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Re: "Is The Watchtower Organisation A Trustworthy Interpreter Of Scripture?" by cornelboy(f): 7:40pm On Jul 16, 2022 |
Mikee19: I was asking how KJV got their 1 John 5 7 from, you never responded to that. You want me to respond to all your epistles here. Keep it short abeg. 1 Like |
Re: "Is The Watchtower Organisation A Trustworthy Interpreter Of Scripture?" by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:41pm On Jul 16, 2022 |
Mikee19: According to God's word (not man's reasoning) all other Gods are addressed by their names so the Almighty wanted to be addressed by name that's why His name appeared more than 7,000 times in His book (Bible) Jesus quoted what Moses penned down from God's voice: Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah" Mark 12:29 compare to Deuteronomy 6:4 Jesus emphasized that the Jewish Rabbis were wrong to have hidden God's name but allowed the names of other Gods to be preserved in the Bible a book authored by God Himself. That's why he stressed the need for God's name to be used! Matthew 6:9; John 17:6, 26 Of course many religionists like the first century Jewish Rabbis may substitute that name with titles like Father, Lord, God and so on but according to God Himself salvation is tied to that name: And everyone who calls on the name of JEHOVAH will be saved; For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be those who escape, just as JEHOVAH has said, The survivors whom JEHOVAH calls.” Joel 2:32 Due to misinterpretation most Bible readers now reading what Paul quoted @ Romans 10:13 won't know that Paul wasn't talking about Jesus' name because both Jesus and Jehovah were referred to as Lord @ Psalms 110:1 whereas what David wrote there is: Jehovah declared to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.” NWT But the KJV rendered it this way: The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. So let all critics of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES know today that none out of all your organizations or denominations can meet up with what God required of His servants today which is written in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 and repeated at Micah 4:1-3 because the name to be called upon for God's Holy Spirit to work with imperfect humans to achieve that is "JEHOVAH" not Father! 1 Like |
Re: "Is The Watchtower Organisation A Trustworthy Interpreter Of Scripture?" by Mikee19(m): 8:55pm On Jul 16, 2022 |
cornelboy: You asked ME? ? ? WHERE? ? ? Pls always know who you address. You never asked me any question I didn't answer. If you know you did pls link to it. This is such a simple question, why would I avoid it? Also, ppl are at liberty to not respond to everything they see. m sure u know this. There are so many things a person thinks of on his own, than to answer everything they see esp if you don't call them directly. Next time pls don't say stuff like this again unless u actually ask me! Second, it takes a lot to type. It also takes an honest heart to read it all, if one really wants to be sure of what they know. It's not too huge a price to pay to read a lot if u know u don't know it all and your salvation may be at stake, no matter what. To respond to this u asked, here, the King James translators used a particular manuscript that it appeared in, but this manuscript is a later manuscript. It doesn't appear in the earlier ones, so it's safe to translate it without the words used in King James, because earlier manuscripts don't have it. But note that King James translators ACTUALLY SAW IT in the manuscript they used; they didn't invent it from nothing. But because the earlier manuscripts don't have it that way it's better to not include it in a translation (that's why more recent translations exclude it). Everyone knows it's a weak way to defend trinity... You see, I can never use such scripture to defend trinity. I won't even use John 1:1. In fact, I will use the New World Translation of the JWs to prove trinity right in anyone's face! Because I know it's the truth of God's word. I can use anything. It'll remain the same. Now over to you. Respond to my earlier comment as I've now responded to yours. 1 Like |
Re: "Is The Watchtower Organisation A Trustworthy Interpreter Of Scripture?" by Janosky: 9:47pm On Jul 16, 2022 |
Mikee19:Mike and 4 mumu, Hebrew and Greek were spoken during Jesus time on Earth. Did Jesus read & quote Deuteronomy 6:4 @ Mark12:29 and said:" Lord"? John 17:6,26 what name did Jesus make known at Mark12:29? The Tetragrammaton ,his Father's name NOT "Lord". Did Peter read "Lord" @ Psalm 110:1 & used it @ Acts 2:34? NEVER! That is why I love Aramaic Bible in Plain English. To a great extens,it REFUSED to fall for the error of other Translations putting "Lord" in place of the Tetragramatton. Continue in your folly. |
Re: "Is The Watchtower Organisation A Trustworthy Interpreter Of Scripture?" by Janosky: 9:50pm On Jul 16, 2022 |
achorladey: Did Jesus read & quote Deuteronomy 6:4 @ Mark12:29 and said:" Lord"? John 17:6,26 what name did Jesus make known at Mark12:29? Hypocrites against the use of Letter "J, for God's name,is "Jesus" in the Greek scriptures? Is John James,Jude, in the Greek scriptures? Oga, continue deceiving yourself.
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Re: "Is The Watchtower Organisation A Trustworthy Interpreter Of Scripture?" by achorladey: 10:14pm On Jul 16, 2022 |
Janosky: Me I know your NO GET SENSE PEDDLING and your SHAMELESSNESS won't allow see........ READ and QUOTE To show more about your NO GET SENSE PEDDLING in your NWT John 17 Jesus said the word FATHER (6 times) and name (4 times). That's how important calling God Father is |
Re: "Is The Watchtower Organisation A Trustworthy Interpreter Of Scripture?" by Janosky: 10:17pm On Jul 16, 2022 |
Emusan:Continue to insult yourself,Mr LIENUS. They come online be throwing tantrums "the name is not in the new testament", the name is not God's name blah blah blah... Tomorrow Sunday,all of them go enter their business centers singing. "Jehovah is your name, Jehovah is your n....a....m.....e". 3 deities worshippers and their HYPOCRISY. D
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Re: "Is The Watchtower Organisation A Trustworthy Interpreter Of Scripture?" by Janosky: 10:20pm On Jul 16, 2022 |
achorladey:Continue to hide yourself in the kingdom Hall as if you love Jehovah. Coward deceiving himself.
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Re: "Is The Watchtower Organisation A Trustworthy Interpreter Of Scripture?" by Mikee19(m): 10:22pm On Jul 16, 2022 |
Janosky: What if he did? What actual evidence do you have otherwise? Janosky: I have responded in FULL to this earlier: Mikee19: Janosky: And you know this how? Actually it's up to you to accept very sound points I've made on this topic. You say things with no actual proof. But that's fine by you. You can call your dad by his name ba? God cannot protect his word from changes by random ppl ba? Yet this makes sense to you, and you have confidence that only that one was changed, he was powerless to protect it from changes in that one, but all others, no problem. You cannot see how you're really challenging the power of God Almighty. How maybe other parts were also changed undetected. No problem, suit yourself |
Re: "Is The Watchtower Organisation A Trustworthy Interpreter Of Scripture?" by Janosky: 10:28pm On Jul 16, 2022 |
achorladey: Go and find goggles to read the screenshot proof of Mark 12:29 that Achorladey is LYING on this public forum.
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Re: "Is The Watchtower Organisation A Trustworthy Interpreter Of Scripture?" by achorladey: 10:30pm On Jul 16, 2022 |
Janosky: To show more about your NO GET SENSE PEDDLING in your NWT John 17 Jesus said the word FATHER (6 times) and name (4 times). That's how important calling God Father is to Continue to hide yourself in the kingdom Hall as if you love Jehovah. Carry your evidence come the notable NO GET SENSE PEDDLER Coward deceiving himself You see the challenge up there. Carry your evidence come make you see me running away like a coward. MaxInDHouse don infect you with his military intelligence wey don drown or your getting drown in your ARCHAIC IDEAS, TO BE MOCKED |
Re: "Is The Watchtower Organisation A Trustworthy Interpreter Of Scripture?" by achorladey: 10:31pm On Jul 16, 2022 |
Janosky: READ and QUOTE |
Re: "Is The Watchtower Organisation A Trustworthy Interpreter Of Scripture?" by achorladey: 10:41pm On Jul 16, 2022 |
Janosky: And your HYPOCRISY alongside that of MaxInDHouse comes in the form of saying Jehovah’s witnesses are the ONLY one using God's name in their WORSHIP. Yet see your words below..... Tomorrow Sunday,all of them go enter their business centers singing. "Jehovah is your name, Jehovah is your n....a....m.....e". NO GET SENSE PEDDLING PEDDLER you see your SHAMELESSNESS? Later you will deny you didn't call the God you serve DOGHEADS . All are the WORKS of NO GET SENSE PEDDLER. 2 Likes |
Re: "Is The Watchtower Organisation A Trustworthy Interpreter Of Scripture?" by Janosky: 10:48pm On Jul 16, 2022 |
Mikee19:Read the screenshot proof or continue in your folly.
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Re: "Is The Watchtower Organisation A Trustworthy Interpreter Of Scripture?" by Mikee19(m): 11:05pm On Jul 16, 2022 |
Janosky: That's the best you can do? Using a TRANSLATION by somebody else rather than the original manuscript? It's official. You have NO proof, but will rather chase shadows. Suit yourself! Taken from jw own website: "Elias Hutter was born in 1553... In 1587, Hutter produced a Hebrew edition of what is called the Old Testament... Hutter also printed what is commonly called the New Testament, with the text in 12 languages. This edition was published in Nuremberg in 1599 and is often referred to as the Nuremberg Polyglot. Hutter wanted to include a Hebrew-language translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures. But he said that even if he “had been willing to pay a fortune” for such a Hebrew translation, the search would have been in vain. * So he decided to translate the New Testament from Greek into Hebrew himself." 1599 translation Smh! Even in that pic, they said "the divine name as it appears in different TRANSLATIONS"! As in TRANSLATIONS of the original thing! It does NOT appear in the original manuscript! Only in translations by others! But sure, chase shadows... 3 Likes |
Re: "Is The Watchtower Organisation A Trustworthy Interpreter Of Scripture?" by Janosky: 11:07pm On Jul 16, 2022 |
achorladey:Shhuuuuoooo !!!!!! In screenshot evidence Achorladey is against use of Jehovah as God's name. Why is Achorladey so DECEITFUL & DUBIOUS ? Suddenly, within an interval of less than 10 minutes, Achorladey's memory reversed and he he believes his 3 deities worshipping Crew singing . "Jehovah is your name, Jehovah is your n....a....m.....e". Is Achorladey evidence they use God's name. Achorladey, Chameleon numero uno alias "Snake man". Rozz did not LIE.
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Re: "Is The Watchtower Organisation A Trustworthy Interpreter Of Scripture?" by Janosky: 11:17pm On Jul 16, 2022 |
Mikee19:Various evidences abound but you pretend to ignore them. Is Hallelujah in your Bible at Revelation 19:3-6? Is "Hallelujah" praising you,Mikee19? Abeg shift!
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Re: "Is The Watchtower Organisation A Trustworthy Interpreter Of Scripture?" by Janosky: 11:25pm On Jul 16, 2022 |
Mikee19:Various evidences abound but you pretend to ignore them. Go to NWT appendix A5 or continue deceiving yourself and throw more tantrums. Is Hallelujah in your Bible at Revelation 19:3-6? Is "Hallelujah" praising you,Mikee19? Abeg shift!
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Re: "Is The Watchtower Organisation A Trustworthy Interpreter Of Scripture?" by Mikee19(m): 11:35pm On Jul 16, 2022 |
Janosky:SMH.... Enjoy! 1 Like |
Re: "Is The Watchtower Organisation A Trustworthy Interpreter Of Scripture?" by achorladey: 5:35am On Jul 17, 2022 |
Janosky: Additional confirmation of NO GET SENSE PEDDLING and your SHAMELESSNESS. We wait when you and your only TRUE CHRISTIANS crew come running and peddle your WAILINGS that you are the only ONE using the name JEHOVAH in your worship to God. Suddenly, within an interval of less than 10 minutes, Achorladey's memory reversed and he he believes his 3 deities worshipping Crew singing Your memory that is filled with ARCHAIC IDEAS, TO BE MOCKED AND ARE IRRELEVANT na him cause this NO GET SENSE PEDDLING up there. No be the same you and your crew go from pillar to post shouting and peddle WAILINGS that Jehovah was removed by christendom, yet you still used that your brain filled with ARCHAIC IDEAS to come say the same christendom will go to church on Sunday using the name to SING. That SONG you talked about is it in your song book called SING TO JEHOVAH? Abi na u teach them how to sing using the name JEHOVAH. Na SEALED CASE be your condition anyway, NO GET SENSE PEDDLING compounded with SHAMELESSNESS. |
Re: "Is The Watchtower Organisation A Trustworthy Interpreter Of Scripture?" by johnw47: 6:00am On Jul 17, 2022 |
Mikee19: Mikee19: smile, those false jw's are so confused, it comes from their habitual lying 1 Like |
Re: "Is The Watchtower Organisation A Trustworthy Interpreter Of Scripture?" by johnw47: 8:04am On Jul 17, 2022 |
Janosky: nothing snakey about him, you just love lies: Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies. however brocab was right in calling you sewer mouth, wasn't he there are plenty of your posts to show it 2 Likes |
Re: "Is The Watchtower Organisation A Trustworthy Interpreter Of Scripture?" by Janosky: 4:07pm On Jul 17, 2022 |
Mikee19:Read the screenshots evidences and continue in your folly. johnw47:All your quotes of John 8:44 and the curse of Isaiah 5:20 fall on your deluded head. Deluded , LYING John W con artist, did the screenshot of Mark 12:29 NWT REFUTE his claim about Jehovah in the Greek Scriptures & New World Translation? Ordeh !!!!!
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Re: "Is The Watchtower Organisation A Trustworthy Interpreter Of Scripture?" by Janosky: 4:10pm On Jul 17, 2022 |
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Re: "Is The Watchtower Organisation A Trustworthy Interpreter Of Scripture?" by Janosky: 4:32pm On Jul 17, 2022 |
achorladey: For the record: The same Achorladey saying Jehovah is not God's name now saying his 3 deities devotees "sing using God's name JEHOVAH" |
Re: "Is The Watchtower Organisation A Trustworthy Interpreter Of Scripture?" by Mikee19(m): 4:40pm On Jul 17, 2022 |
Janosky: Sigh... Ayam tired. My tired is tired. I can't be repeating myself over and over again now. Some ppl just want to win argument at all cost. Did you really read what i have been saying or you're just reading to reply so that you "win"? This is the last time I'll respond to you on this matter cos you're not reading, you just want to reply and "win". Doesn't matter to you that you're clearly wrong! Lemme again quote myself: Mikee19: Let me explain my quote, for the last time, in plain English: Shey you see that scripture i quoted ehn, we know that the ppl at that time DID NOT pronounce the name Jehovah! They had tetragrammar in their scrolls! Not a single one of them ever called God using that name "Jehovah" in their whole life before! Even when quoting scripture! So who "helped" them to put that name "Jehovah" inside for them? The Nwt translators! They changed what they said and helped them put "Jehovah" inside even tho we know they didn't pronounce God's name themselves! Because this is a quoted scripture from the old Testament, the translators reckoned that the name Jehovah belongs inside it. So the translators THEMSELVES are the source of "Jehovah" inside that passage, not the ppl themselves who spoke! This will also therefore hold for ANYBODY quoting old Testament scripture as well! The translators will help them put in "Jehovah" even if that's not what the original person said, reasoning that it belongs there as it is a quoted scripture! Because of this trickery (that's what it really is, trickery), I made sure to SPECIFY that I WANT NO QUOTED SCRIPTURE FROM THE OLD TESTAMENT that the JW translators preformed such trickery with their words. Yet that's exact what you brought again, ANOTHER QUOTED SCRIPTURE from the old Testament! This will be my last response to you on this matter. You have no proof, and aren't reading my responses. I can't be repeating myself. Cheers 1 Like |
Re: "Is The Watchtower Organisation A Trustworthy Interpreter Of Scripture?" by Mikee19(m): 5:05pm On Jul 17, 2022 |
Janosky see this thing isn't hard. If Jesus was truly doing what you ppl say he was doing, then it won't be difficult to see him EACH DAY saying "Jehovah Jehovah Jehovah" every time so as to make that name known to his disciples. We won't have to be depending on quoted scripture only. Don't u think he will like to use the name all the time every chance he got? Like every time o! Every second of everyday! That we don't see this happening should prove it enough to you that you're wrong! Not even ONCE! Every time quoted scripture that the translators put "Jehovah" inside! That doesn't even appear in the original manuscript. Very very weak argument 2 Likes |
Re: "Is The Watchtower Organisation A Trustworthy Interpreter Of Scripture?" by Janosky: 5:10pm On Jul 17, 2022 |
immaculatesense:[b]Immaculate LYING & deceiving 3 gullible mumu on 18th June,2022 (screenshots evidences). @ Philippians 2:6, is "Although he was God" in that verse? NEVER ! The forgery of your Trinity mentors is not holy scriptures. Correct rendition: "Although he was in the form of God". Immaculate 2nd Lie: ImmaculateSense, Did Jesus Christ or John 14:28 & John 20:17 claim equality with God his Father? NEVER ! 3rd Lie.. The man claimed Jesus lived inside God. Lazarus was in the bosom of Abraham, did Lazarus live inside Abraham? NEVER ! John 8:38 Jesus is in the presence of his Father. When you are in the presence of your Father,are you living inside your Father? NEVER! 4th LIE :" I am not a Trinitarian" ImmaculateSense is a mentee of Trinitarians, inventors of the man made scam of the Council of Nicene Your Trinity mentors made forgeries in 1Jn5:7, Revelation 1:11, John 10:33,1 Timothy 3:16 & Philippians 2:6 & more. Deceitful lots [/b]
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Re: "Is The Watchtower Organisation A Trustworthy Interpreter Of Scripture?" by achorladey: 5:46pm On Jul 17, 2022 |
Janosky: No get sense peddling peddler don hook. Going from pillar to post to defend a name COINED and handed on a platter of Gold by those who they call BABYLON the GREAT and FALSE CHRISTIANS. Last last na common denominator una share with those you call FALSE CHRISTIANS You must go about with your SHAMELESSNESS and I will continue to remind you and ask how you know CHRISTENDOM uses JEHOVAH when worshiping GOD? 1 Like |
Re: "Is The Watchtower Organisation A Trustworthy Interpreter Of Scripture?" by achorladey: 5:53pm On Jul 17, 2022 |
Mikee19: He only wants you to accept whatever he is posting hook line and sinker. It is not important whether it is true or false. How do you expect a follower to act when his leaders states the below..... They must be ready follow directions even when those directions don't make sense. He is trying to use the same on you. See him cite John 17. When I showed him the word "FATHER" appears more than the word "NAME", he had to look away knowing whatever he was trying to market is not selling. He even pushed a weak defense and roped himself with it by saying..... JESUS READ and QUOTE 2 Likes |
Re: "Is The Watchtower Organisation A Trustworthy Interpreter Of Scripture?" by immaculatesense(m): 6:26pm On Jul 17, 2022 |
Janosky:Do u wonder how people view ur quote on someone's comment. You highlighted wat I explained without understanding of wat I explained anyways...ur just about highlighting.But I trust the wisdom of the people on this thread reading the part of my comment u highlighted and I bliv they understand ur chasing clout. My stand on Trinity has bn made know and how the relationship btw the Father,Christ and the Holy spirit shud be explained. Keep chasing clout anyways...at least,it gets u busy. 1 Like |
Re: "Is The Watchtower Organisation A Trustworthy Interpreter Of Scripture?" by johnw47: 11:52pm On Jul 17, 2022 |
Janosky: lost fraud jw janosky whose claim? who do you think you are talking to now? you will forever have those voices in your head so funny, and talk about deluded, you certainly are and paranoid as hell, it all due to your habitual lying: Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies. |
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