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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp2018: 8:31pm On Oct 08, 2022
Mitchell Targaryen
@Ambrosia_Ijebu
Kenya has 54million people. The have no oil exports worth noting. They import most of their fuel. Their economy is heavily driven by agriculture. And yet they have low interest rates , manageable inflation and a stable exchange rate.

Don’t you people wonder why?

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by kikuyu1(m): 9:12pm On Oct 08, 2022
rvp2018:
Yes Kibaki was able to cut on borrowing by selling SOES - to finance deficit; This is what we need to do;Next year budget for example; instead of borrowing 800B - we can target to sell SOES for 200B (few jewels like Safaricom, Kengen, KCB) - and borrow the 600B instead.

Exactly! I'm not saying let's fire sale the family jewels- HELL NO!! Let's not send the wrong message: instead let's reduce gov shareholding in some SOEs in exchange for a couple of billion dollars which will be well spent.
Again I stress we're not NEARLY as badly off as the Waffas and have enough manoeuvre room and smart policy guys to make smart moves.

Edit: Also a srs state capture enquiry can get a couple billion. I don't want to throw out unproven figures but it's known UK made minimum of 2 bn$ in his term from rent seeking, kickbacks, influence peddling and corruption like Sportpesa. How much would you value that deal alone?
That unbridled greed and hubris permeated every sector. Eg, all the trucks transporting Turkana oil are his!
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by vankelvin: 9:16pm On Oct 08, 2022
rvp2018:
Mitchell Targaryen
@Ambrosia_Ijebu
Kenya has 54million people. The have no oil exports worth noting. They import most of their fuel. Their economy is heavily driven by agriculture. And yet they have low interest rates , manageable inflation and a stable exchange rate.

Don’t you people wonder why?
Your population is no more 47Million? confused people

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp2018: 9:17pm On Oct 08, 2022
That is all you saw smiley - you didnt see single digit inflation, interest rate, and stable currency. Kenya population now is about 50-51 million.
vankelvin:

Your pupolation is no more 47Million? confused people
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp2018: 9:18pm On Oct 08, 2022
Yes I think we need to sell a few once in a while - exit where gov really doesnt add any more value - like KCB or Safaricom.
kikuyu1:

Exactly! I'm not saying let's fire sale the family jewels- HELL NO!! Let's not send the wrong message: instead let's reduce gov shareholding in some SOEs in exchange for a couple of billion dollars which will be well spent.
Again I stress we're not NEARLY as badly off as the Waffas and have enough manoeuvre room and smart policy guys to make smart moves.

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by vankelvin: 9:20pm On Oct 08, 2022
rvp2018:
That is all you saw smiley - you didnt see single digit inflation, interest rate, and stable currency.
Kenya population now is about 50-51 million.
As if what I will say will make any difference to you
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by kikuyu1(m): 9:26pm On Oct 08, 2022
rvp2018:
Nairobi Eastleigh - one biggest somali type mall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC5m2ZlL_Nk&t=165s

Mzee umesahau? The Kenyattas somehow got their hands on this. Mama Ngina herself was seen there late last yr with a Turkish construction crew. This yr UK's eldest Jomo was seen making a tour.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by obaaderemi: 9:33pm On Oct 08, 2022
rvp2018:
Splitting hairs. USD was around 115 then - and that rounds up to 20B. If we apply the Nigeria black market rate to your revenues smiley - they will be next to nothing.
Last year - Nigeria federal revenue - N3.93 trillion divided by 750 - is it 5B dollars smiley smiley - official rate (420 naira to a dollar?) is like 10B;
The ZOO - is collecting 10B dollars annually - to manage 200M people.
Let assume at best the 36 states also try to collect 5B!

Zoogeria need jesus.
You keep exposing your foolishness. But I guess you've lost all modicum of honour and self-respect that you no longer care wether you appear foolish or not.

How can Nigeria generate only $3.93bn as revenue for a whole year?

The saddest part is how you lead the other little Indians here by the nose and how they all fall at your feet, including the old druggie.

This is for crude oil revenue alone:

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by obaaderemi: 9:36pm On Oct 08, 2022
vankelvin:
Your population is no more 47Million? confused people
grin
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by obaaderemi: 9:39pm On Oct 08, 2022
rvp2018:
Debt is not repaid by GDP - it's repaid by gov revenues - which Kenya gov has - and Nigeria doesnt.
And yet you're listed among countries likely to default and Nigeria is not. Clap for yourself. Olodo.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by obaaderemi: 9:48pm On Oct 08, 2022
GeneralDae2:

I am now really tempted to believe Kenyans here don't know what's going on in their country or is it just me?
Most of the little Indians you see here are not very enlightened. So, you were not far from the truth when you said they might not know what's going on in their country.

Remember when I showed them how much their country had fallen down the Hdi table, they thought I was lying. Their leader posted a 2019 list to counter the 2022 list. The transgendered supported him blindly and even the druggie also believed his nonsense. They clearly don't know much Beyond what we teach them here. That's why they are stuck to nairaland.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Mkenya2019: 9:54pm On Oct 08, 2022
Obaboon - that gross oil revenue - what eventually get to gov coffers (net revenue) is very miniscule - as they are expenses. Your ZOO Oil production has dropped from 2 million barrels per day to now a bout a million smiley smiley

Nigeria’s crude oil revenue jumped to N11tn in the first six months of 2022, according to the latest data from the National Bureau of Statistics’ Foreign Trade Statistics for the second quarter of 202

obaaderemi:
You keep exposing your foolishness. But I guess you've lost all modicum of honour and self-respect that you no longer care wether you appear foolish or not.

How can Nigeria generate only $3.93bn as revenue for a whole year?

The saddest part is how you lead the other little Indians here by the nose and how they all fall at your feet, including the old druggie.

This is for crude oil revenue alone:
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Mkenya2019: 9:57pm On Oct 08, 2022
Possible. But know how Somalis operate - they cant hack it.
kikuyu1:


Mzee umesahau? The Kenyattas somehow got their hands on this. Mama Ngina herself was seen there late last yr with a Turkish construction crew. This yr UK's eldest Jomo was seen making a tour.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by obaaderemi: 10:06pm On Oct 08, 2022
Mkenya2019:
Obaboon - that gross oil revenue - what eventually get to gov coffers (net revenue) is very miniscule - as they are expenses. Your ZOO Oil production has dropped from 2 million barrels per day to now a bout a million smiley smiley

Nigeria’s crude oil revenue jumped to N11tn in the first six months of 2022, according to the latest data from the National Bureau of Statistics’ Foreign Trade Statistics for the second quarter of 202

When you start your insults, I know you are in great pain. wink Show us any link to support your asinine claim that Nigeria made #3.96tr only in 2021. Olodo.

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Mkenya2019: 10:11pm On Oct 08, 2022
I already did. My calculation was based on reported revenues.
https://tribuneonlineng.com/nigeria-lost-n4-2-trillion-crude-oil-revenue-in-6-months/

In six months - you earnt 3.8B dollars - for full year expect about 6B dollars - then add little you collect in the ZOOOO. The oil production (gross) will be about 30-40 dollars

Youre in the post default state - a zoo that spend nothing on everything - gov just exist - little social investment - little infrastructure - little investment in anything - gov just exist in name - it like somalia or burundi or chad or niger - with a private sector.

Consequently, with the average crude oil price for the month at $86.5 per barrel, the country only earned $3.757 billion as crude oil revenue, instead of $4.51bn, thus forfeiting $756 million. 
https://tribuneonlineng.com/nigeria-lost-n4-2-trillion-crude-oil-revenue-in-6-months/


obaaderemi:
When you start your insults, I know you are in great pain. wink Show us any link to support your asinine claim that Nigeria made #3.96tr only in 2021. Olodo.

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by GeneralDae: 11:09pm On Oct 08, 2022
Mkenya2019:
Obaboon - that gross oil revenue - what eventually get to gov coffers (net revenue) is very miniscule - as they are expenses. Your ZOO Oil production has dropped from 2 million barrels per day to now a bout a million smiley smiley

Nigeria’s crude oil revenue jumped to N11tn in the first six months of 2022, according to the latest data from the National Bureau of Statistics’ Foreign Trade Statistics for the second quarter of 202

So what was the net revenue?
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by GeneralDae: 11:14pm On Oct 08, 2022
Nigerian current account balance for first 6 months 2022. 7.7 Billion dollars.

https://nairametrics.com/2022/10/05/nigerias-current-account-balance-rises-to-9-year-high-of-7-7-billion-in-h1-2022/
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by GeneralDae: 11:29pm On Oct 08, 2022
Mkenya2019:
I already did. My calculation was based on reported revenues.
https://tribuneonlineng.com/nigeria-lost-n4-2-trillion-crude-oil-revenue-in-6-months/

In six months - you earnt 3.8B dollars - for full year expect about 6B dollars - then add little you collect in the ZOOOO. The oil production (gross) will be about 30-40 dollars

Youre in the post default state - a zoo that spend nothing on everything - gov just exist - little social investment - little infrastructure - little investment in anything - gov just exist in name - it like somalia or burundi or chad or niger - with a private sector.

Consequently, with the average crude oil price for the month at $86.5 per barrel, the country only earned $3.757 billion as crude oil revenue, instead of $4.51bn, thus forfeiting $756 million. 
https://tribuneonlineng.com/nigeria-lost-n4-2-trillion-crude-oil-revenue-in-6-months/


Nigeria still made it's own share of gains in H1 2022 though. According to Nairametrics:

Nigeria recorded a crude oil export of $27.8 billion in H1 2022, a 37.7% increase when compared to $20.16 billion recorded in the second half of 2021 and an 85.1% increase from $14.99 billion recorded in the corresponding period.
In the same vein, gas export earnings in the period under review increased by 40.7% year-on-year to stand at $3.81 billion.


So at least Nigeria still made more crude exports than same period 2021. Though this could have been far much more.

If you ask me, I'll say:

Nigeria is poised to make close to 70 Billion dollars in exports this year ( which may only be less than that of South Africa as usual). In 2021, South Africa was top with about 75 billion dollars in exports. Nigeria was second with 47 Billion dollars and Egypt third with around 35 Billion dollars.

In terms of Diaspora inflow (Jan-June) 2022.

Nigerians received $10.11 billion as diaspora remittances between January and June 2022, representing a 9.6% increase compared to $9.23 billion received in the corresponding period of 2021.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Mkenya2019: 7:41am On Oct 09, 2022
When it come to gov revenues - South Africa collects more than 90B taxes - at national level - Nigeria less than 10B. That is what matters. Not dollars of oil exported by Shell and others.
GeneralDae:

Nigeria still made it's own share of gains in H1 2022 though. According to Nairametrics:

Nigeria recorded a crude oil export of $27.8 billion in H1 2022, a 37.7% increase when compared to $20.16 billion recorded in the second half of 2021 and an 85.1% increase from $14.99 billion recorded in the corresponding period.
In the same vein, gas export earnings in the period under review increased by 40.7% year-on-year to stand at $3.81 billion.


So at least Nigeria still made more crude exports than same period 2021. Though this could have been far much more.

If you ask me, I'll say:

Nigeria is poised to make close to 70 Billion dollars in exports this year ( which may only be less than that of South Africa as usual). In 2021, South Africa was top with about 75 billion dollars in exports. Nigeria was second with 47 Billion dollars and Egypt third with around 35 Billion dollars.

In terms of Diaspora inflow (Jan-June) 2022.

Nigerians received $10.11 billion as diaspora remittances between January and June 2022, representing a 9.6% increase compared to $9.23 billion received in the corresponding period of 2021.




Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by GeneralDae2: 7:55am On Oct 09, 2022
Mkenya2019:
When it come to gov revenues - South Africa collects more than 90B taxes - at national level - Nigeria less than 10B. That is what matters. Not dollars of oil exported by Shell and others.
Sometimes I don't know where you get these numbers from.

Nigeria recorded a total tax collection of about N8.8 trillion in 2020 translating to a tax to GDP ratio of 6.1%. Total taxes collected include oil and non-oil tax plus taxes collected by states

8.8 trillion Naira as at 2020 was about 22 Billion dollars. Now taxes have increased even though exchange rate in 2022 is at an average of 420 naira.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Mkenya2019: 8:00am On Oct 09, 2022
I get them from internetsmiley - Jan 28, 2022 — ABUJA, Jan 27 (Reuters) – Nigeria's tax receipts in 2021 rose by 29.4% to 6.41 trillion naira ($15.5 billion), the head of Federal Inland ...

Yeah 20B is about where Kenya is - not so shabby for a country of 200m people.

GeneralDae2:

Sometimes I don't know where you get these numbers from.

Nigeria recorded a total tax collection of about N8.8 trillion in 2020 translating to a tax to GDP ratio of 6.1%. Total taxes collected include oil and non-oil tax plus taxes collected by states

8.8 trillion Naira as at 2020 was about 22 Billion dollars. Now taxes have increased even though exchange rate in 2022 is at an average of 420 naira.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by GeneralDae2: 8:03am On Oct 09, 2022
Mkenya2019:
I get them from internetsmiley - Jan 28, 2022 — ABUJA, Jan 27 (Reuters) – Nigeria's tax receipts in 2021 rose by 29.4% to 6.41 trillion naira ($15.5 billion), the head of Federal Inland ...

Yeah 20B is about where Kenya is - not so shabby for a country of 200m people.

That's just federal tax, state collect taxes too. Nigeria is a Federal Republic.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Mkenya2019: 8:04am On Oct 09, 2022
Yes but Lagos and maybe cross-river states are only ones that collect some significant taxes - the rest are useless.

Lagos state has the highest Internally Generated Revenue with N267,232,774,434.06 in H1 2021, followed by FCT with N69,072,879,664.43 and Rivers state with N57,324,672,372.42. While Yobe state with N4,031,033,046.55 recorded the least.

So Lagos collected maybe 500-600B naira for whole of 2021. The others are struggling FCT 150B; Cross 120B;

The 36 States and FCT Internally Generated Revenue amounted to N849,123,384,003.55 in H1 2021. In

So give and take - they collected 1.8 trillion Naira.

I am not sure if this include oil revenue - or how is that handled?

GeneralDae2:

That's just federal tax. State collect taxes too. Nigeria is federal.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by GeneralDae2: 8:06am On Oct 09, 2022
Mkenya2019:
Yes but Lagos and maybe cross-river states are only ones that collect some significant taxes - the rest are useless.
So you agree total taxes is not 15 Billion dollars like you wrongly quoted?
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Mkenya2019: 8:07am On Oct 09, 2022
If we use the black market dollar rate smiley
GeneralDae2:

So you agree total taxes is not 15 Billion dollars like you wrongly quoted?
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by GeneralDae2: 8:09am On Oct 09, 2022
Mkenya2019:
If we use the black market dollar rate smiley
Why should you use the black market dollar rate? The official rates are what are always recognised internationally.
Afterall the central bank of Nigeria spends billions of dollars in forex defending that official rate.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Mkenya2019: 8:11am On Oct 09, 2022
The difference is like day and night - ₦ 735 versus 440. That mean the Zoo is very sick and your gov is desperate to hide the extent of the rot.
GeneralDae2:

Why should you use the black market dollar rate? The official rates are what are always recognised internationally.

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by GeneralDae2: 8:13am On Oct 09, 2022
Mkenya2019:
The difference is like day and night - ₦ 735 versus 440. That mean the Zoo is very sick and your gov is desperate to hide the extent of the rot.
We defend that official rate by injecting hundreds of millions of dollars every week in the forex market from our reserves. Your country can't survive that.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by obaaderemi: 8:15am On Oct 09, 2022
Mkenya2019:
I already did. My calculation was based on reported revenues.
https://tribuneonlineng.com/nigeria-lost-n4-2-trillion-crude-oil-revenue-in-6-months/

In six months - you earnt 3.8B dollars - for full year expect about 6B dollars - then add little you collect in the ZOOOO. The oil production (gross) will be about 30-40 dollars

Youre in the post default state - a zoo that spend nothing on everything - gov just exist - little social investment - little infrastructure - little investment in anything - gov just exist in name - it like somalia or burundi or chad or niger - with a private sector.

Consequently, with the average crude oil price for the month at $86.5 per barrel, the country only earned $3.757 billion as crude oil revenue, instead of $4.51bn, thus forfeiting $756 million. 
https://tribuneonlineng.com/nigeria-lost-n4-2-trillion-crude-oil-revenue-in-6-months/


You are known for pulling numbers from your ass and getting angry when busted.

You failed to bring any link to prove your #3tr claim. Last full financial year, tax was #6.6tr according to FIRS. That translates to $15bn.
That's for federal alone. We've not added from the 36 states led by Lagos, which doesn't joke with taxation. Kenya is a stupid joke, my boy.

Despite the fact that last year had a lot of upheavals economically for Nigeria.Endsars, covid, etc. So, I wonder where you got your #3tr figure from.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Mkenya2019: 8:15am On Oct 09, 2022
Youre wasting dollars enriching a few fatcats - while enslaving the rest of the country. It's time to devalue Naira. If the difference was small - it understandable. But unoffical rate is like twice the official rate.
GeneralDae2:

We defend that official rate by paying millions of dollars every week in the foreign market from our reserves. Your country can't survive that.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Mkenya2019: 8:19am On Oct 09, 2022
Obaboon...oil revenues came to 3.5billion half year according to that site.
Revenues - IFRS - we have seen - 6.5 trillion Naira last year.
All the 36 states - collected 800B naira for H1 - so full year maybe max of 2 trillion.
Let even add Local Authorities to the equation - maybe another trillion
So max is about 9 trillion Naira.
If we use the black market rate - we are talking 12B dollars smiley
If we use the official rate - about 20B dollars.
That is like Kenya -
Despite all that OIL and 200M naira.
THE ZOO
obaaderemi:
You are known for pulling numbers from your ass and getting angry when busted.

You failed to bring any link to prove your #3tr claim. Last full financial year, tax was #6.6tr according to FIRS. That translates to $15bn.
That's for federal alone. We've not added from the 36 states led by Lagos, which doesn't joke with taxation. We should be looking at close to$30bn. Kenya is a stupid joke, my boy.

Despite the fact that last year had a lot of upheavals economically for Nigeria.Endsars, covid, etc. So, I wonder where you got your #3tr figure from.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by GeneralDae2: 8:19am On Oct 09, 2022
Mkenya2019:
Youre wasting dollars enriching a few fatcats - while enslaving the rest of the country. It's time to devalue Naira. If the difference was small - it understandable. But unoffical rate is like twice the official rate.
We would do that but we import PMS for almost 200 million people and also pay subsidy again for same amount of people. When we clear just that single bottleneck then we'll do that.

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