tsiriman:


I think this Jinko and Pylontech are lithium ion batteries not lithium ion phosphate.
Look at their size, which lithium ion phosphate cells can fit into these units?
They are lithium ion.

Valto:
dont be deceived by the picture. it is lifepo4, just that they mostly use 50 or 100ah cells and it might be laid flat.

tsiriman:


I think this Jinko and Pylontech are lithium ion batteries not lithium ion phosphate.
Look at their size, which lithium ion phosphate cells can fit into these units?
They are lithium ion.

Malevonent:


why would i go back to my vomit?..wasting scarce resources to buy and test a product that has been confirmed to be fradulent??. the onus is on you guys defending them to buy , open and post internal pictures, then do a capacity test to confirm they have repented.

felicity, wakatech and the rest of the packaged lithium battery packs flooding the nigerian market, are cheap for a reason, you can continue living in denial, your choice

earthrealm:

microgiant:


No2. on the list if LIFEPO4 for short

No7. is Li-ion

difference is IRON and ION

and the second is the one making many folks to avoid Lithium batteries, aka dangerous fire starter culprit

microgiant:


It is quite sad to note that most electronics and automobiles being sold in Nigeria (also East & West Africa) are substandard. Nigeria does not have an effective monitoring system. This became quite prevalent when electronics and parts started coming from Taiwan, then later China. LG have different products for Africa (especially West/East), and Japan recently joined in the party. Are you aware that despite the digital switch over from analogue to digital TV, most latest LED HD UHD TVs being sold (even by LG & Samsung) in Nigeria come with analogue tuners? A country like Australia has a pan Australian Warranty of 2-years. Irrespective of you giving warranty on not, once an electrical or electronic item develops fault under 2years post purchase, you either replace for the buyer or make full refund. Have you ever heard that vehicles were recalled in Nigeria because of factory fault/defects. It is one of the reason most people prefer to buy American used vehicles and those who can afford purchase new cars from there and ship to Nigeria.

The same applies to packaged LIFEPO4 batteries from China. I remember around 2015/16 a seller (can't remember if it was Zeestone) here wanted to sell packaged LIFEPO4, he was disappointed after testing the sample.

FEGEITOK:


You may want to consider Panasonic Chest Freezer in particular
CH150 Panasonic 150 ltr Chest Freezer whose price range is between ₦90,000.00 and ₦120,000.00.

If you don't mind spending much more then get their 500L or 750L tall fridge/freezer combos, the 500L will set you back north of 300,000.00 while the 750L will set you back north of 400,000.00

But then you are assured you spend good money to buy a product that is guaranteed to work very well for the next 7 to 10 years without issues.

The truth is that the Nigerian economy is in reverse gear, and very few of us can afford to buy based on quality, the majority buy based on price, so the sellers supply/market what will move

zeestone99:


I never sold any repackaged lifepo4 battery. I sold meritsun and narada. Why mention what you are not sure of?

microgiant:

I remember around 2015/16 a seller (can't remember if it was Zeestone) here wanted to sell packaged LIFEPO4, he was disappointed after testing the sample.

S007:
Pls does anybody know of a very good brand of chest or upright freezer?

A popular local brand I got few years ago just packed up. I decided to visit their showroom to get a replacement but to my astonishment, I discovered they are now selling generic China made products rebranded with their own brand name.
They obviously decided to throw their reputation and quality to the gutter for monetary gains.

Trippledots:


Abeg name the brand that has gone awol o...

mctfopt:


Guessing Thermocool

S007:


You guessed right bro.

I did not want to derail the thread. My earlier post was a subtle cry out for help.

...... I was trying to get a new freezer as replacement for the 'kaput' one. I decided to first go to the mall to get a few things and also use the opportunity to look at some freezers in a store that sells many brands.
A particular one caught my attention. Same size as the one I want but everything about it looks substandard. It had a Chinese name at the front which I did not even bother to note.
I proceeded to the thermocool showroom which was just five minutes drive to the mall. I went to where they have standing freezer and to my astonishment, I saw exactly the same freezer I was looking at few minutes ago with haier thermocool logo in front.
That was when I realized that our much beloved brand is far gone.

Funny enough, the one I bought fifteen years ago is still working like new and has never been touched by any repair man

mank1234:
The story of naija. Newclime (NEW), Thermocool, Peugeot... quality all gone. We have lost so many quality companies to bad governance.

mctfopt:


Guessing Thermocool

ojeysky:


You mean thermocool no longer exist in the country?

earthrealm:


I think you guys are mixing terms or using them wrongly.

The link below explains the various types of lithium chemistry.

https://batteryuniversity.com/article/bu-205-types-of-lithium-ion

microgiant:


Sorry boss, for mentioning your name, but I never said you sold any fake or substandard Lithium Battery to any body.

I was just giving an example, because the Lithium journey on this thread started with some coupling 18250 cell and posting the pictures. So people found out there were already coupled batteries on sale, and requested if the sellers could not make it available. One seller hinted that he is experimenting on one at the time, and asked people to hold on. He was disappointed and came back to tell people to forget about it. He NEVER SOLD any of the batteries.

coldcandy:

I have been following this discussion and nobody has called anyone names.
I have watched the original YouTube video that exposed the "fraud" by Felicity. What I am hoping to learn is that if that was a glitch (a defective batch) and why were they not recalled like they do with motor vehicles or is it Felicity company policy to consistently and fraudulently over-rate their batteries?
It will add to body of knowledge if an expert like you have done a capacity test on recently manufactured Felicity battery.

ceaser:

Why not just put 10kwh nameplate on actual 10kwh and sell it as the price they still sell it.

Valto:
because Nigerians wants to buy high quality/real capacity at low prices. almost all the lithium battery company in Nigeria are towing the same line.

ceaser:


What I have come to realise is that Nigerians are pliable so much that once they realize that they can't get compromised quality at any place, they'll definitely look for the money to get the real quality. The problem is sellers/manufacturers that make "substandard" option available because they want to quickly sell market. Another reason is sellers that put insanely high profit margins on authentic products thereby discouraging overwhelming patronage. In saner climes, a cap is always placed on profits you are expected to make on any services offered.

earthrealm:


You made valid points.
However this issue of insane profits may not be true at all times.
Example a 280ah brand new grade a eve cell is about 110usd in china...add freight of about 15usd to 20usd per cell ,plus 2 to 5months duration before you get the cells. +Risk of total loss, should anything happen to the ship in the high seas, the forwarder will likely not offer any repayment+ flunctuating value of naira vs dollar

1. Question 1 -- what do you think is a fair price to sell that 1 cell in naira?

2. Question 2--- if you go ahead to build a battery pack with 16 pieces of these cell+bms+ decent metal case etc, to give u 14kwh pack. How much do you think is a fair price.

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earthrealm:


You made valid points.
However this issue of insane profits may not be true at all times.
Example a 280ah brand new grade a eve cell is about 110usd in china...add freight of about 15usd to 20usd per cell ,plus 2 to 5months duration before you get the cells. +Risk of total loss, should anything happen to the ship in the high seas, the forwarder will likely not offer any repayment+ flunctuating value of naira vs dollar

1. Question 1 -- what do you think is a fair price to sell that 1 cell in naira?

2. Question 2--- if you go ahead to build a battery pack with 16 pieces of these cell+bms+ decent metal case etc, to give u 14kwh pack. How much do you think is a fair price.

zeestone99:


Many people want to judge what a fair price should be but are gainfully employed in companies that inflate prices when dealing with their clients or get government contracts at over inflated prices.

Valto:
true talk. eve 280ah @110$ + frieght 20$=130$ x 735/$=95,550 per cell. not calculating the 4months wait, if u decide to sell 115k or 120k each. some people will still say price is inflated.