aribisala0:

Factually do you have aa shred of evidence to back this claim?

It simply is not true. Many people may have CLAIMED they opened accounts. Have you got evidence of those who had papers and were denied

More importantly what you fail to tell us is assuming your claim is true what happened to the money.

Was their ever any legislation empowering government to take such money or did the banks benefit

Were Ikwerres affected ? Why not how not?

What about so called DElta Igbos?

Surely such a decree or law must have been gazetted
Surely it must have made it into ONE NEWSPAPER article somewhere ?

What was the size of Bank deposits in Nigeria in total. Surely there must be some evidence of something.



Did the Nigerian government confiscate the money? By decree or what mechanism?

Our laws are not secret!!
The banks were not government owned in fact one was British and the other partly British. They could not hand over money without a decree or gazette

aribisala0:
What happened to Eboe money in the Banks.

I can tell you are young

How many banks were in Nigeria in 1966
Do you Know their names.
Do you have an Idea how many bank branches there were in the whole of Nigeria in 1966?

The simple question is this
Is there ONE

Repeat
Is there one Eboe man that you have ever met in your life that has shown you a bank passbook , photograph or photocopy to say
This is my bank document I was not allowed to get my money

JUST ONE >
Have you ever seen any newspaper article with that claim

JUST ONE

The reality is on this thread we have dismantled all those lies
Yes people might have lost their banks books but surely NOT EVERYONE

Now did Ojukwu ever make any statement that his money in the bank was seized
Chinua Achebe was the official propagandist of Biafra did he ever write anything like that

So tell us the name of ONE PERSON , ONE EBOE PERSON who was denied access to his savings and how much was seized

This is not about ranting but evidence

I expect you, like those before you to run away and avoid this thread because the truth is IT DID NOT HAPPEN

tishbite42:

My grand uncles had accounts with either Standard Bank(now First Bank) and Barclays Bank(today's Union Bank). They lost their hard earned money. If we can chat privately, I will give you the name and address of the surviving one for you to check for yourself. He's kept the passbook because he wasn't lucky enough to get the so-called 20 pounds. Ojukwu's money and houses were seized, he later recovered the houses from Lagos State after a protracted court battle.
Just leave your hatred and live your life.
History revisionism won't take you anywhere.

toneroforever:
I mean no disrespect,but I doubt how many tribes that can rise from the ashes if they go through what the Igbos were subjected to during the civil war & still go through afterwards(covertly/overtly) .
My point is that the war was terrible & painful. Nobody should wish that on his enemy. Let's sincerely heal from those bitter memories and put them behind us.

aribisala0:
Guy Ojukwu's house was a matter between him and Lagos State government
State Governments do not control Banks. That is a different matter
Do you have evidence Ojukwu's money was seized

My whole mission on this thread is FACTS AND EVIDENCE

Already you are accusing me of hatred because I do not buy your tales


NO EVIDENCE ?? Then it did not happen

Let us look at the facts of your claim

You say your uncles LOST THEIR MONEY

Tell us more.

They went to the banks and were denied their money? On what basis.What did the banks tell them?

The truth is that many of you have been lied to by these uncles and so on

I do not need to chat privately

My issue is of the millions of Eboes from that time till today

NO ONE has brought out a passbook of an uncle, father or grandfather
NOT EVEN ONE ? Haba!!

So did Nigeria pass a law or how exactly did it happen
Even today if government freezes account it must be by some law or court order.
Barclays was a British bank it could not have acted without a decree or government instruction
You are telling us this was not recorded in any newspaper
It is very difficult to accept that the people you have always know as parents were adoptive in a similar way Many Eboes and their relationship with Nigeria is based on this twenty pound story.
It is hard to accept that a story you have believed all your life is a lie but that is exactly what it is
So my mind is open to evidence. The reality is there is no evidence ANYWHERE that the Nigerian State seized the money of Eboes

So what happened to the money of Ibibios,Efik, Ikwerre, etc
The Eboe narrative of
They seized our money and gave us twenty pounds now look at us are we not great is just a psychological device to manage the trauma of the war and make you feel better about yourselves
No one seized any money

tishbite42:

Mr. Man, it happened. Stop peddling falsehood. Even Awolowo tried to defend himself.
I'm done talking. You can as well deny the Civil War.

aribisala0:
Evidence

You folk operate on sentiment and emotion

What evidence do you have?

kay1one:


Deuteronomy 19:15 The Law Concerning Witnesses
“One witness shall not rise against a man concerning any iniquity or any sin that he commits; by the mouth of two or three witnesses the matter shall be established.

Matthew 18:16 But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that ‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’

2 Corinthians 13:1 Coming with Authority
This will be the third time I am coming to you. “By the mouth of two or three witnesses every word shall be established.”

1 Timothy 5:19 Do not receive an accusation against an elder except from two or three witnesses.

Hebrews 10:28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.

I hope you understand what these verses mean. "In the mouth of two or three witnesses a matter is established."
If you don't believe it, leave it.
At least you've opened a topic on naira land that got to 18 pages. Reveal in that achievement.

Bye.

aribisala0:
Evidence

You folk operate on sentiment and emotion

What evidence do you have?
Awolowo tried to defend himself?

He set the records straight and the records are there
So rather than say IT happened

Tell us WHAT happened

What is this IT that happened

What exactly?
Did Nigeria pass a law authorizing the seizure of money in Eboe bank accounts? Yes or No

tishbite42:

Nothing happened but he tried to set the records straight according to a Yoruba man.

If you're ignorant and sincere to learn, please go and read' Time to end the bad blood between Yoruba and Ndigbo' by Femi Aribisala
Thanks.

Obi1kenobi:


Were they going to carry it on their heads? There's little doubt the elites and middle class were wrecked after the war. The shortage of capital was one of the reasons the indigenization of foreign firms/industries worked overwhelmingly in favour of Yorubas immediately after the civil war: a massive gap which developed at the time that we've been trying to bridge ever since to some degree of success, but still ultimately falling short.

I'm not sure what the point of this thread is really. Those who couldn't prove they had deposits in banks before the war got nothing and had to start from scratch. My dad was an example. This group was the majority. The minority who could prove they did got £20. It would be silly in the extreme to believe this covered what they had lost.

aribisala0:
No need to widen the issue to irrelevances
Here we are discussing TWENTY POUNDS
Did the Government of Nigeria confiscate money held in accounts of Eboes. Yes or No?

Why try to muddy the waters? One reason

There is no evidence for that

So just cause confusion by talking about 100 things

No need for that

Did Nigeria seize money of Eboes held in banks?

Evidence?
Simple

That did not happen
One is curious to know how or why Ikwerre people , Efik , Ibibio, Ijaw , Anang, Ogoni and every other group from the erstwhile Biafra never make this claim

We must conclude
a) only Eboes had money in banks
OR
b) there was a system for separating the accounts of Eboes

All this happened and it was NEVER reported in ONE newspaper
Chinua Achebe and other Eboe intellectual NEVER wrote a single article about it
Ojukwu NEVER talked about it?
Did Nigeria make any law or decree to support this action

Now are we also to believe that there is not ONE surviving passbook from the whole of Biafra of a person denied access to their money

tishbite42:

This shows that you are lying. Achebe wrote about the 20 pounds issue in at least two books, The Trouble with Nigeria and There was a Country.
Oga Lie Mohammed go and sleep
Awo's children can't defend their father. So stop wasting your time. Don't bother to quote.

aribisala0:
You see there are so many lies about that time that people believe without questioning.

Some of it they believe because they WANT TO. This may sound strange but people can make a deliberate effort to believe a falsehood like the young lad who walks in and finds his mother in copulo with Pastor Koboko and persuades himself they were praying. The human capacity for self deception is astounding.

Now consider the story told about Awolowo and the indigenization policy. How he conspired as Minister of Finance to facilitate the acquisition of businesses by Yorubas.

The Fact is Awolowo left Gowon's government in 1971 in fact he sent is his resignation letter giving notice in 1970. This is public knowledge.
It is also a fact that the First indigenization decree was promulgated in 1972 With Shehu Shagari as Minister of Finance from 1971-1975. Still you will never hear Shagari's name but Awolowo.

WHY??

The reason is simple.

The civil war brought a new and profound sense of failure for these people and they remained in shock for a long time. They needed a narrative to explain their failure. For them the principal reason for their failure had to be Awo and by extension the Yoruba.Reality was irrelevant.
Well we differ. You lost out not because of Yoruba betrayal(we were not allies politically) but rather because of your tendency to act impulsively without planning or regard to consequences. Just like we have seen recently with Nnamdi Kanu

Essentially they are owned by a deep sense of self hate that is so corrosive internally it had to be externalized and Awo and the Yorubas are a ready alibi.
Till tomorrow they have not been able to confront and process or interrogate the pogroms of 66 and 67 and its perpetrators ,they cannot even look them in the eye. A case of collective Stockholm syndrome.
Well They are entitled to their hate. We are entitled to ensure the fidelity of any historical narratives.

Awolowo was VERY GOOD to them and they should make a big statue for him in Owerri

aribisala0:
https://groups.google.com/g/usaafricadialogue/c/cDsOsCpYvDw
The company in which I worked during the war paid an average of 8 pounds per month to a casual laborer. If you were successful in you school certificate, you were paid sixteen pounds by the ministry and about 20 pounds in my company. As a confirmed factory laborer, you earned an average of around 16 pounds. A university graduate earned 72 pounds on the average. I would not hazard a guess as to what happened to those with thousands of pounds left in their bank accounts before the war. Those kinds of money were not easy to come bye by anyone before the war. One thousand pounds, would be more than a graduate’s yearly salary.

And before the war, many of the Ibos, as it was with most of us, were either doing menial jobs or working as laborers or factory workers. Not too many people, as it has been pointed out, even had a bank account. This is the truth.

In that company where I worked, people who left for the East who did not defraud the company had their jobs restored to them when they came back. Those in managerial positions resumed at exactly where they left. Let us remember that during the war, we who were on the federal side had a portion of our salaries taken towards the war efforts.

Let us also remember that there were Ibos, quite a lot of them, who did not go back during the war. These people lived among us or were protected by us if they had any reason to fear for their life. We did all these because the Ibos were like family to us. We lived together and grew up together and went to school together.

These are some of the reasons why it is really painful to us to hear some Ibo people who might even not have been alive then to start disparaging us.

djevino:


So after almost 3 years they didn't give their position out to other people?

I believe you think you're talking to dummies lol

djevino:


So after almost 3 years they didn't give their position out to other people?
DaveDGreat
I believe you think you're talking to dummies lol

Obi1kenobi:


Were they going to carry it on their heads? There's little doubt the elites and middle class were wrecked after the war. The shortage of capital was one of the reasons the indigenization of foreign firms/industries worked overwhelmingly in favour of Yorubas immediately after the civil war: a massive gap which developed at the time that we've been trying to bridge ever since to some degree of success, but still ultimately falling short.
DaveDGreat
I'm not sure what the point of this thread is really. Those who couldn't prove they had deposits in banks before the war got nothing and had to start from scratch. My dad was an example. This group was the majority. The minority who could prove they did got £20. It would be silly in the extreme to believe this covered what they had lost.

Igbojew:
Which story is a lie you bloody liar.Ofcourse the story will be a lies because the perpetrator is your Lord Awolowo but let the perpetrator be an Igbo man you will people will believe it hook and sink like you people already believe this one Pa Adebanjo cooked that Igbos throw stone on the head of Awolowo in Abia state despite that the story sound funny.You Yorubas are indeed the problem of this country not actually Housa/Fulani people............ I am that Igbojew the table shaker

The post-war 'twenty-pound policy'

Soon after the end of the Nigeria-Biafra War, in June 1970, the Federal Government implemented a new policy that gave twenty Nigerian pounds (£20) to each adult Igbo who previously surrendered their money. This was applied irrespective of how much someone had saved in pre-war Nigeria. Similarly, any adult whose money in the banks was tampered with during the war forfeited everything, as he or she was deemed to have used such towards the prosecution of the civil war. Unfortunately, a lot of silence and half-truths abound about this policy, which Chief Awolowo pioneered and promoted.114 What was the real motive of this gesture, particularly in the context of a starved population and destroyed Igbo economy? Why was this necessary even within the framework of the federal governments 'no victor, no vanquished' declaration and rhetoric of reconciliation?115 How civilized, urbane, and desirable was this policy? What was it meant to achieve? What is known is that its implementation, following the devastating war experiences, was immensely destructive to so many families and persons, and damaged their capacities to recover from the effects of the war, let alone survive 'the peace'.

Ngozi123:
If you're feeling guilty, that's okay. If you're shocked that a people who had everything taken from them are now thriving more than most people in the country, that's also okay. Stop worrying about Igbos and focus on your own problems.



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