Jodera:
I don't know how that votes work but if it's true, then all the voters smoked loud in omitting Rodri

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Jodera:

My point is that Man city players won't dominate EPL team of the season as long as most of the players aren't stable first teamers

Son should also make this list over Mané and if you must have Mané then Ronaldo should be taken off. That is in addition to Akwara nta hobbling off the list. lol

AnfieldFan:

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You are confusing the awards for the team selection.

Jodera:
5 from Man city??

Bernado, Cancelo and Kdb. Who are the other two abeg?


And yeah, I know he said that not all of Man city players should be there but at least most. That's what I understood from dominate.

That is part of my point: Liverpool had 6 to City's 3 yet City has 4 of the last 5 titles. How can it ever make sense?

Android22:
You are confusing the awards for the team selection.

Isn't the team selection considered an award itself?

AnfieldFan:


Isn't the team selection considered an award itself?

It is not. Was Son not on the top 3 list?

AnfieldFan:

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Then the players smoked loud too then. Anyhow, person must just collect that loud

Android22:
It is not. Was Son not on the top 3 list?

See this..

Jodera

Android22:
Son should also make this list over Mané and if you must have Mané then Ronaldo should be taken off. That is in addition to Akwara nta hobbling off the list. lol

Lol, I/we are not even talking about other teams but why Man city player should/shouldn't be there right?

The discussion is whether Man city should dominate and which Man city player should be there and not whether which player from one team not called Man city should displace another player.

AnfieldFan:

See this..

J.odera

You are still conflating it. What you showed now is not talking about the team but the individual awards. I can prove my point in 2 ways:

1. PFA is not the same as PFA Player's. . . Salah was voted by his peers but the Union selected the team.

2. Son finished 3rd to Salah and KdB on the awards yet is not on the team. That should tell you more.

Android22:
That is part of my point: Liverpool had 6 to City's 3 yet City has 4 of the last 5 titles. How can it ever make sense?

Shey I just explained it to you na?

Abi you no see the answer ni? Abi you just no wan accept am

Jodera:
Lol, I/we are not even talking about other teams but why Man city player should/shouldn't be there right?

The discussion is whether Man city should dominate and which Man city player should be there and not whether which player from one team not called Man city should displace another player.

That was a point I was making aside, to show you ways Liverpool's number could have been reduced to show fairness.

Laporte should make that list over Rudiger. There is no data you can bring that can contradict this even when compared to VVD. They conceded the same number Laporte and VVD but Laporte was more accurate in passing and did it at a far higher volume. Then he also scored more goals if I am not mistaken. Rodri replaces Thiago as well and City will have 5 to Liverpool's 4 (considering Son should replace Mané if you won't select Mahrez who had a better season than Mané).

AnfieldFan:

See this..

Jo.dera

Yeah, even your previous screenshot did justice to it.

In that case, all the EPL players that voted smoked loud then

No how Rodri wasn't outstanding not to be in that team. I know thiago balled but Rodri also balled plus almost all his goals were instrumental to 3points and wins(which eventually won them the league), something I feel edges Thiago.

Jodera:
Shey I just explained it to you na?

Abi you no see the answer ni? Abi you just no wan accept am

You brought up tinkering and stable first team and I said nobody judges that but performances.

Android22:
You are still conflating it. What you showed now is not talking about the team but the individual awards. I can prove my point in 2 ways:

1. PFA is not the same as PFA Player's. . . Salah was voted by his peers but the Union selected the team.

2. Son finished 3rd to Salah and KdB on the awards yet is not on the team. That should tell you more.

Thiago is in PFA Premier league team of the year....Is this particular award not player voted?

Jodera:
Yeah, even your previous screenshot did justice to it.

In that case, all the EPL players that voted smoked loud then

No how Rodri wasn't outstanding not to be in that team. I know thiago balled but Rodri also balled plus almost all his goals were instrumental to 3points and wins(which eventually won them the league), something I feel edges Thiago.

Maybe ask the players

This guy is simply the GOAT. See stage performance


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bHevHnCCFQ

Ibime:
This guy is simply the GOAT. See stage performance


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bHevHnCCFQ

Electrifying...

AnfieldFan:


Thiago is in PFA Premier league team of the year....Is this particular award not player voted?

It is not. I don't know how many ways I should prove it to you. Was Son not 3rd on that award for players' player of the year? So how is he 3rd in the voting but somehow missing from the team?

AnfieldFan:


Electrifying...

Burna Issa good stage performer✊

Android22:
That was a point I was making aside, to show you ways Liverpool's number could have been reduced to show fairness.

Laporte should make that list over Rudiger. There is no data you can bring that can contradict this even when compared to VVD. They conceded the same number Laporte and VVD but Laporte was more accurate in passing and did it at a far higher volume. Then he also scored more goals if I am not mistaken. Rodri replaces Thiago as well and City will have 5 to Liverpool's 4 (considering Son should replace Mané if you won't select Mahrez who had a better season than Mané).

I don't think that's a given. Both of them performed well and even if you even check/watch deeper maybe Rudiger have more correct performances than Laporte last season. While team might help Laporte (clean sheet and all) but individually, Rudiger was a beast. Aerially, defensive-wise and even his passes wasn't slack. Nobody can dispute Rudiger name not being there. Lai lai


Mahrez is another reason why I'm talking about instability in team. Why will I choose/consider Mahrez as EPL team of the season when there a better performances from others elsewhere and sometimes he comes from the bench even if fit. It doesn't work that way bro

So kponkpon defender is a Balon D'or nominee. Shame on his detractors

AnfieldFan:


Maybe ask the players

Lol... Na now you come

Android22:
It is not. I don't know how many ways I should prove it to you. Was Son not 3rd on that award for players' player of the year? So how is he 3rd in the voting but somehow missing from the team?

Do you have any proof PFA team of the year is voted for by players...I don't want to take your word for it...I wasn't sure before but this clearly has PFA Team of the year and it says Players vote for it... Premier League, Championship etc...
Just get me a link or something...

Jodera:
I don't think that's a given. Both of them performed well and even if you even check/watch deeper maybe Rudiger have more correct performances than Laporte last season. While team might help Laporte (clean sheet and all) but individually, Rudiger was a beast. Aerially, defensive-wise and even his passes wasn't slack. Nobody can dispute Rudiger name not being there. Lai lai


Mahrez is another reason why I'm talking about instability in team. Why will I choose/consider Mahrez as EPL team of the season when there a better performances from others elsewhere and sometimes he comes from the bench even if fit. It doesn't work that way bro

I don't do subjective arguments. That is exactly why you cannot challenge what Bernardo said which is what led to this conversation. Rudiger was playing when his team conceded more than Laporte's team. VVD conceded the same number of goals as Laporte. Laporte now won the league but you say no other players should make it. Then Mahrez scored and assisted more in less games but you say he was coming off the bench to score sometimes. How does it matter? Is it better to start a game and score 1 goal in that game or to come on 20 minutes to the end and score 2? Who performed better?

That is why I said performances are judged not who started and all that stuff.

Don't forget that if only 3 of City players were top performing, then how can you explain how they got to win the league against another team that had 6 players top performing? And how would you explain how the Manager of the 6 is manager of the year compared to the manager who got the best out of only 3 of his players yet won the league?

AnfieldFan:


Do you have any proof PFA team of the year is voted for by players...I don't want to take your word for it...I wasn't sure before but this clearly has PFA Team of the year and it says Players vote for it... Premier League, Championship etc...
Just get me a link or something...

You are asking me a wrong question already. You have not even provided any proof that the players vote the team. You only showed that the union and players vote those who get the awards.

I have now shown beyond any doubt that if the players voted the team, Son who was 3rd in the award will be on the team abi no be so? The logic is not hard. I can still give you a link but you don't have to pretend I am just asking you to take my word for it. Take your own evidence for it. Show me Son on the team so I can rest my case.

Android22:
You brought up tinkering and stable first team and I said nobody judges that but performances.

it does and it's a big contributing factor. There's a reason all three of you guys representatives are sure starters in the midst of cut and chop system. I sympathize with Rodri cos I believe he suppose to make it 4.

Imagine that they have to even shift Cancelo to Lb position just because of Arnold and his performances even though Cancelo he played as RB most times. Now imagine that he's not a starter but coming from bench once in a while and starting once in 2 matches, do you think he'll have what it takes to displace a regular Robertson in that Lb position with the latter's performance last season?

I don't think so

Android22:
You are asking me a wrong question already. You have not even provided any proof that the players vote the team. You only showed that the union and players vote those who get the awards.

I have now shown beyond any doubt that if the players voted the team, Son who was 3rd in the award will be on the team abi no be so? The logic is not hard. I can still give you a link but you don't have to pretend I am just asking you to take my word for it. Take your own evidence for it. Show me Son on the team so I can rest my case.

Ok

Jodera:
it does and it's a big contributing factor. There's a reason all three of you guys representatives are sure starters in the midst of cut and chop system. I sympathize with Rodri cos I believe he suppose to make it 4.

Imagine that they have to even shift Cancelo to Lb position just because of Arnold and his performances even though Cancelo he played as RB most times. Now imagine that he's not a starter but coming from bench once in a while and starting once in 2 matches, do you think he'll have what it takes to displace a regular Robertson in that Lb position with the latter's performance last season?

I don't think so

Cancelo played LB more last season. As for the contributing factor, I have already shown you that it does not when results are compared. Was that not the justification (unjustified IMHO) for Thiago who played less games than Rodri?

The players voted the top 3 best players in the league.

Salah number 1, KdB number 2 and Son number 3.

Then those same players are "voting" for the team of the season but the 3rd best player in the league won't be on the team and someone is arguing that the team was voted for by the same players, how na?

Android22:
I don't do subjective arguments. That is exactly why you cannot challenge what Bernardo said which is what led to this conversation. Rudiger was playing when his team conceded more than Laporte's team. VVD conceded the same number of goals as Laporte. Laporte now won the league but you say no other players should make it. Then Mahrez scored and assisted more in less games but you say he was coming off the bench to score sometimes. How does it matter? Is it better to start a game and score 1 goal in that game or to come on 20 minutes to the end and score 2? Who performed better?

That is why I said performances are judged not who started and all that stuff.

Don't forget that if only 3 of City players were top performing, then how can you explain how they got to win the league against another team that had 6 players top performing? And how would you explain how the Manager of the 6 is manager of the year compared to the manager who got the best out of only 3 of his players yet won the league?

Maybe you must be living in Disneyland if you think a team winning a competition automatically means most of the players in that team must be up for awards. There's a reason why it's called award and it's for specifically individual performances. And yes, a player's Performance might not reflect in his team result but that's what this award is made for — to recognise 'that' performance even in the midst of shambolic display by his teammates.

Awards are mostly subjective. I don't know why you'd say it isn't. Nobody will begrudge PFA for giving Salah the best player's award even though his team didn't the league. That's the individual performances at play here.

And the bolded matters. If he's that good as you claim he won't be coming from the bench. No coach puts their best players more on the bench than starting lineup and if Mahrez can't consistently start game in his team, the sorry he's not fit to be in EPL best 11 except of course the other teams 19 players in his position underwhelms too which is practically impossible.

And please, don't misinterpret me na. I didn't say only three Man city players are top performing. I just said the 3 players are the best in their position. The other city players are top performing but unfortunately another player in another team might outperform them individually. That doesn't mean they're not top performing.

Eg Like Laporte might have a top Performance
Of 9.0 but Rudiger might edge him with 9.3. It doesn't mean Laporte was a flop or he didn't perform or that the 9.0 can't make one win the league, he was just a bit unfortunate that Rudiger outperform him. Simple.

Jodera:
Maybe you must be living in Disneyland if you think a team winning a competition automatically means most of the players in that team must be up for awards. There's a reason why it's called award and it's for specifically individual performances. And yes, a player's Performance might not reflect in his team result but that's what this award is made for — to recognise 'that' performance even in the midst of shambolic display by his teammates.

Awards are mostly subjective. I don't know why you'd say it isn't. Nobody will begrudge PFA for giving Salah the best player's award even though his team didn't the league. That's the individual performances at play here.

And the bolded matters. If he's that good as you claim he won't be coming from the bench. No coach puts their best players more on the bench than starting lineup and if Mahrez can't consistently start game in his team, the sorry he's not fit to be in EPL best 11 except of course the other teams 19 players in his position underwhelms too which is practically impossible.

And please, don't misinterpret me na. I didn't say only three Man city players are top performing. I just said the 3 players are the best in their position. The other city players are top performing but unfortunately another player in another team might outperform them individually. That doesn't mean they're not top performing.

Eg Like Laporte might have a top Performance
Of 9.0 but Rudiger might edge him with 9.3. It doesn't mean Laporte was a flop or he didn't perform or that the 9.0 can't make one win the league, he was just a bit unfortunate that Rudiger outperform him. Simple.

Sorry I don't do subjective nonsense. If you have fine points to make delineate them. All that "if you are this good..." is foolish talk. If I play 3 minutes from the bench and score a hattrick, I did better than someone who started and scored one. I won't even bother touching the Rudiger talking point as well, since it is just drivel.

Meanwhile, I am not offended that Laporte or Mahrez did not make the team lol. They should even remove all the City players entirely. I just wanna see City winning and making haters mad.

The whole point was, you don't have enough facts to challenge Bernardo and that is where the penny drops.