I don't know the full story between you and your husband, but from what you Have said, your husband is a wicked man.
More importantly, he is foolish too. He didn't think his actions through. Canada knows that he is a married man. And his application didn't say non-accompanying. Visas were also issued to two persons. They have all that information. Sooner or later he will answer to why he is in Canada without his wife. This is Canada.

Someone said maybe he is testing you. It is only the devil that tests people this way.

If somehow you eventually come to Canada, leave that man for your own good. (and incase you are actually the witch in this whole story - leave him for his own good. Animals have more rights than men here and you would only make his life more miserable if you stay with him)

grasiouso:


Thank you for your contribution. I cannot tell you I am perfect but what you described here is not the case. The man I married nags a lot. I walk on egg shells around him cos he picks quarrel over the most irrelevant thing you can think about. I don’t talk too much and but not matter how much I try not to talk he would not stop nagging and throwing heartbreaking words at me all because he says he is doing me a Favour in the marriage. There is only so much a human can take and bear before reacting but I have never challenged him in any way you described above.

Also I’m not considering reporting him to be deported or anything. I actually intend to report the documents as missing to any relevant authorities and see if they can reissue it hence my asking for more information on it. Canada is not a do or die affair for me cos even my spirit is no longer keen about the migration with all I’ve heard and had to bear cos of it.

Thanks for your opinion anyway.

Saynoomore:


If he is denied his PR or citizenship as a result of your reporting him. You would have just succeeded in making an already bad situation worse! I will advise you tread with caution. Hold on a little. I believe he wants to see you handle this with maturity. You might consider calling family members first before taking such a harsh line of action.

What’s this?
Are you sure you’re not the husband in question

I don't think you owe anyone an explanation on who or what caused any fight that may exist, it should be sufficient for anyone who truly wishes to advise you that he seized your passport for WHATEVER reason (cos nothing justifies seizing an adult's passport). Anyone asking for details of "the fight" or speculating is not ready to help but apportion blames or use your story for their amusement. Good luck in choosing the best decision.

[quote author=grasiouso post=115138558]

Thank you for your contribution.

Mi o ni so nkankan. grasiouso sorry about your situation. Things are really happening.

Rhuth:


What’s this?
Are you sure you’re not the husband in question

You funny!

Debbieeeeeee:
Mi o ni so nkankan. grasiouso sorry about your situation. Things are really happening.

Seriously, the matter dey somehow sha. I hope they find a way to resolve it amicably.

musspuss:
I feel the need to state here that there is NO misrepresentation of any kind if they have not made anything official. I don't think IRCC expects every couple to be perfect without fights or arguments and unless there is an official separation or divorce, she is 100% married to him and should be treated as such until they initiate legal proceedings. #Just saying.

actually there is misrepresentation. While landing he must have given a story/ reason why she is not landing with him. If madam tells her real story to ircc then he is in deep shit. Its a crime to seize someone’s passport too

grasiouso:


Thank you for your contribution. I cannot tell you I am perfect but what you described here is not the case. The man I married nags a lot. I walk on egg shells around him cos he picks quarrel over the most irrelevant thing you can think about. I don’t talk too much and but not matter how much I try not to talk he would not stop nagging and throwing heartbreaking words at me all because he says he is doing me a Favour in the marriage. There is only so much a human can take and bear before reacting but I have never challenged him in any way you described above.

Also I’m not considering reporting him to be deported or anything. I actually intend to report the documents as missing to any relevant authorities and see if they can reissue it hence my asking for more information on it. Canada is not a do or die affair for me cos even my spirit is no longer keen about the migration with all I’ve heard and had to bear cos of it.

Thanks for your opinion anyway.

go to Canada government website and browse on Verification of Stutus or replacement of immigration document, follow the instruction listed. After filling, send it to OSC in Ottawa Canada it cost $30. Don't give up do this for the sake of your unborn child.

Secondly, why I suggest you do the Above is because the only logical reason he can give during POE is that you lost your documents or you are staying back for a health challenge, since he did not do non accompanying. Good luck.

MissMa01:

The highlighted part is happening tomorrow, I pray it is successful because I am tired of mental maths

How did it go?

Pray tell what is the misrepresentation? There are a million and one reasons why a couple may choose not travel together and its happened many times before. Ok let's even say he says we had a misunderstanding and we are both sulking, is that enough reason to say they are no longer married? I highly doubt that.

..And we all AGREE that he shouldn't get away with seizing her passport regardless of the reason.

ednut1:
actually there is misrepresentation. While landing he must have given a story/ reason why she is not landing with him. If madam tells her real story to ircc then he is in deep shit. Its a crime to seize someone’s passport too

musspuss:
Pray tell what is the misrepresentation? There are a million and one reasons why a couple may choose not travel together and its happened many times before. Ok let's even say he says we had a misunderstanding and we are both sulking, is that enough reason to say they are no longer married? I highly doubt that.

..And we all AGREE that he shouldn't get away with seizing her passport regardless of the reason.

if he told the visa officer the truth at point of entry. Marriage is shaking plus i seized her passport. Would they allow him in Thats the misrepresentation

Good day house,
I am seeking opinion of the house on behalf of my uncle. His case is kind of complicated and he needs to thread carefully.
He travelled abroad, but after some years he lost his legal status due to some issues he had with his boss at work, the boss reported him and his visa was revoked. Due to his non-legal status and frustration, he decided to start the Canada EE process. While on the EE process, he was looking for ways to have legal status in the country again. The only way at that point was to use an arranged partnership with a lady who's a citizen of the country he resides. He applied for a spousal visa and it was granted. The spousal visa was granted after he has submitted his EE application. I forgot to mention he is married, his wife and kid only visits him once in a while from Nigeria. During his EE application, of course he included his wife and kid in the application, although as unaccompanied for CRS purpose. Now he recently got PPR, but he's concerned about the spousal visa which is still valid on his passport. Will there be a problem if he send the passport with that spousal visa (which was not gotten through his wife included in the EE application)? Will that be term as misrepresentation? because I don't think its possible to be legally married and at the same time be in a common law/partnership relationship with another person. Does IRCC still investigates after PPR? Can a PR be rejected after PPR?
Gurus in the house, kindly advise my uncle before he send the passport, which might trigger something else.

musspuss:
I feel the need to state here that there is NO misrepresentation of any kind if they have not made anything official. I don't think IRCC expects every couple to be perfect without fights or arguments and unless there is an official separation or divorce, she is 100% married to him and should be treated as such until they initiate legal proceedings. #Just saying.

Did you read her story? This is not ordinary husband and wife fight o. They aren’t living together and she can’t communicate with him. Thats separation. Does Nigeria give a certificate for being separated? Let’s use the case of common law partners, when they separate, there’s no official document but does that mean ircc shouldn’t be informed while an application is in progress? They are separated and that’s enough reason to inform ircc. Not doing so is misrepresentation. It’s okay if you think it’s not. Me I’ve said my own sha o. P.S even when you try to calculate your CRS scores, the option for marital status has “divorced/separated” and “officially separated”. There’s a reason those options are there.

MissMa01:

The highlighted part is happening tomorrow, I pray it is successful because I am tired of mental maths

How did this go?

afo7:
Good day house,
I am seeking opinion of the house on behalf of my uncle. His case is kind of complicated and he needs to thread carefully.
He travelled abroad, but after some years he lost his legal status due to some issues he had with his boss at work, the boss reported him and his visa was revoked. Due to his non-legal status and frustration, he decided to start the Canada EE process. While on the EE process, he was looking for ways to have legal status in the country again. The only way at that point was to use an arranged partnership with a lady who's a citizen of the country he resides. He applied for a spousal visa and it was granted. The spousal visa was granted after he has submitted his EE application. I forgot to mention he is married, his wife and kid only visits him once in a while from Nigeria. During his EE application, of course he included his wife and kid in the application, although as unaccompanied for CRS purpose. Now he recently got PPR, but he's concerned about the spousal visa which is still valid on his passport. Will there be a problem if he send the passport with that spousal visa (which was not gotten through his wife included in the EE application)? Will that be term as misrepresentation? because I don't think its possible to be legally married and at the same time be in a common law/partnership relationship with another person. Does IRCC still investigates after PPR? Can a PR be rejected after PPR?
Gurus in the house, kindly advise my uncle before he send the passport, which might trigger something else.

potential 10 years ban for fraud and misrepresentation
https://www.cic.gc.ca/english/helpcentre/answer.asp?qnum=1468&top=10

Hi all,

I get this error when I try to upload my degree with WES

Received my RFV mail today.
Thanks to @Graciouswords and @ednut1. You guys are the real MVP here.
Please I need help with the fastest VAC to send passport to and how to go about it. Thanks

The fact that you don't know the full story says it all.
in every situation, there is the Man's side, the woman's side and then the truth.
No matter the case, I don't think it's in your place or anyones place to insult another lady's husband. She came for help with Visa not for insult. or marriage counselling. Whether he's wicked or foolish or kind or whatever, he is still her husband.
Just provide answer to her question and move.

Nacho4:
I don't know the full story between you and your husband, but from what you Have said, your husband is a wicked man.
More importantly, he is foolish too. He didn't think his actions through. Canada knows that he is a married man. And his application didn't say non-accompanying. Visas were also issued to two persons. They have all that information. Sooner or later he will answer to why he is in Canada without his wife. This is Canada.

Someone said maybe he is testing you. It is only the devil that tests people this way.

If somehow you eventually come to Canada, leave that man for your own good. (and incase you are actually the witch in this whole story - leave him for his own good. Animals have more rights than men here and you would only make his life more miserable if you stay with him)

@Macstan18: Read the links related to WES/ECA on page zero to have a better understanding on how ECA works.

Please where do i get the links as mentioned above.
Proper and detailed direction needed, please.
Can someone help me.

Thanks

It's not in my place to express my opinion on a public discuss but it's in your place to express your opinion on my opinion? Think straight please.
I hope you are bright enough to comprehend my response to her well enough to see that I made my submission based on the premise she presented while acknowledging the absence of the other side of the story.
Letting her know he can't go scott free with his FOOLISH act (oh yes, very foolish act)and would be held accountable, arms her better in her decision making on how to salvage this situation she is in

"She came for help with visa not for insult or marriage" rada rada. I hope you are bright enough to see that the bedrock of the visa issue is the state of her marraige. When did advicing someone on how to avoid future troubles from the source of their current trouble become a problem?
Are you alright?

bigmills:
The fact that you don't know the full story says it all.
in every situation, there is the Man's side, the woman's side and then the truth.
No matter the case, I don't think it's in your place or anyones place to insult another lady's husband. She came for help with Visa not for insult. or marriage counselling. Whether he's wicked or foolish or kind or whatever, he is still her husband.
Just provide answer to her question and move.

Ovywils:

How did it go?

In the mud.
I’ll buy black market - this is Nigeria

afo7:
Good day house,
I am seeking opinion of the house on behalf of my uncle. His case is kind of complicated and he needs to thread carefully.
He travelled abroad, but after some years he lost his legal status due to some issues he had with his boss at work, the boss reported him and his visa was revoked. Due to his non-legal status and frustration, he decided to start the Canada EE process. While on the EE process, he was looking for ways to have legal status in the country again. The only way at that point was to use an arranged partnership with a lady who's a citizen of the country he resides. He applied for a spousal visa and it was granted. The spousal visa was granted after he has submitted his EE application. I forgot to mention he is married, his wife and kid only visits him once in a while from Nigeria. During his EE application, of course he included his wife and kid in the application, although as unaccompanied for CRS purpose. Now he recently got PPR, but he's concerned about the spousal visa which is still valid on his passport. Will there be a problem if he send the passport with that spousal visa (which was not gotten through his wife included in the EE application)? Will that be term as misrepresentation? because I don't think its possible to be legally married and at the same time be in a common law/partnership relationship with another person. Does IRCC still investigates after PPR? Can a PR be rejected after PPR?
Gurus in the house, kindly advise my uncle before he send the passport, which might trigger something else.

Which one is spousal visa? Which one is PR? Which country does he reside in?
So you mean he didn’t declare the visas on his passport or did he not declare his status in his current country of residence?

I don’t even understand.

EsoEso:

Not physical abuse, Emotional abuse

Which one is better?

I say it with boldness and confidence for the records - your husband is a wicked and selfish man. However, he's not the focus of my post.

I see a lot of good advice but I think we are forgetting the angle that if you declare the passport missing and try to get a new COPR. The correspondence will still go to him and he can still suppress it. Also, the birth of your child before you land will seriously complicate your issues further. Therefore, I believe the best approach will be to get the passport from him and land.

I will advise that you get someone (more like a professional) to contact him and lay the risks of his actions to him so it will scare him to release your documents. And I don't care about his side of this story. This in itself is abuse and you shouldn't preclude yourself from any action because it is too harsh for him. You and your baby are the most paramount to you and should be all you are concerned about at this time.

I have further advice I want to share but will fo that personally. Please reach out to me.

[quote author=grasiouso post=115129368]Please I need help.

My husband seized my Visa and COPR so I’m unable to travel.

I am heavy and due to travel in August with my ticket already booked.

He has travelled already and he took my passport with visa and my COPR and cut off communication with me. He never even allowed me see the COPR cos he had his plans so now I’m stranded in Nigeria and need help on what to do.

Please how do I go about retrieving these documents from IRCC?

Saynoomore:


If he is denied his PR or citizenship as a result of your reporting him. You would have just succeeded in making an already bad situation worse! I will advise you tread with caution. Hold on a little. I believe he wants to see you handle this with maturity. You might consider calling family members first before taking such a harsh line of action.

From your narrative, I think it's not really about these petty issues you mentioned, rather it's more about the words you trade and bandy with him in your moments of anger and quarrel. When he starts nagging about you not being submissive, simply apologize or if you feel you don't owe him an apology, just remain mute. Words said in moments of anger (especially by most women) can be extremely hurtful, and some men don't forget them easily. You strike me like someone who would retort at every word said! some women believe they must have the last say.

e.g.
Man: you have disobeyed me, this wasn't our initial plan
Woman: In what way have I disobeyed you, oga sabinus, you always play Mr. Know it all. Am I your slave?
Man: You are not submissive
Woman: *laughs and claps loudly* Oh! so, you married me to worship you, you have failed o, if that's what you thought. It's 50/50, nobody is oga in this house
Man: Okay, I will show you that I'm the oga in the house. There can't be two captains in a ship
Woman: Shame on you! go and do your worst!

The man leaves with resentment that his wife has dared him, and thinks of every possible way to prove he is a man. He seeks every means to implement his worst action and teach the wife a lesson without lifting his hands, lest he is described as a violent man or even accused of physical assault. An apology or keeping quiet could have nipped the whole matter in the bud. Since the lady doesn't apologize, he must hatch a plan to prove a point and make you come back on bended knees.

So, madam, this is just an illustration o! I'm not saying that this was what transpired, but that in most cases it's the words that have been traded in moments of anger that precipitate vendetta. I don't think your husband will be so wicked as to deny you (and the unborn kid) access to such an opportunity. He just wants to seize the passport for a while to see whether you'll be humble enough to apologize. I doubt if you have apologized! you're prolly still holding stubbornly to your own threats as well. You guys are in that power-tussle stage most newlyweds go through to establish supremacy - this usually occurs when the couple both have ego issues. Your story reads too one-sided to believe he's that cruel. To be honest, holding tenaciously to an unapologetic stance and claiming you've done nothing wrong doesn't help sometimes.

I'm shocked that some people here are suggesting you report to IRCC to deport him and you have already started taking the suggestion as the best line of action, without firstly exploring peaceful resolution - this is the more reason I mentioned earlier that you are also probably contributing to the problem through your obstinate stance to matters. Seek peaceful resolution first, extend the olive branch, then give some time for him to reflect on your peaceful approach, if he remains unyielding, then you can take the radical approach. One comes before the other!

I can't believe what I just read

MissMa01:

In the mud.
I’ll buy black market - this is Nigeria

Ewo
What exactly happened?
Did you book a return ticket?

titibaby:
I say it with boldness and confidence for the records - your husband is a wicked and selfish man. However, he's not the focus of my post.

I see a lot of good advice but I think we are forgetting the angle that if you declare the passport missing and try to get a new COPR. The correspondence will still go to him and he can still suppress it. Also, the birth of your child before you land will seriously complicate your issues further. Therefore, I believe the best approach will be to get the passport from him and land.

I will advise that you get someone (more like a professional) to contact him and lay the risks of his actions to him so it will scare him to release your documents. And I don't care about his side of this story. This in itself is abuse and you shouldn't preclude yourself from any action because it is too harsh for him. You and your baby are the most paramount to you and should be all you are concerned about at this time.

I have further advice I want to share but will fo that personally. Please reach out to me.

Rather than wickedness, it's unguarded anger, irrational act and selfish attitude. 80% of men think alike when it comes to their Ego. An average man would do anything when it comes to power tustle in marriages; same mechanism that allows an average man to put himself in danger just to protect his wife/kids or family. Although no one has heard his own side of the story but his actions negates his reasons.
I will say this for free, her husband didn't go to Canada with her travell documents. Am very positive that he left those documents in the care of a trusted ally which his wife is oblivious of. If proper steps are taken it would be like a miracle when he will just instruct someone to handover those documents to her here in naija and may even book her flight ticket. That is if she has not pressed too much control + spoil

I didn’t sleep well last night, probably my worst night ever and I’m not even over it yet.
My POF is in Naira because IRCC uses official rate which happened to be around N8.5m for a family of 4. If I change in the black market and put in dom account at the rate of 580 to $ then, it won’ t be enough to meet up the 25kplus CAD for family of 4 so I picked the easiest option (leave it in naira) since that is all we have.
Last night I heard $ is now 710, so that is how all my life savings is depreciating for my eye like that, and ITA has not come�. Still waiting for PNP to boost my score if possible since EE is still 500ish now. I’m sad but this japa is like my plan A. Yes I have a job here but I am tired!
I can’t even change the money again at 710 nah, my body is still shaking and I hope putting this out here will make me better

MissMa01:

Which one is better?

In the eyes of mental health and moral both are bad. But with some ladies, the former is preferred to the later and vice versa.
A patient In one of my sessions (young damsel ) said if her man does not beat in like 3 months then she would have the feeling he does not love her any more or he is seeing somebody else and her body won't just be ok at all. I reffered her to see a shrinkn cos I was dazed.
So people are different my dear and you can never tell

Dimple10:


yes you are

Thanks.

For occupations requiring a license in SINP, does the applicant need to have obtained the license to be eligible for nomination? Or would the applicant be required to present the license at any point before PR is issued? E.g Pharmacy, Medlab, Occupational Therapy, Public Health Inspectors, Dentists, etc etc

EsoEso:


Rather than wickedness, it's unguarded anger, irrational act and selfish attitude. 80% of men think alike when it comes to their Ego. An average man would do anything when it comes to power tustle in marriages; same mechanism that allows an average man to put himself in danger just to protect his wife/kids or family. Although no one has heard his own side of the story but his actions negates his reasons.
I will say this for free, her husband didn't go to Canada with her travell documents. Am very positive that he left those documents in the care of a trusted ally which his wife is oblivious of. If proper steps are taken it would be like a miracle when he will just instruct someone to handover those documents to her here in naija and may even book her flight ticket. That is if she has not pressed too much control + spoil

Aha!, thankful that someone else on this forum understands the point I've been trying to make. Bro, we are on the same page!

Not trying to justify the husband's action in any way...but I'm sure he won't be wicked to the point of denying even his own unborn child such a privilege. I was also almost typing your perspective that he probably dropped the document with a close relative pending the wife's humble apology, but my post was already becoming too long.

It's a shame things are going this way sha all because of ego on both sides. We haven't heard from the man yet. I'm not good at taking sides based on a one-sided narrative. The other party MUST be granted a fair hearing, but of course he can not be invited to nairaland to share what transpired.

In all, I can't fathom how the joy of getting a PR didn't compel the husband to ignore whatever grouse he (or both of them) have been holding on to. The news of a COPR is too sweet not to smile and let go, and both couple dance to Canada.

This story no just sweet me at all. Too bad!

Madam should bring in family members first. Don't start with police or IRCC legal threats. We are Africans first. Let's try resolve issues the traditional way first.

Yes, I read her story alright and still wouldn't call it a separation. So, if he calls tomorrow and they squash all beef, would they need to keep updating IRCC verbally/ unofficially of all these "separations"? Do you know how many married couples keep fighting and leaving the matrimonial house temporarily only to come back when fight is settled? I bet there are more than we care to admit. My main point is they can genuinely explain away whatever misunderstanding there is without calling their status "separated"

Also apart from the issue of cutting all communication (yes, I agree this may be a problem with IRCC), living separate alone does not nullify a marriage- my cousin got 2 PPR letters from IRCC because one of them was living in a different country from the other and IRCC obviously took that into consideration when issuing the letters.

My opinion is if initial poster had known AND had access to the PPR letter, she could very well have sent her passport separately with no qualms: if he was sending to VFS Abuja, she sends to VFS Lagos or vice versa OR even travel all the way to ACCRA. After all the letter says to your nearest VO, so if either of them was on a trip they necessarily do not need to wait till they're back together. All this would still be possible only IF she had access to the PPR letter though.

I'm just hoping she gets her passport back ASAP whichever way and get her COPR.

littyprincess:

Did you read her story? This is not ordinary husband and wife fight o. They aren’t living together and she can’t communicate with him. Thats separation. Does Nigeria give a certificate for being separated? Let’s use the case of common law partners, when they separate, there’s no official document but does that mean ircc shouldn’t be informed while an application is in progress? They are separated and that’s enough reason to inform ircc. Not doing so is misrepresentation. It’s okay if you think it’s not. Me I’ve said my own sha o. P.S even when you try to calculate your CRS scores, the option for marital status has “divorced/separated” and “officially separated”. There’s a reason those options are there.