as in ehn, things are happening and this here is quite sad

ednut1:
contact ircc or go to their. Has committed an offence seizing your passport, he will not be able to get citizenship and will be sent back to Nigeria after pr expires. Things are happening

I think you only fill this for those sending passport

ShalewaT:
I got my PPR by God's grace after I've been on the journey for over 2 years now.
I added spouse during the process but he is unaccompanied, I want to send my passport to a visa office but I'm confused about the 'Appendix A' part of the form Ive been asked to submit. I don't know if his details should be there or not. I know for sure that I am not sending his passport.

Anyone that has done a spouse unaccompanied application or knows better should kindly help out.

If there is a way you can reach out to him through his family.maybe, let him know that you will be reaching out to IRCC to report him.and that could mean he is deported back to Naija. See if this will make him rethink. Otherwise, go ahead and report him to IRCC. If na me, if you won't let me rest, ypu won't rest too.

grasiouso:


Yea, he’s with my international passport.

Pls do you mind providing more information on how to report to Canadian High Commission and what Nigerian authority? I called their consulate office in Lagos and they said they don’t handle immigration matters I should contact IRCC.

Dimple10:
me thinks report to IRCC and see if COPR will be reissued. If yes, apply for new passport and declare old one lost/stolen then follow the advice bolded.

cc @grasiouso

I doubt her copr will be reissued though. She won’t be allowed to land as there are already cracks in the marriage. The marriage is clearly headed for divorce. Landing with her as a dependent would have been misrepresentation but he had no right to seize her passport. He should have just informed ircc of the separation and her copr would have been cancelled. Well, the woman should report to the Canadian authorities and see how it goes. But she won’t be able to land as a Pr when she informs ircc of the issue. The man might even become inadmissible as well because he didn’t inform them of the separation.

Isn’t PR an individual thing? I don’t think they can revoke her PR simply because they are “separated “. I mean she was also assessed on her individual eligibility, she has said she contributed her money too , Nawa o

littyprincess:

I doubt her copr will be reissued though. She won’t be allowed to land as there are already cracks in the marriage. The marriage is clearly headed for divorce. Landing with her as a dependent would have been misrepresentation but he had no right to seize her passport. He should have just informed ircc of the separation and her copr would have been cancelled. Well, the woman should report to the Canadian authorities and see how it goes. But she won’t be able to land as a Pr when she informs ircc of the issue. The man might even become inadmissible as well because he didn’t inform them of the separation.

he go use him hand koba himself because of wickedness. highest they could have gone together and separated after landing

littyprincess:

I doubt her copr will be reissued though. She won’t be allowed to land as there are already cracks in the marriage. The marriage is clearly headed for divorce. Landing with her as a dependent would have been misrepresentation but he had no right to seize her passport. He should have just informed ircc of the separation and her copr would have been cancelled. Well, the woman should report to the Canadian authorities and see how it goes. But she won’t be able to land as a Pr when she informs ircc of the issue. The man might even become inadmissible as well because he didn’t inform them of the separation.

actually they can since she's accompanying spouse. she's an attachment but legal separation documents would have been presented

temmitats:
Isn’t PR an individual thing? I don’t think they can revoke her PR simply because they are “separated “. I mean she was also assessed on her individual eligibility, she has said she contributed her money too , Nawa o

Jesus if she gives him a heads up, he can deny being in possession of her passport.
I just don’t understand the level of wickedness in the hearts of people nowadays, why not go together and then go your separate ways.

Dimple10:
actually they can since she's accompanying spouse. she's an attachment but legal separation documents would have been presented

temmitats:
Isn’t PR an individual thing? I don’t think they can revoke her PR simply because they are “separated “. I mean she was also assessed on her individual eligibility, she has said she contributed her money too , Nawa o

No it’s not an individual thing when you’re part of someone’s application! It’s only an individual thing after she lands! She wasn’t assessed on her individual eligibility. She was a part of her husbands application. She was his dependent. It was his eligibility that was assessed for the express entry program. Her eligibility was assessed based on her marriage to him. If the union is breaking down, then that’s eligibility failed at this point. Her contributing financially for her part is irrelevant to ircc. The man should refund her money P.S she’s not a Pr yet. It would have been different if she had landed before this drama started. But in this case, They definitely can revoke her copr as they were separated before the principal applicant landed. These things are online and on the ircc website please.

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Dimple10:
I think you only fill this for those sending passport

Okay. Thank you

Dimple10:
he go use him hand koba himself because of wickedness. highest they could have gone together and separated after landing

How would they have gone together when the man is a wicked person? How would he achieve his aim? His aim is to make sure she doesn’t become a PR. How would that have happened if he had let her travel? If they had travelled together and then separated, they would have had a thread of misrepresentation hovering over their heads because the breakdown was already present at the time of landing. Omo na wa sha o. Things are really occurring. I don’t even understand why he would do this? Did he feel used or what? He had no right to take her passport sha. He should have just gotten a divorce and informed ircc, removed her from the application and moved on with their lives. But there’s even a baby in question now. You know say you nor wan carry her go Canada but you go give her belle. So who is he na expecting to be looking after his child alone for him?

grasiouso:
......He willingly added me just after we got married and this somehow delayed his getting PPR as it took over 2 years before it finally came.

Rahl007:
........He is not the first person to add a spouse to an application .....Goodluck and I hope God ‘touches his heart and brain’ to do the right thing before this whole thing is ruined for you both.

The delay in approval is likely not your fault. There was a backlog that started during COVID. Just saying, so you don't add that to the load on your head.

Adding spouse is a normal occurrence.

littyprincess:

I doubt her copr will be reissued though. She won’t be allowed to land as there are already cracks in the marriage. The marriage is clearly headed for divorce. Landing with her as a dependent would have been misrepresentation but he had no right to seize her passport. He should have just informed ircc of the separation and her copr would have been cancelled. Well, the woman should report to the Canadian authorities and see how it goes. But she won’t be able to land as a Pr when she informs ircc of the issue. The man might even become inadmissible as well because he didn’t inform them of the separation.

@bolded...Sorry but I don't understand how you knew the marriage is headed for divorce or how it would be a misrepresentation landing with her? OP never mentioned they were considering divorce neither did she say they were separated..

Don't people have issues in their marriages again? why making all these assumptions?

grasiouso:


Yea, he’s with my international passport.

Pls do you mind providing more information on how to report to Canadian High Commission and what Nigerian authority? I called their consulate office in Lagos and they said they don’t handle immigration matters I should contact IRCC.

If he is denied his PR or citizenship as a result of your reporting him. You would have just succeeded in making an already bad situation worse! I will advise you tread with caution. Hold on a little. I believe he wants to see you handle this with maturity. You might consider calling family members first before taking such a harsh line of action.

From your narrative, I think it's not really about these petty issues you mentioned, rather it's more about the words you trade and bandy with him in your moments of anger and quarrel. When he starts nagging about you not being submissive, simply apologize or if you feel you don't owe him an apology, just remain mute. Words said in moments of anger (especially by most women) can be extremely hurtful, and some men don't forget them easily. You strike me like someone who would retort at every word said! some women believe they must have the last say.

e.g.
Man: you have disobeyed me, this wasn't our initial plan
Woman: In what way have I disobeyed you, oga sabinus, you always play Mr. Know it all. Am I your slave?
Man: You are not submissive
Woman: *laughs and claps loudly* Oh! so, you married me to worship you, you have failed o, if that's what you thought. It's 50/50, nobody is oga in this house
Man: Okay, I will show you that I'm the oga in the house. There can't be two captains in a ship
Woman: Shame on you! go and do your worst!

The man leaves with resentment that his wife has dared him, and thinks of every possible way to prove he is a man. He seeks every means to implement his worst action and teach the wife a lesson without lifting his hands, lest he is described as a violent man or even accused of physical assault. An apology or keeping quiet could have nipped the whole matter in the bud. Since the lady doesn't apologize, he must hatch a plan to prove a point and make you come back on bended knees.

So, madam, this is just an illustration o! I'm not saying that this was what transpired, but that in most cases it's the words that have been traded in moments of anger that precipitate vendetta. I don't think your husband will be so wicked as to deny you (and the unborn kid) access to such an opportunity. He just wants to seize the passport for a while to see whether you'll be humble enough to apologize. I doubt if you have apologized! you're prolly still holding stubbornly to your own threats as well. You guys are in that power-tussle stage most newlyweds go through to establish supremacy - this usually occurs when the couple both have ego issues. Your story reads too one-sided to believe he's that cruel. To be honest, holding tenaciously to an unapologetic stance and claiming you've done nothing wrong doesn't help sometimes.

I'm shocked that some people here are suggesting you report to IRCC to deport him and you have already started taking the suggestion as the best line of action, without firstly exploring peaceful resolution - this is the more reason I mentioned earlier that you are also probably contributing to the problem through your obstinate stance to matters. Seek peaceful resolution first, extend the olive branch, then give some time for him to reflect on your peaceful approach, if he remains unyielding, then you can take the radical approach. One comes before the other!

exactly!!!!!! too many unanswered questions

littyprincess:

How would they have gone together when the man is a wicked person? How would he achieve his aim? His aim is to make sure she doesn’t become a PR. How would that have happened if he had let her travel? If they had travelled together and then separated, they would have had a thread of misrepresentation hovering over their heads because the breakdown was already present at the time of landing. Omo na wa sha o. Things are really occurring. I don’t even understand why he would do this? Did he feel used or what? He had no right to take her passport sha. He should have just gotten a divorce and informed ircc, removed her from the application and moved on with their lives. But there’s even a baby in question now. You know say you nor wan carry her go Canada but you go give her belle. So who is he na expecting to be looking after his child alone for him?

i'm sure you saw where she talked about some form of abuse going on

Influential101:
@bolded...Sorry but I don't understand how you knew the marriage is headed for divorce or how it would be a misrepresentation landing with her? OP never mentioned they were considering divorce neither did she say they were separated..

Don't people have issues in their marriages again? why making all these assumptions?

pele o....there is absolutely no excuse for absconding with her international passport. NONE at all whatsoever

stop excusing "gutter" behaviour.

@bolded is already what he is doing because if/when baby comes, they'll have to start process of sponsoring baby (is this even a thing? eyes rolling) at this point as wife already has PR considering he has already landed.

Saynoomore:


If he is denied his PR or citizenship as a result of your reporting him. You would have just succeeded in making an already bad situation worse! I will advise you tread with caution. Hold on a little. I believe he wants to see you handle this with maturity. You might consider calling family members first before taking such a harsh line of action.

From your narrative, I think it's not really about these petty issues you mentioned, rather it's more about the words you trade and bandy with him in your moments of anger and quarrel. When he starts nagging about you not being submissive, simply apologize or if you feel you don't owe him an apology, just remain mute. Words said in moments of anger (especially by most women) can be extremely hurtful, and some men don't forget them easily. You strike me like someone who would retort at every word said! some women believe they must have the last say.

e.g.
Man: you have disobeyed me, this wasn't our initial plan
Woman: In what way have I disobeyed you, oga sabinus, you always play Mr. Know it all. Am I your slave?
Man: You are not submissive
Woman: *laughs and claps loudly* Oh! so, you married me to worship you, you have failed o, if that's what you thought. It's 50/50, nobody is oga in this house
Man: Okay, I will show you that I'm the oga in the house. There can't be two captains in a ship
Woman: Shame on you! go and do your worst!

The man leaves with resentment that his wife has dared him, and thinks of every possible way to prove he is a man. He seeks every means to implement his worst action and teach the wife a lesson without lifting his hands, lest he is described as a violent man or even accused of physical assault. An apology or keeping quiet could have nipped the whole matter in the bud. Since the lady doesn't apologize, he must hatch a plan to prove a point and make you come back on bended knees.

So, madam, this is just an illustration o! I'm not saying that this was what transpired, but that in most cases it's the words that have been traded in moments of anger that precipitate vendetta. I don't think your husband will be so wicked as to deny you (and the unborn kid) access to such an opportunity. He just wants to seize the passport for a while to see whether you'll be humble enough to apologize. I doubt if you have apologized! you're prolly still holding stubbornly to your own threats as well. You guys are in that power-tussle stage most newlyweds go through to establish supremacy - this usually occurs when the couple both have ego issues. Your story reads too one-sided to believe he's that cruel. To be honest, holding tenaciously to an unapologetic stance and claiming you've done nothing wrong doesn't help sometimes.

I'm shocked that some people here are suggesting you report to IRCC to deport him and you have already started taking the suggestion as the best line of action, without firstly exploring peaceful resolution - this is the more reason I mentioned earlier that you are also probably contributing to the problem through your obstinate stance to matters. Seek peaceful resolution first, extend the olive branch, then give some time for him to reflect on your peaceful approach, if he remains unyielding, then you can take the radical approach. One comes before the other!

Dimple10:
i'm sure you saw where she talked about some form of abuse going on

Not physical abuse, Emotional abuse

Dimple10:
pele o....there is absolutely no excuse for absconding with her international passport. NONE at all whatsoever

stop excusing "gutter" behaviour.

@bolded is already what he is doing because if/when baby comes, they'll have to start process of sponsoring baby (is this even a thing? eyes rolling) at this point as wife already has PR considering he has already landed.

Pele tie o!

I have not in any way exonerated the husband's retaliation. If anything, the joy that comes with a PR is enough to even make both of them dance away whatever grudge has been held.

Influential101:
@bolded...Sorry but I don't understand how you knew the marriage is headed for divorce or how it would be a misrepresentation landing with her? OP never mentioned they were considering divorce neither did she say they were separated..

Don't people have issues in their marriages again? why making all these assumptions?

Does she need to spell it out for us to understand? Aren’t they separated right now? If a man can run away with your travel documents and leave you all alone without any communication, then it’s obvious that the events before had been signifying a divorce/separation. P.S this is separation. If she doesn’t know the official term, then this is what it’s called. They are separated now and she should thank God because the suffering would have been more if they landed together. He would have shown her more pepper. They aren’t even in communication anymore. She doesn’t know his whereabouts. This is separation please.

Dimple10:
pele o....there is absolutely no excuse for absconding with her international passport. NONE at all whatsoever

stop excusing "gutter" behaviour.

@bolded is already what he is doing because if/when baby comes, they'll have to start process of sponsoring baby (is this even a thing? eyes rolling) at this point as wife already has PR considering he has already landed.

Oga/madam, the lady is not saying all there is to be said and there are more to this. For a man to go this extent then this matter shouldn't be approached one sided. Did he do the right thing? Absolutely Not.
But one thing is for sure, reporting him to ircc or breathing fire won't help this issue at all.

First there is no strong proof that he really took the passport and copr and even if matters where to be taken to the next level, he can adequately defend his claims.
I will say this to the OP from lots of experience from marital war like this; I don't know your religion but first ask your God for help.
Secondly pls dissapoint his expectations by disobeying the law of equall and opposite reaction; he expects you to make a mountain out of this with family, him etc. Instead, show him what he saw in you that made your marriage possible in the first place, though it will be very hard at this moment, but try. You would be amazed what feeding his man Ego would do and may even fix your almost broken marriage. Some person do some silly things out of anger but with the right attitude they might even be the one come crawling back to you.
Pls approach this matter very carefully

littyprincess:

Does she need to spell it out for us to understand? Aren’t they separated right now? If a man can run away with your travel documents and leave you all alone without any communication, then it’s obvious that the events before had been signifying a divorce/separation. P.S this is separation. If she doesn’t know the official term, then this is what it’s called. They are separated now and she should thank God because the suffering would have been more if they landed together. He would have shown her more pepper. They aren’t even in communication anymore. She doesn’t know his whereabouts.
This is separation please.

And how are you sure it won't be the man that would have seen pepper if they had landed together?

Saynoomore:

Deleting...because love keeps no keep a record of wrong....Say no more though

Saynoomore:


If he is denied his PR or citizenship as a result of your reporting him. You would have just succeeded in making an already bad situation worse! I will advise you tread with caution. Hold on a little. I believe he wants to see you handle this with maturity. You might consider calling family members first before taking such a harsh line of action.

From your narrative, I think it's not really about these petty issues you mentioned, rather it's more about the words you trade and bandy with him in your moments of anger and quarrel. When he starts nagging about you not being submissive, simply apologize or if you feel you don't owe him an apology, just remain mute. Words said in moments of anger (especially by most women) can be extremely hurtful, and some men don't forget them easily. You strike me like someone who would retort at every word said! some women believe they must have the last say.

e.g.
Man: you have disobeyed me, this wasn't our initial plan
Woman: In what way have I disobeyed you, oga sabinus, you always play Mr. Know it all. Am I your slave?
Man: You are not submissive
Woman: *laughs and claps loudly* Oh! so, you married me to worship you, you have failed o, if that's what you thought. It's 50/50, nobody is oga in this house
Man: Okay, I will show you that I'm the oga in the house. There can't be two captains in a ship
Woman: Shame on you! go and do your worst!

The man leaves with resentment that his wife has dared him, and thinks of every possible way to prove he is a man. He seeks every means to implement his worst action and teach the wife a lesson without lifting his hands, lest he is described as a violent man or even accused of physical assault. An apology or keeping quiet could have nipped the whole matter in the bud. Since the lady doesn't apologize, he must hatch a plan to prove a point and make you come back on bended knees.

So, madam, this is just an illustration o! I'm not saying that this was what transpired, but that in most cases it's the words that have been traded in moments of anger that precipitate vendetta. I don't think your husband will be so wicked as to deny you (and the unborn kid) access to such an opportunity. He just wants to seize the passport for a while to see whether you'll be humble enough to apologize. I doubt if you have apologized! you're prolly still holding stubbornly to your own threats as well. You guys are in that power-tussle stage most newlyweds go through to establish supremacy - this usually occurs when the couple both have ego issues. Your story reads too one-sided to believe he's that cruel. To be honest, holding tenaciously to an unapologetic stance and claiming you've done nothing wrong doesn't help sometimes.

I'm shocked that some people here are suggesting you report to IRCC to deport him and you have already started taking the suggestion as the best line of action, without firstly exploring peaceful resolution - this is the more reason I mentioned earlier that you are also probably contributing to the problem through your obstinate stance to matters. Seek peaceful resolution first, extend the olive branch, then give some time for him to reflect on your peaceful approach, if he remains unyielding, then you can take the radical approach. One comes before the other!

Thank you for your contribution. I cannot tell you I am perfect but what you described here is not the case. The man I married nags a lot. I walk on egg shells around him cos he picks quarrel over the most irrelevant thing you can think about. I don’t talk too much and but not matter how much I try not to talk he would not stop nagging and throwing heartbreaking words at me all because he says he is doing me a Favour in the marriage. There is only so much a human can take and bear before reacting but I have never challenged him in any way you described above.

Also I’m not considering reporting him to be deported or anything. I actually intend to report the documents as missing to any relevant authorities and see if they can reissue it hence my asking for more information on it. Canada is not a do or die affair for me cos even my spirit is no longer keen about the migration with all I’ve heard and had to bear cos of it.

Thanks for your opinion anyway.

EsoEso:

Not physical abuse, Emotional abuse

Still abuse and even worse than physical imho

Saynoomore:


Pele tie o!

I have not in any way exonerated the husband's retaliation. If anything, the joy that comes with a PR is enough to even make both of them dance away whatever grudge has been held.

Clearly in this case the husband does not agree with you because he has abandoned his heavily pregnant wife in the name of punishing her (according to you)

God no go let us see bad thing

…

I reserve my comment because we will always agree to disagree. You have your views, i have mine.

Meanwhile i hope we’re not missing the point where confiscating another person’s passport is an offence or according to you passport and CoPR just up and disappeared.

Ife ati Imole

EsoEso:

Oga/madam, the lady is not saying all there is to be said and there are more to this. For a man to go this extent then this matter shouldn't be approached one sided. Did he do the right thing? Absolutely Not.
But one thing is for sure, reporting him to ircc or breathing fire won't help this issue at all.

First there is no strong proof that he really took the passport and copr and even if matters where to be taken to the next level, he can adequately defend his claims.
I will say this to the OP from lots of experience from marital war like this; I don't know your religion but first ask your God for help.
Secondly pls dissapoint his expectations by disobeying the law of equall and opposite reaction; he expects you to make a mountain out of this with family, him etc. Instead, show him what he saw in you that made your marriage possible in the first place, though it will be very hard at this moment, but try. You would be amazed what feeding his man Ego would do and may even fix your almost broken marriage. Some person do some silly things out of anger but with the right attitude they might even be the one come crawling back to you.
Pls approach this matter very carefully

GraciousWords:




Just leaving this here for posterity.......

^{At times like this, I remember God's mercy and I'm thankful. If men were God. God that allows rain to fall on the good and evil alike. If na to hold rain, dey wait for apology......nkan be}

I want to like this post a million times…

Things occureth

I feel the need to state here that there is NO misrepresentation of any kind if they have not made anything official. I don't think IRCC expects every couple to be perfect without fights or arguments and unless there is an official separation or divorce, she is 100% married to him and should be treated as such until they initiate legal proceedings. #Just saying.

littyprincess:

I doubt her copr will be reissued though. She won’t be allowed to land as there are already cracks in the marriage. The marriage is clearly headed for divorce. Landing with her as a dependent would have been misrepresentation but he had no right to seize her passport. He should have just informed ircc of the separation and her copr would have been cancelled. Well, the woman should report to the Canadian authorities and see how it goes. But she won’t be able to land as a Pr when she informs ircc of the issue. The man might even become inadmissible as well because he didn’t inform them of the separation.