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tensazangetsu20:


E go hard o. Highest I have seen is 400k USD annually and the person dey nairaland. I no go mention am before beggers full him DM.

Say na that FUTA drop out wey shock us for Esco obong DSA Facebook group one time like that

Till now I still dey calculate how much the guy dey earn with the current dollar exchange rate.

I'm not worried about the talks of tech being saturated. It can never be. But if by peradventure it becomes saturated, DSA will be a filter. My goal for the next 1½ years is not to be a good programmer. I jus want to understand and master DSA like the palm of my hands

After that I should be able to see for myself whether tech is saturated like they say or not. And a big shout to you @tensazangetsu20.

You're Nairaland number 1 DSA advocate and evangelist. Without your constant emphasis on DSA, many of us wouldn't have realized the importance of DSA. Or we may realize it later, and will wish we did much earlier

SavageBoy:


Say na that FUTA drop out wey shock us for Esco obong DSA Facebook group one time like that

Yeah.

tensazangetsu20:


E go hard o. Highest I have seen is 400k USD annually and the person dey nairaland. I no go mention am before beggers full him DM.

Baba abeg talk him name, I swear I no go pinch tent for him dm.

RedCentaur:


Baba abeg talk him name, I swear I no go pinch tent for him dm.

seunlalange

SavageBoy:


House for VI?

One guy who has recruited SWE for Google and Amazon did make serious emphasis on DSA. He said it's the key to getting into this companies most especially Google.

Another guy (a SWE for years) even said DSA is far more important than frameworks and technologies. He said different frameworks and web technologies will keep coming and going but DSA will remain forever.

These two comments were more than enough to convince me change my focus

I guess he forgot to tell you that your degree is also of high priority. You wouldn't need to overwork yourself too much to enter these top companies if you have a computer sci. degree.

Otherwise, you are still at low chance compared to a computer science graduates despite having higher DSA knowledge

Telegon:

I guess he forgot to tell you that your degree is also of high priority. You wouldn't need to overwork yourself too much to enter these top companies if you have a computer sci. degree.

Otherwise, you are still at low chance compared to a computer science graduates despite having higher DSA knowledge

This is grossly incorrect

LikeAking:
Abeg make we here word.

Must every talk b about DSA and salary?

@tensazagastu20

leave them make them dey cast am.. Rubbish
After them go dey shout oversaturation but ma them dey use their mouth they oversaturate the thing.. Some people just can't shut up about some things

TastyFriedPussy:
leave them make them dey cast am.. Rubbish
After them go dey shout oversaturation but ma them dey use their mouth they oversaturate the thing.. Some people just can't shut up about some things

Comments only an African can say. India has millions of developers and DSA is of no secrete. All FAANG AND 90% of Fortune 500 firms opened offices there, because there's a large pool that knows "Fundamentals".

How many senior developers in Nigeria can architect large distributed systems?

Before now, what we had were WordPress masters. but it's all different every since Bloomberg, Goldman Sachs, Bank Of America, Palantir, and Microsoft, started giving lads opportunities, and now big firms are seeing the talents from here.

It's a good thing that DSA is now evangelized. Before you know it, big cooperations will come to set up offices here so they can outsource developers here at a cheaper rate.

So if you want to get among the elite, better learn it. Because soon, employers in Nigeria will revert to it, to keep top talents and filter script skiddies.

Microsoft and Amazon just opened applications to recruit engineers from African Universities to US and Canada, not experienced engineers, but new grads.

Telegon:

I guess he forgot to tell you that your degree is also of high priority. You wouldn't need to overwork yourself too much to enter these top companies if you have a computer sci. degree.

Otherwise, you are still at low chance compared to a computer science graduates despite having higher DSA knowledge

Grossly incorrect. Very very incorrect.

Hannania:
Comments only an African can say. India has millions of developers and DSA is of no secrete. All FAANG AND 90% of Fortune 500 firms opened offices there, because there's a large pool that knows "Fundamentals".

How many senior developers in Nigeria can architect large distributed systems?

Before now, what we had were WordPress masters. but it's all different every since Bloomberg, Goldman Sachs, Bank Of America, Palantir, and Microsoft, started giving lads opportunities, and now big firms are seeing the talents from here.

It's a good thing that DSA is now evangelized. Before you know it, big cooperations will come to set up offices here so they can outsource developers here at a cheaper rate.

So if you want to get among the elite, better learn it. Because soon, employers in Nigeria will revert to it, to keep top talents and filter script skiddies.

Microsoft and Amazon just opened applications to recruit engineers from African Universities to US and Canada, not experienced engineers, but new grads.

Guy when andela started in Nigeria all you needed to get in was an essay on why you want to be a software engineer. Now the recruitment is heavy on DSA. Even toptal and Turing all dsa. Crossover the same thing. To even be a successful freelance developer you need dsa except you wanna fight for scrams on places like Upwork and Fiverr.

tensazangetsu20:


Guy when andela started in Nigeria all you needed to get in was an essay on why you want to be a software engineer. Now the recruitment is heavy on DSA. Even toptal and Turing all dsa. Crossover the same thing. To even be a successful freelance developer you need dsa except you wanna fight for scrams on places like Upwork and Fiverr.

. So true. Crossover's own is even harder than FAANG . Though they pay well. $30k to $60k for fresh graduates Remotly.

Every ones eyes will soon come to the reality of things.

Hannania:
. So true. Crossover's own is even harder than FAANG . Though they pay well. $30k to $60k for fresh graduates Remotly.

Every ones eyes will soon come to the reality of things.

Men I don talk even if e go take me 2 years to get good at this no problem. I rather suffer for two years of my life and enjoy myself for the next 20 years. It's My own masters degree cause even if I leave Nigeria I still can't get a good job without knowing dsa. See that nairalander who went to Canada and schooled at university of toronto he still couldn't get employed until he started leetcoding and he was doing odd jobs. Took him more than a year. He was even lucky he went as a permanent resident. Some countries have very short time between graduating as a student and getting a work visa. If you don't have your fundamentals you might find yourself in Nigeria as it will be almost impossible getting placement.

tensazangetsu20:


Grossly incorrect. Very very incorrect.

He is actually correct. Microsoft opened a pipeline for Nigerian comp sci students and grads recently. Number one requirement was a CS degree

Self taught might excel in the industry but Comp sci grads/student will always have an edge

DrLevi:


He is actually correct. Microsoft opened a pipeline for Nigerian comp sci students and grads recently. Number one requirement was a CS degree

Self taught might excel in the industry but Comp sci grads/student will always have an edge

One of the chics recruited last year had a bsc in economics. She's in adora hack slack group. Computer science is definitely the way to go if you have the opportunity to go to the University today. I have even emphasized it here many times.

tensazangetsu20:


One of the chics recruited last year had a bsc in economics. She's in adora hack slack group. Computer science is definitely the way to go if you have the opportunity to go to the University today. I have even emphasized it here many times.

The FAANG dream is a highly ambitious one but the Leetcode DSA thing is quite real especially with established companies, I hear American devs talk about it a lot.

Still your employment will always require expertise with certain languages and frameworks because you have to be productive immediately after the onboarding.

Advising people ignore productive skills for optimisation hacks and efficiency(DSA) is quite misleading because at the end, you won't be employed as a DSA engineer but a ROR or React or Python developer.
Makes no sense passing the interview only to get fired a month into the job for being totally useless to the team

Hannania:
Comments only an African can say. India has millions of developers and DSA is of no secrete. All FAANG AND 90% of Fortune 500 firms opened offices there, because there's a large pool that knows "Fundamentals".

How many senior developers in Nigeria can architect large distributed systems?

Before now, what we had were WordPress masters. but it's all different every since Bloomberg, Goldman Sachs, Bank Of America, Palantir, and Microsoft, started giving lads opportunities, and now big firms are seeing the talents from here.

It's a good thing that DSA is now evangelized. Before you know it, big cooperations will come to set up offices here so they can outsource developers here at a cheaper rate.

So if you want to get among the elite, better learn it. Because soon, employers in Nigeria will revert to it, to keep top talents and filter script skiddies.

Microsoft and Amazon just opened applications to recruit engineers from African Universities to US and Canada, not experienced engineers, but new grads.

The result if this is that the level of difficulty for interview questions will be tougher.

There's a joke that In India, to get into Google you have to prep lc hards very well and pray to God lol for you to pass the interview

DrLevi:

Makes no sense passing the interview only to get fired a month into the job for being totally useless to the team

This part cracked me up

Can someone with a solid knowledge of DSA be completely useless in a team? A lot of faang engineers even recommend being good at a programming language and DSA than just knowing frameworks upon frameworks without a sound knowledge of DSA.

And like what tensa once said, once you've been able to understand and get a job with DSA, you should be experienced and good enough to learn any relevant technology and framework your job will need within a short period of time after getting the job.

DrLevi:

The FAANG dream is a highly ambitious one but the Leetcode DSA thing is quite real especially with established companies, I hear American devs talk about it a lot.

Still your employment will always require expertise with certain languages and frameworks because you have to be productive immediately after the onboarding.

Advising people ignore productive skills for optimisation hacks and efficiency(DSA) is quite misleading because at the end, you won't be employed as a DSA engineer but a ROR or React or Python developer.
Makes no sense passing the interview only to get fired a month into the job for being totally useless to the team

Onboarding in Google and generally FAANG takes 3 to 6 months, that's enough time to learn any tech stack if you're competent enough, though this is not the case for mid and smaller tech companies, you'll need a stack or language at the very least.

If you really want a comp. science degree well you could buy one, depends on the university though, cost is about 500k.

DrLevi:

The FAANG dream is a highly ambitious one but the Leetcode DSA thing is quite real especially with established companies, I hear American devs talk about it a lot.

Still your employment will always require expertise with certain languages and frameworks because you have to be productive immediately after the onboarding.

Advising people ignore productive skills for optimisation hacks and efficiency(DSA) is quite misleading because at the end, you won't be employed as a DSA engineer but a ROR or React or Python developer.
Makes no sense passing the interview only to get fired a month into the job for being totally useless to the team

Recently I found out most people debating this DSA thing are not Cs grads cos anyone that studied/currently Cs must know dsa is the core fundamental upon which other things are built on including those frameworks,libraries and languages so it should not be surprising that companies test for the knowledge of this.

Yes dsa is hard,even foreign engineers don't find it easy but since this is the situation we find ourselves....we all have no option

namikaze:

Onboarding in Google and generally FAANG takes 3 to 6 months, that's enough time to learn any tech stack if you're competent enough, though this is not the case for mid and smaller tech companies, you'll need a stack or language at the very least.

In order words, a solid knowledge in DSA will give one the Davidic courage to face the Goliaths of the tech industry. That's interesting.

SavageBoy:


This part cracked me up

Can someone with a solid knowledge of DSA be completely useless in a team? A lot of faang engineers even recommend being good at a programming language and DSA than just knowing frameworks upon frameworks without a sound knowledge of DSA.

And like what tensa once said, once you've been able to understand and get a job with DSA, you should be experienced and good enough to learn any relevant technology and framework your job will need within a short period of time after getting the job.

Lol. DSA won't give you the knowledge of a 2-3 years experienced Java, Laravel, React etc developer. Even if you're a pro Leetcoder, you can't pull magic.

Someone good at DSA(I mean good, not a solution crammer), would be good at problem solving and learning but still you'd be useless to the team for a while.

Like someone mentioned, FAANG can be cool with the dev being useless for longer periods of time but smaller - medium companies can't afford such deadweight. I still feel the DSA evangelism is a "cart before the horse" scenario.

SavageBoy:


In order words, a solid knowledge in DSA will give one the Davidic courage to face the Goliaths of the tech industry. That's interesting.

unsurprisingly yes, there's a guy I know, he'll basically get any job if he's able to land the interview, and it's not because of his stack rather it's DSA and system design, basically get so good at it that you stun the interviewer(s).

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unsurprisingly yes, there's a guy I know, he'll basically get any job if he's able to land the interview, and it's not because of his stack rather it's DSA and system design, basically get so good at it that you stun the interviewer(s).[/quote
Neetcode was solving leetcode questions for two years while unemployed. The only interview he got was Google and he smashed it. Even if you don't perform knowledge of dsa will get you much better opportunities. See what someone posted on blind. He's good at dsa but sucks at programming.

I'm an aspiring developer, started with html, on css at the moment, then Java script. Pls I'm on the right track?. Reading the comments here got me confused.

@tensazanjetsu20

DrLevi:

Lol. DSA won't give you the knowledge of a 2-3 years experienced Java, Laravel, React etc developer. Even if you're a pro Leetcoder, you can't pull magic.

Someone good at DSA(I mean good, not a solution crammer), would be good at problem solving and learning but still you'd be useless to the team for a while.

Like someone mentioned, FAANG can be cool with the dev being useless for longer periods of time but smaller - medium companies can't afford such deadweight. I still feel the DSA evangelism is a "cart before the horse" scenario.

Everything isn't black and white, both can go together.

tensazangetsu20:


One of the chics recruited last year had a bsc in economics. She's in adora hack slack group. Computer science is definitely the way to go if you have the opportunity to go to the University today. I have even emphasized it here many times.

Thank you for acknowledging that computer science is important in this programming arena. This will help newbies in making quality life decision.

And I'm not crossing out the fact that self-taught programmer can also get employed into these top companies, what I'm trying to let nairalanders know is that, having a comp. sci. degree will give you a greater edge ahead of self-taught programmer in securing a job with the companies. A self-taught programmers will do like five-times the work a computer sci. will do to get the same job.

Telegon:

Thank you for acknowledging that computer science is important in this programming arena. This will help newbies in making quality life decision.

And I'm not crossing out the fact that self-taught programmer can also get employed into these top companies, what I'm trying to let nairalanders know is that, having a comp. sci. degree will give you a greater edge ahead of self-taught programmer in securing a job with the companies. A self-taught programmers will do like five-times the work a computer sci. will do to get the same job.

Yeah if you check my past posts you will see where I say that if you are going to the University just get a computer science degree. Dsa, systems design are all taught at undergraduate level and grinding them then isn't a chore as it is because they are important to your grades.

tensazangetsu20:


Yeah if you check my past posts you will see where I say that if you are going to the University just get a computer science degree. Dsa, systems design are all taught at undergraduate level and grinding them then isn't a chore as it is because they are important to your grades.

These courses are rudimentary and not taught in depth, so if that's the sole reason you're going for comp sci, i am sorry to disappoint you.

Nigerian universities need to do better.

tensazangetsu20:


Yeah if you check my past posts you will see where I say that if you are going to the University just get a computer science degree. Dsa, systems design are all taught at undergraduate level and grinding them then isn't a chore as it is because they are important to your grades.

You rock

DrLevi:

Lol. DSA won't give you the knowledge of a 2-3 years experienced Java, Laravel, React etc developer. Even if you're a pro Leetcoder, you can't pull magic.

Someone good at DSA(I mean good, not a solution crammer), would be good at problem solving and learning but still you'd be useless to the team for a while.

Like someone mentioned, FAANG can be cool with the dev being useless for longer periods of time but smaller - medium companies can't afford such deadweight. I still feel the DSA evangelism is a "cart before the horse" scenario.

In other words, after learning DSA and getting good at solving leetcode questions, apply for jobs that are your mate, that is, faang level kind of jobs

MadarasBlade:


Everything isn't black and white, both can go together.

Unless you're a genius, I can promise you can't get good at both simultaneously.

Leetcode is not easy, forget how tensa preaches it, that thing is confusing as hell. Data structures themselves are no joke. Then add understand A* and other algorithms. You could spend a whole day and still can't implement Dijkstra's.

Having to learn Spring Boot alongside that means you want to land your first job after 3 years.

Tensa can preach about DSA because he has years of React experience under his belt. A newbie that can't write a simple stickman or host a simple FastAPi server learning DSA(without a comp sci degree) certainly must like being hired and fired because DSA only gets you a job, doesn't help you keep one