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| Yahushua Is Begotten And Not Created Son Of יהוה by cosiocan(m): 2:48pm On Oct 11, 2022 |
Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of Elohim, thought it not robbery to be equal with יהוה: If He was created He won't have the Form of Elohim, he will have the form of the creatures. Hebrews 1:6-9 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of Elohim worship him. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O Elohim, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore Elohim, even thy Elohim, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. Yahushua is not therefore created יהוה is his Elohim (King) but not his Creator. Yahushua is our Elohim that's our King. That's to say יהוה is Elohim or God (King) over Every Creature and Yahushua is Elohim or God (King) over those who have the Spirit of יהוה. And Yahushua is not equal with יהוה the Father. John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee, the only true Elohim, and Yahushua the Messiah, whom thou hast sent. The Only true Elohim means יהוה is the Only Person that has Powers. And He shared His powers with his Son and the Creatures, that's why there are other many Elohim. 1 Like
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| Re: Yahushua Is Begotten And Not Created Son Of יהוה by Janosky: 2:54pm On Oct 11, 2022 |
cosiocan: I believe in lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten son of God. Born of the Father before all ages" "BORN", Psalm 90:2. "FIRST BORN" Colossians1:15. "FIRST BORN" Genesis 49:3 Trinitarians knew the truth, Jesus Christ is a Creature, but their Trinity GIBBERISH of 3 deities they love, screenshot evidence.
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| Re: Yahushua Is Begotten And Not Created Son Of יהוה by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:09pm On Oct 11, 2022 |
If Jesus is the first born of all creation who are the so called "creations" that followed the first born? |
| Re: Yahushua Is Begotten And Not Created Son Of יהוה by cosiocan(m): 3:24pm On Oct 11, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse:Being the firstborn of every creature does not mean He's part of the creatures in the context He was called the firstborn of every creature. Colossians 1:13-17 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible Elohim, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. All things were created by Him and for Him That means He's not part of all things that was created. Instead all things that was created belongs to him. 2 Likes |
| Re: Yahushua Is Begotten And Not Created Son Of יהוה by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:05pm On Oct 11, 2022 |
cosiocan: Well that's your own personal definition Sir. Any firstborn is part of those been born so if all other creatures were Created then the firstborn was also created by someone! Proverbs 8:22 1 Like |
| Re: Yahushua Is Begotten And Not Created Son Of יהוה by johnw47: 11:19pm On Oct 11, 2022 |
Janosky: lost fraud jw janosky you love to continually lie and blaspheme, calling the Christians Father and Jesus and Holy Spirit of the Bible: "3 deities" whch means 3 gods, you also call them: "the 3 dogheads", and you call the Christians Holy Spirit of the Bible: "the ole demon ghost you will have your reward: Mar 3:29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin 1Jn 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. 1 Like |
| Re: Yahushua Is Begotten And Not Created Son Of יהוה by NNTR: 3:04am On Oct 12, 2022 |
John 3:16-21 16“For God so [greatly] loved and dearly prized the world, that He [even] gave His [One and] only begotten Son, so that whoever believes and trusts in Him [as Savior] shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17For God did not send the Son into the world to judge and condemn the world. [that is, to initiate the final judgment of the world], but that the world might be saved through Him 18Whoever believes and has decided to trust in Him [as personal Savior and Lord] is not judged [for this one, there is no judgment, no rejection, no condemnation]; but the one who does not believe [and has decided to reject Him as personal Savior and Lord] is judged already [that one has been convicted and sentenced], because he has not believed and trusted in the name of the [One and] only begotten Son of God [the One who is truly unique, the only One of His kind, the One who alone can save him]. 19This is the judgment [that is, the cause for indictment, the test by which people are judged, the basis for the sentence]: the Light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. 20For every wrongdoer hates the Light, and does not come to the Light [but shrinks from it] for fear that his [sinful, worthless] activities will be exposed and condemned. 21But whoever practices truth [and does what is right--morally, ethically, spiritually] comes to the Light, so that his works may be plainly shown to be what they are--accomplished in God [divinely prompted, done with God’s help, in dependence on Him].” The word, begotten, in the above passage, implies, uniqueness, meaning, having the quality of being the only one of its kind (i.e. unlike anything else) Being Trinitarians or not being Trinitarians, yes, Yahushua is begotten and not a created son of God (i.e. Elohim or Godhead) because He self existed before creation, before all creation. Even John 1:3 tells us that: Jesus is the Creator (i.e. meaning He, Jesus, wasnt created, but that everything was created through Jesus) Now, what that word, begotten, communicates, is the fact, about the birth of Isaac. Which is, that, Isaac, is the only begotten son of Abram. Here was an impotent man (i.e. unable to copulate) and his menopause wife, Sarah, (i.e. gone well past her fertile years of having children) doing a unique thing of giving birth to a child in such advanced stages of their lives. It is a rare, an unusual, an uncommon et cetera thing to happen. Yes, just as Isaac's birth is miraculous, so God too, birthed Himself, came down to earth, took on human being body or flesh and became Son of man (i.e. the 'Son of man' phrase, is identifying with the humanity side of Jesus, God Incarnate. The phrase literally means, an offspring or product of a human being). It is unique, it is one of its kind. Just as Isaac's kind of birth is never repeated, so Jesus' kind of birth is never repeated because they are begotten. They are exclusive. They are one-offs. Their kind of births were done, made, or even happened only once, not ever to be repeated again. No one else will have either of the two births again Interestingly, Isaac, the only begotten son of Abram, in reality, is alluding to Jesus, who is the Lamb of God, and on top, even, the ram that God made available for Abram to do the sacrifice with, is alluding to Jesus Christ, who was sacrificed on the Cross at Calvary cc: cosiocan, Acehart, BluntTheApostle, Bunnatex, americanigga Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. 2 Likes |
| Re: Yahushua Is Begotten And Not Created Son Of יהוה by Tochj(m): 12:17pm On Oct 12, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse:Jesus is the first Born son of God Those who believe in him are his Brothers in the kingdom of his father,"John 1:12" |
| Re: Yahushua Is Begotten And Not Created Son Of יהוה by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:32pm On Oct 12, 2022 |
Tochj: YES many will become his brother by FAITH but i'm talking about his brothers before the creation of earth! |
| Re: Yahushua Is Begotten And Not Created Son Of יהוה by Tochj(m): 1:45pm On Oct 12, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse:Before creation, Jesus Christ was the one and only begotten son. He came to Earth and show us the way to the kingdom. We believed him and he made us co-heirs with him. |
| Re: Yahushua Is Begotten And Not Created Son Of יהוה by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:54pm On Oct 12, 2022 |
Tochj: Begotten means the only creature directly created by God, all other intelligent creatures are also God's children but only Jesus was created directly by God! Proverbs 8:22-31 compare to John:1-1-2 1 Like |
| Re: Yahushua Is Begotten And Not Created Son Of יהוה by Tochj(m): 4:23pm On Oct 12, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse:I disagree Sir Begotten is just like how ur father begat you. You came out of him He didn't create you |
| Re: Yahushua Is Begotten And Not Created Son Of יהוה by Tochj(m): 4:24pm On Oct 12, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse:I disagree Sir Begotten is just like how ur father begat you. You came out of him He didn't create you You are the same substance with him. 1 Like |
| Re: Yahushua Is Begotten And Not Created Son Of יהוה by Tochj(m): 4:25pm On Oct 12, 2022 |
Prov.8 is about Wisdom as a virtue not as a substance. |
| Re: Yahushua Is Begotten And Not Created Son Of יהוה by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:11pm On Oct 12, 2022 |
Tochj: God created only one creature (Jesus) who later created all other things following God's orders, that's what only begotten means! 2 Likes |
| Re: Yahushua Is Begotten And Not Created Son Of יהוה by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:13pm On Oct 12, 2022 |
Tochj: The person talking at Proverbs 8 is a creature through whom mankind gained the WISDOM of God, so he is rightly called the wisdom of God!  2 Likes |
| Re: Yahushua Is Begotten And Not Created Son Of יהוה by Janosky: 9:15pm On Oct 12, 2022 |
NNTR:Dem continue to CHANGE & TWIST Colossians1:15 & Revelation 3:14, but Genesis 49:3 & Mark 13:19 exposed their Trinitarian deception. "FIRST born" at Genesis 49:3 & Colossians1:15 is the same meaning. [b]The word, begotten, in the above passage, implies, uniqueness, meaning, having the quality of being the only one of its kind (i.e. unlike anything else) - the word "BEGOTTEN" is applied ONLY to Father and child relationship. Isaac is BEGOTTEN of Abraham,is Abraham his father? Jesus is BEGOTTEN of God,is God his Father? Every BEGOTTEN is a Creature with a Father The Trinity creed knows this. "Jesus the only begotten,Born of the Father before all ages , is born before creation. . Dem go dey rigmarole to TWIST the Bible truth. [b] |
| Re: Yahushua Is Begotten And Not Created Son Of יהוה by Janosky: 9:33pm On Oct 12, 2022 |
Tochj:Oga, is craftsman /architect a virtue? Proverbs 8:22-30= 1 Corinthians 1:24. The Wisdom in proverbs 8:22-30 is a Creature.
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| Re: Yahushua Is Begotten And Not Created Son Of יהוה by johnw47: 10:52pm On Oct 12, 2022 |
Janosky: lost fraud jw janosky concerning my screen shot you posted yes i was right: wisdom/the Word of God had a beginning in the flesh, before that time wisdom had a beginning as a separate person to God, before then wisdom always existed in God. God bought forth wisdom from Himself, begat Him, only God and His Word are God beings the word became the man Jesus Christ, the Son of God/flesh proverbs is speaking about wisdom the virtue a little of proverbs is metaphorically referring to wisdom/the Word who became the Lord Jesus Christ |
| Re: Yahushua Is Begotten And Not Created Son Of יהוה by NNTR: 6:15am On Oct 13, 2022 |
Janosky:Yes 110% correct that the word "BEGOTTEN" is applied ONLY to Father and child relationship Janosky:Yes 110% correct, that Isaac is BEGOTTEN of Abraham, and that Abraham his father Janosky:Yes 110% correct, that Jesus is BEGOTTEN of God, and that God is His Father Janosky:Yes 110% correct, that every BEGOTTEN is a Creature with a Father Janosky:Jesus, as God Incarnate, meaning God taking up human being body or flesh and live, breathe, eat, sleep wake on earth was born by Mary in between 6 and 4 BC. The Word, doubles up as Jesus is self existent. It is the Word who carried out all creation. Everything that exists or that we see, are and were, all made by the Word Janosky:Genesis 22:2,12 '2He said to him: Take thy only begotten son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and go into the land of vision: and there thou shalt offer him for a holocaust upon one of the mountains which I will show thee. 12And He said to him: Lay not thy hand upon the boy, neither do thou any thing to him: now I know that thou fearest God, and hast not spared thy only begotten son for My sake.' The circumstances that surrounded Isaac's birth, was just as unique as is the circumstances that surrounded Jesus' birth, hence the reason behind them both having the begotten adjective used for them. Obviously, Isaac has a half brother, an older brother (i.e. Ismael) for that matter, whose birth wasnt miraculous or unique as Isaac's is, and so is the reason why, the 'thy only begotten son' phrase is used about Isaac, although Abraham has another son (i.e. Ismael), that even is older than Isaac. Isaac is Abraham's only begotten son based on the circumstances how his birth came about, but hey something as Biblical basic as this is beyond a successful cognitive processing thing for you to do. Group of some others do the thinking and processing for you Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. 1 Like
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| Re: Yahushua Is Begotten And Not Created Son Of יהוה by OgaNightmare(m): 3:41pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse:WRONG! Begotten comes from the Greek word Monogenes (meaning unique or one of a kind) Christ was alongside the father before creation. "ALL THINGS were created through him..."(John 1:3) Therefore he can't be part of the "ALL THINGS" John 1:18 calls Jesus The only-begotten God. He alone was begotten of God Almighty, he alone dwelled in God's nature, the rest were created beings. 1 Like |
| Re: Yahushua Is Begotten And Not Created Son Of יהוה by OgaNightmare(m): 3:45pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse:Wisdom personified, just like the holy spirit is being personified throughout the scriptures |
| Re: Yahushua Is Begotten And Not Created Son Of יהוה by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:17pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
OgaNightmare: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature. Colossians 1:15 There's no firstborn that's not a part of those been born just as a first child remains one of the children meaning he also came through the same process!  1 Like |
| Re: Yahushua Is Begotten And Not Created Son Of יהוה by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:19pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
OgaNightmare: However, to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ is the power of God and the WISDOM of God. 1 Corinthians 1:24 1 Like |
| Re: Yahushua Is Begotten And Not Created Son Of יהוה by NNTR: 5:36pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
NNTR: OgaNightmare:"Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me." - John 8:42 Absolutely spot on, and what I've all along have harped on about, hence the reason why I liked the post. Yes, "exerchomai" is the Greek original word translated as "proceeded forth". By definition, it means, to go or come out of, with mention of the place out of which one goes, or of the point from which one departs. John 8:42 above, makes no mistake, where from Jesus proceeded forth and came from. Though Jesus was God, He did not think of equality with God, as something to cling to, instead, He gave up his divine privileges. He took the humble position of a servant and was born as a human being, and so God appeared on earth, in human form, as in, the person of Jesus Christ, His Son God can send Himself, and did send Himself to earth, in the form of Jesus Christ. God simultaneously can be in more than one place at a time (i.e. God can be in Heaven and on earth, at the same time) Note that, Jesus didnt correct people that addressed Him as God, for example, where and when said: "My Lord, My God" to Him. Its often said, if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself. Something to be done right is exactly what it's all about and so what God did. This is a matter of the classsic diy aka Do-It-Yourself. God looked for someone who could build walls or looked for someone to stand in the breach in His presence on behalf of the world so that it won't be destroyed, but He found no one and so God is lumbered with, doing a classic Do-It-Yourself by sending Himself to carry out the redemptive work. This will explain what the bible said and/or is saying about "begotten" The word translated as "begotten", is the greek word "monogene" "Monogene", means, one and only or better still, one of a kind Now the word "monogene", is a combination of the root words: "mono" (one or only) and "genos" (of a class or kind) hence "begotten", in the context, or "monogene" in the context means "the only of its kind" Now, "monogene" occurred also, when similarly used over Isaac, and that is where and when Isaac was referred to, as only son, even when Abraham already had an older son, Ishmael Isaac was unique, was one and only or one of a kind son. Unique in the sense that, an impotent man and menopaused woman had a child, the promised son, Isaac (i.e. child in a class of its own, this miracle never again has been repeated) To just clear each other, "begotten" in the Jesus' context isn’t about procreation or some fantasied sexual intercourse Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. 1 Like |
| Re: Yahushua Is Begotten And Not Created Son Of יהוה by OgaNightmare(m): 6:13pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
NNTR:It's obvious you didn't get my point |
| Re: Yahushua Is Begotten And Not Created Son Of יהוה by NNTR: 8:17pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
NNTR: OgaNightmare:I have said anything contrary to what you submitted. What I did was complement your submission with a more balanced view. Now, with all I typed up there above, and all the grounds covered with it, out of curiosity, what point exactly would that be please you believe I didnt get? Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. 1 Like |
| Re: Yahushua Is Begotten And Not Created Son Of יהוה by Janosky: 8:17pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
NNTR: John 8:42 & Matthew 2:6, Jesus ORIGINATED from God in the same manner that a Governor ORIGINATED from Bethlehem in Judah. Jesus the son of God, the Governor,son of Bethlehem. No Maggi,no spices to TWIST the meaning of Greek "Exerchomai". Ephesians 3:14-15 , 1 Corinthians 3:23 & John 20:17 ,Everyone, including Jesus Christ owes their name to God our heavenly Father. If you don't believe Jesus & John @ John 20:17, believe Paul @ 1 Corinthians 3:23. Paul and John were converts of Jesus Christ. God is the Life Source of Jesus Christ & everyone. John 5:26. Jesus Christ is a Creature, Colossians1:15 & Genesis 49:3. |
| Re: Yahushua Is Begotten And Not Created Son Of יהוה by NNTR: 8:34pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
Janosky:The "the only begotten" phrase, means the only person uniquely gotten (i.e. born) this way. The phrase has nothing to do with God biologically giving birth to Jesus, as a mother, like women do. God is formless. As God is a Spirit, it means that has no physical form. However God does have masculine and feminine distinctive personalities plus characteristics associated with human beings (i.e. man and woman) Janosky, beloved, before you step on my "God is formless" banana skin comment and get to slip on it, let me make myself clearer with the comment, by adding to it, that, God is shapeless and formless like water. When you pour water in a cup, it becomes the cup. When you pour water in a bottle, it becomes the bottle. When you pour water in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. When you pour water into a drum, it becomes the drum of water. That is why when Moses asked God who should he say sent him, if asked by the Israelites, (i.e. Moses was asking for God's personal name) God said to him: say I AM I AM sent you. I AM I AM, in that narrative, is a descriptor, that means: 'I shall be that I shall be', also means, 'whatever it is necessary for God to be, that, God will be'. God willl be a pillar of cloud in the day and become a pillar of fire to give the Israelites light at night while travelling in the wilderness enrolee to the Promised Land. So moving forward, God is formless, yet God can take on any form. I know it sounds like an oxymoron thing to say it that way, but God, though, truly is formless, can manifest Himself in any form, just as, He took on form, in that Nebuchadnezzar fiery furnace situation and et cetera Anyway, in relation to your '... Everyone, including Jesus Christ owes their name to God our heavenly Father ....' comment, now what name would that be please, that you're talking off there? Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
| Re: Yahushua Is Begotten And Not Created Son Of יהוה by Janosky: 8:44pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
NNTR:Matthew 2:6 & John 8:42, Jesus Christ confirmed his point of Origin. Psalm 90:1-2, God Almighty his Father ORIGINATED from whom? Trinity na man made scam jare.  NNTR:WRONG ! Philippians 2:6 "WAS GOD" is a DUBIOUS ADDITION to the holy Bible in this verse. Greek scriptures of Philippians 2:6, AUTHENTIC Text: "Although he was in the form (Greek morphé) of God."- Bill Mounce Greek interlinear Bible. John 14:28, Jesus said God his Father is Superior, Greater than Jesus Christ his son. 1 Like |
| Re: Yahushua Is Begotten And Not Created Son Of יהוה by Janosky: 9:50pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
NNTR: Romans 11:35-36, Jesus Christ came through his Father. Did you come through your parents? Psalms 90:2,shey you understand? Before the mountains were born Or You gave birth to the earth and the world, Even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God. Yahweh the God "birth the earth and born the mountains. Did Yahweh the God birth the earth/mountains and beget Jesus? Let me reference your statement: "the only begotten" phrase, means the only person uniquely gotten (i.e. born) this way." That is Jesus Christ, the only person Yahweh beget. Yahweh birth the earth/mountains. Therefore, Yahweh the God beget Jesus. The God Yahweh made the Universe (& other heavenly sons) through His only begotten son Jesus, Hebrew 1:2. |
| Re: Yahushua Is Begotten And Not Created Son Of יהוה by NNTR: 10:19pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
Janosky:1.) When you speak or talk, where does your word(s) come from? 2.) Who does your word(s) represent? 3.) What is the origin of the words you speak, the words you utter? Janosky:Whether scam or not scam, I dont lose sleep over Trinity. To each their own because one has the freedom to limit God to trinity or not limit God to trinity. Janosky:Absolutely 150% correct, albeit, unfortunately, the Greek word, 'morphē', hasn't an English exact equivalent, what the word conveys in that Philippians 2:6 context, is Jesus already existed in the form of God, as in meaning, the character of God (i.e. having all the the mental and moral qualities that are distinctive to God or what God is known for) Janosky:John 14:12-18 '12I assure you and most solemnly say to you, anyone who believes in Me [as Savior] will also do the things that I do; and he will do even greater things than these [in extent and outreach], because I am going to the Father. 13And I will do whatever you ask in My name [as My representative], this I will do, so that the Father may be glorified and celebrated in the Son. 14If you ask Me anything in My name [as My representative], I will do it. 15“If you [really] love Me, you will keep and obey My commandments. 16And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper (Comforter, Advocate, Intercessor--Counselor, Strengthener, Standby), to be with you forever-- 17the Spirit of Truth, whom the world cannot receive [and take to its heart] because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He (the Holy Spirit) remains with you continually and will be in you. 18“I will not leave you as orphans [comfortless, bereaved, and helpless]; I will come [back] to you' Absolutely 150% correct, as sons are subservient to the Father. 1.) Arent you subject to your father? 2.) Arent you obedient to your father? 3.) Why would you think that Jesus should be exempted from this rule? 4.) Why would you think that Jesus should be a law on to Himself, hmm? 5.) How do you reconcile John 14:16 (i.e. I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper) and John 14:18 (i.e. I will not leave you as orphans [comfortless, bereaved, and helpless]; I will come [back] to you), as in, who is that in John 14:16 and John 14:18? Anyway, the word “greater” spoken of in John 14:28, is describing role, as in the function played in formulating the salvation, redemption and reconciliation plan and is not talking about essence or importance. The Son ran an errand for the Father, carried out the wishes, the intent, the plan et cetera of the Father and went back to give the Father the update Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
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