raumdeuter:


Okay. Hope you give this excuse when others make the slip of tongue

Well it depends on the slip of tongue. Peter Obi saying there are 100 Nigerians out of 150 NBA stars does not worry me so much, but a candidate saying he plans to build a 50 million-strong army puts me on very high alert. But yea, we can say they're both a slip of tongue.

raumdeuter:


Okay. Hope you give this excuse when others make the slip of tongue

i think we have really lost about 100 players to USA.

https://basketball.realgm.com/national/countries/39/Nigeria/nba_players

Theflint1:
Peter Obi has had several interviews before this, and we've even discussed the merits and demerits of his strategy for security on this thread. Peter Obi supports state policing, economic restoration of these troubled areas, and non-combative strategies to resolve these conflicts. He's also said if all of these strategies fail, he's ready to revert back to more conventional means of handling terrorists.

If you watched the recent BBC Eye documentary on banditry and ethnic conflicts up North, you'd see we can't say it's simply terrorists wanting to terrorise, there's nuance to these issues.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-fPEHUqhyA

I do agree though, this last interview was far from stellar, he's had better ones and we shouldn't be too quick to write off certain candidates when we have other candidates who're actively dodging scrutiny and we still cannot point to what they have to offer.

In my opinion. It's completely pointless to point out the economic factors behind current insecurity, because the economic issues cannot

1. Be addressed without establishing new baseline for security

2. Addressed in enough time to have an immediate impact on the security challenges anyway. In fact, I don't expect those kind of results within a hypothetical 8 year tenure.

All the talk about creating jobs blah blah is pointless and obfuscates the simple fact that it's not government that creates jobs - it's the private sector.

Private sector needs 4 things to thrive

1. Security
2. Power
3. Environment that facilitates innovation
4. Protection to profit from said innovation.

All 4 are missing in Nigeria. Of these 4, number 1 is probably the easiest to address in a somewhat timely manner - recruit and equip.

The real problem with security isn't even the poverty in the land imo, its the fact the successive governments have deliberately weakened all aspects of the military partly to steal money, but mostly to ensure that the military are never in a position to launch future coups.

That's , in my opinion, the unaddressed elephant in the room. Somebody has to be willing to materially strengthen our armed forces at the risk of potentially empowering aspiring coupists.

Obi has consistently showing through his constant focus on his capitalist rhetoric that he's not that guy. The man said in this interview that he would make federal police subject to state governors- what an inane thing to say.

I'm not sorry to say that your man is a joke.

Another angle

Segedinho:

i think we have really lost about 100 players to USA.

https://basketball.realgm.com/national/countries/39/Nigeria/nba_players

onyemaair:


So why don't they clamp down on it effectively?

The biggest problem the discos have is the old nepa culture. Legacy staff are propagating the government company attitude. And this is still trickling down.

There was a thread on it the other day. Field staff are aware of meter bypass issues but prefer to collect settlement from the culprits. Basically Bleep over your employer and your company income for your own pocket.

Which is why I say government company culture. The same one where you work three days out of five.

Segedinho:

i think we have really lost about 100 players to USA.

https://basketball.realgm.com/national/countries/39/Nigeria/nba_players

You mean Nigerians are 100 out of 150 NBA players?

nihilistjnr:


This interview was painful to listen to.

This man has nothing to offer

The security part was crazy. I know what I want to so but won't say it yet

Soludo has said it all about him. He's simply a Trader Pro Max!

On the Security part, wait till he consults his madman (special Adviser on Security Matters) before he gives more details.

YouTube Clip you're sharing on every page had been shared by me on this same Thread. So it's nothing new.

GloriousGbola:


The biggest problem the discos have is the old nepa culture. Legacy staff are propagating the government company attitude. And this is still trickling down.

There was a thread on it the other day. Field staff are aware of meter bypass issues but prefer to collect settlement from the culprits. Basically Bleep over your employer and your company income for your own pocket.

Which is why I say government company culture. The same one where you work three days out of five.

I'm a 100% sure that Onyemaair cannot be completely right upstairs.

The same guy that said this:

onyemaair:

Lastly let me tell you the icing on the cake, I haven't paid nepa bill in 3 years. Around us we have people that rig the meter, so it doesn't read. When the nepa people come much later, we settle the staff and he goes. This cannot happen in abroad.

Is now asking why discos don't clampdown on meter bypassers more effectively...

Like bruh...

Theflint1:
Well it depends on the slip of tongue. Peter Obi saying there are 100 Nigerians out of 150 NBA stars does not worry me so much, but a candidate saying he plans to build a 50 million-strong army puts me on very high alert. But yea, we can say they're both a slip of tongue.

It doesn't worry you that much that he falsify easily verifiable facts like the number of watches he owns, him bringing International Breweries to Nigeria, among others

When you lie about basic facts like that we start to wonder where does the lie begin and end. What can we actually take from your statements as facts?

Fashola (a BAT Boy) schooled Seun convincingly. Our Naija Luther King thought he's still on AriseTV, thus he seems not prepared..... LMFAO!

nihilistjnr:


I'm a 100% sure that Onyemaair cannot be completely right upstairs.

The same guy that said this:


Is now asking why discos don't clampdown on meter bypassers more effectively...

Like bruh...

Most of us as Nigerians unfortunately do not comprehend cause and effect. It is easier to blame everything on leaders or village people or spiritual attack.

This story of government worker indifference plays out everywhere. And it multiples cumulatively until we are bleeped in every sector.

GloriousGbola:


Most of us as Nigerians unfortunately do not comprehend cause and effect. It is easier to blame everything on leaders or village people or spiritual attack.

This story of government worker indifference plays out everywhere. And it multiples cumulatively until we are bleeped in every sector.

Apt!

GloriousGbola:


Most of us as Nigerians unfortunately do not comprehend cause and effect. It is easier to blame everything on leaders or village people or spiritual attack.

This story of government worker indifference plays out everywhere. And it multiples cumulatively until we are bleeped in every sector.

Govt gives meter to capture readings, we rig it
Govt send officials to monitor, we bribe them
Govt gives you a job, you ghost it
Then complain how govt isn't doing enough

What else should govt do in this instance short of Buhari himself coming down to everyone's house and job to ensure we are complying

If Obi becomes president will that suddenly make us have a change of heart to stop ghosting work, to stop rigging meters or to stop bribing officials. Or Obi will give us light we don't have to pay for, jobs we don't have to report to, food for free, money for all since Nigeria is rich enough

nihilistjnr:


I'm a 100% sure that Onyemaair cannot be completely right upstairs.

The same guy that said this:
Is now asking why discos don't clampdown on meter bypassers more effectively...
Like bruh...

Truly you like finding who to fight with. I will not go down that lane with you.
If you were smart, you would see that the fact that nepa officials are complicit in shortchanging their own company is part of the dysfunctional system I'm talking about.

If their own staff are complicit in shortchanging their own company, how will meter rigging not thrive? Am I the NEPA staff accepting bribes or outrightly encouraging it? It's all part of the dysfunctional system I'm talking about.
I am still looking for where I insulted you that will make you insult me but okay.

raumdeuter:


Govt gives meter to capture readings, we rig it
Govt send officials to monitor, we bribe them

Then complain how govt isn't doing enough

What else should govt do in this instance short of Buhari himself coming down to everyone's house

When disco now vex come with task force and mopol on meter certification exercise , then we hear human rights

GloriousGbola:


When disco now vex come with task force and mopol on meter certification exercise , then we hear human rights

How many houses can mopol visit? The next best option is to pass the cost to those who they can catch. So they will continue to get estimated bloated bills while you pay nothing

Oasis007:


Fashola (a BAT Boy) schooled Seun convincingly. Our Naija Luther King thought he's still on AriseTV, thus he seems not prepared..... LMFAO!

Imagine boldly calling fashola, "a BAT boy". Like, are you urchins not ashamed? You are using the "supposed intellect" of a 60 year old man to accord praise to a drug baron because the Parkinson riddled drug baron is too ashamed and fearful of disgracing himself on live television. Are you normal like this? "Bat boy"

GloriousGbola:


When disco now vex come with task force and mopol on meter certification exercise , then we hear human rights

.... then Doltś like Onyemair would rush on social media to crying EndSars and start tagging UN, US Embassy, EU Mission and so on.

onyemaair:

Truly you like finding who to fight with. I will not go down that lane with you.
If you were smart, you would see that the fact that nepa officials are complicit in shortchanging their own company is part of the dysfunctional system I'm talking about.

If their own staff are complicit in shortchanging their own company, how will meter rigging not thrive? Am I the NEPA staff accepting bribes or outrightly encouraging it? It's all part of the dysfunctional system I'm talking about.
I am still looking for where I insulted you that will make you insult me but okay.

I said I'm not convinced you're completely with it, and quite frankly, I'm now more likely to believe that you're definitely not sane.

YOU are the one that bypassed meter
YOU are the one bribing the disco staff to look the other way

But instead of acknowledging the role that YOU are actively playing to mess things up for everyone else, you are blaming

1. The discos for not clamping down on YOUR actions
2. The disco staff for taking YOUR bribe to look the other way

I'm actually surprised you haven't blamed me yet for YOUR actions.

It's like said, you don't seem to understand cause and effect, and how having 100 Onyemaairs can wreak havoc on any business. This lack of ownership and accountability is usually present in people with compromised mental faculties.

I'm not insulting you when I say I don't think you're altogether there upstairs - you're actually presenting as a mad man

onyemaair:

Truly you like finding who to fight with. I will not go down that lane with you.
If you were smart, you would see that the fact that nepa officials are complicit in shortchanging their own company is part of the dysfunctional system I'm talking about.

If their own staff are complicit in shortchanging their own company, how will meter rigging not thrive? Am I the NEPA staff accepting bribes or outrightly encouraging it? It's all part of the dysfunctional system I'm talking about.
I am still looking for where I insulted you that will make you insult me but okay.

You are missing the point.

You are a symptom of the same issue. This is government work, and so I can come to work 3days a week. Salary go still dey.

This is nepa work is government work, so if I reduce my employer income no one is hurt.

Like so many Nigerians, you have chosen to be a gear in the dysfunctional system you complain about

Someone or some people in nnpc thought the exact same way when they flooded this nation with adulterated fuel. Govt company, there will be no consequences. Continue

Every fked up thing in this country comes back to this. I have supervised projects where we have gotten all lasbca approvals and we have had it students come to shake us down.

They were driven solely by the money they could make. They had an expectation to be settled. An entitlement mentality. They have seen their ogas and they have taken the culture.

How will we not have buildings collapsing when the regulators want money over everything else?

onyemaair:


Imagine boldly calling fashola, "a BAT boy". Like, are you urchins not ashamed? You are using the "supposed intellect" of a 60 year old man to accord praise to a drug baron because the Parkinson riddled drug baron is too ashamed and fearful of disgracing himself on live television. Are you normal like this? "Bat boy"

I engage responsible Citizens only. Pay your Tax, pay your Bills and then we can have a Conversation.

nihilistjnr:


I said I'm not convinced you're completely with it, and quite frankly, I'm now more likely to believe that you're definitely not sane.

YOU are the one that bypassed meter
YOU are the one bribing the disco staff to look the other way

But instead of acknowledging the role that YOU are actively playing to mess things up for everyone else, you are blaming

1. The discos for not clamping down on YOUR actions
2. The disco staff for taking YOUR bribe to look the other way

I'm actually surprised you haven't blamed me yet for YOUR actions.

It's like said, you don't seem to understand cause and effect, and how having 100 Onyemaairs can wreak havoc on any business. This lack of ownership and accountability is usually present in people with compromised mental faculties.

I'm not insulting you when I say I don't think you're altogether there upstairs - you're actually presenting as a mad man

Apt!

GloriousGbola:




You are missing the point.

You are a symptom of the same issue. This is government work, and so I can come to work 3days a week. Salary go still dey.

This is nepa work is government work, so if I reduce my employer income no one is hurt.

Like so many Nigerians, you have chosen to be a gear in the dysfunctional system you complain about.

Someone or some people in nnpc thought the exact same way when they flooded this nation with adulterated fuel. Govt company, there will be no consequences. Continue

Every fked up thing in this country comes back to this. I have supervised projects where we have gotten all lasbca approvals and we have had it students come to shake us down.

They were driven solely by the money they could make. They had an expectation to be settled. An entitlement mentality. They have seen their ogas and they have taken the culture.

How will we not have buildings collapsing when the regulators want money over everything else?

Apt!

GloriousGbola:




You are missing the point.

You are a symptom of the same issue. This is government work, and so I can come to work 3days a week. Salary go still dey.

This is nepa work is government work, so if I reduce my employer income no one is hurt.

Like so many Nigerians, you have chosen to be a gear in the dysfunctional system you complain about

Someone or some people in nnpc thought the exact same way when they flooded this nation with adulterated fuel. Govt company, there will be no consequences. Continue

Every fked up thing in this country comes back to this. I have supervised projects where we have gotten all lasbca approvals and we have had it students come to shake us down.

They were driven solely by the money they could make. They had an expectation to be settled. An entitlement mentality. They have seen their ogas and they have taken the culture.

How will we not have buildings collapsing when the regulators want money over everything else?

Now imagine someone in ministry of defence, police or NSA thinking the same thing. Why do soldiers need more than 10 bullets when they can share 5 between 3 soldiers to fight BokoHaram, Bandits herdsmen and UGM

Why do ministry of defence workers need to go to work when they can ghost it.

Why do we need to spend 1billion when we can chop 80% of it and only buy weapons with small amount

There have been reports of top military brass Doing this thinking that's their way of exploiting the country, not doing what they get paid for and rigging laid down monitors not knowing that indirectly they are fuelling insecurity, causing the death of the soldiers and citizens.

Reducing the security situation to simply arming and recruiting men is a rather simplistic take on the issue. There are underlying issues that bother on:

- The age-long history between the warring tribes
- Drought and desertification
- Ancient cultural practices like nomadic cattle herding
- Establishing trust between the people there and the Nigerian state
- And of course, public procurement

The war on terror has been on for at least 12 years and in the 2022 budget, Buhari allocated about a trillion to defence. There's money being pumped into security but much of it has been embezzled. Yusuf-Datti, Peter Obi's running mate has once tried passing a bill to address current public procurement issues and they've made it one of their campaign promises to fix public procurement. Every now and again we see top military guys accused of embezzlement that are running billions a better public procurement policy will fix this. Improved procurement will give us better armed and better compensated military officials.

Def 8 years is not going to fix all of these issues and yes, terrorists will be treated as terrorists but we need to think long-term in dealing with these issues.

nihilistjnr:


In my opinion. It's completely pointless to point out the economic factors behind current insecurity, because the economic issues cannot

1. Be addressed without establishing new baseline for security

2. Addressed in enough time to have an immediate impact on the security challenges anyway. In fact, I don't expect those kind of results within a hypothetical 8 year tenure.

All the talk about creating jobs blah blah is pointless and obfuscates the simple fact that it's not government that creates jobs - it's the private sector.

Private sector needs 4 things to thrive

1. Security
2. Power
3. Environment that facilitates innovation
4. Protection to profit from said innovation.

All 4 are missing in Nigeria. Of these 4, number 1 is probably the easiest to address in a somewhat timely manner - recruit and equip.

The real problem with security isn't even the poverty in the land imo, its the fact the successive governments have deliberately weakened all aspects of the military partly to steal money, but mostly to ensure that the military are never in a position to launch future coups.

That's , in my opinion, the unaddressed elephant in the room. Somebody has to be willing to materially strengthen our armed forces at the risk of potentially empowering aspiring coupists.

Obi has consistently showing through his constant focus on his capitalist rhetoric that he's not that guy. The man said in this interview that he would make federal police subject to state governors- what an inane thing to say.

I'm not sorry to say that your man is a joke.

Peter Obi said as Governor, anytime his convoy stops to buy fuel, he comes down from his car to pay for the petrol by himself.

..... LMFAO!

When you stack these lies beside a candidate that lied about the university they attended, the primary/secondary school they attended, their state of origin and even their name, it pales.

raumdeuter:


It doesn't worry you that much that he falsify easily verifiable facts like the number of watches he owns, him bringing International Breweries to Nigeria, among others

When you lie about basic facts like that we start to wonder where does the lie begin and end. What can we actually take from your statements as facts?

Massive Project commissioned by a LG Chairman in Delta State (an Oil producing State).

Project of Ifelodun LCDA (not LG) Chairman in Lagos.

GloriousGbola:

You are missing the point.

You are a symptom of the same issue. This is government work, and so I can come to work 3days a week. Salary go still dey.
This is nepa work is government work, so if I reduce my employer income no one is hurt.
Like so many Nigerians, you have chosen to be a gear in the dysfunctional system you complain about

Someone or some people in nnpc thought the exact same way when they flooded this nation with adulterated fuel. Govt company, there will be no consequences. Continue

Every fked up thing in this country comes back to this. I have supervised projects where we have gotten all lasbca approvals and we have had it students come to shake us down.

They were driven solely by the money they could make. They had an expectation to be settled. An entitlement mentality. They have seen their ogas and they have taken the culture.

How will we not have buildings collapsing when the regulators want money over everything else?

No I'm not missing the point.

If the NEPA officials did not facilitate an environment of bribery, it would not occur.
And that bribery occurs because people at the top of the company are also failing in their responsibility. Those at the top of the company and the regulators themselves should do a better job of regulation and fieldchecks. Weed out the bad eggs amongst the staff and impose tough penalties and possible law enforcement on those that defraud their own employers.

As I said earlier, all these are a product of a dysfunctional system and that blame falls on those at the very top.

As for my own federal work. I have said it countlessly that I do not abdicate personal responsibility. I work 3 times a day because we are not allocated any work. We sit in office all day doing practically nothing, whose fault is that?
I work in the federal inspectorate services as a high level officer and for us to go into the field to supervise various government workers, we are supposed to be assigned and also designated special allowances to cover the duration and logistics of the work. The federal government rarely sanctions these things, hence rendering us impotent. Who do we blame?

When you point out that I go to work just 3 days, it would appear as if I'm not doing something that I'm supposed to get done when in essence, THERE IS NOTHING FOR ME TO DO. In my lower levels, I worked my back off. We did much more than we were supposed to, all these still point to the dysfunctional system I talk about.
Things are not working as they are supposed to and I for one wish to see our country functioning normally. I project that hope on Peter Obi because he's clearly the most competent compared to the top 3 contenders.

Theflint1:
When you stack these lies beside a candidate that lied about the university they attended, the primary/secondary school they attended, their state of origin and even their name, it pales.

Which lie about university attended? I thought many people have contacted Chicago State University and they confirmed he graduated from their school