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Re: Salman Rushdie, Author Of "The Satanic Verses" Attacked, Condition Unknown by Elidrisy20: 8:50pm On Aug 14, 2022 |
aribisala0:you that read it, what did the Quran says about Muhammad? |
Re: Salman Rushdie, Author Of "The Satanic Verses" Attacked, Condition Unknown by Ibkhaleel: 11:15pm On Aug 14, 2022 |
aribisala0: Common sense: The Quran tells you that the Quran came to restore the original message and remind (Dhikr) you of the original message and it explicitly told you that the previous scriptures are corrupted. So what does that mean? That means the Quran contains the message of those prophets in this book. It restored the message. This verse here is clear that you cannot disbelieve in Allah and his messengers as per Quran and say we believe some parts of the Quran and disbelieve in others. In fact that is what Jews and Christians do when they debate. They both share scripture, but they say I believe in this and I don't believe in that.. You deny Jesus when you do not follow His teachings, such as He is the only way to the Father and salvation. You deny Jesus when you do not make Him the center of your life. Jesus of Nazareth is the Jewish Messiah foretold thousands of years before His arrival (see here) by numerous Prophets of God. Jesus led a sinless life. And only Jesus, the Son of the Father is the awaited Christ and mediator between you and the Father. Are we who is denying his teachings or are you, the one who is following a corrupted scripture. Jesus is NOT and will never be the center of my life. Allah is and will forever be. Jesus himself glorified God. That means he wants you to glorify God, not Jesus. Would GOD Almighty validate falsehood? Yes. In 2 Samuel 12:7-12, GOD validated and commanded open pornography between David's wives and all men in town in broad day light. See many other examples of GOD Almighty validating and commanding lies in the Bibles. A plethora of Prophecies in OT and NT that speak about this Prophet to be a Gentile, and will come from the Southern Lands, and from the Lands of Kedar and Teman (all in Saudi Arabia), and the House of GOD will be established in the deserts of Kedar. 1 Like |
Re: Salman Rushdie, Author Of "The Satanic Verses" Attacked, Condition Unknown by aribisala0(m): 11:21pm On Aug 14, 2022 |
Ibkhaleel:I am not a Christian Tell us what the Quran means or refers to as Injil or Torah |
Re: Salman Rushdie, Author Of "The Satanic Verses" Attacked, Condition Unknown by Ibkhaleel: 11:26pm On Aug 14, 2022 |
aribisala0:Was Moses or Muhammad Kinder to Jews ? Both Prophets allowed Jews to return to Israel after being exiled by pagans. Both Prophets protected Jews from neighboring pagans Both Prophets devoted their final days to the enlightenment of the Jews Although only one of these Prophets displayed tolerance, mercy, and love for the Jews, Muhammad. Once a Jew came to him and out of mischief, greeted him by saying "As-sam Alaikum" (death to you) instead of As-salamu Alaikum (peace be on you). A'isha with anger, gave a harsh reply. But he stopped her and said, "A'isha! Don’t use harsh words; be polite; God likes mildness in everything." In short, Muhammad was a perfect model of tolerance and love which he taught through his practical example to the rugged, rough and illiterate people of the desert who, as a result, became the teachers and leaders of the world. His behavior towards people, men or women, rich or poor, adult or child, was the same. He spoke to all with civility and politeness and taught others the same through his personal example. The Qur'an mentions this quality of Muhammad in these words, "It is by the Mercy of God that you deal gently with them, for if you were severe or fierce of heart, they would have dispersed from you." [Qur'aan 3:159] The Jews in the days of Muhammad often attempted to assassinate him, discredit him, curse him, and defame him, all the while Prophet Muhammad showed Jews love and mercy. While on the other hand, Jews who so much as questioned Prophet Moses, were murdered; 250 Levite princesses; of the Jews who challenged the leadership of Moses. "their wives, sons and little children were swallowed up by the ground", then sent a fire to consume the remaining princes. Num. 16:1-40 then another 14,700; Israeli protesters killed by plague who object to Moses about the prior killing of the 250 Jewish princesses. Num 16:41-49. More of Mose's murderous cruelty towards the Jews here More of Muhammad's love and mercy towards the Jews here In conclusion, Muhammad by far was the much more loving and merciful Prophet to the Jews. |
Re: Salman Rushdie, Author Of "The Satanic Verses" Attacked, Condition Unknown by Ibkhaleel: 11:39pm On Aug 14, 2022 |
aribisala0:Far from being the pure word of God, the Torah that we have today has in fact been tampered with by man. The Old Testament we have today is a collection of books consisting of the Law, stories of the Prophets and various other writings such as the Psalms. The Hebrew word ‘Torah’ literally means instruction or teaching. It is used by Jews and Christians to refer to the first five books of the Old Testament (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy). They believe these were dictated to Moses by God Almighty. The first problem we must deal with when discussing the Torah is the fact that there are many different versions being used today by Jews and Christians. Here are some examples of texts that contain different versions of the Torah. They are listed in order of oldest surviving manuscript evidence [1]: Dead Sea Scrolls (DSS) – These are a collection of texts discovered between 1946 and 1956 inside caves near the Dead Sea. The texts are of great religious significance because they include the earliest known surviving manuscripts of the Old Testament but many are fragmentary. The scrolls date from approximately 150 BCE – 70 CE. Septuagint (LXX) – This is the primary Greek translation of the Old Testament. It was completed by Jewish scholars in the late 2nd century BCE and the oldest manuscript evidence is the 2nd century BCE. Relatively complete manuscripts of the LXX include the Codex Vaticanus and the Codex Sinaiticus of the 4th century CE. These are the oldest surviving nearly-complete manuscripts of the Old Testament in any language. Masoretic Text (MT) – This is the authoritative Hebrew text of the Old Testament. The oldest extant manuscripts date from around the 9th century CE. This version is favoured by mainstream Judaism. Samaritan Torah (ST) – This is the Samaritan version of the Torah written in the Samaritan alphabet which is derived from the paleo-Hebrew alphabet used by the Israelite community prior to the Babylonian captivity. The Samaritans represent a sect of Judaism that split off from the mainstream. There are still a few hundred Samaritans living in modern-day Israel. The oldest extant manuscripts date from around the 11th century CE. The reason why these are classified as different versions, as opposed to different translations, is because there are many thousands of variations that exist between these texts. So how can scholars identify the version of the Torah that is closest to the original Torah given to Moses? Unfortunately no one knows with certainty which version is the closest to the original Torah given to Moses. The proof of this is the way in which scholars of the Bible construct modern translations. Every modern translation of the Bible is essentially an eclectic translation because it combines from the different versions of the Torah. Sometimes scholars go with manuscripts of the MT, sometimes the LXX and sometimes the ST. By borrowing from the different manuscripts they are essentially creating a new Torah that never existed before! in many places in the bible Clearly, a third person such as a scribe or chronicler wrote these accounts, and not Moses himself. If Moses had been the writer then we would see the first person narrative being used. From this we get series of thing the people of the book did. 1. They Changed it. 2. They Altered it 3. They wrote a book and claimed it is from Allah. |
Re: Salman Rushdie, Author Of "The Satanic Verses" Attacked, Condition Unknown by aribisala0(m): 11:50pm On Aug 14, 2022 |
Ibkhaleel:I really do not read all this rubbish because I see you do not use your brain. You just vomit There is no word of God any where , Not the Torah Not the Gospel not the Quran They are all man made The Quran just is the latest lie. The most recent just like you have with Iphone we are now at 12 13 etc All those stories are for Arabs and Jews . Nothing to do with Black people but many have been brainwashed |
Re: Salman Rushdie, Author Of "The Satanic Verses" Attacked, Condition Unknown by Spandau: 1:26am On Aug 15, 2022 |
Ibkhaleel: Your Allah and the Christian Yahweh are not the same. Handle your religion differently from the Bible. 1 Like |
Re: Salman Rushdie, Author Of "The Satanic Verses" Attacked, Condition Unknown by Spandau: 1:29am On Aug 15, 2022 |
Ibkhaleel: The guy asked you about Torah, you are selling Muhammadu to him. Are you this slow? Model of Peace and tolerance my arse. What a grand lie! 1 Like |
Re: Salman Rushdie, Author Of "The Satanic Verses" Attacked, Condition Unknown by Spandau: 1:39am On Aug 15, 2022 |
Ibkhaleel: Dude, you're sick. Since you are fond of quoting the Bible. Show us were in the Old and New testaments of the Bible where a gentile prophet was promised. This is part of what we are saying. You must obsess about the Bible. You must seek to use it to validate a religion founded by a criminal over 600 yrs after the last Apostle exited the earth. Can't you just practice your religion without making false references to the Bible? Just show us those places in the Bible. Don't copy and paste some article from one Islamic journal and be making a fool of yourself here. 1 Like |
Re: Salman Rushdie, Author Of "The Satanic Verses" Attacked, Condition Unknown by Ibkhaleel: 8:08am On Aug 15, 2022 |
aribisala0:The truth sounds like rubbish to a deaf dumb and blind fellow like you.. You are getting more than you've asked for... You think you are smart? Dodging mine and insisting on yours! Lol i have dealt with your types long ago... I didn't even start yet... I must expose and disgrace you hellbound creature |
Re: Salman Rushdie, Author Of "The Satanic Verses" Attacked, Condition Unknown by Ibkhaleel: 8:14am On Aug 15, 2022 |
aribisala0:The word Gospel (al-Injil) occurs twelve times in the Qur'ān. In these verses, the Qur'an claims that Allah revealed the Torah and the Gospel, and the Qur'ān was revealed to confirm that which was (revealed) before it. The people of the Gospel have to judge by what Allāh has revealed in it, if they do not, they are not better than those who are transgressors. Dont get too excited....Again, in the same chapter, al-Mä'idah, the Qur'anic verses criticize Jews and Christians for not having observed the Torah and the Gospel. If they do not observe the Torah, the Gospel and what was revealed unto Muhammad, they have naught of guidance." Claiming that Muhammad is mentioned in the Torah and in the Gospel," the Qur'ān recounts Jesus saying that he is the messenger who gives the good news of a messenger to come after him, whose name will be Ahmad (the Praised One)." The Qur'an also reads that there are some common messages between the Qur ān and the Torah, and between the Qur'ān and the Gospel." The Qur'anic verses in which the words the Torah and the Gospel occur have nothing to do with the issue of the corniption (tahrīf) of the Bible. The Qur'ān, however, contains many verses in terms of the People of the Scripture, i.e., Jews and Christians and it is necessary that one slhould look over these verses in order to understand the Qur'anic idea on the corruption of the Bible properly. Qur'anic Verses for the Corruption (Tabrf) Of the Bible In addition te the vey word "corruption" (talurīf), there are some other words and expressions in the Qur'ān that can be associated with the issue of the coITuption of the Bible, such as "change" (tabdil), to distort the words with tongues (layy), to conceal the truth (kitmän). to forget or neglect pait of book (nisyān), to scll revelations (āyāt) of Allāh for a miserable price, to write Scripture with their hands". The gospel is described as Tahrif (Corruption) Derived fiom the root "harf" (which meatıs to tip, limit, edge), the word "corruption" (tahrif) literally means "to give a meaning for something which may be interpreted in two ways"" "to change meaning of a word or distort I hope you are cleared of your doubt? You follow only conjecture.... |
Re: Salman Rushdie, Author Of "The Satanic Verses" Attacked, Condition Unknown by Ibkhaleel: 8:19am On Aug 15, 2022 |
aribisala0:Torah has been corrupted: “Do you (faithful believers) covet that they will belive in your religion in spite of the fact that a party of them (Jewish rabbis) used to hear the Word of Allaah (the Tawraat), then they used to change it knowingly after they understood it?” [al-Baqarah 2:75] So it becomes quite clear that the ways in which the Children of Israel tampered with the Tawraat and Injeel include the following: Changing Omitting Adding things and attributing to Allaah words that He did not say Misinterpreting the words of Allaah. When Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was sent, the original Tawraat and Injeel had already been altered and distorted. Allaah revealed the Qur’aan to His Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and guaranteed that He Himself would preserve it, as He says (interpretation of the meaning): “Verily We: it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e., the Qur’aan) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption).” [al-Hijr 15:9] This distinguishing feature was not found in any Book before the Qur’aan. From the time of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) until the present (more than fourteen hundred years) the Qur’aan has stayed the same, and not a single letter of it has been changed, as ancient manuscripts and the hearts of generation after generation of people who have memorized the entire text and earned the title of “haafiz” bear witness. "How can you say, ‘We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD,’ when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?" Jeremiah 8:8 |
Re: Salman Rushdie, Author Of "The Satanic Verses" Attacked, Condition Unknown by aribisala0(m): 8:20am On Aug 15, 2022 |
Ibkhaleel:You are a perfect ambassador for Islam ; aggressive , violent and fanatical. No surprises Muhammid copied all the stuff in the Quran from Christian and Jewish sources. Of Course as black Africans we know that the Jewish and Christian sources are Man made so the Quran itself too is fictional The question I have for funny people like you is simple Black Africans have been on this planet for tens of thousands of years before Mohammed Jesus and all those so called Messengers in the Middle East . Did Your Allah not send anyone to black People?? Let us examine Sura 14. 4 Can you explain Sura 14. 4 And We never sent a messenger save with the language of his folk, that he might make (the message) clear for them. Then Allah sendeth whom He will astray, and guideth whom He will. He is the Mighty, the Wise So why are black Africans speaking Arabic like parrots? They cannot worship God unless they speak Arabic that they do not understand? |
Re: Salman Rushdie, Author Of "The Satanic Verses" Attacked, Condition Unknown by Ibkhaleel: 8:23am On Aug 15, 2022 |
aribisala0:Lol shameless goat... Why running away from the topic... It is a typical sign of disbelief I'll handle you wella...dnt worry |
Re: Salman Rushdie, Author Of "The Satanic Verses" Attacked, Condition Unknown by Ibkhaleel: 8:25am On Aug 15, 2022 |
aribisala0:What language did Jesus and Moses really speak during their ministry? |
Re: Salman Rushdie, Author Of "The Satanic Verses" Attacked, Condition Unknown by aribisala0(m): 8:26am On Aug 15, 2022 |
Ibkhaleel:So Allah never sent any person speaking Yoruba or Igbo? Black people were on this planet for thousands of years and Allah totally abandoned them until Muhammid was born? Yes or no OR Did Allah send anyone to Yorubas before the birth of Muhammid |
Re: Salman Rushdie, Author Of "The Satanic Verses" Attacked, Condition Unknown by aribisala0(m): 8:29am On Aug 15, 2022 |
Ibkhaleel:I do not believe in them either. I am not a Christian or a Jew So why ask me stupid questions I see you are programmed to attack them by default I am talking to you about Islam and Muhammid which is based on the previous lies of Judaism and CHristianity that he copied |
Re: Salman Rushdie, Author Of "The Satanic Verses" Attacked, Condition Unknown by Ibkhaleel: 8:30am On Aug 15, 2022 |
aribisala0:The Bible claims that the Jews are GOD's "Chosen People". Yet, neither Moses nor Jesus nor several other Prophets liked the Jews! Judaism my foot |
Re: Salman Rushdie, Author Of "The Satanic Verses" Attacked, Condition Unknown by Ibkhaleel: 8:33am On Aug 15, 2022 |
aribisala0:You running away and lying not been a Chrstian will not stop me from disgracing you today ...... In your fabricated bible...it reads "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 23:37)" The Jews were corrupt! They corrupted the Word of GOD Almighty. Like Jeremiah 8:8, the Noble Quran clearly states it: "But on account of their breaking their covenant We cursed them (Jews and Christians) and made their hearts hard; they altered the words from their places and they neglected a portion of what they were reminded of; and you shall always discover treachery in them excepting a few of them; so pardon them and turn away; surely Allah loves those who do good (to others). (The Noble Quran, 5:13)" No race, color or gender are chosen by GOD Almighty in Islam. Everyone is evaluated by his Good Deeds. Allah Almighty Said in the Noble Quran: "O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other. Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well-acquainted. (The Noble Quran, 49:13)" Arabic is a universal language... nowhere does the quran say An arab is superior to a black or his language is not acceptable... |
Re: Salman Rushdie, Author Of "The Satanic Verses" Attacked, Condition Unknown by aribisala0(m): 8:35am On Aug 15, 2022 |
Ibkhaleel:Egusi soup is prepared with Esusi soup and Ugwu leaves I am talking about Islam Muhamid Did he marry a child ? Why Did Allah send anyone to Black people? Engage with that and stop talking about Christians Your only defence of Islam is to attack Jews and Christians That won't work here because I believe they are all fiction Do you see how weak Islam is . It cannot be defended without violence It cannot be defended by civilized discourse 1 Like |
Re: Salman Rushdie, Author Of "The Satanic Verses" Attacked, Condition Unknown by aribisala0(m): 8:37am On Aug 15, 2022 |
Ibkhaleel:See how weak Islam is ? The only defence of Islam is to attack Christians and if I am not a Christian you force me to be one Talk about Islam Why did Muhammid marry a child and the force his son to divorce his wife so he could marry her This is Sura 14.4 And We never sent a messenger save with the language of his folk, that he might make (the message) clear for them. Then Allah sendeth whom He will astray, and guideth whom He will. He is the Mighty, the Wise So who did Allah send with Yoruba language or Igbo language |
Re: Salman Rushdie, Author Of "The Satanic Verses" Attacked, Condition Unknown by Ibkhaleel: 8:39am On Aug 15, 2022 |
aribisala0: Bible condones 3-year old girls were raped under the command of Moses and his men: "Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that has known a man by sleeping with him. (Number 31:17). [This] refers to her who has slept with a man as well as her who is suitable for intercourse, even when she has not slept with a man... But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves. From here R. Shimon b. Yohai used to say: a Proselyte girl who became a proselyte in the age of less than three years and one day, is rendered fit to marry into the priesthood." Little wonder why we hear from the media about Priests that are in involved with Pedophilic acts. However, from where these Priests inspire to do such acts? The answer is that they inspire from Bible. Actually, Pedophilia was born from this book of perversion. Let us see some passages that clearly support Pedophilia and Rape of preteen girls So when we hear from the media, Priests(Christians and Jews-majority of Christians) that rape and molest young preteen boys and girls, we must not be surprised because these are the teachings from their “Holy Book” the Bible, as clearly demonstrated from the Verses : Numbers 31: 25-40. Let's discuss the age of Aisha being.9 when she married our Prophet in Islam! First of all, it is important to know: Aisha's parents were the ones who married her to our Prophet, and that no Muslim or even pagan objected to the marriage because it was widely practiced. And even until today in 3rd world countries (Muslims (lsaiah 56:5: Muslim is the future believers' name. Sons and daughters titles will be "no more" and non-Muslims), little girls as young as 9 or 10 do get married. |
Re: Salman Rushdie, Author Of "The Satanic Verses" Attacked, Condition Unknown by aribisala0(m): 8:41am On Aug 15, 2022 |
Ibkhaleel:You claim to be a Muslim Please tell us where these words come from O Children of Israel! Remember ˹all˺ the favours I granted you and how I honoured you above the others |
Re: Salman Rushdie, Author Of "The Satanic Verses" Attacked, Condition Unknown by Ibkhaleel: 8:42am On Aug 15, 2022 |
aribisala0:The fact that your own Biblical Prophets married 100s of wives each and fathers used to sell their daughters as slave girls to other men without any age limit makes it extremely possible and probable that several if not many of these wives were little girls between 9 to 13, while the Prophets were MUCH MUCH OLDER than them. If his own grandmother who exited THOUSANDS of years later still married at 12, then what makes it impossible for girls during Biblical times to have married way much older men than them when they were little ones? Since there is no age limit for the girl to be sold by her own father as a slave girl to another man, WH0 CAN HAVE SEX WITH HER, then I want to ask you here: Aren't you a total hypocrite for denying that little girls were sold off and married off during biblical times at very young age to much much older men (as I proved in Exodus 21:9 above), while making fierce charges against Islam on Aisha's age? How old was mary the mother of jesus when she gave birth to him? |
Re: Salman Rushdie, Author Of "The Satanic Verses" Attacked, Condition Unknown by aribisala0(m): 8:44am On Aug 15, 2022 |
Ibkhaleel:SO in short Muhammid was inspired by the Bible? Well I do not subscribe to the bible which Muhammid copied Clearly you do not have the intellectual capacity to defend Islam and the only thing you are programmed to do is to attack the bible |
Re: Salman Rushdie, Author Of "The Satanic Verses" Attacked, Condition Unknown by Ibkhaleel: 8:46am On Aug 15, 2022 |
aribisala0:You'll see shege today... Kill everything that "breathes" from humans and animals! Deuteronomy 20:16 However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. It is certainly the your Bible's principle and foundation to kill all humans and animals from the enemy's side. If one wouldn't call that terrorism, war crimes and mass-murdering, then what else should you call it? |
Re: Salman Rushdie, Author Of "The Satanic Verses" Attacked, Condition Unknown by aribisala0(m): 8:46am On Aug 15, 2022 |
Ibkhaleel:So marrying a 9 year old girl is a Third world issue and not a commandment from Allah? I thought Allah commanded Muslims to marry 9 year old girls Is it not a sign of the intellectual poverty and depravity of Islam that Paradise is conceptualized in terms of virgins? |
Re: Salman Rushdie, Author Of "The Satanic Verses" Attacked, Condition Unknown by Ibkhaleel: 8:47am On Aug 15, 2022 |
aribisala0:You'll see shege today... Kill everything that "breathes" from humans and animals! Deuteronomy 20:16 However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. It is certainly the your Bible's principle and foundation to kill all humans and animals from the enemy's side. If one wouldn't call that terrorism, war crimes and mass-murdering, then what else should you call it? |
Re: Salman Rushdie, Author Of "The Satanic Verses" Attacked, Condition Unknown by aribisala0(m): 8:48am On Aug 15, 2022 |
Ibkhaleel:So this is shege? You are only displaying your emptiness? So Islam the religion of peace is about showing shege? I do not want to show you shege. I wish you well meaning that I hope your brain starts working properly soon No do not see shege . Get well soon is my prayer for you 1 Like |
Re: Salman Rushdie, Author Of "The Satanic Verses" Attacked, Condition Unknown by Ibkhaleel: 8:48am On Aug 15, 2022 |
aribisala0:A praise for dashing little children against rocks as a form of revenge: Psalm 137:8-9 8 O daughter of Babylon, O destroyed one, O the happiness of him who repayeth to thee thy deed, That thou hast done to us. 9 O the happiness of him who doth seize, And hath dashed thy sucklings on the rock! I find it to be absolutely ridiculous that the bible feeds us all kinds of lies and contradictions about "love your enemy", and yet, we see mass slaughter of suckling infants and innocent boys, girls, unarmed men, women (old and young), and innocent domestic farm animals by the tens of thousands! It is clear that the inconsistent man-altered, man-corrupted and morally corrupt bible is nothing but a false book, and can not be a Divine and Perfect Holy Book! I challenge You to produce ONE, JUST ONE Noble Verse from the Muslims |
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