Omofaye99:


Yes it a military exercise and no information from yet, guess they are still investigating the reason behind the crash.


Let wait and see, i have not see any pics yet.

Omofaye99:

Neutrality is the key, stay neutral and take the advantage of the situation to your own favour, South africa understands this. I rather dine with both devils than become an enemy of one.

Omofaye99:


Well Iran is self sufficient when it comes to military, Egypt on the other hand relies on import.

I am not using the global firepower rating.

Odunayaw:
I took the discussion to nemesis4u's thread. Let's go there and enjoy ourselves

Omofaye99:


Well Iran is self sufficient when it comes to military, Egypt on the other hand relies on import.

I am not using the global firepower rating.

jl115:

Iran self sufficient? My bru all there major equipment is imported.... However only difference is Egypt has imported some of the latest and most advanced equipment on the market and Iran has mostly cold War era equipment that have been obsolete for decades..... They have 0 modern fighters(Mig29s are from the late 80s), 0 modern gunships, 0 modern tanks,0 modern artillery(besides the G5 which they only have 50), 0 modern ships..... They literally have nothing

P.s there tanks are frankenstein monsters, just old T72s mated to M60s....

jl115:

Iran self sufficient? My bru all there major equipment is imported.... However only difference is Egypt has imported some of the latest and most advanced equipment on the market and Iran has mostly cold War era equipment that have been obsolete for decades..... They have 0 modern fighters(Mig29s are from the late 80s), 0 modern gunships, 0 modern tanks,0 modern artillery(besides the G5 which they only have 50), 0 modern ships..... They literally have nothing

P.s there tanks are frankenstein monsters, just old T72s mated to M60s....

Buschlaid:


Facts!

I'd say Iran is capable of making very impressive weapons and I wouldn't underestimate them. We cannot also say that either Egypt or Iran is stronger, because A) different doctrine and tactics (e.g. Iran puts a lot of emphasis on drones and ballistic missiles, something Egypt doesn't do as much and rather focuses on conventional weapon systems) B) luck (under this term I imagine a lot of things that are not entirely based on "luck", such as bad choices of enemy) C) different weapon system we often know little about because, and this might be surprising to many, most militaries keep specifications secretive. In fact look at Ukraine x Russia right now. No matter on whose side you are, you have to admit Ukraine is putting up hell of a fight for a country, that most predicted, would fall in 3 days. Contrary to this, many predicted Afghanistan would last a lot longer than it actually did. So unless this conflict happens, we might never know and let's hope we never find out. We can of course guess, but with questionable result.

However, despite Iran producing some weapon systems they mostly built on their own, majority of weapon systems come from abroad or are reverse engineered. For example tank force compromises mostly of T-72S tanks (export version of T-72B1), Safir-74 (T-55 with upgrades like 105mm gun, new engine and Kontakt-1 derivative ERA - i.e. something Egypt also did with T-55E MkII Ramses), Chieftains (upgraded with T-72 engine), M60 tanks... There are of course many prototypes like Karrar, T-72 Rakhsh (only in a few pieces in service) and Zulfiqar. None of which entered service in greater numbers or at all. And this is common phenomenon in many fields, where most of the equipment is license copy/reverse engineered/old and upgraded to some extent/prototype that didn't enter service. Of course I'm not denying that there is some very succesfull and mass produced fully Iranian equipment, like Safir Jeep or Mohajer-6 UAV.

On the other hand, Egypt is either procuring from abroad, building under license production (most of the quipment), upgrading old stuff or producing some of the local equipment, though only a portion compared to other approaches. Egypt is though, just like Iran, capable of producing some of the technologies/equipment on their own without any/with little help from outside.

Exnavyboy62:


Although Egypt's equipments outnumber that of Iran's but yet Iran has its own ideginious weapons which puts them off the hook of lack of spare parts in a scenario of sanctions or arms embargo being placed unlike Egypt that imports almost all their weapons.

Speaking of modern weapons, they have; Iranian made Moudge class frigates, Bavar 373 SAM system, modern UCAVs, just to mention a few.

But all the same, Egypt and Iran butting heads is not likely to occur. Let's set our sight on a more probable Israel/Iran stand-off

jl115:

Iran self sufficient? My bru all there major equipment is imported.... However only difference is Egypt has imported some of the latest and most advanced equipment on the market and Iran has mostly cold War era equipment that have been obsolete for decades..... They have 0 modern fighters(Mig29s are from the late 80s), 0 modern gunships, 0 modern tanks,0 modern artillery(besides the G5 which they only have 50), 0 modern ships..... They literally have nothing



P.s there tanks are frankenstein monsters, just old T72s mated to M60s....

NTSA:
Looking at this map what is the likelihood of conventional, state-to-state conflict between Israel and Iran.?...
Where would be the point of contact?
There are so many variables in play that are being ignored.

Bloodofthelambo:
link pls

Omofaye99:


May never or will never happen


If Israel decides to take the fight to Iran then they are on a suicide mission Iran proxy alone in the middleeast are more than some nations army, Israel will be fighting alone and isolated.


Highest they can do is proxy, and that is where is Iran takes the lead.

Omofaye99:


First no doubt that most of Iran military equipments are old, but when it comes to war Egypt got nothing on Iran..I mean nothing at all.

1. Egypt despite it modern fighters can't get 1km near Iran airspace without getting shot down.

2. Egypt clear lacks the navy power to go against Iran with ships and subs armed with antiship- cruise missile.

3. Iran have ballistic missiles with 2000km range that can hit Egypt, and Egypt have no counter for even cruise missiles.

How do you fight N enemy that can hit you without even getting close, while you are completely restricted from it own airspace.



But I may be wrong though.

lionel4power:
Meanwhile Israel is retaliating against a bullet with airstrikes

Israel is one mean no-nonsense country

lionel4power:
Meanwhile Israel is retaliating against a bullet with airstrikes

Israel is one mean no-nonsense country

NTSA:
Looking at this map what is the likelihood of conventional, state-to-state conflict between Israel and Iran.?...
Where would be the point of contact?
There are so many variables in play that are being ignored.

jl115:

1. How did you get to that conclusion?

jl115:

2. How did you get to that conclusion?

jl115:

3. Iran isn't just going to nuke Egypt... That would be suicide for them....please be realistic


You are wrong

NTSA:

True use of proxies and Missiles is where we are at ...and as we stand Israeli missile technology and air defenses have the upper hand .....but what do we know.

Odunayaw:
It is this hell-hath-no-fury stance of Israel I have tried to communicate to Omofaye99

The USS Liberty is a stark reminder of how loco these guys can be

Omofaye99:


Iran possess different kind of SAM including S300 and it home built Bavar missile similar to the S300.

Khordad missile defence can also intercept stealth jet and cruise missiles. Egypt jets won't survive Iran airspace.



Iran have Ships armed with antiship cruise missiles and are capable of confronting Egypt ships heads on, their subs are well armed with subsurface to surface missiles which will make Egyptian ships an easy prey the missile capability of Iran is enough to make Egypt think twice.



Iran won't nuke Egypt, they don't have nuclear warhead yet. But they can hit Egypt with ballistic missiles if there is war between both nation.

davefurn:
Guys check this out, s400 and buk 101 Vs himars... Couple of comments are doubting it sha, it's left for the pros here to analyse whether it's propaganda or not



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27q0rKeTnUY

Segun2222:
thats not the s400, it's a 1.5m dollars missile it'll never be used against himars rockets unless if the himars was firing an atacms missile

jl115:

- Egypt have some of the most advanced fighters in the world including Rafael, su35, mig29m, f16s.... And the s300 is from the cold War, you think modern fighters can't beat the S300? There are even reports that old SAAF impala were able to stay undetected from the s300 just by flying low.

jl115:

- i'm guessing you think Egypts ships and subs are unarmed hey? ..... My bru just Google Egypts fleet and then Google Irans fleet..... No comparison, Egypt has them beat in quality and quantity

jl115:

- and then Egypt will bomb the sh1t out of them with there much more advanced Airforce

Omofaye99:


Yes..Israel are very mean when it comes to retaliation, but we all saw what happened in 2006 against Hezbollah where they were targeting civilians in the name striking Hezbollah.


Hamas is a weak adversary to Israel, Iran is on another level..strike them and watch the middleeast burn.

Omofaye99:


You mean same s35 that are been shot down in Ukraine even f35 got hit by Syria s200 but Israel denied it which they are known for, mig29 are not invincible either they will be shot down by Iranian Sam systems. The f16 have not confronted s300 yet in combat, until it does..the f16 is not better and won't survive Iran airspace.

impala common I will shoot down those impala with Ak47 rifle



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Egypt has no submarine armed with subsurface or ballistic missiles, Iranian subs will rape Egyptian subs samr with ships.



How will Egypt do that?

Iran can hit Egypt with a distance of 1000+km, Egypt on the other hand will have to fly close to Iran to achieve that and they will be overwhelm and shot down by Iranian SAMs.

Stormtrooper11:


Is it the same Isreal that destroyed Iraqi nuclear reactors you're talking about!!?!