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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by EnlightenedUFO: 10:14am On Aug 12, 2022
wirinet:


Quit that nonsense. Hunter hidden was never a government official. If he commited any crime at all, they would be in his personal capacity and not official crimes.

Hunter alleged crimes cannot excuse Trump's alleged crimes. The legal system does not work that way. Religious legal system might but not secular civil system.

That is just the truth, and they all concort conspiracy theories to link his Father and son together, classic projection - Eric trump plead 500 times in his deposition, and criminal trump, A 440 advocate grin 440 I plead the fifth in his recent depositions! CAN YOU IMAGINE THAT! These people are alike evil, they know Criminal trump and his kids are crook, but that inner cultish feeling to defend the belief no matter what renders them nonexistent in listening and understanding

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by EnlightenedUFO: 10:20am On Aug 12, 2022
shogsman:

I've had losers like you who tried to stalk me on this platform before,but I always win boy, so I dare you to continue.
Ibrahimcoomasie
EnlightenedUFO
Enugurangers
Jimetagambo
Gambojimeta
Your remaining monikers will be exposed very soon when I have time, I'm still busy

On a second thought, why are you wasting away your life? Just thinking and wondering how would a normal human being who is fending for his daily food put this to heart? As a purpose to achieve? Do you really have a life, family, someone you love and who loves you? Because psychoanalyzing you you might be one very sad person in real life.
And secondly you are not even old on this board. Those who know me, know who i am. Certainly not that dude lol though that guy do gets on your skins with his corky takes lol.
But my attention was all on you, thinking how can a human being think this is an achievement to be proud of grin.
Just makes me ashamed of you though, coz when you have the time to go through my posts you'll know, and then you'll feel so ashamed and defeated.
Funny

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by EnlightenedUFO: 10:27am On Aug 12, 2022
jimetagambo:
Money launderings Fram da crooks familik

Kikikikikikiki

Wow it's getting more clearer that Criminal trump sold nuclear secrets to the Saudis for Jared's $2bn investment, and untold amount to Criminal trump for hosting LIV golf tournament, among other things. I won't be surprised some of those money is funnelling from Jared to his crooked father in law.
What a funny crime grin

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by EnlightenedUFO: 10:57am On Aug 12, 2022
There's this proverb about a rabbit who kept digging down the rabbit hole and felt too proud of itself which alerted the Fox to wait for it at the end...

this man tom barrack not to confuse with Barack Obama, is still on ankle monitors.
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Trump Adviser Tom Barrack Pushed for Saudi Nuclear Deal — and Planned to Profit From It


Documents released by a congressional committee reveal Barrack’s plan to team up with Arab princes to buy a U.S. nuclear company. Federal prosecutors are investigating foreign influence.

President Donald Trump’s inauguration chairman, Tom Barrack, lobbied the new administration to share nuclear power technology with Saudi Arabia while, at the same time, making plans to team up with the Saudis to buy a company that would benefit from the policy change, according to documents obtained by a House committee.

During the campaign, Barrack advised Trump on the Middle East, where he has long-standing business relationships. As Trump clinched the Republican nomination in 2016, Barrack shared a draft of a policy speech with a businessman from the United Arab Emirates, according to text messages quoted in the committee’s report. The businessman then consulted with unspecified others and suggested adding a paragraph praising the powerful princes of Saudi Arabia and the UAE, the text messages show.

Barrack incorporated the suggested language and sent a new draft to campaign chairman Paul Manafort, according to the report. In an email, Barrack seemed to suggest he knew he was entering an ethical or legal gray area: “This is probably as close as I can get without crossing a lot of lines,” he said.

On the day of the speech, Manafort sent Barrack a final draft, saying, “It has the language you want.”

The Democratic staff of the House Oversight Committee said the documents it received — 60,000 pages from various private companies — do not show whether candidate Trump was aware that his speech had been circulated to at least one foreign official. The report also does not indicate why Barrack wanted foreign input on the speech.

But Barrack, a billionaire investor, went on to pursue a lucrative deal based on the Trump administration’s Middle East policy, a policy that he was helping to shape.

Barrack’s plan, according to the documents, was for his firm and other U.S. investors to join with Saudi Arabia and the UAE to buy Westinghouse, the struggling U.S. manufacturer of nuclear reactors. At the same time, Barrack used his access to the White House to urge top officials to give Westinghouse permission to sell as many as 30 nuclear reactors to Saudi Arabia and the UAE.

When Westinghouse went to a different buyer, Barrack sought a $50 million stake, according to the documents. The Trump administration is still considering whether to allow Westinghouse to sell reactors to Saudi Arabia — an idea opposed by nonproliferation experts and lawmakers from both parties who fear the kingdom could repurpose the technology to build a nuclear bomb.

Barrack’s role in the proposed Saudi nuclear deal is now part of a federal investigation into illegal foreign lobbying, The New York Times reported on Sunday. Prosecutors have questioned Barrack in the probe, which arose from special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation and was referred to the U.S. attorney’s office in Brooklyn, according to the Times.

Barrack’s spokesman said he cooperated with and provided documents to the House committee. “Barrack’s engagement in investment and business development throughout the Middle East for the purpose of better aligned Middle East and U.S. objectives are well known,” the spokesman said in a statement. “Barrack’s consistent attempts to bridge the divide of tolerance and understanding between these two great cultures is etched in the annals of time.”

A spokesman for the U.S. attorney’s office declined to comment.

Federal law requires anyone working to influence U.S. policy on behalf of foreign governments to report their activities to the Justice Department. Manafort, deputy campaign manager Rick Gates and ex-national security adviser Michael Flynn all admitted to violating this law. Barrack did not file any disclosures about his contacts with the Saudis and Emiratis while he was helping to shape Trump’s policies toward the region.

When ProPublica interviewed Barrack in 2017, he acknowledged an interest in investing in Westinghouse, saying, “Westinghouse in bankruptcy today is a business opportunity for lots of people like me.” But the newly released documents reveal that Barrack’s efforts were more serious and advanced than previously known.

“The American people deserve to know the facts about whether the White House is willing to place the potential profits of the president’s personal friends above the national security of the American people and the universal objective of preventing the spread of nuclear weapons,” the committee’s chairman, Rep. Elijah Cummings, Democrat of Maryland, said in a statement on Monday.

The White House didn’t immediately respond to questions. The White House and multiple federal agencies did not cooperate with the committee’s investigation. Trump has spent the past several days tweeting insults at Cummings.

The committee’s Republican staff released its own report last week defending the administration against Democrats’ allegations of wrongdoing.

The Emirati businessman whom Barrack consulted on the campaign speech, Rashid al-Malik, is close to the UAE’s powerful prince and his brother who heads the country’s intelligence services, according to the Times. Al-Malik met with prosecutors in 2018 and then left the country, the Times reported. His lawyer, Bill Coffield, didn’t respond to requests for comment.

During the campaign, Barrack, an Arabic-speaking son of Lebanese immigrants, proposed deepening economic ties through a “Middle East Marshall Plan,” named after the American aid program to postwar Europe. After Trump’s inauguration, Barrack’s “Marshall Plan” turned into an effort to build nuclear reactors in Saudi Arabia, according to the committee’s report.

Barrack discussed the idea with officials, including senior adviser Jared Kushner, chief strategist Steve Bannon, chief of staff Reince Priebus and economic adviser Gary Cohn, according to the committee’s report. In March 2017, Barrack and Gates, who then worked for Barrack’s company, met with the president about the “Trump Middle East Marshall Plan,” according to correspondence obtained by the House committee.

Barrack talked to Trump and Kushner about leading the initiative as a special envoy to the Middle East, according to messages quoted in the report.

“I have been discussing a position with POTUS and Jared which would focus primarily on the commercial and economic aspects of the new economic development plan across the region,” Barrack said in a March 2017 email to the UAE’s ambassador to Washington, Yousef al Otaiba. “Would love to talk to you in depth about it when you have time!”

Who Was Behind the Plan to Give Saudi Arabia Nuclear Power, and What Was Their Agenda? — “Trump, Inc.” Extra
We talk with the ProPublica reporter who helped uncover the Trump administration’s plan to bring nuclear technology to the Saudis.

“Why don’t we try to get together with Adel next week, all three of us so we can brainstorm together,” Otaiba replied, referring to Adel al-Jubeir, a top Saudi diplomat. “Adel is a very close friend of mine and we often conspire together.”

The Emirati Embassy didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment.

Had Barrack taken an official position, he would have become subject to federal laws against conflicts of interest. But as the prospect of a diplomatic appointment faded, Barrack positioned himself to profit from the economic strategy he helped shape.

“We should revisit westinghouse issue!” Barrack texted Kushner in May 2017. “Interesting opportunity.”

Barrack approached private equity giants Apollo and Blackstone about joining their bid to buy Westinghouse, according to the report. In a September 2017 memo from Barrack, he said the firms would combine their funds with money from Saudi Arabia and the UAE.

But Westinghouse went with a competing bid, from the Canadian investment firm Brookfield. Barrack contacted Brookfield’s CEO asking to get involved, and Brookfield invited Barrack’s firm to make a $50 million investment, according to a February 2018 slide presentation quoted in the report.

The report does not make clear whether the investment went through. A person familiar with the negotiations, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said the investment didn’t end up happening.

Saudi Arabia still needs to sign a treaty with the U.S. before it can build nuclear power plants using U.S. technology. But the administration has already given some nuclear companies permission to share sensitive information with the Saudis. Lawmakers are furious that they weren’t notified and that the administration has forged ahead despite the Saudis’ role in the humanitarian crisis in Yemen and the murder of dissident journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

In February 2019, Trump met with representatives from the nuclear industry about the Saudi deal. The White House meeting was organized by a retired general whose company had worked with Barrack to advance the proposal, according to the House committee’s report. The company, IP3, planned a follow-up meeting in March with the national security adviser, John Bolton, but Bolton’s assistant canceled because of “legal and ethical concerns,” according to an email quoted in the report.

The White House meeting unnerved some of the other industry participants, according to emails quoted in the report. One email, sent by an executive who was not identified, called IP3’s proposal “dangerous-sounding” and a “flashing red warning light.” A different executive said, “Most participants are still concerned that IP3 is setting everyone up.” Another called IP3 the “Theranos of the nuclear industry,” referring to the blood-test startup whose founder has been charged with criminal fraud.

Barrack, however, was enthusiastic to throw in with IP3. In a January 2017 email after meeting with IP3 co-founder Robert “Bud” McFarlane (the Reagan national security adviser who pleaded guilty to withholding information from Congress and was later pardoned), Barrack wrote, “Bud I would follow you and your team almost anywhere!”

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by basilico: 11:28am On Aug 12, 2022
Saudis paid for Pakistan nuclear bombs. If they want a bomb they can get one in a few hours from the Pakistanis I think.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/middle-east/Saudi-Arabia-banks-on-Pakistan-for-nuclear-weapons-BBC-report-says/articleshow/25388743.cms

EnlightenedUFO:
There's this proverb about a rabbit who kept digging down the rabbit hole and felt too proud of itself which alerted the Fox to wait for it at the end...

this man tom barrack not to confuse with Barack Obama, is still on ankle monitors.
..............................................

Trump Adviser Tom Barrack Pushed for Saudi Nuclear Deal — and Planned to Profit From It


Documents released by a congressional committee reveal Barrack’s plan to team up with Arab princes to buy a U.S. nuclear company. Federal prosecutors are investigating foreign influence.

President Donald Trump’s inauguration chairman, Tom Barrack, lobbied the new administration to share nuclear power technology with Saudi Arabia while, at the same time, making plans to team up with the Saudis to buy a company that would benefit from the policy change, according to documents obtained by a House committee.

During the campaign, Barrack advised Trump on the Middle East, where he has long-standing business relationships. As Trump clinched the Republican nomination in 2016, Barrack shared a draft of a policy speech with a businessman from the United Arab Emirates, according to text messages quoted in the committee’s report. The businessman then consulted with unspecified others and suggested adding a paragraph praising the powerful princes of Saudi Arabia and the UAE, the text messages show.

Barrack incorporated the suggested language and sent a new draft to campaign chairman Paul Manafort, according to the report. In an email, Barrack seemed to suggest he knew he was entering an ethical or legal gray area: “This is probably as close as I can get without crossing a lot of lines,” he said.

On the day of the speech, Manafort sent Barrack a final draft, saying, “It has the language you want.”

The Democratic staff of the House Oversight Committee said the documents it received — 60,000 pages from various private companies — do not show whether candidate Trump was aware that his speech had been circulated to at least one foreign official. The report also does not indicate why Barrack wanted foreign input on the speech.

But Barrack, a billionaire investor, went on to pursue a lucrative deal based on the Trump administration’s Middle East policy, a policy that he was helping to shape.

Barrack’s plan, according to the documents, was for his firm and other U.S. investors to join with Saudi Arabia and the UAE to buy Westinghouse, the struggling U.S. manufacturer of nuclear reactors. At the same time, Barrack used his access to the White House to urge top officials to give Westinghouse permission to sell as many as 30 nuclear reactors to Saudi Arabia and the UAE.

When Westinghouse went to a different buyer, Barrack sought a $50 million stake, according to the documents. The Trump administration is still considering whether to allow Westinghouse to sell reactors to Saudi Arabia — an idea opposed by nonproliferation experts and lawmakers from both parties who fear the kingdom could repurpose the technology to build a nuclear bomb.

Barrack’s role in the proposed Saudi nuclear deal is now part of a federal investigation into illegal foreign lobbying, The New York Times reported on Sunday. Prosecutors have questioned Barrack in the probe, which arose from special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation and was referred to the U.S. attorney’s office in Brooklyn, according to the Times.

Barrack’s spokesman said he cooperated with and provided documents to the House committee. “Barrack’s engagement in investment and business development throughout the Middle East for the purpose of better aligned Middle East and U.S. objectives are well known,” the spokesman said in a statement. “Barrack’s consistent attempts to bridge the divide of tolerance and understanding between these two great cultures is etched in the annals of time.”

A spokesman for the U.S. attorney’s office declined to comment.

Federal law requires anyone working to influence U.S. policy on behalf of foreign governments to report their activities to the Justice Department. Manafort, deputy campaign manager Rick Gates and ex-national security adviser Michael Flynn all admitted to violating this law. Barrack did not file any disclosures about his contacts with the Saudis and Emiratis while he was helping to shape Trump’s policies toward the region.

When ProPublica interviewed Barrack in 2017, he acknowledged an interest in investing in Westinghouse, saying, “Westinghouse in bankruptcy today is a business opportunity for lots of people like me.” But the newly released documents reveal that Barrack’s efforts were more serious and advanced than previously known.

“The American people deserve to know the facts about whether the White House is willing to place the potential profits of the president’s personal friends above the national security of the American people and the universal objective of preventing the spread of nuclear weapons,” the committee’s chairman, Rep. Elijah Cummings, Democrat of Maryland, said in a statement on Monday.

The White House didn’t immediately respond to questions. The White House and multiple federal agencies did not cooperate with the committee’s investigation. Trump has spent the past several days tweeting insults at Cummings.

The committee’s Republican staff released its own report last week defending the administration against Democrats’ allegations of wrongdoing.

The Emirati businessman whom Barrack consulted on the campaign speech, Rashid al-Malik, is close to the UAE’s powerful prince and his brother who heads the country’s intelligence services, according to the Times. Al-Malik met with prosecutors in 2018 and then left the country, the Times reported. His lawyer, Bill Coffield, didn’t respond to requests for comment.

During the campaign, Barrack, an Arabic-speaking son of Lebanese immigrants, proposed deepening economic ties through a “Middle East Marshall Plan,” named after the American aid program to postwar Europe. After Trump’s inauguration, Barrack’s “Marshall Plan” turned into an effort to build nuclear reactors in Saudi Arabia, according to the committee’s report.

Barrack discussed the idea with officials, including senior adviser Jared Kushner, chief strategist Steve Bannon, chief of staff Reince Priebus and economic adviser Gary Cohn, according to the committee’s report. In March 2017, Barrack and Gates, who then worked for Barrack’s company, met with the president about the “Trump Middle East Marshall Plan,” according to correspondence obtained by the House committee.

Barrack talked to Trump and Kushner about leading the initiative as a special envoy to the Middle East, according to messages quoted in the report.

“I have been discussing a position with POTUS and Jared which would focus primarily on the commercial and economic aspects of the new economic development plan across the region,” Barrack said in a March 2017 email to the UAE’s ambassador to Washington, Yousef al Otaiba. “Would love to talk to you in depth about it when you have time!”

Who Was Behind the Plan to Give Saudi Arabia Nuclear Power, and What Was Their Agenda? — “Trump, Inc.” Extra
We talk with the ProPublica reporter who helped uncover the Trump administration’s plan to bring nuclear technology to the Saudis.

“Why don’t we try to get together with Adel next week, all three of us so we can brainstorm together,” Otaiba replied, referring to Adel al-Jubeir, a top Saudi diplomat. “Adel is a very close friend of mine and we often conspire together.”

The Emirati Embassy didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment.

Had Barrack taken an official position, he would have become subject to federal laws against conflicts of interest. But as the prospect of a diplomatic appointment faded, Barrack positioned himself to profit from the economic strategy he helped shape.

“We should revisit westinghouse issue!” Barrack texted Kushner in May 2017. “Interesting opportunity.”

Barrack approached private equity giants Apollo and Blackstone about joining their bid to buy Westinghouse, according to the report. In a September 2017 memo from Barrack, he said the firms would combine their funds with money from Saudi Arabia and the UAE.

But Westinghouse went with a competing bid, from the Canadian investment firm Brookfield. Barrack contacted Brookfield’s CEO asking to get involved, and Brookfield invited Barrack’s firm to make a $50 million investment, according to a February 2018 slide presentation quoted in the report.

The report does not make clear whether the investment went through. A person familiar with the negotiations, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said the investment didn’t end up happening.

Saudi Arabia still needs to sign a treaty with the U.S. before it can build nuclear power plants using U.S. technology. But the administration has already given some nuclear companies permission to share sensitive information with the Saudis. Lawmakers are furious that they weren’t notified and that the administration has forged ahead despite the Saudis’ role in the humanitarian crisis in Yemen and the murder of dissident journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

In February 2019, Trump met with representatives from the nuclear industry about the Saudi deal. The White House meeting was organized by a retired general whose company had worked with Barrack to advance the proposal, according to the House committee’s report. The company, IP3, planned a follow-up meeting in March with the national security adviser, John Bolton, but Bolton’s assistant canceled because of “legal and ethical concerns,” according to an email quoted in the report.

The White House meeting unnerved some of the other industry participants, according to emails quoted in the report. One email, sent by an executive who was not identified, called IP3’s proposal “dangerous-sounding” and a “flashing red warning light.” A different executive said, “Most participants are still concerned that IP3 is setting everyone up.” Another called IP3 the “Theranos of the nuclear industry,” referring to the blood-test startup whose founder has been charged with criminal fraud.

Barrack, however, was enthusiastic to throw in with IP3. In a January 2017 email after meeting with IP3 co-founder Robert “Bud” McFarlane (the Reagan national security adviser who pleaded guilty to withholding information from Congress and was later pardoned), Barrack wrote, “Bud I would follow you and your team almost anywhere!”
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by zendi: 11:43am On Aug 12, 2022
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by EnlightenedUFO: 1:52pm On Aug 12, 2022
I can't wrap my head how huge this is. Imagine the intelligence traffic and amount of recon work many countries are on right now coz of a perceived nuclear threat caused by Former president Criminal trump.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by EnlightenedUFO: 1:53pm On Aug 12, 2022

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by EnlightenedUFO: 1:55pm On Aug 12, 2022
basilico:
Saudis paid for Pakistan nuclear bombs. If they want a bomb they can get one in a few hours from the Pakistanis I think.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/middle-east/Saudi-Arabia-banks-on-Pakistan-for-nuclear-weapons-BBC-report-says/articleshow/25388743.cms


How does that obfuscate the fact that the former president Criminal trump stole Nuclear documents, highly classified and then broke the Presidential Records act? Don't lose sight of that, ok?

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by basilico: 2:28pm On Aug 12, 2022
EnlightenedUFO:


How does that obfuscate the fact that the former president Criminal trump stole Nuclear documents, highly classified and then broke the Presidential Records act? Don't lose sight of that, ok?


Where u got that ?. Clinton sent a suit to the drycleaner with the nuclear codes in the pockets,
Trump had been in comms with the Archive, The raid was to totally unnecessary because he was ready to hand over anything they wanted,
Dont be brainwashed by the media.,
My rallying call for many years
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by Emoc: 2:28pm On Aug 12, 2022
EnlightenedUFO:


Ignorant UFO STFU!
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by EnlightenedUFO: 3:27pm On Aug 12, 2022
Gonna break down this story later. Everything is coming to play now

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/05/jared-kushner-affinity-partners-saudi-arabia

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by EnlightenedUFO: 3:28pm On Aug 12, 2022
basilico:



Where u got that ?. Clinton sent a suit to the drycleaner with the nuclear codes in the pockets,
Trump had been in comms with the Archive, The raid was to totally unnecessary because he was ready to hand over anything they wanted,
Dont be brainwashed by the media.,
My rallying call for many years

What was the "anything they wanted"? You are carefully toeing the line of hypocrisy.. I don't think you understand what's happening yet

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by budaatum: 4:03pm On Aug 12, 2022
benalvino3:


Comey said she broke the law, but you are in a basement is claiming otherwise.
Then he should have prosecuted her if true, but of course you have not provided any evidence that Coney said Hillary broke the law.

https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by budaatum: 4:11pm On Aug 12, 2022
wirinet:


The US legal system just like the Nigerian legal system is intimidated by power. The more powerful you are politically or economically, the more you are shielded from the law..
I guess drumptghp is not powerful politically nor economically and he does not seem to be shielded by the law and all his intimidating is failing, because last time I checked he was wailing at the law for coming at him and currently has numerous legal cases that the law seems to be bringing against him. Even judges he appointed are ruling against him so I very do not agree with your "just like Nigeria" where judges are unlikely to bite the hand that fed them.

That said, I don't think drumpthgp will do jail time because Biden is likely to pardon him.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by benalvino3: 4:15pm On Aug 12, 2022
budaatum:

Then he should have prosecuted her if true, but of course you have not provided any evidence that Coney said Hillary broke the law.

https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system


I have provided videos of him saying there is no evidence of Hillary Knew she broke the laws (intent)... She breaks the Law but she did not intend to... that's his excuse.
when you stop being closed Minded you will see that Comey said she broke the law but Was there intent to break it?

Ignorance is not an excuse.

Lie to yourself. facts remain facts.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUrJUt_J8cg?t=300
if you skip to the 5mins mark.
See Comey saying she broke the law. but Don't open your eyes.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by budaatum: 4:29pm On Aug 12, 2022
benalvino3:

I have provided videos of him saying there is no evidence of Hillary Knew she broke the laws (intent)... She breaks the Law but she did not intend to... that's his excuse.

And you who know better are here claiming you have evidence she broke the law as if intent is not part of this particular law.

Thankfully, no one with any sense can say drumpthgp did not intend to break the law with the documents he knowingly removed and refused to return such that the law had to raid his home to get them back.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by benalvino3: 4:59pm On Aug 12, 2022
budaatum:


And you who know better are here claiming you have evidence she broke the law as if intent is not part of this particular law.

Thankfully, no one with any sense can say drumpthgp did not intend to break the law with the documents he knowingly removed and refused to return such that the law had to raid his home to get them back.


Comey said she broke the law. Video of him saying it is there. Only mumu will still say she didn't break the law.

People can break the law even if they did not intend to. In this case she intended to because she set up a server and expose classified materials to non authorized actors.

Comey did not press charges does not mean they cannot prove intent in the court.

I hope you have bathed before you come and claim you want to bath because of me...
You should bath everyday even if you did not leave your basement.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by budaatum: 5:35pm On Aug 12, 2022
benalvino3:


Comey did not press charges does not mean they cannot prove intent in the court.
Fact is he did not charge her so she's not guilty. We will not make that mistake where drumpthgp is concerned.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by benalvino3: 5:59pm On Aug 12, 2022
budaatum:

Fact is he did not charge her so she's not guilty. We will not make that mistake where drumpthgp is concerned.

Yes, He did not charge her for a crime she committed because of corruption.

there are people who were sleeping with kids that Epstein provided for them. they are not guilty because they were never charged. it does not mean they did not commit a crime. the FBI knows them.

When you don't efficiently use your head, you will make funny argument.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by budaatum: 6:40pm On Aug 12, 2022
benalvino3:


Yes, He did not charge her for a crime she committed because of corruption.

there are people who were sleeping with kids that Epstein provided for them. they are not guilty because they were never charged.

Actually, they are not guilty because they were never charged with a crime for which evidence was presented before a jury of their peers and been found guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

You don't get to determine guilt in your basement, Ben, and neither does Comey, from anywhere since he is neither judge not juror.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by benalvino3: 6:54pm On Aug 12, 2022
budaatum:


Actually, they are not guilty because they were never charged with a crime for which evidence was presented before a jury of their peers and been found guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

You don't get to determine guilt in your basement, Ben, and neither does Comey, from anywhere since he is neither judge not juror.

Again, they are not guilty does not mean they did not commit a crime. The government of Saudi Arabia assassinates a journalist. A crime was committed, but he was never charged and never found guilty. does that mean the crime did not occur?

If your daddy did not punish you for stealing meat in the pot, does that mean you did not steal the meat? use your head oga.

Corruption, Man-o-man, and many factors can make someone get away with a crime.

The Chicago DA almost allowed Jossie Smollett to get away with the crime he committed because of Man-o-Man, she did not want to charge him but instead make him out as the victim of his own hoax.

this is what a kid at primary 5 can understand... I wonder why you cant.

I am not determining Guilt oga, I am telling you Comey said with his Mouth she committed a crime.

He refused to charge her.

try to keep up. you are the one talking about guilt here. Don't forget to shower. its only when you speak to me on this forum you remember to shower.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by budaatum: 7:08pm On Aug 12, 2022
benalvino3:


Again, they are not guilty does not mean they did not commit a crime.

There must be maga courts where this your logic works but don't expect me to have anything to do with it.

If I am not guilty of a specific crime, as in, if you have not gone to court to present your evidence of a specific crime you claim I committed before a jury of my peers who find me guilty beyond reasonable doubt, then I definitely did not commit the crime you allege I committed and I am in fact not guilty unless the jury said otherwise.

Please know that this does not mean I have not committed other crimes nor is this an admission that I might have. Either ways, I am not guilty of committing a specific crime or those other crimes until you prove your case before a jury who find me guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by benalvino3: 7:23pm On Aug 12, 2022
budaatum:


There must be maga courts where this your logic works but don't expect me to have anything to do with it.

If I am not guilty of a specific crime, as in, if you have not gone to court to present your evidence of a specific crime you claim I committed before a jury of my peers who find me guilty beyond reasonable doubt, then I definitely did not commit the crime you allege I committed and I am in fact not guilty unless the jury said otherwise.

Please know that this does not mean I have not committed other crimes nor is this an admission that I might have. Either ways, I am not guilty of committing a specific crime or those other crimes until you prove your case before a jury who find me guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

Oga, you can commit a crime and not be found guilty. common sense. you are just embarrassing yourself.
there is a reason we have the term "Crime scene" because a crime has been committed. It's not like the police have to wait for the court to find someone guilty before they label that place they are investigating a crime scene.

irrespective of whether someone is found guilty or not... that someone can still commit a crime and never go to a court for trial, or never charged or let go. this is common sense.

just go and take your bath. you don't have anything to say

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by budaatum: 7:32pm On Aug 12, 2022
benalvino3:


Oga, you can commit a crime and not be found guilty. common sense. you are just embarrassing yourself.

Sense that is common is just that, common to everyone whether they use their brains or not. One must work hard for superior uncommon sense.

If I commit a crime and I'm not found guilty then I am not guilty ben is precisely the point, and Comey never said Hillary was guilty.

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by benalvino3: 7:57pm On Aug 12, 2022
budaatum:


Sense that is common is just that, common to everyone whether they use their brains or not. One must work hard for superior uncommon sense.

If I commit a crime and I'm not found guilty then I am not guilty ben is precisely the point, and Comey never said Hillary was guilty.

That is not precisely the point. you cannot be found guilty of killing someone if you are not charged. it does not mean the crime did not happen.
a lot of factors can make someone get away with a crime.

the point is you commit a crime oga. If ever the corrupt system chooses to charge you or let you go free does not change the fact that you stole the country's Money, you Murder someone or you raped a minor.

common sense is common but not to you.

pivot to "Guilty" again. a crime must be committed before someone can be found guilty,
A crime can be committed even if someone is not found guilty of the crime he committed,
Someone can be found guilty of a crime he did not commit.

Authorities may even choose to look the other way if they are corrupt so an actor can get away with a crime.


recently, We know Nigerian politicians for their loot. looting is a crime. Most of them get away with it. so because they were never charged in court, it means they never looted anything? is that how you think?

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by jimetagambo: 8:04pm On Aug 12, 2022
Twitter is boom witi aktivity

Trump ah leaks warrant ta Breitbart, WSJ andi Fox afta release ofu posts Onu truth social which ah admitt guilts

Breitbart ah doxx FBI agents

Trump Isa unda investigations fa espionage

Amelikans ah angrys

What ah ways ta starts da weekends

Kikikikikikiki

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by EnlightenedUFO: 8:09pm On Aug 12, 2022
Fire on the mountain! No one wants to be associated with this hot button issue right now.

I've been telling you guys Criminal trump is done. Are we still waiting for the October surprise? grin

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by jimetagambo: 8:17pm On Aug 12, 2022
Kikikikikikiki

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by EnlightenedUFO: 8:50pm On Aug 12, 2022
OH DAMN!

ESPIO... People get executed for that shocked

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by EnlightenedUFO: 8:51pm On Aug 12, 2022
I made a prediction somewhile ago as Obri and i said Criminal trump is going to run away from the country and hide in Russia. The fool will call it an exile..

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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is President-Elect! by EnlightenedUFO: 8:55pm On Aug 12, 2022
@zendi

Did you know Brietbart first leaked Criminal trup's warrant and just told everyone he is under A couple of criminal investigations including the Espionage Act.

Drink water and think this through, ESPIONAGE!!!!

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