According to the bible, God can see the end from the beginning. Does it mean He already knew we would be black people born in a shit hole country and that buhari would be our president and that we will see shege?

And he's so cool with all of these? He even watches Boko haram and kidnappers kill innocent people and He can't defend us as our father.

Oh I forgot, the bible say we should be olodo and shouldn't reason like humans. Its alright �

#iykbethany #iykAnthony #iykanthonyfoundation

Righteousness2, you'll have a better answer I guess

iykbethany:
According to the bible, God can see the end from the beginning. Does it mean He already knew we would be black people born in a shit hole country and that buhari would be our president and that we will see shege?

And he's so cool with all of these? He even watches Boko haram and kidnappers kill innocent people and He can't defend us as our father.

Oh I forgot, the bible say we should be olodo and shouldn't reason like humans. Its alright �

You are getting it wrong. God sees the beginning and the end does not mean He made any race less human. He created every human with freedom of choice and created a consequence for every choice. Africa is suffering because of human choices towards Africa. Even in the same Bible, some nations suffered but their situations changes when they made a choice that could liberate them. Even America was suffering like Africa.

Irresponsible people blame their woeful condition on Gods and others. Responsible people don't wait for Gods!

And go read your Bible instead of making claims you have no evidence for. It just shows you are lazy and a bearer of false witness.

immortalcrown:
You are getting it wrong. God sees the beginning and the end does not mean He made any race less human. He created every human with freedom of choice and created a consequence for every choice. Africa is suffering because of human choices towards Africa. Even in the same Bible, some nations suffered but their situations changes when they made a choice that could liberate them. Even America was suffering like Africa.

i would argue this with you bro
theres nothing like free will here
nothing
religion
skin colour
family background etc
where is the free will

Snitch24:

i would argue this with you bro
theres nothing like free will here
nothing
religion
skin colour
family background etc
where is the free will

If God should let you decide your skin colour and family lineage, then He should also let you decide whether you should create yourself. And before you decide to create yourself, there must be you.

Religion is your choice. God does not choose religion for you.

I never said God gave human 100% freedom. I said He created man with freedom of choice.

immortalcrown:
If God should let you decide your skin colour and family lineage, then He should also let you decide whether you should create yourself. And before you decide to create yourself, there must be you.

Religion is your choice. God does not choose religion for you.

I never said God gave human 100% freedom. I said He created man with freedom of choice.

im sorry but the truth is that nothing is free
not even death

Snitch24:

im sorry but the truth is that nothing is free
not even death

What do you mean? Do you mean you have zero freedom? If yes, then you are my slave.

Nothing is absolutely free. Pay attention to the word in bold. But every human has a certain level of freedom. For example, you have the freedom to quote me and to respond to my comment.

immortalcrown:
What do you mean? Do you mean you have zero freedom? If yes, then you are my slave.

we are talking about God here bro

Snitch24:
we are talking about God here bro

I am not insulting you. I said that if you have zero freedom, it means you are a slave. I did not say you are a slave. I said If... Do not misunderstand the English. Meanwhile, read the comment again because I added something to it.

To prove to you that I am not angry and that I am not insulting you, let me use myself in the illustration. If I tell you I have zero freedom, it means I am your slave.

immortalcrown:
I am not insulting you. I said that if you have zero freedom, it means you are a slave. I did not say you are a slave. I said If... Do not misunderstand the English. Meanwhile, read the comment again because I added something to it.

To prove to you that I am not angry and that I am not insulting you, let me use myself in the illustration. If I tell you I have zero freedom, it means I am your slave.

wait are you saying all this was part of the plan

iykbethany:
According to the bible, God can see the end from the beginning. Does it mean He already knew we would be black people born in a shit hole country and that buhari would be our president and that we will see shege?

And he's so cool with all of these? He even watches Boko haram and kidnappers kill innocent people and He can't defend us as our father.

Oh I forgot, the bible say we should be olodo and shouldn't reason like humans. Its alright �

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Rather thank and praise GOD for making it possible for many over the course of history to be reconciled back to Himself, at great expense to Himself in the Person of the Lord YESHUA, THE CHRIST - to live eternally in HIS presence!

"For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now" - Romans 8:22

This world and all its troubles are temporary and passing away...

"For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind." - Isaiah 65:17


"For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us." - Romans 8:18

Chizzyjforce:
Righteousness2, you'll have a better answer I guess

The soul is given full freedom in choosing the right path or the wrong path (Svabhāvastu pravartate—Gita). God does not force souls to leave the wrong path and turn to the right path. Using logic, God fully explains to souls about both paths and the results of following each of them. It is the souls who must feel attracted towards the right path preached by God and follow it, using their own free will. Krishna only preached to Arjuna what the right direction in his situation was. After presenting the complete logic before Arjuna, Krishna finally told Arjuna to analyze whatever He had said thoroughly and make his own decision, using his own free will (Yathecchasi tathā kuru). Krishna could have just forced Arjuna to fight the war, even without preaching the Gita.

His mere will was sufficient to change the mind of Arjuna, in a fraction of a second. Then there would have been no need to preach all the eighteen chapters of the Gita! But God honors the free will that He Himself has granted to the soul. The change in the soul should not come through divine force. Instead, it should come through divine knowledge. It is for this reason that the soul must correctly grasp the concepts preached by God and assimilate them, in order to bring them into practice.

If the soul had no freedom and acted only as per the direction of God, the question posed by you would not even arise. The divine father, being greatly interested in the welfare of all the souls created by Him, would only direct them on the path of justice and they would all follow justice. Thus, there would only be peace and harmony in the world. In fact, such a situation actually existed for a very long time in the period called the Kṛta Yuga. But after that long time, souls got bored of always strictly following the directions given by God, without any freedom to choose what they wanted. So, they desired a free-will.

The divine father always aims at the pleasure of His children and hence, He granted them a free-will, using which they had full freedom to choose what they wanted. But God expected souls to use their free-will in a responsible manner, using the powerful intelligence given to them to discriminate between the right and wrong paths. He clearly explained to them about the right and wrong paths through the scriptures. Knowing that souls are likely to misunderstand or deliberately misinterpret His preaching, He has repeatedly incarnated in human form, to eliminate the doubts and misinterpretations and preach true spiritual knowledge to every generation. In His preaching, He stresses on souls following the right path, again and again.

God is the divine Father of all souls, whereas, you are only a brother or sister to other souls. You should realize that He is far more concerned about their welfare than you are and He wants all souls to return to the right path. But God will never violate the free-will that He Himself has granted to souls. Under these circumstances, there is no other way than to repeatedly preach to souls about following the correct path while, at the same time, giving them full freedom to choose what they want. The souls who follow His preaching progress spiritually, while those who reject His preaching do not. Souls who wish to change must choose to follow His guidance, using their own free will. There is no other alternative, under the circumstances.

immortalcrown:
If God should let you decide your skin colour and family lineage, then He should also let you decide whether you should create yourself. And before you decide to create yourself, there must be you.

Religion is your choice. God does not choose religion for you.

I never said God gave human 100% freedom. I said He created man with freedom of choice.

Freedom of choice yet he gave you the ability to sin, your god could have created you without the ability to sin.

Maynman:


Freedom of choice yet he gave you the ability to sin, your god could have created you without the ability to sin.

I have the ability to sin and the ability to avoid sin. I have the freedom to decide which ability I will use. So, what is your point?

Snitch24:
im sorry but the truth is that nothing is free
not even death

Death isn't free? Care to expand on that statement?

immortalcrown:
I have the ability to sin and the ability to avoid sin. I have the freedom to decide which ability I will use. So, what is your point?

Read it again slowly.
Freedom of choice yet he GAVE you the ability to sin, your god could have created you without the ability to sin.
You have specifically 2 hands, whose choice was it? You have sexual feelings, whose choice was it?
Where is the free will?

Kobojunkie:
Death isn't free? Care to expand on that statement?

we get punished if we decide to take our own life

Snitch24:
we get punished if we decide to take our own life

Punished for?

iykbethany:
According to the bible, God can see the end from the beginning. Does it mean He already knew we would be black people born in a shit hole country and that buhari would be our president and that we will see shege?

And he's so cool with all of these? He even watches Boko haram and kidnappers kill innocent people and He can't defend us as our father.

Oh I forgot, the bible say we should be olodo and shouldn't reason like humans. Its alright �

Did He not warn you people to stop being wicked and that if you plant wickedness you will harvest wickedness?

Now you people are harvesting the evils you planted, so don't disturb God O. He warned you all.

Snitch24:

i would argue this with you bro
theres nothing like free will here
nothing
religion
skin colour
family background etc
where is the free will

The free will of choosing to do only the things which are good and running away from doing those things which are wicked!

Eg refusing to sleep with people's wives and daughters, assisting the poor, being humble instead of proud etc

Snitch24:

im sorry but the truth is that nothing is free
not even death

The choice of choosing was free.

Maynman:
Read it again slowly. Freedom of choice yet he GAVE you the ability to sin, your god could have created you without the ability to sin.
You have specifically 2 hands, whose choice was it? You have sexual feelings, whose choice was it?
Where is the free will?

Creating you with only the ability to be holy means means you have no choice. It will mean you are not different from a robot. I do not mean to insult you but I think you have comprehension problem. I already explained that human does not have absolute (100%) freedom.

This is not a do or die affair. If you believe you have no freedom, suit yourself. As for me, I have freedom.

immortalcrown:
Creating you with only the ability to be holy means means you have no choice. It will mean you are not different from a robot. I do not mean to insult you but I think you have comprehension problem. I already explained that human does not have absolute (100%) freedom.

So he creates human to be holy and evil, yet complain when they act on it even after knowing they will act on it.
I do not mean to insult you but you lack basic common sense.

If you don’t have 100% freedom on the decision you make then where is the FREE WILL?

Maynman:

So he creates human to be holy and evil, yet complain when they act on it even after knowing they will act on it.
I do not mean to insult you but you lack basic common sense.

If you don’t have 100% freedom on the decision you make then where is the FREE WILL?

Suit yourself. As for me, I have freedom.

immortalcrown:
Suit yourself. As for me, I have freedom.

Freedom that will lead to what your deity already plans and knows.
You are just playing your script thinking you wrote it. Your deity already ended the movie and knows the end.
Proverb 16:4– The LORD has made everything for his own purposes, even the wicked for a day of disaster.

iykbethany:
According to the bible, God can see the end from the beginning. Does it mean He already knew we would be black people born in a shit hole country and that buhari would be our president and that we will see shege?

Here is how i look at the idea;
God is described as a being who abounds in knowledge. Something mere mortals may seem to lack.

Being able to see "the end from the beginning" will mean He sees the outcome(s) of our choice(s) when we make them. Say for example; I go to a bar and I had enough alcohol to knock me out. I pick up my car keys and I'm ready to drive back home.

What will be the outcome of having a drunk driver behind the wheel?
A sober person can draw up several possibilities and that is "seeing the end from the beginning"

A person has no power to choose;
1. Which family he is born into (rich or poor).
2. Which nationality he is born into.
3. Which race he is born into.
4. What genetic defect/advantage he will inherit.
5. Which religion he becomes adherent to (at least at the time of his birth)

Etc.

Did God choose these for such a person? In my opinion,no! These i believe like a lottery are gotten out of sheer luck.

And he's so cool with all of these? He even watches Boko haram and kidnappers kill innocent people and He can't defend us as our father.

Oh I forgot, the bible say we should be olodo and shouldn't reason like humans. Its alright �

God does not meddle in the affairs of men. Man makes his choice, man reaps the rewards/consequences.

Thanks.

iykbethany:
According to the bible, God can see the end from the beginning. Does it mean He already knew we would be black people born in a shit hole country and that buhari would be our president and that we will see shege?

And he's so cool with all of these? He even watches Boko haram and kidnappers kill innocent people and He can't defend us as our father.

Oh I forgot, the bible say we should be olodo and shouldn't reason like humans. Its alright �

That is what end times means! Now it's time to eat the fruit of your farm.

Someoneschild2:


Here is how i look at the idea;
God is described as a being who abounds in knowledge. Something mere mortals may seem to lack.

Being able to see "the end from the beginning" will mean He sees the outcome(s) of our choice(s) when we make them. Say for example; I go to a bar and I had enough alcohol to knock me out. I pick up my car keys and I'm ready to drive back home.

What will be the outcome of having a drunk driver behind the wheel?

Perfect!

Someoneschild2:

A person has no power to choose;
1. Which family he is born into (rich or poor).
2. Which nationality he is born into.
3. Which race he is born into.
4. What genetic defect/advantage he will inherit.
5. Which religion he becomes adherent to (at least at the time of his birth)

Etc.

Did God choose these for such a person? I can't say because that will snowball into a different kind of argument altogether but i hope you see my point.

You can only that you are afraid of knowing the Truth Full Answer.

Can an iPhone choose the country, family and race it would end up in?

That is why we are creations exactly as the iPhone. You will be wherever your Creator places you.

iykbethany:
According to the bible, God can see the end from the beginning. Does it mean He already knew we would be black people born in a shit hole country and that buhari would be our president and that we will see shege?

And he's so cool with all of these? He even watches Boko haram and kidnappers kill innocent people and He can't defend us as our father.

Oh I forgot, the bible say we should be olodo and shouldn't reason like humans. Its alright �

I would have taken my time to address your insinuations but, your thoughts are misguided and uncoordinated. You have a misconception of your being, race, your society and good things around you. Above all, a wrong notion of God and his ways.

It makes no sensible meaning to supply a logical answers to illogical questions.

Dtruthspeaker:


You can only that you are afraid of knowing the Truth Full Answer.

Can an iPhone choose the country, family and race it would end up in?

That is why we are creations exactly as the iPhone. You will be wherever your Creator places you.

I expected this analogy. Going by it;

God who is a "loving father" will choose to place a child in a family stricken by abject poverty where it is highly probable that such child will suffer malnourishment and possibly starvation.

or

A war torn community where it is highly a possibility of being hit by bomb blasts or bullets.

Or

A community suffering one of the numerous natural disasters where the chances of survival are almost insignificant.

Tell me, the children who have died of the many wars initiated by human beings are so because "the creator placed them there?"

Funny how you use non- living things to compare with living things.

Someoneschild2:

people find it very much easy to see other things and other people but when it comes to looking at themselves, I see them not wanting to as it has been said "people do not like looking at themselves"

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I expected this analogy. Going by it;

God who is a "loving father" will choose to place a child in a family stricken by abject poverty where it is highly probable that such child will suffer malnourishment and possibly starvation.

or

A war torn community where it is highly a possibility of being hit by bomb blasts or bullets.

Or

A community suffering one of the numerous natural disasters where the chances of survival are almost insignificant.

Tell me, the children who have died of the many wars initiated by human beings are so because "the creator placed them there?"

First of, beyond all reasonable doubt, the iPhone creators are not sitting down setting which location every iPhone is going to. All it takes is that the creators have purposed that the iPhone should be fill the earth. And it is done.

Secondly, on the love issue, without a doubt God made the whole earth good. No poverty, No war and No natural disaster.

But as your "drunk driving" example captured, HE HAD WARNED, TIMELESSLY, GENERATION AFTER GENERATION AND FINALLY HE STOPPED TALKING, "DO NOT TAKE ALCOHOL" And yet as the disobedient, stupid and stubborn people that man is, you never listen but disobeyed and continued to disobey.

So why would there not be an accident?
Which kills another person both drunkard or non drunkard?
Which makes a family lose their loved one or loved ones?
Which made a spouse or parent die of heart attack at hearing the news?
Which made his wicked family members to take the opportunity of his drunken/driving/accident to take his properties and throw his direct family out, making them homeless, hungry and destitute.

All this happening just because of one what you would call a small disobedience.

That is what is called a Domino Effect of the act or inaction of one person.

So this has nothing to do with God's love for all these things are foreseeable exactly as putting water in the engine oil tank of a car and expecting to travel with it from Effurun to Jebba then you want to blame the car maker.

No reasonable person does that. All blame lies on the idiot who put water in the engine/drank alcohol and drove.

So is Man is the architect of his evil fortune who destroyed himself, his family, his neighbour and their families and his land. It was man himself who did all that!