GloriousGbola:




This is just money for IFO Kaura, nothing more. Even our greedy senators went to toyota SA and ordered direct.
Toyotas naija reps that we all know were elizade. Today the sole toyota rep in Nigeria is toyota. Nigeria limited.

I would love to see the actual bid documents for supply of these cars at 145m each, especially as there will definitely be import waivers

Google IFO kaura. A company awarded 1.4 billion to import Toyotas has no Internet footprint.

Only God knows how much Buhari is wasting.

This is why amaechi was so confident when he tried to push that ridiculous railway security contract.

Because that is busines as usual in Buharis aso rock

Do we know if Nigeria purchased it for them or just doled out the money? These are examples of communication gaps in the Buhari administration.

Android22:
Do we know if Nigeria purchased it for them or just doled out the money? These are examples of communication gaps in the Buhari administration.

And this was in feburary. When dollar was still around 500 or so. Even a maxed out luxury land cruiser is 105000 usd. So it still comes to 50m or so per vehicle

And HOW is it that this did not pass through our house of reps or our bureau of public procurement?

GloriousGbola:




This is just money for IFO Kaura, nothing more. Even our greedy senators went to toyota SA and ordered direct.
Toyotas naija reps that we all know were elizade. Today the sole toyota rep in Nigeria is toyota. Nigeria limited.

I would love to see the actual bid documents for supply of these cars at 145m each, especially as there will definitely be import waivers

Google IFO kaura. A company awarded 1.4 billion to import Toyotas has no Internet footprint.

Only God knows how much Buhari is wasting.

This is why amaechi was so confident when he tried to push that ridiculous railway security contract.

Because that is busines as usual in Buharis aso rock

What is the landing cost of a 2022 Toyota Landcruiser to Nigeria. Purchase, shipping and clearing.

Lets take away the bulletproofing cost since there will be a lot of assumptions if we are to assume it was done by a 3rd party or if Toyota sells armoured version

If purchased as armoured I don't know the price most website want you to request a quote but I am seeing this from my random google search

https://carbuzz.com/news/277000-armored-toyota-land-cruiser-offers-the-ultimate-protection


So what is the point here?

Is it about the morality of Nigeria in its current state helping out and spending money on Niger

or that

The cars are to expensive for the price quoted

raumdeuter:


What is the landing cost of a 2022 Toyota Landcruiser to Nigeria. Purchase, shipping and clearing. Lets take away the bulletproofing cost if we are to assume i was done by a 3rd party or if Toyota sells armoured version

If purchased as armoured I don't know the price most website want you to request a quote but I am seeing this from my random google search



https://carbuzz.com/news/277000-armored-toyota-land-cruiser-offers-the-ultimate-protection


So what is the point here?

Is it about the morality of Nigeria in its current state helping out and spending money on Niger

or that

The cars are to expensive for the price quoted

Let us agree that it is a matter of policy, even though all this helping hand to Niger only started with Buhari.
Which would imply it is not so much policy as his personal whim

Secondly, all the talk about armoured cars is just conjecture. All we have is that the fg ordered 10 land cruisers at 1.45 billion to 'enhance nigers security'

Ironically, it has Always been Chad in the News for fighting bh, with their late presido stunting on the front lines.

There is no information as to exactly how they are intended to enahance security.

And the contract to procure them is awarded to a no name company

So in summary,

We have the president doling out largesse on his personal whims

We have an obviously inflated contract

We have zero oversight with even the finance minister throwing up her hands and saying, what am I supposed to do if the president wants to blow money in a sinking economy?

We have a contract awarded to a no name company.

And rather than buy Nigerian to grow the economy, our president is importing vehicles

It sums up the Buhari years in a nutshell and explains some of the reasons why we are fked

GloriousGbola:


Let us agree that it is a matter of policy, even though all this helping hand to Niger only started with Buhari.
Which would imply it is not so much policy as his personal whim

Is this Buhari?

Android22:
Is this Buhari?

Can food relief of locally sourced grains (for an obvious disaster) worth 54m be equated with 1.45 billion of overpriced no bid imported vehicles for a vague purpose?

And 2005 was a much more prosperous time than 2022.

GloriousGbola:


Let us agree that it is a matter of policy, even though all this helping hand to Niger only started with Buhari.
Which would imply it is not so much policy as his personal whim

Secondly, all the talk about armoured cars is just conjecture. All we have is that the fg ordered 10 land cruisers at 1.45 billion to 'enhance nigers security'

Ironically, it has Always been Chad in the News for fighting bh, with their late presido stunting on the front lines.

There is no information as to exactly how they are intended to enahance security.

And the contract to procure them is awarded to a no name company

So in summary,
We have the president doling out largesse on his personal whims
We have an obviously inflated contract
We have zero oversight with even the finance minister throwing up her hands and saying, what am I supposed to do if the president wants to blow money in a sinking economy?
We have a contract awarded to a no name company.
And rather than buy Nigerian to grow the economy, our president is importing vehicles
It sums up the Buhari years in a nutshell and explains some of the reasons why we are fked

Chad is to our North East borders Borno. At the moment insecurity has spread to other areas including Zamfara Katsona Sokoto etc in the BBC interview, One f the bandit said he got his machine gun from Niger

If Nigerien govt asks for vehicle as part of our aid to them, Are you suggesting we send Innoson to them when many state govt in Nigeria dont use it

Its either we are a part of that policy of aiding our neighbors or we are not. We dont produce anything so all our effort to help anyone means we are importing. All we spent on Ecomog in Liberia and SierraLeone was mainly on imported equipments

We can argue if we should in our current state be helping other nations. That is one argument but there are counters to it that if our neighbors are insecure we will also share part of that wahala

When your roommate is busy consuming beans all day and you no talk, when his farts no gree you sleep for night

GloriousGbola:


Can food relief of locally sourced grains (for an obvious disaster) worth 54m be equated with 1.45 billion of overpriced no bid imported vehicles for a vague purpose?

And 2005 was a much more prosperous time than 2022.

Worth 450K USD. Which is 315M today abi the 1.4B will it not be in dollar rate of today?

Humor me, Nigeria was more prosperous in 2005?

raumdeuter:
We can argue if we should in our current state be helping other nations. That is one argument but there are counters to it that if our neighbors are insecure we will also share part of that wahala

When your roommate is busy consuming beans all day and you no talk, when his farts no gree you sleep for night

The foreign aid argument in the midst of being broke is the most nonsensical argument ever considering the amount. Money for foreign aid is budgeted. I already said the President now has the discretion as to where and how it is appropriated. There is not a single penny that BoJo gave to Ukraine that could not have been used to alleviate the homelessness or heating/cooling situation in the UK. Yet he still did it because he had to.

raumdeuter:


Chad is to our North East borders Borno. At the moment insecurity has spread to other areas including Zamfara Katsona Sokoto etc in the BBC interview, One f the bandit said he got his machine gun from Niger

If Nigerien govt asks for vehicle as part of our aid to them, Are you suggesting we send Innoson to them when many state govt in Nigeria dont use it

Its either we are a part of that policy of aiding our neighbors or we are not. We dont produce anything so all our effort to help anyone means we are importing. All we spent on Ecomog in Liberia and SierraLeone was mainly on imported equipments

You need to come home. It is innoson vehicles the federal govt is buying for police, military, customs and Co. If I recall it is policy that the vehicles should be locally done.if it is not innoson, it is JAC.

And we have discussed extensively on this thread about how the govt is buying proforce for the Military.

This would not Raise so many red flags If Buhari was not also having a rail line built to Niger.

He is the only one who knows the nature of his relationship with Niger

Android22:
Worth 450K USD. Which is 315M today abi the 1.4B will it not be in dollar rate of today?

Humor me, Nigeria was more prosperous in 2005?

I was there. You have no idea how heady those days were. People were coming home enmasse. Reverse Japa. This is why despite his flaws I will say obj was our best president.

'It's the economy, stupid!' that phrase is the ultimate measure of any administration.

People were starting work with 250k jobs. You knew all you had to do was hustle and wait and you too would get a great job. I interviewed with. Glo, v mobile, did tests and eventually landed an oil job.

People were hammering on the stock market bubble

Telecoms had opened up multiple industries.

Dollar even briefly dropped. People actually lost money holding dollars at a point.

One of my colleagues at one of my early jobs was complaining.

GloriousGbola:


I was there. You have no idea how heady those days were. People were coming home enmasse. Reverse Japa. This is why despite his flaws I will say obj was our best president.

'It's the economy, stupid!' that phrase is the ultimate measure of any administration.

People were starting work with 250k jobs. You knew all you had to do was hustle and wait and you too would get a great job. I interviewed with. Glo, v mobile, did tests and eventually landed an oil job.

People were hammering on the stock market bubble

Telecoms had opened up multiple industries.

Dollar even briefly dropped. People actually lost money holding dollars at a point.

One of my colleagues at one of my early jobs was complaining.

OBJ govt is the time we had some form of economic hope in Nigeria. I can attest to that

GloriousGbola:


You need to come home. It is innoson vehicles the federal govt is buying for police, military, customs and Co. If I recall it is policy that the vehicles should be locally done.if it is not innoson, it is JAC.

And we have discussed extensively on this thread about how the govt is buying proforce for the Military.

This would not Raise so many red flags If Buhari was not also having a rail line built to Niger.

He is the only one who knows the nature of his relationship with Niger

Investigates €3.6m spent to buy security vehicles for Niger Republic

https://thenationonlineng.net/efcc-begins-phase-two-of-2-1b-arms-deal-probe/

Android22:
The foreign aid argument in the midst of being broke is the most nonsensical argument ever considering the amount. Money for foreign aid is budgeted. I already said the President now has the discretion as to where and how it is appropriated. There is not a single penny that BoJo gave to Ukraine that could not have been used to alleviate the homelessness or heating/cooling situation in the UK. Yet he still did it because he had to.

the money was not budgeted. We read the words of our finance minister. Whatever the president says.

I don't know why you keep calling the names of prosperous first world countries.

How come we suddenly cannot imitate same countries fiscal responsibility, respect for human rights and adherence to process?

I would even understand if it was analogs to Nigeria being referenced. India, Pakistan. But no, I keep hearing us and Britain.

Maybe I too should allow my spend to be guided by the actions of people with incomes x1000 of mine

raumdeuter:


Investigates €3.6m spent to buy security vehicles for Niger Republic

https://thenationonlineng.net/efcc-begins-phase-two-of-2-1b-arms-deal-probe/

As usual there was no outcome of the investigation by EFCC.

Just noise and vibes and a repeat of the same procurement shenanigans 7 years later.

The only thing we can draw from this is that Buhari is ultimately gej 2.0

The contract was awarded in February.

All we have is a shadow awardee and no response from the government showing the actual purchased vehicles.

This is dasuki all over again

'Security purposes'

GloriousGbola:


the money was not budgeted. We read the words of our finance minister. Whatever the president says.

I don't know why you keep calling the names of prosperous first world countries.

How come we suddenly cannot imitate same countries fiscal responsibility, respect for human rights and adherence to process?

I would even understand if it was analogs to Nigeria being referenced. India, Pakistan. But no, I keep hearing us and Britain.

Maybe I too should allow my spend to be guided by the actions of people with incomes x1000 of mine

This is errant nonsense. Did I not mention current challenges both nations are experiencing that their so-called prosperity could have been channeled towards? When will you also ask for Nigeria to return all the aids we have received?

GloriousGbola:


I was there. You have no idea how heady those days were. People were coming home enmasse. Reverse Japa. This is why despite his flaws I will say obj was our best president.

'It's the economy, stupid!' that phrase is the ultimate measure of any administration.

People were starting work with 250k jobs. You knew all you had to do was hustle and wait and you too would get a great job. I interviewed with. Glo, v mobile, did tests and eventually landed an oil job.

People were hammering on the stock market bubble

Telecoms had opened up multiple industries.

Dollar even briefly dropped. People actually lost money holding dollars at a point.

One of my colleagues at one of my early jobs was complaining.

Who told you I was not there myself? So Jigawa state did not have any use for the 450K USD or what?

Revisionist nonsense as usual. As though sanctions were not lifted following Obasanjo's election victory and Nigeria's segue into "Democracy" that allowed for foreign companies to ply their trade in Nigeria.

Android22:
This is errant nonsense. Did I not mention current challenges both nations are experiencing that their so-called prosperity could have been channeled towards? When will you also ask for Nigeria to return all the aids we have received?

Is Nigeria receiving aid from fellow third world countries or first world countries?

You realise these countries you are referencing have States with bigger economies than nigeria?

Oya Raumdeuter, would you say. 1.4.billion is material to Nigeria right now? Or do we, like the world's super powers have enough resources to play big brother and soft diplomacy?

Android22:
Who told you I was not there myself? So Jigawa state did not have any use for the 450K USD or what?

If you were you would not be asking such questions.

Nobody who was actually working in Nigeria in 2005 would make claims that the economy was bad at the time.

GloriousGbola:


Is Nigeria receiving aid from fellow third world countries or first world countries?

You realise these countries you are referencing have States with bigger economies than nigeria?

Oya Raumdeuter, would you say. 1.4.billion is material to Nigeria right now? Or do we, like the world's super powers have enough resources to play big brother and soft diplomacy?

Between Nigeria and Niger which of them is closer to being first world?

And again spare me the worthless bigger economy excuse. As they are bigger is that an excuse to ignore their own challenges and turn to other nations to help them?

You see now that it is easier to criticize than be objective? I can literally show you why no nation should help less prosperous nations since there will always be a need in that so-called prosperous nation that such monies should have been channeled to.

GloriousGbola:


If you were you would not be asking such questions.

Nobody who was actually working in Nigeria in 2005 would make claims that the economy was bad at the time.

When did Eedris Abdulkareem release the song “Jaga Jaga”?

The revisionism on this thread is golden.

GloriousGbola:


If you were you would not be asking such questions.

Nobody who was actually working in Nigeria in 2005 would make claims that the economy was bad at the time.

Twaddle. PENCOM was it not 2004? Did the Obasanjo govt not owe retired/retrenched NITEL,PHCN etc staff? Do you know how many ex military officers were still owed pensions from that era that only got reprieve in future govts?

Illimitable:


When did Eedris Abdulkareem release the song “Jaga Jaga”?

The revisionism on this thread is golden.

I swearigad. Nigerians deserve what they get.

Android22:
Revisionist nonsense as usual. As though sanctions were not lifted following Obasanjo's election victory and Nigeria's segue into "Democracy" that allowed for foreign companies to ply their trade in Nigeria.

Yes. Revisionist nonsense. Maybe you should ask Buhari about that. Since he seems bent on returning us to abacha pariah status. That is why companies like twitter are building their hq in Ghana instead of Nigeria. If I. Recall, toyota now has a Ghana plantnl as well.

And companies like mtn and dstv are constantly being shaken down on alleged tax evasion, and dubai Air is reducing flights because their money is trapped.

You are watching a complete return to the abacha days, complete with methanol fuel replacing smelly fuel.

But keep going on about revisionism

Illimitable:


When did Eedris Abdulkareem release the song “Jaga Jaga”?

The revisionism on this thread is golden.

How old were you in 2004? At least raumdeuter, who was actually working at the time can tell you.

If you were not in the labour market you cannot tell how those times were.

GloriousGbola:


Yes. Revisionist nonsense. Maybe you should ask Buhari about that. Since he seems bent on returning us to abacha pariah status. That is why companies like twitter are building their hq in Ghana instead of Nigeria. If I. Recall, toyota now has a Ghana plantnl as well.

And companies like mtn and dstv are constantly being shaken down on alleged tax evasion, and dubai Air is reducing flights because their money is trapped.

You are watching a complete return to the abacha days, complete with methanol fuel replacing smelly fuel.

But keep going on about revisionism

You think I am defending Buhari's govt? lol. I guess time really showed what was hiding behind the curtains.

"Nigeria Jagajaga. Everything scatter scatter. Poor man suffer suffer gbosa gbosa, gun shot inna the air". During prosperous govt.

GloriousGbola:


How old were you in 2004? At least raumdeuter, who was actually working at the time can tell you.

If you were not in the labour market you cannot tell how those times were.

Which govt did Oshiomole fight as the Labour leader? Which govt did the late Gani Fawehemi fight the most? lol.

GloriousGbola:


How old were you in 2004? At least raumdeuter, who was actually working at the time can tell you.

If you were not in the labour market you cannot tell how those times were.

Nigeria stopped being good economically after the oil boom. By the mid-80s, the country was as hard as fück.

In the next 15 years, people would come on this site to say 2020 wasn’t that bad for the working class.

Nigeria went through Austerity under Shagari, MAMSER & SAP under IBB. They were tough times.

Ebenezer Obey sang “Formula 0-1-0” in the late 80s. The song described how majority of Nigerians had one meal per day.

Nigerians have always had it extremely hard.

GloriousGbola:


Is Nigeria receiving aid from fellow third world countries or first world countries?

You realise these countries you are referencing have States with bigger economies than nigeria?

Oya Rumdeuter, would you say. 1.4.billion is material to Nigeria right now? Or do we, like the world's super powers have enough resources to play big brother and soft diplomacy?

1.4b is material to Nigeria at every point in time and even now. If this was a deal or agreement signed with Niger do you suggest we ignore it?

We have security challenges and our neighbors need to help us to do as well. Its why the US keeps sending money to Mexico and Central American countries to help them secure America

Android22:
Twaddle. PENCOM was it not 2004? Did the Obasanjo govt not owe retired/retrenched NITEL,PHCN etc staff? Do you know how many ex military officers were still owed pensions from that era that only got reprieve in future govts?

Ironically you are still crediting Obj for establishing PENCOM.

Just as he established conmess, which regularised doctors salaries and reduced doctor japaing

You don't know that pension fraud is about Nigerians greed? Is it not under buharis watch we saw maina dancing up and down? I am sure we will still find the man is not in prison.