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Magic And Miracle: How Do One Differentiate Between Them? by bobchigar(m): 6:01pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
The Magic and Miracle are events or actions which there occurrence mostly contradict known nature or scientific laws. However, although the Miracle has a broader definition that relates it to divine power, how can one now differentiate which of this supernatural occurrence or event is cause by miracle or Magic? 1. Is it what the influencer/ performer of the supernatural occurrences called himself/herself? I.e Magicians, Alfas, Pastors, Herbalists etc because I observed that aside the magician that confesses that he is performing magic, others are known to be saying that they are performing Miracle. 2. Is it the place where the supernatural occurrences are performed? i.e Mosques, Churches, Shrines, Events Centre etc. because I observed that aside the magicians that confesses that he/she is performing magic to entertain people at the event gatherings, if supernatural occurrences happen in the other places ( Mosques, Churches, Shrines), they are known to be saying that Miracle happen in their place and not magic. What are the conditions to know if any of these agents is performing Miracle or Magic? |
Re: Magic And Miracle: How Do One Differentiate Between Them? by Cypress042: 6:08pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
Magics happens physically While miracles happens spiritually. |
Re: Magic And Miracle: How Do One Differentiate Between Them? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:14pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
bobchigar:Miracles has a purpose for which it occurs by God's Holy Spirit and it only involves those doing the will of God but magic is imitation by demons trying to complicate things making the onlookers feel It's from the same source. So if you're not interested in knowing God's will you can't differentiate between Miracles and Magic that's why Jesus said" "By their FRUITS you will know the difference"Matthew 7:16 Because Magic will only happen just for show bur Miracles have something to do with God's plan for mankind! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Magic And Miracle: How Do One Differentiate Between Them? by bobchigar(m): 6:16pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
Cypress042: Both happen physically and spiritually. |
Re: Magic And Miracle: How Do One Differentiate Between Them? by bobchigar(m): 6:20pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: How do you know who is doing God's wills ? |
Re: Magic And Miracle: How Do One Differentiate Between Them? by Nobody: 6:44pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
bobchigar:there are 3 conditions to know a true miracle To differentiate a miracle from magic, Use this 1) the sickness must be incurable (there are records of it being treated in the past, but no improvement or positive changes reflecting on the individual) 2) The cure for the sickness must be instantaneous ( the process of healing comes immediately) 3) The cure must be complete(after the individual is healed, they are totally whole again from head to toe) |
Re: Magic And Miracle: How Do One Differentiate Between Them? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:58pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
bobchigar: If you diligently study the Bible and thoroughly meditate on what you're reading you will know those doing God's will around you. Take for instance during the first century a man named Jesus appeared from nowhere and after going to a popular prophet known as John the baptist Jesus began preaching and teaching throughout all Judea and gathering disciples. John whom all Israelites recognized as a prophet of God never performed a single miracle but Jesus was performing great miracles that Israelites have never heard before in their history {John 10:41} so why did many Jews believe in Jesus? Was it because of his miraculous works? NO! Because at that same time Pharisees also have men among them performing miracles too! Matthew 12:27 So what indisputable reason do many Jews have for believing in Jesus of Nazareth? Well it's because he was fulfilling what the prophets before his has foretold before then which means what he's doing is already part of God's plan! John 10:41-42 Again after Jesus' ascension to heaven most Jews have concluded that the man is no more and just as they're about to forget him another spectacular event occurred in Jerusalem at pentecost, his disciples gathered in a place and they were baptized by God's Holy Spirit then they came out preaching boldly and confidently about Jesus of Nazareth claiming he has been resurrected from the dead! This event also fulfilled a prophecy foretold centuries before Jesus Christ {Joel 2:28-30 compare to Act 2:16-18} at first when Jews saw this they concluded this men are drunk but when Peter reminded them of the prophecy the event is fulfilling they were all beaten to the heart and they humbly begged Peter and the others to tell them what they're to do in support of God's will fulfilling in their eyes! Act 2:37 So Miracles occur in support of God's will to help faithful people know the time God's spirit is gathering them to support God's will but Magic has no purpose it's just for shows! Today there is a group doing God's will globally if you want to know the PROPHECIES pointing to what they're doing today i will tell you. May you have PEACE! |
Re: Magic And Miracle: How Do One Differentiate Between Them? by bobchigar(m): 7:02pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
Crimpsy: If all these occurred irrespective of the facilitators or influencers be it pastor, herbalist , Alfa or magician it is miracle? |
Re: Magic And Miracle: How Do One Differentiate Between Them? by MrBrownJay1(m): 7:31pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
anything can be a "miracle" to someone who is brainwashed... there is no such thing as miracles. too many people are confusing BEING LUCKY with miracles. tomorrow someone will come out uninjured from a crazy accident, and they will be quick to call it a miracle or praise some yeye invisible god. |
Re: Magic And Miracle: How Do One Differentiate Between Them? by bobchigar(m): 8:24pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
MrBrownJay1: There is no doubt about existence of God and miracles but now adays many people are performing magic not miracle. |
Re: Magic And Miracle: How Do One Differentiate Between Them? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:32pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
bobchigar: You should know why? When i was little in the late 70s magicians do go to television stations for shows only to be given stipends but today they're performing their magical acts in big arenas in the name of "CHURCH" where the audience will pay 10% of their monthly earnings for the show. Where are the magicians of those days? I'll leave you to solve the equation! 2 Likes |
Re: Magic And Miracle: How Do One Differentiate Between Them? by MrBrownJay1(m): 8:41pm On Sep 13, 2022 |
bobchigar: you are entitled to your own opinion but the existence of god is only obvious to people who have been brainwashed to believe that there is an invisible god in the sky, that needs their dedication AND money in order to fulfill their wishes (which often never happen) |
Re: Magic And Miracle: How Do One Differentiate Between Them? by Kobojunkie: 10:04pm On Sep 22, 2022 |
bobchigar:1. Well, it isn't what you call yourself but whose you are for me. If your source of power is pagan to me, then it is magic, however, if it is of God, then I call it a miracle. 2. Miracles aren't limited by location or place. Jesus Christ performed miracles everywhere He went, even in the midst of sinners and party goers. |
Re: Magic And Miracle: How Do One Differentiate Between Them? by dattaswami1: 2:25am On Sep 23, 2022 |
bobchigar: O Learned and Devoted Servants of God! Nobody opposes science because the fundamental concepts in science are based on practical experiments. Spiritual knowledge must also start at the basic level of the practical experience of miracles, which alone can convince atheists and scientists. Thus, the experience of miracles serves as the foundation of spiritual knowledge. The concept that God is unimaginable is stated in the Veda (Yato vāco, aprāpya manasā, Na medhayā, Naiṣā tarkeṇa etc.) and in the Gita (Māṃ tu veda na kaścana). So, no soul can ever know the true nature of God. That is why miracles play a crucial role in spirituality. Miracles have always been performed by several genuine God-men, but they have also been performed by several devilish black magicians. We are only concerned with the miracle and not the qualities of the performer of the miracle. When a scientific experiment is demonstrated by a demonstrator, we are only concerned with the experiment and not the qualities of the demonstrator. No matter who performs the miracle, it proves to the persons witnessing the miracle that an unimaginable power exists, which is not different from the unimaginable God Himself! It is only in view of this positive angle, that God allowed even devils to perform these unimaginable acts called miracles. The miracles allow all people in this world to recognize the existence of the unimaginable power or the unimaginable God. Ultimately, the source of the unimaginable events must be the unimaginable God Himself. Thus, miracles serve as the direct proof, based on perception for the existence of the unimaginable God. Of course, miracles only prove the existence of God. The nature of God always remains unimaginable. Most recently, Shri Satya Sai Baba performed a variety of miracles and fortunately, there are several recorded videos showing His performance of the miracles. The scriptures speak about the unimaginable God and unimaginable miracles are often exhibited by God-men. In spite of the clear existence of both the theoretical and the practical basis, the exact link between the concept of unimaginable God and the observed unimaginable miracles had not been clearly established by anybody, so far. The credit for the same goes to God Datta who established this fundamental link through the medium of this Datta Swami. With this link established, we can introduce the concept of unimaginable God on the basis of practically-experienced miracles. Miracles in spiritual knowledge, thus, serve the same function as practical experiments in science. They conclusively prove the theoretical concepts. Linking miracles to the theoretical spiritual concepts as the practical demonstration of spiritual concepts, formally makes them part of spiritual knowledge. When spirituality is equipped with this practical proof in the form of miracles, it becomes a systematic subject with the same reliability as science. Then nobody can speak anything against it, just as no body can speak against science today. Advantages of the Unimaginable God The advantages of recognizing that God is unimaginable are: (1) When God is known to be unimaginable, we realize that He cannot have any imaginable boundaries. So, there cannot be more than one unimaginable God and the concept of one God has to be accepted. (2) If instead, we were to take an imaginable item as God, that imaginable God would have specific imaginable boundaries. It brings in the possibility of multiple of Gods of different religions which, in turn, leads to quarrels between various religions. (3) Knowing God to be unimaginable, even when a certain person, who is an imaginable item, is seen to perform miracles, we can understand that He is a Human Incarnation. The unimaginable God has merged into His human medium and is performing the miracles through Him. It means that the different imaginable Gods of various religions are Incarnations of the same unimaginable God. They all performed unimaginable miracles because the single unimaginable God had merged with their media (bodies) to perform the miracles. Through this concept of the single unimaginable God, unity is established between the Gods of various religions. When unity is thus established at the highest level of the Gods of all religions, all the other following concepts of the religions are spontaneously unified. (4) Every religion says that its God created this Earth and humanity on it. But unfortunately, there is only one Earth, with only one humanity. This means that there must be only one unimaginable God, existing in the different forms (Incarnations) of God. Each Incarnation has a different external medium (body) and a different name, but the single unimaginable God is found merged in each. Sadguru Sai We know that Swami Vivekananda worked for the unity of religions. The same unity of religions was also the most fundamental goal of the divine program of the very recent Human Incarnation of God Datta, Shri Satya Sai Baba. All Human Incarnations of God Datta are famous for performing miracles. The excellent knowledge preached by Shri Satya Sai Baba differentiates Him from devilish black magicians who also perform miracles. The divine love that Baba had for His devotees is also seen in several incidents when Baba bore the suffering for the sins of His devotees on His own body. The divine knowledge given by an Incarnation like Shri Satya Sai Baba represents God Brahmā. The divine love showed by Him for His devotees represents God Viṣṇu. The miracles performed by Him represent God Śiva. Datta is the single God, who is seen as these three different Gods, when viewed from different angles. Shri Satya Sai Baba stressed greatly on pravṛtti, which is following justice and resisting sins. All human beings, in their old age, recall the various past incidents in their lives. They correlate their past actions and the fruits of those actions that they received later on. That analysis done by old people has established the strong belief in society that God’s divine administration delivers rewards and punishments to souls, even in this very world. This divine administration existing within the boundaries of human governments is referred to as the Kingdom of God by Jesus. The Kingdom of God is not somewhere else, but it is here itself, pervading all of humanity on Earth. Every Incarnation of God stressed on the pravṛtti of human beings, which is following justice and avoiding sins. Pravṛtti is the minimum and maximum expectation of God from humanity. Hence, pravṛtti is mandatory, whereas devotional life, known as nivṛtti, is optional. At the top most level, the absolute reality is the unimaginable God, known as Parabrahman. God Datta, the first Energetic Incarnation is the middle level. The base-level is the Human Incarnation like Shri Satya Sai. It is this concept that is conveyed by the following Sanskrit verse composed by Me. It is a verse expressing My reverence for the sacred chain of My Divine Preachers (Sadgurus): Parabrahma samārambhām, Śrī Dattātreya madhyamām, Śrī Satya Sāī paryantām, Vande Guru paramparām. Go to the following website and read the divine knowledge from there, -By Shri Datta Swami www.universal-spirituality[.]org Universal Spirituality for World Peace |
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