Martinez

TrebleChamp:
Martinez

Short man, lol.

Baily looks so tall beside him.

Expert17:


Short man, lol.

Baily looks so tall beside him.

Short but mighty i hope ..

afrodoc2:


He was on 25k weekly at Porto. Why did we multiply his salary by 3 just like that? He should not be getting anything more than 50k so those potential buyers are being smart. He is at best a squad player for a top team or a starter for a mid-level team, and he is a full-back, not a striker.

Zinchenko was on 59k weekly at City with their Arab money and Telles is siphoning 78k at United.

78k // 5 years contract for a player that was supposed to be our first-choice LB is/was not a bad deal.

afrodoc2:


He was on 25k weekly at Porto. Why did we multiply his salary by 3 just like that. He should not be getting anything more than 50k so those potential buyers are being smart. He is at best a squad player for a top team or a starter for mid-level team, and he is a full back not a striker.

Zinchenko was on 59k weekly at City with their Arab money and Telles is siphoning 78k at United.

you should also remember we signed him for £15m and another ~£20m spread to cover his salary over 4 years.
again what you said makes sense but I prefer the bird view. if there is to be a squad wage review it needs to start from the top.
we shouldn't have a player earning above £300k and one earning £30k in the same first team. I don't know how others may view it but there needs to be reasonable differences which are subject to review based on performances. if a player is so poor as cannot be reflected on his wages then he should be sold, no options.
look at Phil Jones for example. how can United sign any player for the first team and offer him wages lower than Phil Jones? it isn't rational in any way.

Expert17:



78k // 5 years contract for a player that was supposed to be our first-choice LB is/was not a bad deal.

He was on 25k in his former club and it was not like there was a bidding war for him. Double his salary and give him 50k. not 78k. Supposed to be is still a risk. Give him 50k and after 2 years of balling you can upgrade him to 100k sef if he is worth it.

He is not the only one. Our squad is littered with mediocre players on huge salaries. That is why we always struggle to offload players, it is not because other clubs have a conspiracy against United.

ChristineC:
you should also remember we signed him for £15m and another ~£20m spread to cover his salary over 4 years.
again what you said makes sense but I prefer the bird view. if there is to be a squad wage review it needs to start from the top.
we shouldn't have a player earning above £300k and one earning £30k in the same first team. I don't know how others may view it but there needs to be reasonable differences which are subject to review based on performances. if a player is so poor as cannot be reflected on his wages then he should be sold, no options.
look at Phil Jones for example. how can United sign any player for the first team and offer him wages lower than Phil Jones? it isn't rational in any way.

It should start from everywhere not only the top. It is the main reason we struggle to offload players, and your Phil Jones example is even faulty. You can't compound one mistake by making another mistake.

So in order to correct the mistake we made by offering Phil Jones 75k weekly we should then make another mistake by offering any new player we buy a higher salary than Jones's 75k salary even if that player is really worth only 40k?
Have you ever heard 2 wrongs do not make a right?

afrodoc2:


He was on 25k in his former club and it was not like there was a bidding war for him. Double his salary and give him 50k. not 78k. Supposedly be is still a risk. Give him 50k and after 2 years of balling you can upgrade him to 100k and see if he is worth it.

He is not the only one. Our squad is littered with mediocre players on huge salaries. That is why we always struggle to offload players, it is not because other clubs have a conspiracy against United.

I understand your point perfectly, the bolded part is similar to how Bruno's contract was reviewed and upgraded some months ago.

The agent and player are aware of the figures earned by average players at United- Shaw, Jones, Lingard, Martial, Rashford, etc... so I don't see them accepting 50k for a player who was balling so well in Portugal.

afrodoc2:


It should start from everywhere not only the top. It is the main reason we struggle to offload players, and your Phil Jones example is even faulty. You can't compound one mistake by making another mistake.

So in order to correct the mistake we made by offering Phil Jones 75k weekly we should then make another mistake by offering any new player we buy a higher salary than Jones's 75k salary even if that player is really worth only 40k?
Have you ever heard 2 wrongs do not make a right?

we are saying the same thing, only in revised grammar.
if you are a United executive and you approach me with a contract that will give me an opportunity to compete for a starting position in your team, I can look at the average wage in your establishment and make a salary demand.
moreso, if I see a salary of Phil Jones, a man everybody knows hasn't kicked a ball for more than 100mins in the last 4 years... then how can I be expected to agree to a lesser wage?

ChristineC:
we are saying the same thing, only is revised grammar.
if you are a United executive and you approach me with a contract that will give me an opportunity to compete for a starting position in your team, I can look at the average wage in your establishment and make a salary demand.
moreso, if I see a salary of Phil Jones, a man everybody knows hasn't kicked a ball consistently for more than 30mins in the last 4 year... then how can I be expected to agree to a lesser wage?

Tuazebe is on 50k.
Shaw 150k.
Dalot 65k
AWB 90k
Van De Beek moved from 40k to 120k.

You don't expect the hottest LB in Portuguese Liga that was meant to be our 1st choice to accept a 50k contract.

TrebleChamp:
Martinez

Are you guys sure this guy can function as a CB in EPL?

Everything about this club is just based on Hope.

Expert17:


Tuazebe is on 50k.
Shaw 150k.
Dalot 65k
AWB 90k
Van De Beek moved from 40k to 120k.

You don't expect the hottest LB in Portuguese Liga that was meant to be our 1st choice to accept a 50k contract.

So he is yet another bad deal in a catalogue of bad deals. But saying he was a good deal? Fa fa fa foul.

If we continue signing players with that mindset of because Player X is on this amount then incoming Player Y must get this amount we will never clear the bad contracts.

Imagine Malacia asking for 90k because useless Telles is on 78k. Meanwhile Malacia’s contract back home was 7.5 k.

ChristineC:
we are saying the same thing, only in revised grammar.
if you are a United executive and you approach me with a contract that will give me an opportunity to compete for a starting position in your team, I can look at the average wage in your establishment and make a salary demand.
moreso, if I see a salary of Phil Jones, a man everybody knows hasn't kicked a ball for more than 100mins in the last 4 years... then how can I be expected to agree to a lesser wage?

This theory works when the United executive is a dunderhead with no negotiation skills because…….

Erm, wait! That explains it.

Expert17:


Tuazebe is on 50k.
Shaw 150k.
Dalot 65k
AWB 90k
Van De Beek moved from 40k to 120k.

You don't expect the hottest LB in Portuguese Liga that was meant to be our 1st choice to accept a 50k contract.

VDB moved from 40k to 120k.

AWB got 90k after 1 season of slide tackles at Crystal Palace.

Udoji Awards.

afrodoc2:


This theory works when the United executive is a dunderhead with no negotiation skills because…….

Erm, wait! That explains it.

let us first expunge the deadwood.
what is Jones still doing here? for the life of a dinosaur I still can't explain it. this is the quota system that has killed Nigeria in play here.
as for the very high earners that are not performing like Martial and Rashford, offer them a paycut or frustrate them out of the club. other teams do it, why can't we?

afrodoc2:


VDB moved from 40k to 120k.

AWB got 90k after 1 season of slide tackles at Crystal Palace.

Udoji Awards.

AWB upgraded from 10k/week to 90k/week

And FDJ will likely join with a minimum of 450k/week.

Expert17:


Tuazebe is on 50k.
Shaw 150k.
Dalot 65k
AWB 90k
Van De Beek moved from 40k to 120k.

You don't expect the hottest LB in Portuguese Liga that was meant to be our 1st choice to accept a 50k contract.

that is the fact. Telles was bought as a competition to Shaw, not just a squad cover. whether he succeeded or not is another thing but at the time of the contract offer, his representative will look at the wage structure and negotiate on that.

Expert17:


I understand your point perfectly, the bolded part is similar to how Bruno's contract was reviewed and upgraded some months ago.

The agent and player are aware of the figures earned by average players at United- Shaw, Jones, Lingard, Martial, Rashford, etc... so I don't see them accepting 50k for a player who was balling so well in Portugal.

That is where negotiation skill and not being desperate (or not appearing desperate) comes in. Where else will he get 50-60k weekly and the social media/endorsement exposure that comes with playing for Man Utd? And if he still refuses you forget him and get someone else. After a while players and agents will know not to ask for ridiculous wages.

Expert17:


AWB upgraded from 10k/week to 90k/week

And FDJ will likely join with a minimum of 450k/week.

From 10k to 90k because of sliding tackles?

Teacher Chike is tired.

ovoP:
are you saying bruno never attempts a pass, when d chance is there? My issue is the fanbase will erupt if Bruno put on that performance that eriksen played yesterday

Bro, the team that played yesterday have not played together before so, you don't expect them to be fluid...It's not that hard to figure out that the play was going to ve disjointed but then, you jist want to drive an agenda that doesn't exist...

ovoP:
telles is on 70k.. per week.. is contract isn't even huge.. these clubs have seen United as maga.. if we were to loan mctominay today they would ask man united to pay the wages also..

Go and check what his peers in Valencia, Sevilla and co earn then come back and edit your post...

See you saying 70k a week isn't huge...No be every club get money like Manchester United oh!

afrodoc2:


He was on 25k weekly at Porto. Why did we multiply his salary by 3 just like that. He should not be getting anything more than 50k so those potential buyers are being smart. He is at best a squad player for a top team or a starter for mid-level team, and he is a full back not a striker.

Zinchenko was on 59k weekly at City with their Arab money and Telles is siphoning 78k at United.

Exactly...

afrodoc2:


That is where negotiation skill and not being desperate (or not appearing desperate) comes in. Where else will he get 50-60k weekly and the social media/endorsement exposure that comes with playing for Man Utd? And if he still refuses you forget him and get someone else. After a while players and agents will know not to ask for ridiculous wages.

Good points Doc. But what do you suggest is the way forward? How can United balance their wage bill knowing full well that other clubs are reluctant to sign their players due to their high wages

United should probably just allow those contracts to run down then offer them a reduced contract. If they reject then let them go for free. Players no dey finish

Expert17:



78k // 5 years contract for a player that was supposed to be our first-choice LB is/was not a bad deal.

People need to understand that working in a certain country automatically improves your wage even if you are very poor at what you do.

You can't be on a $250/month on Nigeria and earn $500/month in US.

Getting x3 of his salary is a very good deal from united end.

Cost of living in countries defer abeg.

I just watched the Rayo match this morning. I thought Donny did ok. His style is clearly 1 touch play so it seems like he doesnt impose himself in games much. I dont think he'll ever be a first teamer but he's a decent option off the bench and a rotation option as he finds space very well.

Karleb:


People need to understand that working in a certain country automatically improves your wage even if you are very poor at what you do.

You can't be on a $250/month on Nigeria and earn $500/month in US.

Getting x3 of his salary is a very good deal from united end.

Cost of living in countries defer abeg.

So the cost of living in UK is x3 the cost of living in other European countries?

Or 1GBP = 3 EUR?

Total executive overhaul.

ovoP:
but what I said is the truth na..

Karleb:


People need to understand that working in a certain country automatically improves your wage even if you are very poor at what you do.

You can't be on a $250/month on Nigeria and earn $500/month in US.

Getting x3 of his salary is a very good deal from united end.

Cost of living in countries defer abeg.

It’s the wage structure and it went to shit after Moyes offered Rooney £300k/week after Sir Alex left Man Utd.

Shaw was on £150k/week, there was no way his deputy or back up player would get anything less than half of that amount.

Brandon Williams was on £65k/week and even Axel Tuanzebe was on £50k/week. All these players would be lucky to earn up to £30k/week at Liverpool but Man Utd are cheerful givers.

Andy Robertson is on £50k/week in spite of his PL/UCL/FA cup/etc trophies and you have the calamitous Luke Shaw drawing triple that amount every week with zero output.

afrodoc2:


He was not really performing at a high level. He was just OK in a very good system. When he was at Ajax i noted here that his passing numbers were low for a CM in a possession based side. He does not get involved in midfield play enough and he has always been like that.

So we got scammed

Leyqute:


So the cost of living in UK is x3 the cost of living in other European countries?

Or 1GBP = 3 EUR?

Cost of living at Old Trafford is higher than the cost of living across the road at Etihad. And much higher than in London.