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Re: Who Told You That You Were Naked? by EgenaT: 10:16am On Oct 10, 2022 |
If God is d creator of everything, how can d devil he created be his adversary? �� |
Re: Who Told You That You Were Naked? by LordReed(m): 10:39am On Oct 10, 2022 |
EgenaT: Good question. |
Re: Who Told You That You Were Naked? by NNTR: 11:05am On Oct 10, 2022 |
BluntTheApostle:God has never experienced failure BluntTheApostle:The flood story, and the situation with the Israelites in the Bible are not failures, attributed to God (i.e. are not caused by God) BluntTheApostle:Smh, what did I just read here said about God BluntTheApostle:Why dont you put forward and present a better plan BluntTheApostle:Your point is not worthy for any discussion, simply because without God, in the person of Jesus Christ, stepping forward, then the act of atonement wont happen, and consequently the plan of redemption, salvation and reconciliation too wouldn't have been possible. BluntTheApostle:Creativity is encouraged. Ut doesn't wait for that perfect moment and so Adam, a creativity, formulated from an innovative and creative in thinking mind, was given every right, bar one, same as God's. What could be more fairer than doing that. Huh? The kind of choice you arguing here about stifles creativity. The moment you recognise that rule(s) are set for a purpose(s), the better you'll see all these matters clearly under that light Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
Re: Who Told You That You Were Naked? by NNTR: 11:21am On Oct 10, 2022 |
americanigga:Machiavellian manoeuvres? Underperformance? Squandered their potential? Indifference? Treachery? Faithlessness? Backstabbing? Twisted ambition? Dishonesty? The list goes on Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
Re: Who Told You That You Were Naked? by Kobojunkie: 2:17pm On Oct 10, 2022 |
LordReed: ![]() Again, your question does not make any sense given the topic and discussion. ![]() |
Re: Who Told You That You Were Naked? by Kobojunkie: 2:21pm On Oct 10, 2022 |
EgenaT:God is creator of everything means God also created that which we call Evil. God is sovereign means God uses Evil in accomplishing His Will. ![]() God offered Adam a choice between obedience(good) and disobedience(evil) and Adam chose the way of disobedience(evil). ![]() |
Re: Who Told You That You Were Naked? by Kobojunkie: 2:37pm On Oct 10, 2022 |
americanigga:First of all, why do you assume they did not pass the temptation? ![]() If you consider it carefully, what we call temptation is usually not a pass or fail issue, but a choice. You are typically presented with two options- good and evil - and you weigh both to decide which you believe is best for you, and then register your choice using by the action that follows. In your mind, you are typically aware which is the "good" and "evil" of the choices before you, so at the point where your choice is registered, you are already fully aware of what you have done. So, really it isn't a pass of fail with all temptation. ![]() From the story, Adam and Eve made a choice to disobey God. They were overwhelmed in any way or form by the choice they had to make. They decided of their own to go it alone, against God.. ![]() |
Re: Who Told You That You Were Naked? by LordReed(m): 2:50pm On Oct 10, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: That means the 2nd part of your initial response made no sense then. thanks for clearing that up. LoLz. |
Re: Who Told You That You Were Naked? by Kobojunkie: 2:56pm On Oct 10, 2022 |
LordReed:Ok ![]() |
Re: Who Told You That You Were Naked? by Rufii(m): 3:43pm On Oct 10, 2022 |
Before anyone think of evils, God already know so why didn't he stopped the sapient from deceiving Eve? |
Re: Who Told You That You Were Naked? by Kobojunkie: 3:49pm On Oct 10, 2022 |
Rufii:Convenient excuse there, right? ![]() |
Re: Who Told You That You Were Naked? by blueAgent(m): 7:07am On Oct 11, 2022 |
BluntTheApostle: God does not send ppl to eternal hell. That's Bible misinterpretation. https://www.nairaland.com/6326489/understanding-facts-truth-hellfire |
Re: Who Told You That You Were Naked? by BluntTheApostle(m): 7:10am On Oct 11, 2022 |
blueAgent: I am not talking about hell fire, but DAMNATION (the second death). |
Re: Who Told You That You Were Naked? by BluntTheApostle(m): 7:12am On Oct 11, 2022 |
Rufii: Better don't mind these people. |
Re: Who Told You That You Were Naked? by blueAgent(m): 7:19am On Oct 11, 2022 |
BluntTheApostle: I don't understand, You mean God should let sinners go without punishment? |
Re: Who Told You That You Were Naked? by Kobojunkie: 3:45pm On Oct 11, 2022 |
blueAgent:Interesting claim! ![]() You are saying that the greek manuscripts got it entirely wrong that the fire would be eternal - eonian? ![]()
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Re: Who Told You That You Were Naked? by Kobojunkie: 3:46pm On Oct 11, 2022 |
BluntTheApostle:The second Death is Eternal Damnation. The First Death as described in Genesis 3 vs 19 -22 insists that unbelievers perish in the grave. That First death is not eternal in nature since clearly those who cease to exist have no eternal life/trail. ![]() |
Re: Who Told You That You Were Naked? by BluntTheApostle(m): 4:24pm On Oct 11, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Did you read my post? ![]() |
Re: Who Told You That You Were Naked? by Tundex911: 4:24pm On Oct 11, 2022 |
Hope you all notice we going back to the Naked Era?? Child of the world's |
Re: Who Told You That You Were Naked? by Kobojunkie: 4:26pm On Oct 11, 2022 |
BluntTheApostle:You mean the one below? BluntTheApostle: Well, Hellfire is the Second Death, and it is Eternal Damnation. ![]() |
Re: Who Told You That You Were Naked? by Kobojunkie: 4:27pm On Oct 11, 2022 |
Rufii:Why should God have stopped Eve from making the choice that Eve wanted? ![]() |
Re: Who Told You That You Were Naked? by BluntTheApostle(m): 4:28pm On Oct 11, 2022 |
blueAgent: Supposing a man leads a sinful life for 70 years, and you punish him eternally, is that a fair judgement? It is like killing a man for stealing maggi. One important characteristic of good judgement is FAIRNESS. Judgement must fit the crime. Not too much for the crime, and not negligible with respect to the crime. And God is a JUST God. His punishment ought to be JUST. |
Re: Who Told You That You Were Naked? by BluntTheApostle(m): 4:31pm On Oct 11, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Hell fire is used to kill the soul. When the soul is dead, the fire goes out. The death of the soul is the SECOND DEATH. Hell fire is just a tool. Hell is the place (or STATE) of the dead (those who have died eternally). |
Re: Who Told You That You Were Naked? by Kobojunkie: 4:33pm On Oct 11, 2022 |
BluntTheApostle:1. Where in scripture did you get this idea of yours from? ![]() 2. You need to use scripture to expand on these claims of yours because I have no clue where in scripture these ideas you spew come from. ![]() |
Re: Who Told You That You Were Naked? by Kobojunkie: 4:39pm On Oct 11, 2022 |
BluntTheApostle:1. Was the man born-again? I mean how did the man obtain eternal life which would go towards eternal punishment? ![]() 2. Judgment must fit the crime? How? In Adam's case, for instance, the punishment for the crime was already made known to Him before he supposedly committed the crime meaning he accepted the consequence the moment he made the choice. ![]() By the way, Adam did not have eternal life... you were clearly informed of this from the beginning, were you not? What that means is that adam ceased to exist the moment when he died. i.e. his mind, body, and soul was returned to the dust from which it was made - no eternal trace of the man exists since he did not have eternal life, to begin with. ![]() Only those who have eternal life can go on to spend it either in eternal reward or eternal damnation. Those who don't have eternal life cannot do any of that. They simply cease to exist when they die. ![]() |
Re: Who Told You That You Were Naked? by BluntTheApostle(m): 4:44pm On Oct 11, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: My good friend, I will come and answer all your questions soon. I actually came to Nairaland to check on some news updates. I don't have much free time. But I shall come back soon. Take care, my good friend. 1 Like |
Re: Who Told You That You Were Naked? by blueAgent(m): 4:57pm On Oct 11, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Jude 1:7 ► Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Is Sodom and Gomorraha still burning today? |
Re: Who Told You That You Were Naked? by Kobojunkie: 5:08pm On Oct 11, 2022 |
blueAgent:Are you seriously attempting to argue against Jesus Christ, God's very Law in the Kingdom of God, by using an abstract reference to the punishment that God visited on the people of the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha by a man called Jude? ![]() The following comparisons were made by Jesus Christ in His Gospel, so, they are worth considering first. ![]() A. Judgment for Sodom and Gomorrah happened when the people were destroyed 14 And if the people in a home or a town refuse to welcome you or listen to you, then leave that place and shake the dust off your feet.B. The people of Sodom were not given signs before they were destroyed 23 “And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted up to heaven? No! You will be thrown down to the place of death. I did many miracles in you. If these same miracles had happened in Sodom, the people there would have stopped sinning, and it would still be a city today.C. Judgment for the poeople of Sodom happened in the past 10 “But if you go into a town and the people don’t welcome you, then go out into the streets of that town and say,D. At the time God judged and destroyed Sodom, the people were going about their normal routines unaware of what was about to befall them. 28 “It will be the same as during the time of Lot, when God destroyed Sodom. Those people were eating, drinking, buying, selling, planting, and building houses for themselves. If Jude was attempting here to make a comparison similar to that formally spoken by Jesus Christ in regards to the judgment which waits for those who refuse to heed His warnings, then, the comparison made by Jude of those individuals to the plight that befall Sodom and Gomorrah takes on new light... 5 I want to help you remember some things you already know: Remember that the Lord saved his people by bringing them out of the land of Egypt. But later he destroyed all those who did not believe..... only since Jude's audience is of sinners who have eternal life, the punishment of eternal life is what awaits them at the end, instead of a fire like the one that destroyed the people of Sodom on its day of judgment. ![]() See attached from the greek extract of Jude 1 vs 7
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Re: Who Told You That You Were Naked? by blueAgent(m): 6:31pm On Oct 11, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: What are you even saying? Who said humans have eternal life? So Sodom and Gomorrha ppl had eternal life? Stop teaching heresies. |
Re: Who Told You That You Were Naked? by blueAgent(m): 6:33pm On Oct 11, 2022 |
BluntTheApostle: I should be asking you that. Check my topics, I never believed in eternal hell fire or everlasting fire. |
Re: Who Told You That You Were Naked? by Kobojunkie: 6:34pm On Oct 11, 2022 |
blueAgent:1. Those who are born-again have eternal life which they then go on to spend in either of eternal reward(Heaven) or eternal damnation(Hellfire). That is what Jesus Christ Himself taught His followers. Only those who enter into the Kingdom of God . i.e. are born-again, can have a part in the Kingdom of God where Heaven and Hell are born domained - John 3 vs 1 - 8 & Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14 & Luke 13 vs 22 - 27 & Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. All other ideas are heretical. ![]() 2. Jude clearly didn't say the people of Sodom and Gomorrah have eternal life as you seem to assume. Read carefully what he instead said as in the image below. ![]()
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Re: Who Told You That You Were Naked? by blueAgent(m): 6:12am On Oct 12, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: You are confused. How can born again ppl have eternal life and still spend it in Hell fire? Stop twisting God's word. |
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