tete7000:


When you see people wake up in a war zone, dare the danger to show up for God, you will still call it showmanship because you don't know that love is shown in sacrifice. Your arrogance won't let you understand nagga....Olodo!

You're crystal clear. It's so simple to see. Some folks have only had so much wrong information it's difficult to help them from here.

You didn't need to call him names. Just ignore and go.

damosky12:
1. You have absolutely no point at all. It should be obvious to you na. The same writer of Hebrews that describes the Law as "shadows of things to come." 10:1.

2. How come he is suddenly teaching the same people to keep the unleavened bread? How's this adding up to you? "The assembling of ourselves" it says. Not the "holy gatherings of our fathers." Not "unleavened bread." Not "holy convocation."

3. Assembling as used there is the Greek, episunagōgē. It means physical MEETING. The early church right from time had a culture of regular meetings. Acts 2:46. 5:42. 6:1. 1 corith 11:18, 11:20 and so on... The following expression in the same text lets us see it is a regular new testament gathering. "but exhorting one another..." You don't exhort one another in the Holy Convocations of the old testament. They were rather ritualistic. This one is a Christian church.

4. Nothing in the whole book indicates that the writer was teaching them to keep or observe the ordinances of the old testament. It's weird chipping that in from nothing.

1. The "things to come" written of in Hebrews 10 vs 1, have yet to come - it is still way off in the future- , do you at least understand that much?

2. The writer is instead suggesting they not avoid the Holidays stipulated by God for those of Hebrew descent by God. I don't believe that He in any way meant to tell them to follow the Old Law by that. Even foreigners in the land - Gentiles - are also suggested to honor those same holidays. By the way, the Holy gatherings are not of their fathers but God's Law aka the National Constitution of the Nation of Israel given by God to the People who have the blood of Jacob coursing through their veins - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20. It makes no sense to live in a Country if you have no intentions to respect the Constitution of the Land.

3. Regardless of the meanings you choose to give the word, the Hebrew assembling of the brethren was commanded by God, for a National Holiday of sorts, a day of no work.

4. You are here making an assumption that has absolutely nothing to do with what was said.

Kobojunkie:
1. The "things to come" written of in Hebrews 10 vs 1, have yet to come - it is still way off in the future- , do you at least understand that much?

I think I am quite familiar with your Monika in religion section. You do so much arguing and you seem to argue (not to learn) but to remain fixated on your assumptions. That can change.

Read Hebrews 10:1-10 contextually and tell me "things to come" refers to future things. I mean it's literally written in plain English. It's all reference to the sacrifice of Christ. Like it's so obvious.

Why are you doing this??

2. The writer is instead suggesting they not avoid the Holidays stipulated by God for those of Hebrew descent by God. I don't believe that He in any way meant to tell them to follow the Old Law by that. Even foreigners in the land - Gentiles - are also suggested to honor those same holidays. By the way, the Holy gatherings are not of their fathers but God's Law aka the National Constitution of the Nation of Israel given by God to the People who have the blood of Jacob coursing through their veins - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20. It makes no sense to live in a Country if you have no intentions to respect the Constitution of the Land.

Can you make one reference in the whole book of Hebrews that indicates He is referring to the "holy days" of Moses. Just one will be enough. Prove what you're saying textually, at least. Stop quoting unrelated Deut and Leveticus to examine Hebrews. Isn't that absurd, to you?

Then, please do me a favour. Read together. Hebrews 10:23-25. Does this flow of writing indicate some national holiday? How? From let's hold our faith profession (v. 23) to let's encourage one another to good works (v.24) then suddenly to let's observe the national holidays of Moses (v.25). to exhorting (teaching) one another (same v.25). How does this make sense to you?

If you can't textually explain and clarify this, or justify your stances in the book of Hebrews, then you have no business arguing it. Seems you just enjoy nairaland religious exchanges without content.

3. Regardless of the meanings you choose to give the word, the Hebrew assembling of the brethren was commanded by God, for a National Holiday of sorts, a day of no work.

I gave it no meaning. The word literally means meeting. More like meeting (together). You have to understand that the Hebrew Church was literally a church of Christ.

The writer of the book literally described Levitical Priesthood as being imperfect. Textually, He referenced Christ as the High Priest of the New Testament. He condemned the Israel old establishment for Christ's New Kingdom.

Hebrews 7:11-12
[11]If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
[12]For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

How come he is asking them to follow the same Levitical Priesthood by keeping the holy days that these same Levitical Priesthood initiated? How na?

The same man, quoting from Jeremiah, taught that God condemned the old testament and would make New Covenant to the House of Israel.

Hebrews 8:8
[8]For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

How is it this same man that would encourage the church he is writing to keep the ceremonial Levitical "Holy days" of this same old testament? How? How? Abeg how?


If you would read open-mindedly, it's not hard to see that you are really defaulting. Read to understand, learn,and move on. That's how we should do.

damosky12:
1. Read Hebrews 10:1-10 contextually and tell me "things to come" refers to future things. I mean it's literally written in plain English. It's all reference to the sacrifice of Christ. Like it's so obvious. Why are you doing this??

2. Can you make one reference in the whole book of Hebrews that indicates He is referring to the "holy days" of Moses. Just one will be enough. Prove what you're saying textually, at least. Stop quoting unrelated Deut and Leviticus to examine Hebrews. Isn't that absurd, to you?

1. Like I said earlier, the letter to the Hebrews was written by the author to those of Hebrew descent, those who understand that there is a future to come related to God's Old Covenant Law.

2. Again, the Letter was addressed to those of Hebrew descent, meaning those of the Land of Canaan where God installed His Law of Moses. Take time to wrap your mind around that so you at least understand that applying Gentile reasoning is a problem where it concerns that which applies to the Hebrew world.

Kobojunkie:
1. Like I said earlier, the letter to the Hebrews was written by the author to those of Hebrew descent, those who understand that there is a future to come related to God's Old Covenant Law.

2. Again, the Letter was addressed to those of Hebrew descent, meaning those of the Land of Canaan where God installed His Law of Moses. Take time to wrap your mind around that so you at least understand that applying Gentile reasoning is a problem where it concerns that which applies to the Hebrew world.

Lol. Have a nice day.

Don't engage me again abeg.

damosky12:


You're crystal clear. It's so simple to see. Some folks have only had so much wrong information it's difficult to help them from here.

You didn't need to call him names. Just ignore and go.

Alright, thanks

damosky12:


Maybe you do. Perhaps, you only haven't met Him. He has all the answers to your search for meaning...

i am not a fan of fiction.

damosky12:


Maybe you do. Perhaps, you only haven't met Him. He has all the answers to your search for meaning...

what has Nigeria as a nation achieved since the introduction of religion despite having some the biggest and most popular god of men who are talking to jesus on behalf of nigeria.

iramure:
i am not a fan of fiction.

No. He isn't fiction.

Existence is in Him. Nature and even the things around you now bear witness of Him. Signs and wonders. Some of which you've seen bear witness of Him.

iramure:
what has Nigeria as a nation achieved since the introduction of religion despite having some the biggest and most popular god of men who are talking to jesus on behalf of nigeria.

Nigeria as a nation hasn't received Him. Many are still yet to come to the faith. God doesn't force Himself on people. The least they can do is to begin by praying for the salvation of Nigerians. This is working so far...

damosky12:


Nigeria as a nation hasn't received Him. Many are still yet to come to the faith. God doesn't force Himself on people. The least they can do is to begin by praying for the salvation of Nigerians. This is working so far...

perhaps u are not in touch with reality. God isn't forcing himself on anyone, but he gave a condition to bless thier nation. Is that not indirectly forcing all to accept him..can't he just bless without all firstly accepting his fictional son?

iramure:
perhaps u are not in touch with reality. God isn't forcing himself on anyone, but he gave a condition to bless thier nation. Is that not indirectly forcing all to accept him..can't he just bless without all firstly accepting his fictional son?

Man is a free being. He has the full right to love, want, or invite God as he wills.

Again, God doesn't force Himself on man. He "respects" your choice and wouldn't impose Himself or His blessings on you against your will. He is perfectly loving.

Even though He wants to save you, He won't force His own will on you. You have your own will.

Jesus Christ is not fictional. He is as real as this Monika responding to you. If you give Him your heart, you'll find out how real He is. I am certain!

damosky12:


Man is a free being. He has the full right to love, want, or invite God as he wills.

Again, God doesn't force Himself on man. He "respects" your choice and wouldn't impose Himself or His blessings on you against your will. He is perfectly loving.

Even though He wants to save you, He won't force His own will on you. You have your own will.

Jesus Christ is not fictional. He is as real as this Monika responding to you. If you give Him your heart, you'll find out how real He is. I am certain!

you will never accept that you are not right in your assertion/conviction. Some stories you have been made to believe for years are handiwork of your colonial masters for a purpose. What will you say of great nations where christianity isn't welcome and today, your Christian-dominated, faith-filled nation is nothing compared to sinners-domonated nations where only the mention of Jesus can land you in jail. Why are your colonial masters not bothered about religion anymore

iramure:
you will never accept that you are not right in your assertion/conviction. Some stories you have been made to believe for years are handiwork of your colonial masters for a purpose. What will you say of great nations where christianity isn't welcome and today, your Christian-dominated, faith-filled nation is nothing compared to sinners-domonated nations where only the mention of Jesus can land you in jail. Why are your colonial masters not bothered about religion anymore

Leave colonial masters out of this. Christianity wasn't introduced to the world by the "colonial masters" or European missionaries. Christianity was brought to Europe too.

There is no nation where there isn't Christianity. Communist nations like China, Taliban-controlled nations like Pakistan all have hundreds to thousands of underground churches. Even first century Christianity thrived as an underground church.

But, these aside, Christianity ain't social studies. It's validity and authenticity has got nothing to do with the activities of other climes. It's got everything to do with you. If you will believe only, you will see. Don't buy into the superficial lies and deceptions of the devil. Your soul longs for Jesus. Simply accept Him into your heart!