Are they fighting for their selfish interests or that of the students?

Personally, I don’t get seduced by the facade of fighting the government every time in the name of strike and people will willingly pull their strides behind ASUU. It doesn’t always move me. I want to ask the question; is ASUU really fighting for the well-being of the students, or are they using the fact that Nigeria is a failed government to clone as a facade to pursue their selfish interests, because they know that people will always fall behind them?

If ASUU is fighting for the welfare of the students, why won’t they also consider the welfare of the students and return to school? Why are they so comfortable that our students are at home since February, 2022 up till now? That is a period of 5 months and they are not even ready to move.

They don’t even care. As for me, I don’t support the Nigerian Labour Congress (NLC) joining ASUU in the strike. If ASUU is fighting for the welfare of the students, and they want us to believe that they have no ulterior motive, why haven’t they come out with their templates and convince Nigerians of their demands? Have they explained to the students exactly what they are fighting for and how it will benefit the students when granted?

During my days as a student, up till now, ASUU have always gone on strike and part of their demands have always been met, but I have never seen any significant improvement in the services they render to the students. The lecturers still trade sex for marks, they still sell books, handouts and collect inducements before a student passes their courses. And most importantly, they have not improved their teaching modules to enhance the education they offer.

So, how exactly is their protest in the interest of the students?

I want to know, and would be glad if anyone can help me out.

Cc. Mynd44, lalasticalala Dominique Seun.

They are fighting for their pockets and not the overall inerest of the students and the university system as we are being made to believe.

Though the government has reneged on some agreements it had with the union, but none of this should be happening

By 2023 there would no longer be universities and polytechnics in Nigeria.

This I have seen.

so you actually think they'll fight for students? not in africa

They're both extremely greedy, selfish and self centered.. to hell with them!!

I'll drop my comment. Let me cough first


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This issue had been previously overflogged here on NL. I think around 2010 or 2011, before that NL crash .

ASUU is another political organisation. I pity for any silly student that joins ASUU in castigating the government. I graduated in 2007 and before I graduated, every strike ASUU engaged in they kept saying they were fighting for student. And my questions has always been how? See I know my position is not the popular one but if we all sit down and apply common sense you will see the sense in what I'm saying. Now ask yourself, how many of these top ASUU chairman kids attends schools in Nigeria. If we are saying our leaders destroyed the country ASUU are among the leaders destroying Nigeria and the earlier Nigerians realise this the better. A Professor is a Nigerian leader, A VC is a Nigerian leader, etc

Now here is the crux of the matter. There is no reason why any of these civil servants (Doctors, teachers, journalists, Police, Army) should go on strike, I repeat no reason. In Nigeria however we have seen doctors going on strike abandoning patients who might even be on life support to die simply because government did not pay them enough. How crazy does that sound. It is also the same madness that has continually occurred in the teaching profession. Now I'm not holding brief for government. Nigerian government has been useless over the years to say the least. There is no civil servant that will tell you today that he/she is satisfied with what the government has done in their agency and praise the government. But how many of them do you see engaging frequently on strike? I want to use the Nigerian Army in this regard as a case study. These guys has never gone on strike even when it was clear that government bought fake bullet proof and all manner of nonsense that have been meted out on them. These guys are still on the job. It is not easy. It's not easy for anyone in this country and the least we would expect from unions is to alleviate or reduce the problem of the common man. My own humble submission is for government to either scrap the Union(ASUU) or they could make it in a manner that joining ASUU should not be mandatory. Rather there should be two or three recognised union where every staff can choose to join any and choose who and when you will pay your dues. The dues should not be automatic deduction from your salary. The Union are thieves and if NANS was still a credible union it should have engaged them seriously.

I expect to be insulted for this opinion though

Even if you say student, is it the ones that are already carried away by useless BBNAIJA??

Nigeria matter tire me to bone to be honest

Nazgul:
Are they fighting for their selfish interests or that of the students?

Personally, I don’t get seduced by the facade of fighting the government every time in the name of strike and people will willingly pull their strides behind ASUU. It doesn’t always move me. I want to ask the question; is ASUU really fighting for the well-being of the students, or are they using the fact that Nigeria is a failed government to clone as a facade to pursue their selfish interests, because they know that people will always fall behind them?

If ASUU is fighting for the welfare of the students, why won’t they also consider the welfare of the students and return to school? Why are they so comfortable that our students are at home since February, 2022 up till now? That is a period of 5 months and they are not even ready to move.

They don’t even care. As for me, I don’t support the Nigerian Labour Congress (NLC) joining ASUU in the strike. If ASUU is fighting for the welfare of the students, and they want us to believe that they have no ulterior motive, why haven’t they come out with their templates and convince Nigerians of their demands? Have they explained to the students exactly what they are fighting for and how it will benefit the students when granted?

During my days as a student, up till now, ASUU have always gone on strike and part of their demands have always been met, but I have never seen any significant improvement in the services they render to the students. The lecturers still trade sex for marks, they still sell books, handouts and collect inducements before a student passes their courses. And most importantly, they have not improved their teaching modules to enhance the education they offer.

So, how exactly is their protest in the interest of the students?

I want to know, and would be glad if anyone can help me out.

Cc. Mynd44, lalasticalala Dominique Seun.

Who's interest are you writing this crap

ASUU is fighting for the interest of her members not students.

Check all their demands, none of it will directly affect student positively

If you can't afford a private university, ASUU is fighting for you.

If you're a hater of covenant, Madonna, landmark, KDUM, Tansian and other high fee universities then ASUU is fighting for you.

If you still want your children to benefit from good academics then ASUU is fighting for you.

If you still want your certificate to be valid and used to process your documents to Japa out of this country then ASUU is fighting for you (Remember Abia state polytechnic).

If you want to see Nigeria progress then ASUU is fighting for you.

The university is the last of our public school system left to be conquered by the political elites. They came for the primary schools we applauded them, after all primary education doesn't matter, private primary schools can do the job, then they came for the secondary education, we still left them to destroy it, the effect is examination malpractice. Lastly, they are targeting the peak of our education and people are blaming the defenders and not the offenders. If the government destroys our public universities then education will only be limited to the elites and those who intend to leave naija using their certificates will be stock cos your certificate won't be acceptable in any country.

Confucius said "when workers are paid well they're motivated to work well"

How much do you pay primary school teachers, how much do you pay secondary school teachers. You pay a teacher #10k in private school and you expect him to do wonders.

Those backing the government don't know that they are promoting illiteracy and backwardness. Most countries don't value our certificates. I wonder want becomes of you after studying medicine, nursings, engineering, physics, chemistry etc and you are told that your certificate is not recognize abroad then you'll understand what you've opted to defend. What of those doing PhD and MSc just to finish and be informed that you can't go beyond Nigeria with your PG certificate. God forbid

If ASUU perish we all perish

Stay blessed

Hate lecturers all you want but they are still parents, they have their responsibilities and they deserve a good working environment.


Many of them are assholes tho.

Nobody is fighting for anybody in this country. Everyone is fighting for his or her interest. ASUU will always be a problem irrespective of who is president or which party is in office.

There are only two solutions to the ASUU problem:
1. FG should completely stop funding university education. Parents should be made to pay what is commensurate for the university education they want for their kids.

2. Government should scrap National ASUU completely. Each university should have an independent union to address local issues peculiar only to the university. Even if it’s going to take prolong strike and mass sacking to achieve this, it is worth the trouble.

There is no easy solution to the ASUU problem. FG need to make a tough, painful and firm decision on the union. Pandering to the union every time by signing crazy agreements that can’t be implemented has never worked and will never worked. It’s better to disrupt the system once and for all.

seunmsg:
Nobody is fighting for anybody in this country. Everyone is fighting for his or her interest. ASUU will always be a problem irrespective of who is president or which party is in office.

There are only two solutions to the ASUU problem:
1. FG should completely stop funding university education. Parents should be made to pay what is commensurate for the university education they want for their kids.

2. Government should scrap National ASUU completely. Each university should have an independent union to address local issues peculiar only to the university. Even if it’s going to take prolong strike and mass sacking to achieve this, it is worth the trouble.

There is no easy solution to the ASUU problem. FG need to make a tough, painful and firm decision on the union. Pandering to the union every time by signing crazy agreements that can’t be implemented has never worked and will never worked. It’s better to disrupt the system once and for all.

And you said you're campaigning for who again? Lord have mercy.

Please people should come and see ooo. If this is the best of APC then we are doomed already.

So, APC is fighting for APC and Tinubu is fighting for himself alone and not Nigerians. Nigerians come and see ooo

God1000:
They are fighting for their pockets and not the overall inerest of the students and the university system as we are being made to believe.

Though the government has reneged on some agreements it had with the union, but none of this should be happening

Exactly my point.

Karleb:
Hate lecturers all you want but they are still parents, they have their responsibilities and they deserve a good working environment.


Many of them are assholes tho.

Haven't you noticed that students are closer to their secondary school teachers than their university lectures upon graduation.

My secondary school old students association has a Facebook page of which I'm a member of, at the end of the year we usually hangout at designated locations, celebrate life and raise contributions for some of our teachers who are in need.

No one does that for university lectures because most of them are sadist, wicked, vengeful...etc. Also, most Nigerian lectures lack the ability to impact knowledge on their students. They teach with anger frustration, some are so lazy to keep up lecturing appointments with students that they just hand over course material to the course rep to photocopy for the students.

If you claim to be a parent, you must see every child you mentor in class as your child, and do everything within you ability to ensure that they get the best from you. That's what every good parents does. Unfortunately our lectures do the exact opposite.

seunmsg:
Nobody is fighting for anybody in this country. Everyone is fighting for his or her interest. ASUU will always be a problem irrespective of who is president or which party is in office.

There are only two solutions to the ASUU problem:
1. FG should completely stop funding university education. Parents should be made to pay what is commensurate for the university education they want for their kids.

2. Government should scrap National ASUU completely. Each university should have an independent union to address local issues peculiar only to the university. Even if it’s going to take prolong strike and mass sacking to achieve this, it is worth the trouble.

There is no easy solution to the ASUU problem. FG need to make a tough, painful and firm decision on the union. Pandering to the union every time by signing crazy agreements that can’t be implemented has never worked and will never worked. It’s better to disrupt the system once and for all.

These suggestions would be great if implemented. The only disadvantage of this suggestion is that tuition fee of government owned institutions would skyrocket and might even overtake that of private schools.

Such development would make it almost impossible for the average Nigerian parent to comfortably train his child in the university.

ASUU is fighting for themselves and themselves only. It's so sad that student's have to suffer because of the greed is their parents.

Nazgul:

These suggestions would be great if implemented. The only disadvantage of this suggestion is that tuition fee of government owned institutions would skyrocket and might even overtake that of private schools.

Such development would make it almost impossible for the average Nigerian parent to comfortably train his child in the university.

The current system of FG subsidizing University education is not sustainable. Parents must brace up and be willing to pay what’s commensurate for educating their kids. FG can also put in place a bursary award and student loan system to support indigent students.

seunmsg:


The current system of FG subsidizing University education is not sustainable. Parents must brace up and be willing to pay what’s commensurate for educating their kids. FG can also put in place a bursary award and student loan system to support indigent students.

I want to believe that you are an ordinary Nigerian because rich kids do not sleep on public forum defending failures.
my question is how easy was it for your parents to pay school fees when things were better let alone now that the useless party you support have destroyed all that Nigerians can be proud of?
answer this and I have another for you

seunmsg:


The current system of FG subsidizing University education is not sustainable. Parents must brace up and be willing to pay what’s commensurate for educating their kids. FG can also put in place a bursary award and student loan system to support indigent students.

Knowing how corrupt our system is how feasible can this be?

We all read about the subsidy scam during Jonathan's government years back running into hundreds of millions.

What's to say that the busary award and students loan system wouldn't be highjacked and the funds diverted to private accounts?

Nigeria isn't Europe or America where a decision can be implemented and after a few years things would go back to being normal, in Nigeria, there would be those who would see it as a lifetime opportunity of enriching their entire generation. And knowing how soft the government has been reacting to corruption over the years, I believe it's safe to say that such idea would do more harm than good to our educational system. Cos while some parent would have to pay through their nose just to send their kids to school, a larger majority wouldn't be able to afford it.

Nazgul:

Knowing how corrupt our system is how feasible can this be?

We all read about the subsidy scam during Jonathan's government years back running into hundreds of millions.

What's to say that the busary award and students loan system wouldn't be highjacked and the funds diverted to private accounts?

Nigeria isn't Europe or America where a decision can be implemented and after a few years things would go back to being normal, in Nigeria, there would be those who would see it as a lifetime opportunity of enriching their entire generation. And knowing how soft the government has been reacting to corruption over the years, I believe it's safe to say that such idea would do more harm than good to our educational system. Cos while some parent would have to pay through their nose just to send their kids to school, a larger majority wouldn't be able to afford it.

What do you think is the solution to the unending ASUU strikes?

You are wrong dear...I'm a student and i support ASUU 100%
The government have completely failed in every single aspect. In my school for example they have removed the salaries of sweepers, cleaners etc from it's payroll. That means that the school now have to pay these workers since they offer essential services.
And predictably the school have turned to the students charging them all manner of fees in order to fill up the loop hole left by the government.
Projects, practicals that should normally be for free for students or simply be done by the school are now being paid for by the students, whom are supervised by visibly disgruntled and underpaid teachers that will still charge these students for actually doing the school's work, in the form of bribe for marks.

seunmsg:


What do you think is the solution to the unending ASUU strikes?

1. As a nation we have to get our priorities right if we really want to develop technologically. A quick check on the budgetary allocation for education sector over the years clearly reveals that the figures allocated to education is so paltry that one can hardly achieve anything with it. It is against this backdrop that I am recommending that henceforth, the education sector should be allocated a reasonable share of our annual budget.

2. Education is capital intensive, therefore the Federal Government cannot do it alone. I would therefore recommend that Alumni Associations support and offer endowments as it is done in other climes. And also in the areas of infrastructural development through the provision of adequate potable water, regular power supply, world-class lecture theatres, hostels, functional laboratories...etc.

3. It is imperative that salaries and welfare packages of university lecturers should be reviewed from time to time. In Peter Obi's interview with channels TV yesterday, he said something that touched me. He said the salary and allowance of a local government chairman is higher than a university professor. It's very sad, and you would agree with me that a situation whereby lecturers are on the same salary for over 13 years without increment does not augur well.

Finally I just have to agree with you that public universities in Nigeria if they must thrive, must be autonomous. But only when numbers 1-3 have been met and visible growth has been recorded in the institution. Anything outside that would spell doom for parents and students.

Nazgul:

These suggestions would be great if implemented. The only disadvantage of this suggestion is that tuition fee of government owned institutions would skyrocket and might even overtake that of private schools.

Such development would make it almost impossible for the average Nigerian parent to comfortably train his child in the university.

If the average Nigerian parent does not train his child in the University, is that a crime? University Education is a scam and irrelevant. If the system was working, every SSCE holder should be able to get a decent job and start his/her life from there. If you then decide to further your education that should be your choice and responsibility not your parent. The system is failed that's why we rely on parents to still be training someone who is above 18 years. If we want our educational value to rise government should make the university autonomous. Most of the institution problems will even be solved faster. Sex for grades, incompetent lecturers, lecturers deliberately failing students and so on will be solved faster.

Nairariver:
You are wrong dear...I'm a student and i support ASUU 100%
The government have completely failed in every single aspect. In my school for example they have removed the salaries of sweepers, cleaners etc from it's payroll. That means that the school now have to pay these workers since they offer essential services.
And predictably the school have turned to the students charging them all manner of fees in order to fill up the loop hole left by the government.
Projects, practicals that should normally be for free for students or simply be done by the school are now being paid for by the students, whom are supervised by visibly disgruntled and underpaid teachers that will still charge these students for actually doing the school's work, in the form of bribe for marks.

My dear it's the institutions responsibility to sort out the salaries of sweepers and cleaners and not the federal government.

Cleaners are employed by faculties and it's the Dean's responsibility to raise money to run his faculty. That's why you pay faculty dues. Some faculties offer pre-science, diploma and part-time programs for prospective students. Monies realised from such programs are not remitted to the federal government account but are shared between the school and the faculty. In case you're not aware any program outside the regular undergraduate degree program, PGD, Msc and PhD has nothing to do with the government and are not recognized by the government that's why students who partake in them aren't eligible for NYSC.

So the question remains, what do they use monies realised from such programs for?

If the government is subsidizing education by allocating billions to the ministry of education, universities shouldn't frustrate the process by looting funds realized through other channels. Such funds should be used in payment of domestic staffs such as cleaners...etc, hired by the faculty.

Do you know that during my time as an undergraduate, our faculty was always in darkness...to see light to charge your phone and rechargable lamp in the classroom was easier than walking on water. Would you blame that on the government also? Where's all the money they're generating going if they can't use it to effectively manage the plants and transformers in the faculty?

khadaffi:


If the average Nigerian parent does not train his child in the University, is that a crime? University Education is a scam and irrelevant. If the system was working, every SSCE holder should be able to get a decent job and start his/her life from there. If you then decide to further your education that should be your choice and responsibility not your parent. The system is failed that's why we rely on parents to still be training someone who is above 18 years. If we want our educational value to rise government should make the university autonomous. Most of the institution problems will even be solved faster. Sex for grades, incompetent lecturers, lecturers deliberately failing students and so on will be solved faster.

You made a very important point...the system has failed. This clearly means that we must get the system working again before we can grow to the point where an 18 year old can easily sustain himself in school.

And part of the process in getting the system working again involves us relying on our parents for support whilst hoping that the government would continue to locate reasonable budget to the educational sectors.

I saw a thread on the homepage a while ago about Peter Obi proposing to increase striking lecturers' salary, but they turned down his request to ask for other things.

Truth be told, ASUU strike is complex and most likely unique every time.... But one thing is certain - it has nothing to do with the well being of the students.

Paulheyman:
If you can't afford a private university, ASUU is fighting for you.

If you're a hater of covenant, Madonna, landmark, KDUM, Tansian and other high fee universities then ASUU is fighting for you.

If you still want your children to benefit from good academics then ASUU is fighting for you.

If you still want your certificate to be valid and used to process your documents to Japa out of this country then ASUU is fighting for you (Remember Abia state polytechnic).

If you want to see Nigeria progress then ASUU is fighting for you.

The university is the last of our public school system left to be conquered by the political elites. They came for the primary schools we applauded them, after all primary education doesn't matter, private primary schools can do the job, then they came for the secondary education, we still left them to destroy it, the effect is examination malpractice. Lastly, they are targeting the peak of our education and people are blaming the defenders and not the offenders. If the government destroys our public universities then education will only be limited to the elites and those who intend to leave naija using their certificates will be stock cos your certificate won't be acceptable in any country.

Confucius said "when workers are paid well they're motivated to work well"

How much do you pay primary school teachers, how much do you pay secondary school teachers. You pay a teacher #10k in private school and you expect him to do wonders.

Those backing the government don't know that they are promoting illiteracy and backwardness. Most countries don't value our certificates. I wonder want becomes of you after studying medicine, nursings, engineering, physics, chemistry etc and you are told that your certificate is not recognize abroad then you'll understand what you've opted to defend. What of those doing PhD and MSc just to finish and be informed that you can't go beyond Nigeria with your PG certificate. God forbid

If ASUU perish we all perish

Stay blessed

stop these lies, na lie.

seunmsg:


2. Government should scrap National ASUU completely.

Dumb or Ignorant.

seunmsg:


There are only two solutions to the ASUU problem:
1. FG should completely stop funding university education. Parents should be made to pay what is commensurate for the university education they want for their kids.

2. Government should scrap National ASUU completely. Each university should have an independent union to address local issues peculiar only to the university. Even if it’s going to take prolong strike and mass sacking to achieve this, it is worth the trouble.

Devil advocate/rebuttal

1. Why does they FG have to completely stop funding the university for it to work? The state universities are working and didn't participate in the strike. They could just follow the second half of you suggestions and let university set their tuition rates and fees and compete with eachother. If they want more money then go face your customers the students.

2. What leverage do the clowns at the FG have to disband their national union? They don’t have the balls to fire anyone like Ronald Reagan did striking federal workers. Just look how they said solidarity strike with NLC was illegal and nothing happened. Honestly you suggestions in part 1 will do more to break the unions leverage.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoCvtt8EFPI

seunmsg:


The current system of FG subsidizing University education is not sustainable. Parents must brace up and be willing to pay what’s commensurate for educating their kids. FG can also put in place a bursary award and student loan system to support indigent students.

See your silly mouth. After graduating without paying sisi from a fed University, you're here talking trash.

Nazgul:

Haven't you noticed that students are closer to their secondary school teachers than their university lectures upon graduation.

My secondary school old students association has a Facebook page of which I'm a member of, at the end of the year we usually hangout at designated locations, celebrate life and raise contributions for some of our teachers who are in need.

No one does that for university lectures because most of them are sadist, wicked, vengeful...etc. Also, most Nigerian lectures lack the ability to impact knowledge on their students. They teach with anger frustration, some are so lazy to keep up lecturing appointments with students that they just hand over course material to the course rep to photocopy for the students.

If you claim to be a parent, you must see every child you mentor in class as your child, and do everything within you ability to ensure that they get the best from you. That's what every good parents does. Unfortunately our lectures do the exact opposite.

Not withstanding all of these, ASUU demands are quite reasonable.

Let's forget about our personal feelings for a second. It would greatly improve how lecturers provide their services. The students will greatly benefit.

This one is on the Federal Government.

You can check out the demands here https://www.google.com/amp/s/businessday.ng/amp/education/article/explainer-here-are-asuus-demands-from-govt-since-2009/