hensben:
Then Rice it should be.

Rice can even play as a defender when we have injury or covid problem if it is still around. That should be our major target next year. A strong dm will make us go back to a back four and bring more productive work from the other two midfielders. He is not very fast but he will cover it with his defending.

hensben:
Even pep have suffered from thin DM mostly in ucl, there is a reason he has two ucl from messi team only. I like Madrid style of football, an open play football but players are doing their role properly.

The fact Pep achieved his career high level of consistency using a robust DM like Fernandinho should give proponents of "you don't need robust DM" food for thought.

Peps most inconsistent spell was as manager of Bayern using Alonso as DM, and was characterised by several disgraces with cricket scorelines in the tough matches. Like you say, he suffered from thin DM in UCL, the Alonso years being the most prominent of those.

At Barca, Pep still called on a great DM/CM in Seydou Keita whenever things got physical and he still had Toure in the first year, had the best possession midfielder of all time in Xavi and teams were worried about Messi so much, they dared not cross the halfway line

Leave them to be thinking Chelsea should build a midfield of fairies without taking these facts into cognisance.

WhoDeyHause:

If our scouts don't spend most of their time eating point and kill and drinking beer they would have identified similar player like him that we could have gotten for smaller money. I liked his driving the ball and hoped he wouldn't make them win in that match.

we have one of the worst scout in history of football in fact I don't think we have a scout, people that have no alternative is that one scout ?, that's why I am praying for that former Liverpool sporting director to accept our proposal as for de jong he is the missing link to our midfield

WhoDeyHause:

You have always been attacking us. You also have been calling Klopp the best coach in premier league while spending too even though you accuse others of spending heavily. Only one premier league title for a manager like him is poor if we want to say the truth.

Are you mistaking me for someone else,Well,if GENERAL COOKING dey and your team is being cooked or bantered,you no expect make I no partake na

No worry about us shogbo,the truth was Klopp was just two matches away from doing a QUADRUPLE which no other team was ever close to doing, setting record of playing all the matches available in a season

I will keep saying this,capaldi does not know football. I mean anybody who knows football will not come here and use that stats to defend Jorginho's forward passes as against other DM. Jorginho forward passes are faux. I wish I could be blessed with a visual representation of what i mean by this and how it has become the trademark of jorginho stupid forward passes. What Jorginho does is to allows our opponents recover into their own half,then give his teammates who is slightly ahead of him the pass as oppose to finding his teammates on the run or in between our opponents.

popizaino:
I will keep saying this,capaldi does not know football. I mean anybody who knows football will not come here and use that stats to defend Jorginho's forward passes as against other DM. Jorginho forward passes are faux. I wish I could be blessed with a visual representation of what i mean by this and how it has become the trademark of jorginho stupid forward passes. What Jorginho does is to allows our opponents recover into their own half,then give his teammates who is slightly ahead of him the pass as oppose to finding his teammates on the run or in between our opponents.

You mean Jogginghoe is good at the 5 yard 'forward pass" when the opponent is already back in position

popizaino:
I will keep saying this,capaldi does not know football. I mean anybody who knows football will not come here and use that stats to defend Jorginho's forward passes as against other DM. Jorginho forward passes are faux. I wish I could be blessed with a visual representation of what i mean by this and how it has become the trademark of jorginho stupid forward passes. What Jorginho does is to allows our opponents recover into their own half,then give his teammates who is slightly ahead of him the pass as oppose to finding his teammates on the run or in between our opponents.

You are typing Epistles. Show me a Dm In the whole of England who creates more big chances than Jorginho.

Ibime:



Robust DM always win league except Pep team. Even under Pep, their best wins with 99 points and 100 points came under a robust DM in Fernandinho, much better than the "non-robust" tally under Rodri.

Very few can be Pep, and Chelsea fans should stop trying to be a poor version of Pep. The "if it works for Pep, we should emulate it" theory never works in practice. You end up becoming a poor man's version like a Villarreal. That's what landed us with likes of Jogginghoe. It even took a robust DM like Fernandinho to improve Pep to a points tally he has never achieved before, which means even if you want to emulate Pep, robust DM is still optimal. And Rodri is not completely non robust. While he will always lose the foot races, he will always win the headers and physical duels, and has long legs to slide and stop a foot race from developing, meaning opportunity to harm City back line is halved just on his height and strength alone, which Jogginghoe doesn't possess.

I dont use pep as a measure.. we dont need to be pep . We all need to be the best versions of us.hence Liverpool !! Shea Tottenham have robust dms plus bentacur and conte still uses 3 at the back. I hope he wins the league with robust dms or we will talk about it later.
Back to chels, we cannot play possession footy with kante , neither can we play a high line with silva. It is what it is.

Ibime:


The fact Pep achieved his career high level of consistency using a robust DM like Fernandinho should give proponents of "you don't need robust DM" food for thought.

Peps most inconsistent spell was as manager of Bayern using Alonso as DM, and was characterised by several disgraces with cricket scorelines in the tough matches. Like you say, he suffered from thin DM in UCL, the Alonso years being the most prominent of those. His only UCL success came against a fellow thin DM of Carrick and Scholes.

At Barca, Pep still called on a great DM/CM in Seydou Keita whenever things got physical and he still had Toure in the first year, had the best possession midfielder of all time in Xavi and teams were worried about Messi so much, they dared not cross the halfway line

Leave them to be thinking Chelsea should build a midfield of fairies without taking these facts into cognisance.

Football is not one way,fact still remains that this thin DMs aside Jorginho who is neither thin or robust are the ideal DM for most teams. You cannot dismiss Alonso's masterclass with whatever happened in some matches, if not i will be quick to remind you to tell us what others achieved in the UCL with robust Fernandinho. The robust DMs or what have you are not the standard or S.I units of the base of the midfield.

Ibime:


You mean Jogginghoe is good at the 5 yard 'forward pass" when the opponent is already back in position

This is what i wanted to say in simple terms. Thanks.

Ballzproblemm:
we have one of the worst scout in history of football in fact I don't think we have a scout, people that have no alternative is that one scout ?, that's why I am praying for that former Liverpool sporting director to accept our proposal as for de jong he is the missing link to our midfield

Im not sure he is the missing link to our midfield even though he will make it stronger. I think a good creative midfielder that can be giving good through ball and defence breaking passes very well is it. Someone we have not seen since fabregas since the person we brought to do that is now looking for somebody to do it for him so he will score.

hensben:
We should go all out for Casemiro next season instead of rice.

Sorry but , are you okay , wishing casemiro on chels

Capaldi:

You are typing Epistles. Show me a Dm In the whole of England who creates more big chances than Jorginho.

Let assume I am a midfielder and you are an attacker, will you want me to give you the ball while you are the run or while you are stationary with your two foot glued to the ground ?

popizaino:





Let assume I am a midfielder and you are an attacker, will you want me to give you the ball while you are the run or while you are stationary with your two foot glued to the ground ?

Please don't give me more Epistles and just list those Dm's who creates more big chances than Jorginho.

Ibime:


These two statements are very much in line with each other except you have a low IQ

Jogginghoe is not a killer DM and 3 ATB is protecting his deficiencies

With a killer DM, you can move to 4 ATB with more confidence

when you are found out, you sneak in iq talks, lmao..


Since Jorginho is not a killer DM, how is 3 ATB protecting him , when kante can simply step up the role. Or rlc.. then we bin him. One man is not bigger than a club.

When tuchel said his players has the profile for 3 at the back, he didn’t mention Jorginho as his problem..

If not, he won’t be chasing defenders all over the place as priority..

Capaldi:

Please don't give me more Epistles and just list those Dm's who creates more big chances than Jorginho.

You cannot be creating the most chances like Jorginho and be missing in assists or second man assists list even if your striker were missing chances like Werner,Jorginho chances creation are faux.


Now answer my previous question,i really want to know where you stand.

Its only here we hear myths, fables and midnight tales lumped together just to underrate a player. No Dm in England creates more big chances than Jorginho. Jorginho ranks within the top 5% of midfielders for ‘passes into the final third’, the top 7% of ‘passes into the penalty area’ and the top 4% on through-balls. I will never waste my time here arguing something so pointless.

Ibime:



Robust DM always win league except Pep team. Even under Pep, their best wins with 99 points and 100 points came under a robust DM in Fernandinho, much better than the "non-robust" tally under Rodri.

Very few can be Pep, and Chelsea fans should stop trying to be a poor version of Pep. The "if it works for Pep, we should emulate it" theory never works in practice. You end up becoming a poor man's version like a Villarreal. That's what landed us with likes of Jogginghoe. It even took a robust DM like Fernandinho to improve Pep to a points tally he has never achieved before, which means even if you want to emulate Pep, robust DM is still optimal. And Rodri is not completely non robust. While he will always lose the foot races, he will always win the headers and physical duels, and has long legs to slide and stop a foot race from developing, meaning opportunity to harm City back line is halved just on his height and strength alone, which Jogginghoe doesn't possess.

you just dy type..


The robust DM that won in liecester is it kante or drink water..

Who was sitting for the other.

dostr4:

Sorry but , are you okay , wishing casemiro on chels

Did makelele not come to us then. Casemiro might want new challenge, but getting rice is fine too since we are an English club in epl.

popizaino:



You cannot be creating the most chances like Jorginho and be missing in assists or second man assists list even if your striker were missing chances like Werner,Jorginho chances creation are faux.


Now answer my previous question,i really want to know where you stand.

can you bring the list of second man assist for the players in the premier league last season


I want to check something.

Ibime:


The fact Pep achieved his career high level of consistency using a robust DM like Fernandinho should give proponents of "you don't need robust DM" food for thought.

Peps most inconsistent spell was as manager of Bayern using Alonso as DM, and was characterised by several disgraces with cricket scorelines in the tough matches. Like you say, he suffered from thin DM in UCL, the Alonso years being the most prominent of those.

At Barca, Pep still called on a great DM/CM in Seydou Keita whenever things got physical and he still had Toure in the first year, had the best possession midfielder of all time in Xavi and teams were worried about Messi so much, they dared not cross the halfway line

Leave them to be thinking Chelsea should build a midfield of fairies without taking these facts into cognisance.

You actually watch football and do proper eye test while watching with this your observation and submission. Kudos.

There is this Juventus midfield gem we should be looking at Nicolo Rovella. He was on loan last season at Genoa and was so good. Still need to improve tho.

WhoDeyHause:

Rice can even play as a defender when we have injury or covid problem if it is still around. That should be our major target next year. A strong dm will make us go back to a back four and bring more productive work from the other two midfielders. He is not very fast but he will cover it with his defending.

Rice is good, he has this Henderson characteristics in him which i like. I’ve realized we don’t need to pass too much in midfield to win games and Rice can anchor that DM properly with his tackles and drive.

Chelsea's 1st verbal offer of €14m (£11.8m) for Aubameyang has been turned down by Barcelona, who will only accept above €20m (£16.9m)...

~ @albert_roge

WhoDeyHause:
Chelsea's 1st verbal offer of €14m (£11.8m) for Aubameyang has been turned down by Barcelona, who will only accept above €20m (£16.9m)...

~ @albert_roge

Barca and their initial gra gra. I remember when I suggested we go for Aubameyang instead of Lukaku since we were unable to get Halaand, who say make I talk am here, now we are going for same player at old age. Well, let’s hope he turn out to be useful and good like Giroud.

Ibime:


The fact Pep achieved his career high level of consistency using a robust DM like Fernandinho should give proponents of "you don't need robust DM" food for thought.

Peps most inconsistent spell was as manager of Bayern using Alonso as DM, and was characterised by several disgraces with cricket scorelines in the tough matches. Like you say, he suffered from thin DM in UCL, the Alonso years being the most prominent of those.

At Barca, Pep still called on a great DM/CM in Seydou Keita whenever things got physical and he still had Toure in the first year, had the best possession midfielder of all time in Xavi and teams were worried about Messi so much, they dared not cross the halfway line

Leave them to be thinking Chelsea should build a midfield of fairies without taking these facts into cognisance.

the same robust fernandiho achieved what in ucl ?

popizaino:





Let assume I am a midfielder and you are an attacker, will you want me to give you the ball while you are the run or while you are stationary with your two foot glued to the ground ?

you have everything in the head. With nothing to back it up..

lordfalcao:
the same robust fernandiho achieved what in ucl ?

We are talking about consistency here, but as usual, you had to bring in low IQ talks to.talk about knockout football

Pep with Fernandinho achieved 99 and 100 points which he has never achieved with any other DM. That's the most consistent Pep has ever been in football.

And if you want to talk about UCL, Pep has only won UCL with Busquets, the master of the 8-2, 7-3, 5-0 and other similar cricket scorelines

WhoDeyHause:
Chelsea's 1st verbal offer of €14m (£11.8m) for Aubameyang has been turned down by Barcelona, who will only accept above €20m (£16.9m)...

~ @albert_roge

Tuchel out!

Someone Arsenal paid £5m to leave their club 7 months ago

Tuchel must really hate Havertz sha to stoop this low

Even wen we had rudiger nd chris they were a disaster in a back 4.

dostr4:
Even wen we had rudiger nd chris they were a disaster in a back 4.

True, but they also had Jogginghoe and Alonso to accompany them

hensben:
Did makelele not come to us then. Casemiro might want new challenge, but getting rice is fine too since we are an English club in epl.

Casemiro is prone to injuries now, with the emergency of camarvinga with cross a sitting dm