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Re: Is Studying Engineering Now A Scam In Nigeria by henryelfhel: 2:00pm On Aug 29, 2022 |
Forget about mechanical Engineering it's a nightmare and the most useless course one can study in Nigeria. With the determination and strength I see in you use it to study software Engineering, Data Engineering/Science and CyberSecurity. You will never forget me if you stick to this advice. 8 Likes |
Re: Is Studying Engineering Now A Scam In Nigeria by GerogeI(m): 2:04pm On Aug 29, 2022 |
selmansee: I am an Engineer. The first thing you need to do is to make a distinction between Engineers and Technicians. Engineers are designers, solution crafters or inventors. Technicians on the other hand are the hands for the skilled labour to execute and produce the Engineers designs or carry out maintenance works. In Nigeria lay people call Technicians Engineers. Frankly, Engineers cannot do what technicians do, because they are specilized skills that require years of practice. Even though an Engineer can adapt to learn on the job easily. Industrial outfits do not need a lot of Engineers to function. Rather they need a lot of blue colar workers or technicians, such as mechanics, machine operators, welders, fitters, undsea welders, foundary operators, etcs. A technician cannot do what an Engineer does. What is it that Engineeers do? They design solutions in such a way as to meet all kinds of stringent requirements on the first try. That is without room for trial and error. A civil Engineer must design a bridge or building to fully function on completion, without room for re-building. This is what we call Reliability. So even in designing a maintenance program for a machine, an Engineer must achieve significant machine uptime regardless of the challenges. There are very few Engineering Roles in Nigeria. While they are few, they are actually well paid, especially in the oil industry. They are also mostly maintenance or consulting roles, not design roles. A junior Engineer with a Nigerian Local company earns about N400k to N600K per month. Engineering Managers earn upwards of double these amounts. Why are there few Engineering roles? Nigeria has very little manufacturing and production outside the oil industry. A typical small scale factory does not need an Engineer to funtion. Rather they need Technicians. Whay are there so many Engineers Teaching in schools? 1. Mass production of Engineers rather than Technicians by Nigeria's 6-3-3-4 system. Higher Colleges were neglected. This system is so ridiculous that it planned to produce technicians at Junior secondary level, with courses such as Introductory Technology which failed as we were too young to work or even understand. Meanwhile it created no room for Polytechnics and Colleges of Higher Education. So everybody that was technically inclined went to study Engineering at University, especially with initial demand for Engineers from the oil industry. 2. Poor quality, education and generationally poor quality lecturers. The first set of Nigerian Engineers were trained in other countries, but coming back without avenues to practuce or demonstrate technical concepts. Each new generation of Engineers are worse than their predecessor. 3. Cultisim in Universities. I am sure you've heard of Engine Boys. They are the cultist in schooĺ. Climbing in and out through windows during academic works. Being weaponized for campus politics. Eventually they graduate with unearned scores given by their fellow cultist lecturers. Some of them are the Engineers you see in your class rooms. They are unable to compete and win those few available Engineering Roles. 4. Nigerian Engineers are not designing and inventing to create new opportunities. The worlds richest man is making money from Engineering- Elon Musk. The previous one also made money from Software Engineering, before it became a Technicians Job for programmers ( mathematical typist). In each era, the Engineering that creates the products for future and advancement, earn the most reward. Nigerian Engineers are not producing anything new or old, hence are not earning significant rewards. They are also not solving our most pressing problems. Our mechanical Engineers are yet to design cars, truck, trains, airplanes to fast track our economy. Our civil engineers are yet to find ways to make our roads last for 100 years without erosion. Our Electrical Engineers cannot provide enough power to meet our common demands. Our Electronics Engineers are yet to build a radio, talkless of liquid crystal displays, smart traffic light, our local computer processor. Rather they are all trooping out to work as software technicians. If you want study and succeed as an Engineer, you must desire to truly solve problems via technical designs, and also be dedicated to study and understand the difficult concepts that engineers before you surmounted.Your study should be as rigorous as that of Doctors for your to stand a chance of competing with well mentored Engineers from other parts of the world. 17 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Is Studying Engineering Now A Scam In Nigeria by EdoBoy90(m): 2:04pm On Aug 29, 2022 |
henryelfhel: How many universities in Nigeria have the courses you mentioned here? Most of my friends did electrical Electronic Engineering, then, major in programming/Automation. Two in Germany and one in Malta. All got the jobs from Nigeria. Mechanical Engineering pays very well in abroad. In mechanical engineering, you can major in controls, Design, manufacturing, robotics, AI, ML etc. I know many. 2 Likes |
Re: Is Studying Engineering Now A Scam In Nigeria by marcelofrancis: 2:13pm On Aug 29, 2022 |
Bro, If I were in your situation right Now, I will forget about university or any territory education. I will save money and time, By looking for a tech institution and firm to learn high-paying tech skills e.g software engineering, 1 Like |
Re: Is Studying Engineering Now A Scam In Nigeria by EmmanuelBlaze04: 2:22pm On Aug 29, 2022 |
Max247:Thanks so much. I appreciate |
Re: Is Studying Engineering Now A Scam In Nigeria by Gaddafi1: 2:24pm On Aug 29, 2022 |
selmansee: There is no course like Material Science in FUTO but rather Materials and Metallurgical Engineering, so your teacher was actually an Engineer. COREN which has the responsibility of regulating engineering in Nigeria is doing absolutely nothing and this has given quacks opportunity to take over the industry. The other day I met a man at a business center forging Engineering certificate of UNIPORT, The oil and gas industry is only interested in what you can do for them and not your certificate. ENGINEERING IS ACTUALLY A SCAM. I regret studying it |
Re: Is Studying Engineering Now A Scam In Nigeria by eminemkayc: 2:25pm On Aug 29, 2022 |
Hello, On the contrary, there are extreme and enormous potentials for engineers generally in this country and civil engineers, in specific. As a practicing structural engineer in close to two decades with extreme competence in finite difference methods of analysis, finite element methods, application of laplace transformation to the analysis and design of dynamic equipment structures/foundations, etcetera I can confidently inform you that in a developing society like ours and elsewhere abroad, there's a huge demand for structural engineers (for e.g) in industries such as the oil and gas, power plant, telecommunications, etc. These are people who design lattice tower structures, monopole structures, girder bridges, high rise building structures, fixed jacket offshore structures, pile foundations, combined footings, raft foundation, floating and fixed jetties etc. However, to fit in, you must be quite COMPETENT in engineering analysis and design (note that those persons you mentioned in factories are technicians and NOT engineers), both manually, with the use of SELF-CREATED intelligent spreadsheets and with the use of INTERNATIONALLY-ACCEPTABLE computer aided design applications such as STAADPro, SAP2000, SACS and ETAB (not ORION) together with detailing applications such as AUTOCAD, PDMS, E3D. Additionally, you should be competent in internationally acceptable codes of practice such as the Eurocodes (EC0-9), AISC, API, DNV, and relevant yet-to-be-wiithdrawn BS codes. The problem(s) with the Nigerian universities is that you are taught the solution of homogeneous/non-homogeneous second order differential equations either by classical methods or special operator methods without being taught its largely used applications in engineering design such as its application is structural free damped vibration of rigid bodies, forced-damped vibration via externally applied forcing functions, application in the description of ground acceleration due to seismic motions, its application in the theory of thin plates and shells like analysis of thin-walled pressurized vessels, fracture mechanics failure theories like huber-hencky-von-misces theroy, etc Engineering is applied mathematics, is sweet and once you do not know its application and cannot deploy the right tools in engineering design, you would obviously be found floating either in Nigeria or elsewhere in the world. Finally note that the world is in deep demand of those who study and are COMPETENT in STEM-related courses and the 'E' in STEM is obviously Engineering. 10 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Is Studying Engineering Now A Scam In Nigeria by midastouch: 2:28pm On Aug 29, 2022 |
EdoBoy90: I strongly disagree. Please study Mathematics, Statistics and Physics. Take it further by getting into Data Science, A.I, Big Data, Machine Learning and others. You got it made !! 3 Likes |
Re: Is Studying Engineering Now A Scam In Nigeria by GerogeI(m): 2:30pm On Aug 29, 2022 |
EmmanuelBlaze04: Software technologies is not necessarily Engineering. Programming computers is more in the line of an Interpreter, only that the interpretation uses mathematics and Logic. Infact programming is akin yo speaking the language of the computer. So its a technologist's job, akin to a blue colar worker. However, it is in high demand due to booming Information technology. You do not need an Engineers certificate to get into Tech jobs as they are rightly called. You just need practice and certifications. 2 Likes |
Re: Is Studying Engineering Now A Scam In Nigeria by EmmanuelBlaze04: 2:34pm On Aug 29, 2022 |
GerogeI:Thanks so much. I think I'll just find my way to learn the programming and software if my school is not teaching it well. |
Re: Is Studying Engineering Now A Scam In Nigeria by henryelfhel: 2:34pm On Aug 29, 2022 |
The courses are studied in Nigeria universities. Run away from mechanical Engineering. EdoBoy90: |
Re: Is Studying Engineering Now A Scam In Nigeria by mmsen: 2:49pm On Aug 29, 2022 |
A friend of mine who studied mechanical engineering told me that the work that was available with that degree was too low paid for him. He later did an MBA. A lot of people with engineering degrees do not want to work in their respective fields for various reasons. 1 Like |
Re: Is Studying Engineering Now A Scam In Nigeria by dododawa1: 2:51pm On Aug 29, 2022 |
Foreigners has take over NIGERIA engineering sectors. |
Re: Is Studying Engineering Now A Scam In Nigeria by CyberHustle: 2:53pm On Aug 29, 2022 |
Engineering is now very theoretical in Nigeria and needs to be restructured. If the graduates cannot afford to buy the tools needed to advance beyond the first degree theories, commonsense dictates they back out. 4 Likes |
Re: Is Studying Engineering Now A Scam In Nigeria by Nobody: 2:56pm On Aug 29, 2022 |
Guyman01: Yeah, it made me hate engineering |
Re: Is Studying Engineering Now A Scam In Nigeria by Gerrard59(m): 2:56pm On Aug 29, 2022 |
EdoBoy90: Mathematics and Physics grads can also do the same, there's no difference. Even a sound chemistry grad can do the same. However, these people spent four years while he spent five years. Even Physics grads go on to get a PhD in Economics. The belief that an engineering is mandatory for a postgraduate degree in engineering is entirely false. Also, like I mentioned earlier, if he needs a good job immediately after his BSc or BEng, it's not in the sector but tech, finance and consulting. So, why spend so much time studying whereas your math colleague spent less? 1 Like |
Re: Is Studying Engineering Now A Scam In Nigeria by Amodi470(m): 2:58pm On Aug 29, 2022 |
Nnaemiemax: Okay.. Oo |
Re: Is Studying Engineering Now A Scam In Nigeria by Gerrard59(m): 3:03pm On Aug 29, 2022 |
EdoBoy90: OP is in Nigeria, and mechanical engineering doesn't pay more than software engineering or computer science jobs. Heck, they are behind finance. In countries with manufacturing sectors contributing to the GDP, engineers don't earn a lot. Here are two articles on the Financial Times (https://www.ft.com/content/dc5c19f7-5f4b-4bf5-809a-f46859fb5c39; https://www.ft.com/content/b90da329-a2e5-486a-860f-a20a3afc707a) where Japanese manufacturers are complaining that young Japanese engineering grads aren't interested in the sector because the salaries are low. If Japanese grads can pivot to high earning industries even when they can easily get jobs in the manufacturing industry, why should a young Nigerian do the same where there is non-existent manufacturing industry? When did Nigeria begin to manufacture more than Japan? 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Is Studying Engineering Now A Scam In Nigeria by motta(m): 3:07pm On Aug 29, 2022 |
Oga you don't just study engineering and come out with the cert alone you need to know other aspect of that particular engineering like the software aspect , each engineering course has so many software you can learn that aids you. Get to know them and you will be at the top of your mates . selmansee: 3 Likes |
Re: Is Studying Engineering Now A Scam In Nigeria by Jokerman(m): 3:13pm On Aug 29, 2022 |
GerogeI: Which Local engineering company in Nigetia can pay junior engineer.... 400k... lol... el dorado 3 Likes |
Re: Is Studying Engineering Now A Scam In Nigeria by geesilver(m): 3:14pm On Aug 29, 2022 |
selmansee:Na ikorodu you dey stay ba......? |
Re: Is Studying Engineering Now A Scam In Nigeria by Jokerman(m): 3:17pm On Aug 29, 2022 |
Study Engineering for the Love, not for the much pay, in a country like Nigeria Bankers, Actors, Nurses and other gbefun professionals that don't know 2 +2 will earn more than you.... Take the Msc or PHD route outta the country... 1 Like |
Re: Is Studying Engineering Now A Scam In Nigeria by Nobody: 3:23pm On Aug 29, 2022 |
There are successful Engineers in Nigeria, they didn't end up teaching physics in secondary schools or studying to pass ICAN. Career counseling is key, Engineering is very practical, you can learn everything in school, you must be willing to learn more after graduation. Look for good Engineering companies to learn the ropes, even if you have to be an apprentice. The problem with many of our Engineering graduates is that they like wearing suites, and love the desk. They think they're bankers. They person who taught me physics in secondary school ( a civil engineer) ended up studying for ICAN. He was based in Abj then, If he had stayed in PH he would have been a real Engineer. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Is Studying Engineering Now A Scam In Nigeria by Cmanforall: 3:35pm On Aug 29, 2022 |
advanceDNA:Follow this advice... E get why |
Re: Is Studying Engineering Now A Scam In Nigeria by Juanmike(m): 3:44pm On Aug 29, 2022 |
Yes after Apc |
Re: Is Studying Engineering Now A Scam In Nigeria by selmansee: 3:54pm On Aug 29, 2022 |
casualobserver: wow I sincerely appreciate your contribution in summary the course is equally important as the university but may I ask.. what would you rather advice someone to choose..because the reality is every one can not studying the most respected courses same way everyone can not study in the most respected school like UNILAG and UI.. I have seen this as the reality from previous jamb student who got fustrated over the fact that they want to study in UI or UNILAG but ended up in polythenics may I ask.. which of these options do you think is better going to UNILAG to study let say Physics education or any low course that was given to me after applying elect elect OR going to an average university like Nasarawa state university or kaduna state university to study medicine or elect elect.. to shorten it ..is it course over school or school over course because the reality is ...for my self trying to get into top schools to study top courses will be nearly impossible as I might not meet up with the strict requirements..I am being realistic. |
Re: Is Studying Engineering Now A Scam In Nigeria by Nobody: 3:57pm On Aug 29, 2022 |
xpressionx: Now you know why FUTO's Kegites call themselves "Ilya Du Manpower" FUTO manpower machines be doing the worst to hostel girls |
Re: Is Studying Engineering Now A Scam In Nigeria by Zulu2022: 3:57pm On Aug 29, 2022 |
If it was of old age there were white companies,then is not scam, engineer we get na our old father's who read engineering in 70s 80s are working still dominating in all this oil coy nd big company,the no wan retire,even if de do,na to put there kids,in other words, not giving other graduate de opportunity |
Re: Is Studying Engineering Now A Scam In Nigeria by jesmond3945: 4:03pm On Aug 29, 2022 |
EmmanuelBlaze04:I am a computer engineer myself. However, I love the mathematical side of things more. Becsuse in comp science you deal with maths and software. In comp eng you deal with maths, software and hardware. I can see you like hardware more than software. You would need to be good in cplusplus and fpga design thats were the money is. In comp science, you have software dev and all its aspects, thats were the money is. Maths gives you the thereoretical foundation. So i would say go ahead and do the comp engin, with time you would know which area you would be comfortable in 2 Likes |
Re: Is Studying Engineering Now A Scam In Nigeria by Stanislause94: 4:06pm On Aug 29, 2022 |
selmansee:it’s course over school |
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