH attacks during GEJ time will remember him fondly.

Android17:
Of course, it will be an insult to everybody. It is not like those who died during Abba Moro's immigration scam won't praise GEJs govt or would they?

There is a reason I don't like engaging emotionally charged people. Just give it till after the elections then mention me again on this topic, I have a lot to tell or remind you.

Android17:
Did that include the $20B SLS said went unaccounted for? I mean, why he was then summarily fired?

Sanusi was fired because PWC showed him to be a dangerous liar. https://guardian.ng/lead-story/nnpc-accuses-sanusi-of-mixing-up-figures-on-alleged-missing-20b/

Did Sanusi lie that money was missing?

Theflint1:
Sanusi was fired because PWC showed him to be a dangerous liar. https://guardian.ng/lead-story/nnpc-accuses-sanusi-of-mixing-up-figures-on-alleged-missing-20b/

nihilistjnr:
They asked Obi what is your plan for the power sector, for subsidy, and for managing national debt...

Obi: " As president, nobody will bother for consumption, even if we have to staff, every borrowed funds will be invested"


Obi: "You have poverty problem, you need to pull people out of poverty. I'm a business man , I started from micro so I know that to put people out of business, you have to re-engineer, phone, and support - its simple"

Can any obioma here translate what this man is saying?

You have to go to Anambra to get accurate translation.

Android17:
Your last question about why the IRS did not "tax" the first 1M? Bro, I ignored it because it showed you still did not understand what was being discussed.

Maybe this will help your recollection.

Edit: look at the citation. Compare it to what I showed you.

Aren’t your screenshots proving me correct?
1st screenshot- Nature of Suit - Drug related seizure of property.
2nd screenshot- The money is forfeited pursuant to 21 USC(a)(6) and 18 USC 981.

Here is what 21 USC(a)(6) states -
All moneys, negotiable instruments, securities, or other things of value furnished or intended to be furnished by any person in exchange for a controlled substance or listed chemical in violation of this subchapter, all proceeds traceable to such an exchange, and all moneys, negotiable instruments, and securities used or intended to be used to facilitate any violation of this subchapter.

It is written there in black and white and also blue.
So where does the tax evasion come into place? Or is there something that I’m not seeing??

Android17:
Just for shits and giggles. All that pre 2015 claptrap about inflation is voodoo stuff. Of course, with global oil prices serendipitously being at an all time high pre 2015, any govt in power at the time will look good (in terms of inflationary indices) since they are intertwined. When the inflation jumped in Buhari's first term can you remind us what happened to those oil prices?

From your Premium Times article, the inflation contracted at certain points again under Buhari. Do you see how that coincided with oil prices going up again in line with production?

GEJ could have partied all through 2012-2014 and the inflation would have still been better than whatever it was post 2015. Had nothing to do with him. My point.

fact check: oil prices are currently at the highest in the past 10 years.

https://www.macrotrends.net/2516/wti-crude-oil-prices-10-year-daily-chart

chrisooblog:
Abi all families of people that died from bomb blasts and BH attacks during GEJ time will remember him fondly.

or Chibok or Baga. People forget so soon.

Theflint1:
Sanusi was fired because PWC showed him to be a dangerous liar. https://guardian.ng/lead-story/nnpc-accuses-sanusi-of-mixing-up-figures-on-alleged-missing-20b/

What should NNPCs auditor say? Okay, the issue is simple: PwC should publish the audit so that all of us can pore over it. hahaha.

Since 2015, they refused to do so.

chrisooblog:
Did Sanusi lie that money was missing?

If you read the article on the link I posted you won't be asking this question.

Android17:
What should NNPCs auditor say? Okay, the issue is simple: PwC should publish the audit so that all of us can pore over it. hahaha.

Since 2015, they refused to do so.

Lol... you're lying again. PWC are not the auditors of NNPC, they were contracted by the Senate investigate the accusations by Sanusi and after their audit, Sanusi was proven to be a liar.

raumdeuter:


There are different categories of criminals, Those who are career criminals and those who resort to crime when they don't have any other means
Even in America and anywhere in the world there is a marked difference in crime level in poor neighborhoods vs richer neighborhood. Crime in Ajegunle will be higher than VGC

To effectively curb insecurity, You have to tackle it from both sides. Enhance military capacity while creating opportunities for those who want to change.

I have shed light on why hiring 50K new youths into military is a good idea since we are grossly under policed at the same time the economy has to accommodate those who want to drop crime and work

Was it a 50k or a 50m strong army

Yea, agree with this position, even the US at some point had to change their approach to Afghanistan when they realized that pumping men and guns wasn't working. There's place for diplomacy and non-combative strategies in warfare.

homesteady:


Aren’t your screenshots proving me correct?
1st screenshot- Nature of Suit - Drug related seizure of property.
2nd screenshot- The money is forfeited pursuant to 21 USC(a)(6) and 18 USC 981.

Here is what 21 USC(a)(6) states -
All moneys, negotiable instruments, securities, or other things of value furnished or intended to be furnished by any person in exchange for a controlled substance or listed chemical in violation of this subchapter, all proceeds traceable to such an exchange, and all moneys, negotiable instruments, and securities used or intended to be used to facilitate any violation of this subchapter.

It is written there in black and white and also blue.
So where does the tax evasion come into place? Or is there something that I’m not seeing??

I am kind of being letdown. Let me ask a simple question. If ALL monies should be forfeited why did BAT keep 1M USD? This is exactly the argument you and Larride started with.

I showed you provisions from the US Code that were all cited in the court paper. I want to keep it short and simple. Can't rehash the same arguments. If in doubt, provide a verdict stating that BAT is guilty of money laundering from narcotics. Thanks.

Like this one abi

https://thenewsnigeria.com.ng/2015/04/27/pwc-audit-confirms-sanusis-allegation-nnpc-deducted-18-53bn-oil-revenue/

Theflint1:
If you read the article on the link I posted you won't be asking this question.

Theflint1:
Lol... you're lying again. PWC are not the auditors of NNPC, they were contracted by the Senate investigate the accusations by Sanusi and after their audit, Sanusi was proven to be a liar.

So the Auditor General of Nigeria is part of the senate?

Android17:
Just for shits and giggles. All that pre 2015 claptrap about inflation is voodoo stuff. Of course, with global oil prices serendipitously being at an all time high pre 2015, any govt in power at the time will look good (in terms of inflationary indices) since they are intertwined. When the inflation jumped in Buhari's first term can you remind us what happened to those oil prices?

From your Premium Times article, the inflation contracted at certain points again under Buhari. Do you see how that coincided with oil prices going up again in line with production?

GEJ could have partied all through 2012-2014 and the inflation would have still been better than whatever it was post 2015. Had nothing to do with him. My point.

Okay. It was high price of oil that made inflation low and relatively stable abi?

Oya, oil price has hit $123 this year. The highest it ever got to under Jonathan was $113. Yet inflation is still high and increasing.

chrisooblog:
Like this one abi

https://thenewsnigeria.com.ng/2015/04/27/pwc-audit-confirms-sanusis-allegation-nnpc-deducted-18-53bn-oil-revenue/

You know if you rearrange words you can deceive the unsuspecting.

Sanusi said they could not account for ~$20B. PwC report said yea between 2012-2013 around $18.5B was unaccounted for but in reality govt said they redistributed it to the states so only about $1.5B is truly missing.

A report that was shoddily done and that even they accept is not reliable.

I had to highlight it for people at the back.

homesteady:


Okay. It was high price of oil that made inflation low and relatively stable abi?

Oya, oil price has hit $123 this year. The highest it ever got to under Jonathan was $113. Yet inflation is still high and increasing.

Because unlike in GEJs time where only crude prices were on the up due to increased production and demand, today, the world is also battling with food and fertilizer shortages so what ever gains could have been made from high crude prices are being lost due to equally high CPI.

I don't want to hold brief for Buhari but it is a global issue. Ask Pedo Biden and the west.

Android17:
So the Auditor General of Nigeria is part of the senate?

What should NNPCs auditor say? Okay, the issue is simple: PwC should publish the audit so that all of us can pore over it. hahaha.

Since 2015, they refused to do so.

The bolded was what I responded to. At this point, your argument is starting to look somehow. Is the auditor general a staff of PWC or wetin you dey talk gan gan?

Well, attached is PDF of the report by PWC, you lied again.

chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.vanguardngr.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Audit-Report-on-NNPC.pdf

Lol funny people and they will say GEJ was good yen yen yen.

Android17:
You know if you rearrange words you can deceive the unsuspecting.

Sanusi said they could not account for ~$20B. PwC report said yea between 2012-2013 around $18.5B was unaccounted for but in reality govt said they redistributed it to the states so only about $1.5B is truly missing.

A report that was shoddily done and that even they accept is not reliable.

I had to highlight it for people at the back.

So in summary you lied that crude oil was at an all-time high pre 2015 abi?

Android17:
Because unlike in GEJs time where only crude prices were on the up due to increased production and demand, today, the world is also battling with food and fertilizer shortages so what ever gains could have been made from high crude prices are being lost due to equally high CPI.

I don't want to hold brief for Buhari but it is a global issue. Ask Pedo Biden and the west.

Android17:
I am kind of being letdown. Let me ask a simple question. If ALL monies should be forfeited why did BAT keep 1M USD? This is exactly the argument you and Larride started with.

I showed you provisions from the US Code that were all cited in the court paper. I want to keep it short and simple. Can't rehash the same arguments. If in doubt, provide a verdict stating that BAT is guilty of money laundering from narcotics. Thanks.

You are now arguing with what you posted oh. I literally wrote down what was written in the screenshot you posted.

Was it not the entire $460k dollars that couldn’t be claimed by Tinubu that was seized?

I have posted screenshots of court papers explicitly stating that it was forfeited for been associated with drugs.
You have posted screenshots explicitly stating that the money was associated with drugs.

There are several court papers available, not even one paper explicitly stated anything about tax. The recurring statement made in all the papers is “Money associated with drugs”.

With this, I think I will rest my fingers.

Theflint1:


What should NNPCs auditor say? Okay, the issue is simple: PwC should publish the audit so that all of us can pore over it. hahaha.

Since 2015, they refused to do so.

The bolded was what I responded to. At this point, your argument is starting to look somehow. Is the auditor general a staff of PWC or wetin you dey talk gan gan?

Well, attached is PDF of the report by PWC, you lied again.

chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.vanguardngr.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Audit-Report-on-NNPC.pdf

You are late to the party.

Sanusi accused FGN of romancing with NNPC to cheat Nigerians. FGN trying to defend itself then hired PwC to audit NNPCs report to prove they did nothing wrong. That is why I asked you what you expected PwC to say?

Those ones factoring their global brand now had to sneak in caveats like "we did not follow our usual standards" and then reduced the amount discussed without any hard facts. Abi minimum of $1.48B does not include even up to $20B? lol

You people don't rate Nigerians.

Theflint1:
So in summary you lied that crude oil was at an all-time high pre 2015 abi?

All-time high is contextual. It was all-time high at the time being discussed or did you honestly include 2022 in your thinking process?

Android17:
Because unlike in GEJs time where only crude prices were on the up due to increased production and demand, today, the world is also battling with food and fertilizer shortages so what ever gains could have been made from high crude prices are being lost due to equally high CPI.

I don't want to hold brief for Buhari but it is a global issue. Ask Pedo Biden and the west.

Lmao, I thought it was that simple? Let Buhari make merry with the high Oil price and keep inflation low.

Let us pretend like vandals are not contributing to this mess.

I knew you'd claim you were referring to before 2015 and not after but let's agree to disagree on that.

Oya did you lie that PWC failed to provide a report of their audit?

Android17:
All-time high is contextual. It was all-time high at the time being discussed or did you honestly include 2022 in your thinking process?

homesteady:


You are now arguing with what you posted oh. I literally wrote down what was written in the screenshot you posted.

Was it not the entire $460k dollars that couldn’t be claimed by Tinubu that was seized?

I have posted screenshots of court papers explicitly stating that it was forfeited for been associated with drugs.
You have posted screenshots explicitly stating that the money was associated with drugs.

There are several court papers available, not even one paper explicitly stated anything about tax. The recurring statement made in all the papers is “Money associated with drugs”.

With this, I think I will rest my fingers.

How am I still arguing with someone who still does not know what a court order is?

Okay so if the court finds BAT in possession of 460K narcodollars the only punishment by the law is forfeiture?

If Pablo Escobar sent a shoe seller money (even under the guise of truly buying shoes), and the seller cannot prove it with a genuine invoice, do you know the court is allowed to order that money to be confiscated as proceeds from narcotics?

If that is the case, does it mean the shoe seller is a drug baron or an accomplice of the drug baron? Does it mean the shoe seller was convicted of money laundering?

Theflint1:
I knew you'd claim you were referring to before 2015 and not after but let's agree to disagree on that.

Oya did you lie that PWC failed to provide a report of their audit?

If I say President Obama did ABC in 2012 does it mean I lied that he is the current president?

PwC did not provide any report. Buhari threatened that he will sanction its release after winning the elections then all of a sudden the document "leaked" with caveats about how they know they did not do a thorough job.

homesteady:


Lmao, I thought it was that simple? Let Buhari make merry with the high Oil price and keep inflation low.

Let us pretend like vandals are not contributing to this mess.

I should have added ceteris paribus so we won't go through this merry-go-round.

Abi can you point to how UK and USA etc are handling the same global issue today differently? The US is currently undergoing a 40-year high inflation rate. In Nigerian history, that is almost as old as the country.

chrisooblog:
Lol funny people and they will say GEJ was good yen yen yen.

That is what makes me laugh. Let us call failure by its name. It is a spade not a big spoon.

Some people came here to advane a false agenda in the face of compelling & overwhelming evidence contrary.


Rating PMB's regime above GEJ's administration is a crime against humanity. Only hardcore Buharians like the vulture grillers will publicize & defend such opinion!