tctrills:

From the verses you quoted it is clear the the doctrine of rapture is not in the holy bible. May u receive truth for there is no salvation in falsehood.
The bible teaches that Christ is coming to earth. That's what the verses you quoted prove. Man will not rapture to heaven

1 Thessalonians 4:

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

My church Mountain of fire do

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Yes ooooooo....

Repent of your sins or you end up in Hell a place of torment and gnashing of teeth...

Only Jesus Christ is the way to Salvation...

I have been to different churches and i have discovered that most of them only preach prosperity and not salvation of your soul forgetting that we are supposed to seek first the kingdom of God and every
other things will be added unto us.....

Have you been to the Catholic Church Before?

lexy2014:


1 Thessalonians 4:

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

They would meet Christ on his way to earth in the clouds. The cloud is part of earth not heaven.

I pity people who believe in a pre-tribulation rapture

Egbeomorere:


please sir help a brother with little amount to eat the hunger is unbearable things are really tough please help me

Bro so sorry, I am not currently in the country. Making a transfer is not that easy.

staga:


If you are waiting for Christ to come back to explain it all to you in plain print, then you will wait forever.

See what Christ said in Matthew 13:

11 He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the [a]mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12 For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. [/b]14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says:

[b]‘Hearing you will hear and shall not understand,
And seeing you will see and not perceive;
15 For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their ears are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed,
Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I [b]should heal them.’

16 But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear; 17 for assuredly, I say to you that many prophets and righteous men desired to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.

See also the words of Christ in Matthew 24:

3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

4 And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for [a]all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, [b]pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9 [b]“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. [/b]10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13 [b]But he who endures to the end shall be saved. [/b]14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the [c]elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

23 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand.

Read this Wion TV report on verse 22: scientists have noticed that the days are getting shorter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2rUtp7g3ms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09x9eztzhAM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiTmcB_kuPc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tknlGfqHkY8

You cannot hide your head in the sand anymore.

No one is waiting for Christ to come back to explain what is already so clear. We are only begging you to stop adding pagan beliefs to Christianity

begood2GEJ:
Proudly a member of Assemblies of God where truth is preached no matter whose ox is gored.

EXACTLY THIS IS A SOLID TRUTH NO DOUBT.

tctrills:

They would meet Christ on his way to earth in the clouds.

Then what will happen next?

lexy2014:


Then what will happen next?

You have the bible sir. What did the bible say would happen next?
If you do not know then why add your own happy ending? As Christians we depend on revelation. We don't add what we think or imagine just to create an interesting story

ebubeson:
Does your church still preach hard truth such as rapture, restitution, great tribulation etc? Or are they still on motivational speaking?

It's a big shame that some christian believe in this rapture of a thing

tctrills:

You have the bible sir. What did the bible say would happen next?
If you do not know then why add your own happy ending? As Christians we depend on revelation. We don't add what we think or imagine just to create an interesting story

Don't you have a bible? Where did I add my own happy ending?

lexy2014:


Don't you have a bible?

We both have bible's what is your point?

larryUG:
I pity people who believe in a pre-tribulation rapture

They will be in for a surprise. I was one of them until I critically read Revelation 13-15 and saw the sequence of events.

tctrills:

We both have bible's what is your point?

I didn't ask you about "we". I asked you about "you". I haven't made any point I only asked you two simple questions...

1. What will happen next?

2. Don't you have a bible?

tctrills:

No one is waiting for Christ to come back to explain what is already so clear. We are only begging you to stop adding pagan beliefs to Christianity

What pagan stuff have I added here when I am quoting to you directly from the bible? How many bible verses have you brought to back up what you are saying? You are using your own words to back yourself up. Use scripture so we can all learn.

ebubeson post=1156853. 52:
Does your church still preach hard truth such as rapture, restitution, great tribulation etc? Or are they still on motivational speaking?

. Yes. Anglican churches always does that

lexy2014:


I didn't ask you about "we". I asked you about "you". I haven't made any point I only asked you two simple questions...

1. What will happen next?

2. Don't you have a bible?

Didn't you understand my answer? You don't need me to answer the question. Search for the answer in your bible.
The reason many Christians are fed false doctrines is that they are too lazy to learn for themselves. They want someone to search the scriptures on their behalf

Rosrozz:
Most churches don’t preach about rapture anymore, they are fully in the money making business

. ANGLICAN CHURCHES DOES IT ALWAYS.

staga:


What pagan stuff have I added here when I am quoting to you directly from the bible? How many bible verses have you brought to back up what you are saying? You are using your own words to back yourself up. Use scripture so we can all learn.

Sir did you read what you quoted? None of the verses you quoted states that the rightous would ascend from earth to heaven. Please read before sending.

tctrills:

They would meet Christ on his way to earth in the clouds. The cloud is part of earth not heaven.

Revelation 14:

17 Another angel came out of the temple in heaven, and he too had a sharp sickle. 18 Still another angel, who had charge of the fire, came from the altar and called in a loud voice to him who had the sharp sickle, “Take your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of grapes from the earth’s vine, because its grapes are ripe.” 19 The angel swung his sickle on the earth, gathered its grapes and threw them into the great winepress of God’s wrath. 20 They were trampled in the winepress outside the city, and blood flowed out of the press, rising as high as the horses’ bridles for a distance of 1,600 stadia.[c]

Rev 16:
16 Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, “Go, pour out the seven bowls of God’s wrath on the earth.”

2 The first angel went and poured out his bowl on the land, and ugly, festering sores broke out on the people who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image.

3 The second angel poured out his bowl on the sea, and it turned into blood like that of a dead person, and every living thing in the sea died.

4 The third angel poured out his bowl on the rivers and springs of water, and they became blood. 5 Then I heard the angel in charge of the waters say:

“You are just in these judgments, O Holy One,
you who are and who were;
6 for they have shed the blood of your holy people and your prophets,
and you have given them blood to drink as they deserve.”

7 And I heard the altar respond:

“Yes, Lord God Almighty,
true and just are your judgments.”

8 The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and the sun was allowed to scorch people with fire. 9 They were seared by the intense heat and they cursed the name of God, who had control over these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify him.

10 The fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and its kingdom was plunged into darkness. People gnawed their tongues in agony 11 and cursed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, but they refused to repent of what they had done.

12 The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the East. 13 Then I saw three impure spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are demonic spirits that perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty.

15 “Look, I come like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake and remains clothed, so as not to go naked and be shamefully exposed.”

16 Then they gathered the kings together to the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon.

17 The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and out of the temple came a loud voice from the throne, saying, “It is done!” 18 Then there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder and a severe earthquake. No earthquake like it has ever occurred since mankind has been on earth, so tremendous was the quake. 19 The great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed. God remembered Babylon the Great and gave her the cup filled with the wine of the fury of his wrath. 20 Every island fled away and the mountains could not be found. 21 From the sky huge hailstones, each weighing about a hundred pounds,[a] fell on people. And they cursed God on account of the plague of hail, because the plague was so terrible.

So where will Christians be when these horrors are unleashed on the earth? They will be on the earth? Go back and read the parable of the tares.

tctrills:

Didn't you understand my answer? You don't need me to answer the question. Search for the answer in your bible.
The reason many Christians are fed false doctrines is that they are too lazy to learn for themselves. They want someone to search the scriptures on their behalf

Since you aren't a lazy christian and you feel 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 isn't the rapture, then you shouldn't have any issues answering these questions...

1. What will happen next?

2. Don't you have a bible?

staga:


Revelation 14:

17 Another angel came out of the temple in heaven, and he too had a sharp sickle. 18 Still another angel, who had charge of the fire, came from the altar and called in a loud voice to him who had the sharp sickle, “Take your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of grapes from the earth’s vine, because its grapes are ripe.” 19 The angel swung his sickle on the earth, gathered its grapes and threw them into the great winepress of God’s wrath. 20 They were trampled in the winepress outside the city, and blood flowed out of the press, rising as high as the horses’ bridles for a distance of 1,600 stadia.[c]

Rev 16:
16 Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, “Go, pour out the seven bowls of God’s wrath on the earth.”

2 The first angel went and poured out his bowl on the land, and ugly, festering sores broke out on the people who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image.

3 The second angel poured out his bowl on the sea, and it turned into blood like that of a dead person, and every living thing in the sea died.

4 The third angel poured out his bowl on the rivers and springs of water, and they became blood. 5 Then I heard the angel in charge of the waters say:

“You are just in these judgments, O Holy One,
you who are and who were;
6 for they have shed the blood of your holy people and your prophets,
and you have given them blood to drink as they deserve.”

7 And I heard the altar respond:

“Yes, Lord God Almighty,
true and just are your judgments.”

8 The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and the sun was allowed to scorch people with fire. 9 They were seared by the intense heat and they cursed the name of God, who had control over these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify him.

10 The fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and its kingdom was plunged into darkness. People gnawed their tongues in agony 11 and cursed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, but they refused to repent of what they had done.

12 The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the East. 13 Then I saw three impure spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are demonic spirits that perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty.

15 “Look, I come like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake and remains clothed, so as not to go naked and be shamefully exposed.”

16 Then they gathered the kings together to the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon.

17 The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and out of the temple came a loud voice from the throne, saying, “It is done!” 18 Then there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder and a severe earthquake. No earthquake like it has ever occurred since mankind has been on earth, so tremendous was the quake. 19 The great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed. God remembered Babylon the Great and gave her the cup filled with the wine of the fury of his wrath. 20 Every island fled away and the mountains could not be found. 21 From the sky huge hailstones, each weighing about a hundred pounds,[a] fell on people. And they cursed God on account of the plague of hail, because the plague was so terrible.

So where will Christians be when these horrors are unleashed on the earth? They will be on the earth? Go back and read the parable of the tares.

Since Christ established his church, where have Christians been when so many horrors have occurred. Where did christians go during the world wars?
The parable of the tares, he would seperates the wheat from the tares and burn the tares with fire. What does that have to do with rapture?

tctrills:

Sir did you read what you quoted? None of the verses you quoted states that the rightous would ascend from earth to heaven. Please read before sending.

Christians would be taken away to meet Christ and from there to heaven. Only when the battle of Megiddo has been fought and the devil chained to the bottomless pit for a while will Christ come back with the saints to populate the earth for 1000 years.

Read your bible sir.

Obi is the rapture now, churches now preaches about Peter Obi, Jesus has been put in the church boat to sleep now.

staga:


They will be in for a surprise. I was one of them until I critically read Revelation 13-15 and saw the sequence of events.

Some still won't learn, and are always arguing blindly

lexy2014:


Since you aren't a lazy christian and you feel 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 isn't the rapture, then you shouldn't have any issues answering these questions...

1. What will happen next?

2. Don't you have a bible?

Thessalonians 4.14-17 states that Christ would be met in the clouds. The last I checked, the clouds are part of the earth. Planes fly beyond the clouds.
If you seek to know what happens next, why don't you keep reading your bible. At least you found Thessalonians 4 in your bible so have faith you would find what happens next. Just don't add your own thoughts or non Christian beliefs.

staga:


Christians would be taken away to meet Christ and from there to heaven. Only when the battle of Megiddo has been fought and the devil chained to the bottomless pit for a while will Christ come back with the saints to populate the earth for 1000 years.

Read your bible sir.

Which verse says so

Religion is a big time real scam. Nigeria pastors know of this fact, that is hy they are openly lying on the pulpit to lure gullible folks into their busines empire. The very big GOs are masterly in this very scam. Today, they will be boasting they are the richest in the world because Nigeria churches are full of idiots (some members) who can't reason logically and have turned themselves to raw materials for money making.

tctrills:
Thessalonians 4.14-17 states that Christ would be met in the clouds. The last I checked, the clouds are part of the earth. Planes fly beyond the clouds.
If you seek to know what happens next, why don't you keep reading your bible. At least you found Thessalonians 4 in your bible so have faith you would find what happens next. Just don't add your own thoughts or non Christian beliefs.

Still doesn't answer my questions.


1. What will happen next?

2. Don't you have a bible?

tctrills:

Since Christ established his church, where have Christians been when so many horrors have occurred. Where did christians go during the world wars?
The parable of the tares, he would seperates the wheat from the tares and burn the tares with fire. What does that have to do with rapture?

My brother, Rapture itself will happen... even Jesus himself said it in Matthew 24.

1. Great Tribulation
2. Rapture of believers
3. Wrath of God on Antichrist and those who receive his mark