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Don't Blame Terrorists, Blame The Source by truthmans2012: 9:32am On Aug 27, 2022 |
When it comes to religion, believers can die for what they believe in. Jesus believed in salvation of man through him, and would not go back even in the face of death. His disciples died for what they believed in. What am saying is that in a matter of religion, people are ready to die for the course of their belief. The difference is that the Christians are ready to die for their belief, but the Muslims are ready to kill for their belief. The Bible says " faith comes by hearing ". What you hear or read has a great influence on your life. Christian and Muslim faith are completely determined by what they hear, read or taught. But how would an adherent read or taught these and not become a terrorist? Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not. How would you claim Islam is a religion of peace, when the Quran recommends fighting? If Muhammad had been going around with a message of peace, there would have been no need for fighting. Nobody would initiate a fight against a man of peace. How is fighting good for anybody? No wonder the Quran said " but you dislike it" Don't tell me the fighting is in self-defence, nobody would dislike fighting to defend himself. But the people disliked fighting because there was no need for it. It is expected that a normal human-being would dislike fighting, especially if it is not to defend himself but there are people whose reasoning is faulty, instead of disliking fighting, they like it. If humans are sensible enough to dislike fighting, how would God encourage it if not to turn the whole world upside down. Quran (9:41) Pickthall translation "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew." But the muslims say "jihad" is not war but struggling " Do you use weapons to struggle? Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness." How do you expect peaceful co-existence with non-Muslims with this verse? This is the reason I believe the world will continue to see terrorism as long as the quran remains in existence. |
Re: Don't Blame Terrorists, Blame The Source by haekymbahd(m): 10:14am On Aug 27, 2022 |
Yeah you're right the Father of Jesus deserved to be blamed for this... Isaiah 13 13 Therefore I will make the heavens tremble; and the [b]earth shall be shaken out of its place at the wrath of the Lord of hosts in the day of His fierce anger. 14 And like the chased roe or gazelle, and like sheep that no man gathers, each [foreign resident] will turn to his own people, and each will flee to his own land. 15 Everyone who is found will be thrust through, and everyone who is connected with the slain and is caught will fall by the sword. 16 Their infants also will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses will be plundered and their wives ravished. 17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, who have no regard for silver and do not delight in gold [and thus cannot be bribed]. 2 Likes |
Re: Don't Blame Terrorists, Blame The Source by ANTIlSLAM(m): 10:24am On Aug 27, 2022 |
The author of Quran, the greatest terrorist and his paedophile messenger Muhammad the second in command Quran 8:12 I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes Quran 9:5 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans (Christians and Jews) wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. Quran 5:51 “Don’t take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them.” Qur'an 8:39 And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (Islam) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do. 1 Like
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Re: Don't Blame Terrorists, Blame The Source by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:01am On Aug 27, 2022 |
truthmans2012: NO you're wrong Sir! Politics is the root cause of terrorism not any religion. From the beginning the first terrorist attack that claimed the life of a man on this planet took place shortly after Adam and Eve were driven out of the garden of Eden. Eve gave birth to a son and thought it's this child that will destroy Satan who deceived her {Genesis 3:15} so she named this child Cain the thought in her heart was revealed {Genesis 4:1} so when both her first and second son offered sacrifices to the God who has stopped talking to both Adam and Eve and It was Abel's worship that God approved Cain became troubled. WHY? If God has condemned their parents then salvation must come through their children but now that God approves Abel's worship Cain reasoned that it simply means Abel will become the promised RULER as prophesied {Genesis 3:15} so he killed Abel! Lesson learned: Cain didn't kill Abel simply because of worship NO rather he did so to prevent Abel from becoming the promised RULER. So ever since then terrorism has continued to exist on this planet due to POLITICS as one nation wages war against another to gain power over them. Even if we were not alive during the first and second world wars we can see today that Russia and Ukraine aren't fighting because of RELIGION rather it's due to POLITICS. Politicians use all forms of tools to gain control: Money, Eloquence, Beauty, Weapons, Threats, Intimidation and lastly religion because with religion they can get cheap soldiers to fight for them after brainwashing them making them think they're fighting for God. Sadly the founder of Islam wasn't inspired so he couldn't figure out that politics is the devil's tool to rule over the world {John 14:30; 2Corinthians 4:4; 1John 5:19} so he encouraged his followers to fight in support of their nations unknowingly to him that there can't be LOVE and PEACE among his followers if racism is allowed in their midst! John 13:34-35 compare to Matthew 12:46-50 ![]() |
Re: Don't Blame Terrorists, Blame The Source by RoyalDiadems: 11:43am On Aug 27, 2022 |
haekymbahd: The scripture you quoted above was God's judgement for Idolatrous Israel. Not against unbelievers. God gave Israel the land of Canaan with the promise that if they commit sin as the people of Canaan did, He would judge then the same way He had used Israel to judge Canaan. And that's exactly what He did. He stirred up several nations against them as punishment for worshipping idols. Babylonians, Medes, Assyrians, Midianites, etc. That's justice! And that applies only to Israel as a nation, not Christians! This is unlike your satanic Allah who says all Muslims must fight their neighbors. There nowhere in the quoran where Muslims are urged to save unbelievers from hell! They're asked to kill them instead. Meanwhile, the need to save the lost and help UNBELIEVERS come to the knowledge of salvation is the major theme of the Bible. And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. Jude 1:23 This scripture above has thousands of its similitude scattered all over the Bible. Give us just one quranic equivalent of it. 1 Like |
Re: Don't Blame Terrorists, Blame The Source by AntiChristian: 12:15pm On Aug 27, 2022 |
RoyalDiadems: And this your so-called Judgement is not violent terrorism right? What kind of Hypocrisy are you guys exhibiting here? Seek one or more excuses for your Book and demonise the other wanting no excuse! 1 Like |
Re: Don't Blame Terrorists, Blame The Source by AntiChristian: 12:19pm On Aug 27, 2022 |
truthmans2012: Zephaniah 2:12-13 The Judgment on Cush and Assyria 12“You too, O Cushites (Ethiopia), will be slain by My sword.” 13And He will stretch out His hand against the north and destroy Assyria; You didn't tell us Yahweh get sword! Has He destroyed it? Where is the sword now? And how is He using it? RoyalDiadems 1 Like |
Re: Don't Blame Terrorists, Blame The Source by RoyalDiadems: 1:10pm On Aug 27, 2022 |
AntiChristian: Violent terrorism against whom? At that time, there were no promises of heaven or hell. Punishment for sin waṣ physical. He who gave the land, took the land back when it was filled with blood. Is that not different from Allah who instructed Mohammed and all Muslims from generation to generation to go on a killing spree against those who reject Satan who is Allah in disguise. If I'm wrong, tell me where Allah ever instructed you to save unbelievers out of mercy for their perishing souls. 1 Like |
Re: Don't Blame Terrorists, Blame The Source by AntiChristian: 3:48pm On Aug 27, 2022 |
RoyalDiadems: See another lie in bold from a Holy Spirit filled Christ follower! See this below! Oya bring another excuse! Heaven and hell never dey then! When? Numbers 31:17-18 So now, kill all the boys, as well as every woman who has had relations with a man, but spare for yourselves every girl who has never had relations with a man. All boys/men are killed. All women who had previously had sex were killed. (I still wonder what instrument was used to do this- Sexometer or Vaginometer) Only virgins were spared! Numbers 31:35 and 32,000 women who had not slept with a man. How was this known? Will they have to open them up and use a speculum as in HVS test or what? Yahweh gets a share of 32 Virgins! Numbers 31:40 and 16,000 people, including a tribute to the LORD of 32. No doubt, God is not the author of confusion or nonsense! Far is He from what they ascribed to Him. #biblicalterrorism999 |
Re: Don't Blame Terrorists, Blame The Source by AntiChristian: 4:03pm On Aug 27, 2022 |
This is what the LORD of Hosts says: ‘I witnessed what the Amalekites did to the Israelites when they ambushed them on their way up from Egypt. 3Now go and attack the Amalekites and devote to destruction all that belongs to them. Do not spare them, but put to death men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and donkeys. 1 Samuel 15:3 1.But why kill women and infants? 2. Why kill Oxen, sheep, camels and donkeys? 3. Why kill innocent people? RoyalDiadems truthmans2012 Bring una excuses o! God is so merciful and Forgiving! #biblicalterrorism999 1 Like |
Re: Don't Blame Terrorists, Blame The Source by RoyalDiadems: 7:31pm On Aug 27, 2022 |
AntiChristian: You've created many threads on this same topic, each time, you abandon your own threads. Don't you ever get tired? The scriptures you quoted relates to Israel and the Amalekites. God promised Israel that He'll punish Amalek and wipe them off the face of the Earth. He did exactly that. Tell me where is Amalek today. The God that can speak and do what He says ought to be feared. Tell me where Allah ever forgave someone in your quoran. Allah doesn't forgive. He says one thing and does another. Typical of the devil. Allah is forgiving, yet he commanded you guys to kill unbelievers instead of saving them. God is merciful and forgiving only if you repent and forsake your evil ways. If you continue doing evil, He'll wait a long time for you to repent. It you don't repent, He'll destroy you! God destroyed Amalek about 400yrs after waiting long for them to repent. That's mercy at its best. |
Re: Don't Blame Terrorists, Blame The Source by RoyalDiadems: 7:35pm On Aug 27, 2022 |
AntiChristian: This should tell you that the God of the Bible is the true God. Where is Assyria today, destroyed! Google it. He has destroyed Assyria. Assyria ceased to be a nation not long after that prophecy. That's something Allah can never do. Yes, God has sword. He has instruments for punishing the wicked. |
Re: Don't Blame Terrorists, Blame The Source by truthmans2012: 7:07am On Aug 28, 2022 |
AntiChristian: You have no idea of Israel as a nation and Christianity. Where do you see Christians killing the innocent in the name of Jesus? Did you see the list of Islamic terrorist groups up there? What are they formed to achieve other than wasting innocent lives. Islam is the problem of the world since its inception till date. |
Re: Don't Blame Terrorists, Blame The Source by AntiChristian: 7:14am On Aug 28, 2022 |
RoyalDiadems: So we can now agree that your God is violent too abi? Good! He has a sword! Good! To kill the wicked! But are all of them wicked? The fetuses? The animals? The kids? Elisha and the Two Bears (2 Kings 2:23-25) 23 Then he (Elisha) went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!” 24 When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number. 25 And he went from there to Mount Carmel, and from there he returned to Samaria. So who killed the 42 kids and why were kids killed for mocking a man of God? Na wetin God use the sword for be this? |
Re: Don't Blame Terrorists, Blame The Source by truthmans2012: 7:20am On Aug 28, 2022 |
AntiChristian: The reason you are saying all these is because your head is still standing on your neck. I just pray you do not fall in to the hands of the dare-devil islamic terrorists, if you do, you will understand what we are saying. |
Re: Don't Blame Terrorists, Blame The Source by AntiChristian: 7:21am On Aug 28, 2022 |
RoyalDiadems: So your God get power to destroy? I thought it's only deliverance, miracles and property He's in charge of! But all na lie! If your God get sword, wetin Jesus get? Missiles? Weyin animals and kids do your LORD? |
Re: Don't Blame Terrorists, Blame The Source by AntiChristian: 7:27am On Aug 28, 2022 |
truthmans2012: Subtle diversion tactics! Why did your God kill animals and kids? Address the topic and stop the diversion! Terrorists plenty for SE whey be Christians and traditional worshippers among IPOB, ESN rascals! |
Re: Don't Blame Terrorists, Blame The Source by AntiChristian: 7:28am On Aug 28, 2022 |
truthmans2012: We can say Yahweh your God was a problem to Israel too back then from your Bible using same logic as you! Can't you people think? |
Re: Don't Blame Terrorists, Blame The Source by truthmans2012: 7:30am On Aug 28, 2022 |
AntiChristian: Those places you are quoting in the Bible were for specific reasons and they ended with the incidents. There are no open instructions or injunctions for Christians to fight against unbelievers, but to preach and pray for them. If every religion goes about terrorising the people like Islam is doing, do you think you will have the chance to come to this platform? Be sincere to yourself. |
Re: Don't Blame Terrorists, Blame The Source by AntiChristian: 7:35am On Aug 28, 2022 |
truthmans2012: Why did your God kill those kids? |
Re: Don't Blame Terrorists, Blame The Source by truthmans2012: 7:52am On Aug 28, 2022 |
AntiChristian: The place of the blood. A child is made of the father's blood. If the father is wicked, the child will be more wicked and God knows that. God knows that the children would continue their fathers' evil acts, worse than the fathers did. |
Re: Don't Blame Terrorists, Blame The Source by Sheunma: 8:18am On Aug 28, 2022 |
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Re: Don't Blame Terrorists, Blame The Source by AntiChristian: 8:49am On Aug 28, 2022 |
truthmans2012: So in essence evil is transmitted in our DNA and there's no chance of repentance? This your Lord na wá o! Kill children because their fathers are sinners? |
Re: Don't Blame Terrorists, Blame The Source by truthmans2012: 1:11pm On Aug 28, 2022 |
AntiChristian: Yes, this is the reason man is born a sinner through blood lineage. We all inherited sin from Adam and Eve. This is the reason you need a rebirth through Jesus. " If any man is in Christ is a new creature (2 Cor. 5:17). If unforgiven sins still live in your blood, you can not make it to heaven, don't let anyone deceive you. Your sins, the ones you inherited and the ones you committed by yourself must first be remitted or washed by the blood of Jesus and then, pray for power to overcome committing sins. Jesus died for the sins inherited and committed and after that, you will be held liable for any sin you commit without repentance. Let me also say this: the belief of cancelling sins by good works is not acceptable to God. Good works do not remove inherited and committed sins. Good works are just rewards you get when you get to heaven. If you don't get to heaven, you will definitely lose the rewards for your good works. You need to be saved first before your good works will have meaning. |
Re: Don't Blame Terrorists, Blame The Source by RoyalDiadems: 5:01pm On Aug 28, 2022 |
AntiChristian: I've told you several times. God blesses the righteous and destroys the wicked. That's justice! The Creator of the whole world is also the Judge of the whole world! |
Re: Don't Blame Terrorists, Blame The Source by RoyalDiadems: 5:31pm On Aug 28, 2022 |
AntiChristian: The scriptures you quoted above relates to war between Israel and an enemy nation. During wars, it is normal to kill your enemies. God specifically instructed the Israelites on how to deal with the conquered enemy after He delivered them into Israel's hands. God used Israel to judge those nations because of bloodshed and idolatory. When Israel also committee the same sins, He used other nations to judge Israel too in the same manner. A God of justice! Remember, at that time, there was neither heaven or hell promised to anyone. All punishments for sins were physical punishments. This has nothing to do with religion. God never said, kill unbelievers as wicked Allah instructed Muslims. Surah 3:151: "We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve (all non-Muslims) Surah 2:191: "And kill them (non-Muslims) wherever you find them … kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers (non-Muslims)." Surah 9:5: "Then kill the disbelievers (non-Muslims) wherever you find them, capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush …" Tell me who is lying. Myself or your quran? Can't you see? Allah can't save, neither can he destroy. He needs you to help him destroy his enemies. The God that scattered Israel in AD 70 because of their sins, promised to make them a nation again in the later days, and fulfilled that promise in 1949 can only be the true God. Have you ever considered that 2000 years of a nation's destruction makes it impossible for that nation to ever be made again. That miracle alone is a testament to the power of God. 1 Like |
Re: Don't Blame Terrorists, Blame The Source by RoyalDiadems: 5:39pm On Aug 28, 2022 |
AntiChristian: Elijah was a man who had the power of God. God's power is God's gift to His people. Men can misuse power. In this case of Elijah, the matter is between Elijah and his God. I can't judge God's Prophet. You should be worried that Mohammed couldn't raise the dead like Elijah did, but he killed many people unprovoked in his lifetime, and instructed you to do the same. |
Re: Don't Blame Terrorists, Blame The Source by AntiChristian: 11:00pm On Aug 28, 2022 |
RoyalDiadems: Olódò! It's not Elijah in the equation it's Elisha! This story is not John 3:16 that you know by heart! And as we know holy spirit doesn't exist, at least not in you! So once again it's Elisha not Elijah that cursed lads to death! So Jesus loves kids but his dad killed kids! What a difference! I should make a post with this. |
Re: Don't Blame Terrorists, Blame The Source by AntiChristian: 11:15pm On Aug 28, 2022 |
RoyalDiadems: I know you'll respond! And of course I would reply. If it was Jesus what would he have done? Of course Jesus is peaceful unlike his father who is fond of killing. I still don't know how this is a loving and forgiving God at all! Virgins were even reserved for your Lord after the killings! I knew you won't be able to answer the associating questions? How were the virgins figured out from the non virgins? Was it the holy spirit? |
Re: Don't Blame Terrorists, Blame The Source by AntiChristian: 11:16pm On Aug 28, 2022 |
RoyalDiadems: So He can kill who or whatever He wishes to kill even if the killed has no sin right? |
Re: Don't Blame Terrorists, Blame The Source by AntiChristian: 11:29pm On Aug 28, 2022 |
truthmans2012: So you have been inheriting only sins from Adam but you refuse to inherit good deeds done by same parent? Your God is really fair! This your theory is flawed! God had to send his son/himself to be killed for his creations to be saved with his blood. Blood sacrifice like those dibia/babalawo film. Kill someone for others to progress! Sins God would just have forgave Adam and Eve. Everyone will carry his/her own burden! |
Re: Don't Blame Terrorists, Blame The Source by RoyalDiadems: 7:15pm On Aug 29, 2022 |
AntiChristian: How many who and whatever did He kill? Trace all records. God punishes only sinners and blesses the righteous. Even the Canaan invasion story had a long foundation. God told Abraham long ago that He'll use his offspring to punish those lands, "but that's be about 400+ yrs to this time. For the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full." Genesis 15:16. |
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