Obafavour:

Lol, how about "john 1:1-14, john 20:27-29 and john 10:30?

Obafavour:

The question is for kobojunkie, ask her/him

MaxInDHouse:


My friend it depends on how you want to interpret it, Jesus never claimed he is the Almighty God so it's trinitarians that's giving scriptures their own meaning!

Obafavour:

Re-read "john 1:1"
In the beginning was the word, the word was with God and the word was God.

Lukuluku69:


Google search Philo of Alexandria. He wrote that some fifty years before the Gospels were written.

Whoever put that in the Gospel plagiarized Philo work

Kobojunkie:
1. I am afraid you are wrong even here. Jesus Christ is the one who proclaimed Himself God. Paul and the others simply followed what Jesus Christ proclaimed.
He declared Himself God's Truth, God's Way, and God's Life. Of course, He also explained that God, the Father, is greater than He, Jesus Christ, in the same chapter of John.
This is true since there are many more aspects to God - God is also Love, Good, Justice, Wrath, Sovereign, Almighty, etc. This clearly explains that since Jesus Christ only possesses some of the attributes of God, Jesus Christ is God but He is not God, the Father.

2. Well, in this Paul basically attempted in his way to teach that which Jesus Christ Himself taught His followers. So, he, Paul, wasn't wrong.

Lukuluku69:
Google search Philo of Alexandria. He wrote that some fifty years before the Gospels were written.
Whoever put that in the Gospel plagiarized Philo work

Obafavour:

What's your point?

Kobojunkie:
Interesting accusation you make against John, the author of that Gospel. Care to provide a reference to exactly what it was that Philos said, that John supposedly plagiarized?

Lukuluku69:
1. Baba, Jesus did not proclaim himself God. Haba! Because he said I am the way... That doesn't equate to being God The Almighty. So, he is God but not God the Father?
2. So between him and his father who is God Almighty? Or are they one and the same?

Lukuluku69:
Search for Philo of Alexandria. Read his work.

Lukuluku69:


My point is, whoever put that in the Gospel cribbed it from Philo work.

In today's parlance, it is called Plagiarism.

Google search Philo of Alexandria. He was a contemporary of Jesus of Nazareth.

Obafavour:


Go through to verse 15 and now tell me how philo wrote that scripture.

Kobojunkie:
You are the one here making the assertions about Philo's works. So you should certainly be able to provide reference to his particular work which you accuse John of plagiarizing in this.

Kobojunkie:
Interesting accusation you make against John, the author of that Gospel. Care to provide a reference to exactly what it was that Philos said, that John supposedly plagiarized?

Obafavour:


Go through to verse 15 and now tell me how philo wrote that scripture.

Lukuluku69:
If you feeling too lazy. Here is a link for you to read about Philo of Alexandria.
https://iep.utm.edu/philo/#H7

“For God while he spake the word, did at the same moment create; nor did he allow anything to come between the Logos and the deed; and if one may advance a doctrine which is pretty nearly true, His Logos is his deed” (Sacr. 65; Mos.1.283). Thus any description of creation in temporal terms, e.g., by Moses, is not to be taken literally, but rather is an accommodation to the biblical language (Op. 19; Mut. 27; LA 2.9-13):

Maynman:


Where did you read that “john” was the author of any book? Bwahahahah. Provide a reference too
It was the Christian fathers that gave authors to the books in the New Testament.

Lukuluku69:


Read about Philo of Alexandria below. Go thru the link diligently and if you have money you can buy his work online. Read and compare what he has to say with the Opening Chapter of John's Gospel.

https://iep.utm.edu/philo/#H7

Lukuluku69:


If you care to read what I posted, you will see " whoever wrote". And yes I know it was the Christians Fathers that ascribed names to the Gospels.

That is why you read at the beginning " according to"

Kobojunkie:
Are you referring to this passage below from that link?

Maynman:


Did i quote you?
calm yourself.

Obafavour:

So who was philo refering to as "the WORD that was God?

Lukuluku69:

Lukuluku69:
What I posted is just a snippet. Read his work. I am sure that there is a free PDF of his work on the internet.search for it and read and if you have the means, buy the book and read.

Lukuluku69:

Read him up.

Kobojunkie:
You mean John plagiarized the entire work of Philo in that one line " In the beginning was the Word"?

Surely, you can point us directly to the part of Philo's work you believe was plagiarized, right?

Kobojunkie:
1. But I didn't say that Jesus Christ said He is God, the Father aka the Almighty. I instead made it clear that Jesus Christ said He is God since He is the Almighty's Way, Truth, and Life, and He is to be obeyed, just as God, the Almighty, commands of those who believe in Him.

2. This ought to be a no-brainer!

Lukuluku69:
Let me ask you a simple question that won't bring any ambiguity to anyone reading this.
1. Is Jesus The Almighty God? The Creator of the Heavens and Earth?

Kobojunkie:
You mean John plagiarized the entire work of Philo in that one line " In the beginning was the Word"?

Surely, you can point us directly to the part of Philo's work you believe was plagiarized, right?

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ is the Word out of God's Mouth i.e. God's Truth. That is what He told you in John 14 vs 6, and pretty much all of the Gospels.

Maynman:


Your body too dey hot. Did i quote you?