Hope2014:
Link to Apostle Selman sermons.

Kobojunkie:
Churchianism is not to be confused in anyway with that which is Jesus Christ. Worshipping these men you call your pastors and mogs is akin to adopting exactly that which Jesus Christ warned against.

Hope2014:
Why are you finding it difficult to submit to men of God.

Kobojunkie:
Did Jesus Christ ever ask you to submit to men in His Name?

Why do you do that which God warned you against doing only to then pretend you do it for God?

Jesus Christ warned you against doing exactly what you do, a 2000-year-old warning to boot

Hope2014:
lol.
You are going against the one thing God is 100% in support with.
Read 1 Peter 5 verse 5 and 6. or you can post it.

Kobojunkie:
Since when did Peter become God to you?

If Jesus Christ says " do not submit to other men" but someone like Peter says " submit to other men", are you telling me that you will chose to obey Peter over Jesus Christ?

Hope2014:
loooool.
where did he say "dont submit to other men"

Kobojunkie:
You are kidding, right?

Hope2014:

no. i may have forgotten

Kobojunkie:
Please go back and read through the teachings of Jesus Christ found in the Gospels - Matthew, Mark, Luke and John - for your own self so you can learn God's Truth from the source Himself.

Hope2014:

What does Matthew 23verse 1 and 2 say

Kobojunkie:
Don't start by picking a random verse from here and there. Read the entire message in context to understand what Jesus Christ is in fact telling you.

Hope2014:

The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Matthew 23:2-3

MaxInDHouse:


This verse applies to Jewish religous leaders of Jesus' day and their system of worship ended when God used Rome to punish that nation in the first century. After the establishment of the Christian congregation Satan immediately came in again to sow weeds among Jesus' fine seeds {Matthew 13:25} and Satan succeeded in turning the faith upside down few centuries after the death of Jesus' first century followers {Luke 18:8} but in 1914 Jesus was enthroned in heaven as King of God's Kingdom so he began acting in heaven. First he drove away Satan and all the demons from heaven {Revelations 12:7-12} then Jesus visited the earth as an invisible mighty spirit King and began calling on faithful people throughout the earth to leave Satan's system of worship {Revelations 18:4} they abandoned the borrowed group name "CHRISTIANS" which was taken from the first century Antioch {Act 11:26} Satan has been using this group name to mislead many {Matthew 24:11} so the true God gathered all faithful people throughout the earth under one umbrella {Isaiah 2:2-4} taught them to have the same line of thought {John 17:20-23 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10} and God began calling them by another name: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15



That is the one and only group where the leaders practice what they preach today!

May you have PEACE!

Hope2014:

Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Matthew 23:2-3
Should we better chat on whatsApp

Kobojunkie:
Sigh... if you had bothered to read further down to verse 8 - 10 of the same chapter, you would have seen where Jesus Christ clearly tells you that He alone is Teacher and Master/Authority over those who belong to Him in the Kingdom of God.

As I already related, picking a verse in isolation without ensuring your first understand the message contained in the entire passage will only leave you even blinder than you were than when you started. In much the same way you don't conclude on just the first few words said by others, so also you shouldn't pick verses at random when reading through scripture..

Hope2014:
So in a church, we ought not to submit to pastors even though they will give account of us, IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?

Kobojunkie:
Look again at what Jesus Christ told you in His own words in Matthew 23 vs 8 - 10. He clearly told you that no other man can be master/authority over those who belong to Him. He also said no other man can can Teacher over those who belong to Him, that they are all of them equals in the Kingdom of God.

If your church does not operate according to the rules set by Jesus Christ Himself, what has that your church to do with Jesus Christ, to begin with?

Hope2014:

Are you JW?

Hope2014:

so why were the early christians submiting to the apostles.
Hebrews 13:17 "Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you."
please dont be annoyed which church do you attend

Kobojunkie:
The letter to the Hebrews was written by a Hebrew believer specifically to other Hebrew believers who reside in the Hebrew Kingdoms in the Land of Canaan. I see absolutely no sense why a Gentile should consult any letter, even that, for alternatives to that declared by Jesus Christ for those who are of His Kingdom instead.

I don't attend any of your churches. I belong only to the Church whose Teacher, Master/Authority, Shepherd, Ruler, etc. is Jesus Christ.

Hope2014:

So you dont attend any church on weekdays and Sundays.

Kobojunkie:
I am not a Churchian nor is Churchianism my belief system. I am instead a follower of Jesus Christ and it is to His Church alone that I belong.

Hope2014:

Now this is wIERd.

Kobojunkie:
Why is it weird to obey only that decreed by one's master and saviour, Jesus Christ?

Hope2014:

you just need a pastor to counsel you, that is all i can say. i have friends that are pastors they can help you. Can message you their phone numbers.

Kobojunkie:
I see now.... you would rather be led by ordinary men like yourself, against Jesus Christ by the way.

You can only serve one master in the Kingdom of God - Matthew 6 vs 24 - and if Jesus isn't the one, then He cannot help you. And no one else can serve Jesus Christ on your behalf, so if you are not willing to have Him as your only Master, then there isn't much that can be said on this.

Hope2014:
1. do you know lack of submission is pride.
2. have you heard the voice of Jesus before?
3. how many things has the Holy Spirit taught you?
4. If you cannot submit yourself to an authority set up by God to teach you, how can you even submit to Jesus.
5. The Holy Spirit anoints men of God to teach the word of God so they are not ordinary men.

Hope2014:
Link to Apostle Selman sermons.