KnownUnknown:


Do you see from what I have posted how Genesis 1 God, Genesis 2 God, Genesis 3 God, Genesis 4 God, Genesis ad infinitum God are nothing more than someone’s opinion?

That has never been disputed. Read my LordReed again. You'd see him state they are stories written by diverse individuals. And if you read people here enough, you'd see everyone creating their own god in their own individual image.

budaatum:


That has never been disputed. Read my LordReed again. You'd see him state they are stories written by diverse individuals. And if you read people here enough, you'd see everyone creating their own god in their own individual image.

I don’t need to read anything again. I saw what he posted and supported it with Marcion. You are the one writing nonsense about Genesis 1 God and Genesis 2 God as if you are providing anything new to the discussion. Like Marcion and the rest, you have an opinion. Congratulations!

You know what? Genesis 1 God, Genesis 2 God, and Genesis 3 God are the same God suffering from multiple personality disorder and other mental maladies.

KnownUnknown:


I don’t need to read anything again. I saw what he posted and supported it with Marcion. You are the one writing nonsense about Genesis 1 God and Genesis 2 God as if you are providing anything new to the discussion. Like Marcion and the rest, you have an opinion. Congratulations!

You know what? Genesis 1 God, Genesis 2 God, and Genesis 3 God are the same God suffering from multiple personality disorder and other mental maladies.

I guess you fail to see further support.

LordReed:


It was thought of, told and written by men.

And we know the one that can not come from a man

KnownUnknown:



Look at the Jewish priest chanting rubbish in this movie scene that depicts “possession”. Our people would look at this and believe it to be effective and benevolent but a similar scene would be viewed as ineffective or malevolent.
The notion that this culture and their nonsense are special is probably the most absurd idea in the world. I blame the ancient Roman government...

Wow a person who lives under television and movies.

Our people see the real and live and natural and unmovied display of a person possessed by an evil spirit.

Dtruthspeaker:


And we know the one that can not come from a man

It was thought of, told and written by men.

Dtruthspeaker:


Wow a person who lives under television and movies.

A pointless and aimless critique. Completely irrelevant to the subject.

Our people see the real and live and natural and unmovied display of a person possessed by an evil spirit.

This response is beyond retardéd, and it doesn't even remotely address the issue raised by KnownUnknown.... So what if your people see the "real and live and natural and unmovied display of a person possessed by an evil spirit."? Don't others see it too, according to their worldview?

Judas1X:


A pointless and aimless critique. Completely irrelevant to the subject.



This response is beyond retardéd, and it doesn't even remotely address the issue raised by KnownUnknown.... So what if your people see the "real and live and natural and unmovied display of a person possessed by an evil spirit."? Don't others see it too, according to their worldview?

I didn’t even bother to answer the slowpoke. That’s one of the characters around here I have absolutely no regard or respect for. Such an absurd character.

LordReed:


It was thought of, told and written by men.

And we know the one that can not come from a man

Okay, you want to be the one who speaks last.

KnownUnknown:


I didn’t even bother to answer the slowpoke. That’s one of the characters around here I have absolutely no regard or respect for. Such an absurd character.

As if we all have not seen that you do not have any reasonable thing to say after I answer you.

SeniorMan715:
Will people who took their own life be resurrected?

According to Jesus Christ, except a man be born-again, He cannot enter into the Kingdom of God - John 3 vs 1 - 8 - through either of two gates - Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14 & Luke 13 vs 22 - 27 - the broad gate which leads to Hell(destruction) and the Narrow gate which leads to Heaven(True Life) - and He, Jesus Christ, is King over both Heaven(Eternal Reward) and Hell/HellFire(Eternal Damnation) in the Kingdom of God - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. What this all means is that even those who will spend eternity in Hellfire are all born-again.

The resurrection is only for those who by reason of being born-again possess eternal life(life after death on this earth), and so unless the person who took his own life was born-again before he then decided to end his life, there is no resurrection in the cards for him.

SeniorMan715:
How can someone sin against the Active Force of God (Holy Spirit). And can he be forgiven?

The Word of God is quite logical in the sense that you only reason through the very teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, God's Law in the Kingdom of God aka His New Covenant/agreement of Peace to all.

A close look at Jesus Christ's very own teachings regarding the sin of blasphemy clearly reveals that one first has to have a relationship that involves the Holy Spirit to commit sin against Him, to begin with.
1. Anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven now and at the time of the resurrection.

31 “So I tell you, people can be forgiven for every sinful thing they do and for every bad thing they say against God. But anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.
32 You can even speak against the Son of Man and be forgiven. But anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven—not now or in the future. - Matthew 12 vs 31 - 32

2. Anyone guilty of speaking against the Holy Spirit will always be guilty of that sin

28 “I want you to know that people can be forgiven for all the sinful things they do. They can even be forgiven for the bad things they say against God.
29 But anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. They will always be guilty of that sin.”
30 Jesus said this because the teachers of the law had accused him of having an evil spirit inside him. - Mark 3 vs 28 - 30

3. Anyone guilty of speaking against the Spirit of God will not be forgiven.

10 “Whoever says something against the Son of Man can be forgiven. But whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. - Luke 12 vs 10

I believe the very answers to your questions are provided in the passages above taken directly from the teachings of Jesus Christ, God's Truth and Law.

SeniorMan715:
Psalm 139:15-16
God knows us even when we weren't born.
Does that mean he will resurrect those that was aborted or maybe miscarriage. ?

Again, only those who possess eternal life(life after death) will be resurrected when Jesus Christ returns in the glory of His Kingdom, the Kingdom of God, meaning only those who were born-again - before the death of course - will be resurrected. All others who perished in the grave as a result of having no life after death will not be a part of the resurrection of the Kingdom of God.

Now, there is the resurrection of the Jews aka the righteous children of Israel which is slated to take place 1000 years, according to the dream/visions recorded by John, before the resurrection of those of the Kingdom of God. In that resurrection, only the righteous Jews aka those who obtained eternal life as a result of dying in the righteous state to the Old Law of Moses - the Constitution of the Nation of Israel - will be raised from the dead in that first resurrection.

Those you highlighted above will not be a part of any of the resurrections. Since in both cases, they do not meet the criteria for resurrection.

SeniorMan715:
Please can you explain Leviticus 17:14 for me

Before we proceed, I need you to understand that the commands below were given by God to those who are of the blood of Jacob a part of the National Constitution which God designed and put together specifically for the children of Israel in the Land of Canaan - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20. This means no other people or nations in this world are covered under this same constitution nor are they to live by it since God specifically exempted all others from this agreement from its beginning.

As you can see, God's Law to the people of Israel( and the foreigners who live among them) through Moses clearly indicates that they are not to eat blood.

10 “I will turn against those who eat blood whether they are citizens of Israel or foreigners living among you, I will separate them from their people.
11 This is because the life of the body is in the blood. I have told you that you must pour the blood on the altar to purify yourselves. It is the blood that makes a person pure.
12 That is why I am telling you Israelites and the foreigners living among you that you must not eat blood.
13 “If any of you, whether Israelite or foreigner living among you, goes hunting and kills a wild animal or bird that you are allowed to eat, you must pour the blood of that animal on the ground and cover it with dirt.
14 This is because the life of every kind of animal is in its blood. So I give this command to the Israelites: Don’t eat meat that still has blood in it! Whoever eats blood must be separated from their people.
15 “If any of you, whether Israelite or foreigner living among you, eats an animal that died by itself or was killed by some other animal, you will be unclean until evening. You must wash your clothes and bathe your whole body with water.
16 If you don’t wash your clothes and bathe your whole body, you will be responsible for your guilt.” - Leviticus 17 vs 10 - 16

SeniorMan715:
How is Jesus a God in human flesh ?

Jesus Christ answered that very question for you by Himself in His teachings....

6 Jesus answered, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. The only way to the Father is through me.
7 If you really knew me, you would know my Father too. But now you know the Father. You have seen him.” - John 14 vs 6 - 7

He is God's very own Way(Law and agreement), God's Truth, and the same Eternal Life that is God Himself. He is born of the very essence of the Father, even though He is not all that is the Father, as He also informed you of this when He explained that the Father is greater than He - John 14 vs 28

SeniorMan715:
How is it a sin?

If you visit Jesus Christ's very own teachings regarding prayer, you would realize that by His very own decree, what you folks consider praying for each other is in fact sin against God.

5 “When you pray, don’t be like the hypocrites. They love to stand in the synagogues and on the street corners and pray loudly. They want people to see them. The truth is, that’s all the reward they will get.
6 But when you pray, you should go into your room and close the door. Then pray to your Father. He is there in that private place. He can see what is done in private, and he will reward you.
7 “And when you pray, don’t be like the people who don’t know God. They say the same things again and again. They think that if they say it enough, their god will hear them.
8 Don’t be like them. Your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
9 So this is how you should pray: ‘Our Father in heaven, we pray that your name will always be kept holy.
10 We pray that your kingdom will come— that what you want will be done here on earth, the same as in heaven.
11 Give us the food we need for today.
12 Forgive our sins, just as we have forgiven those who did wrong to us.
13 Don’t let us be tempted, but save us from the Evil One.’
14 Yes, if you forgive others for the wrongs they do to you, then your Father in heaven will also forgive your wrongs.
15 But if you don’t forgive others, then your Father in heaven will not forgive the wrongs you do. - Matthew 6 vs 5 - 15

According to the same Jesus Christ....

35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. - Matthew 24 vs 35

....

33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. - Luke 21 vs 33

... meaning that what you lot practice when you pray in public and to the hearing of others, is not only against God but the answers you claim to receive when you engage in these antichrist rituals also does not come from God.

SeniorMan715:
Is clapping and singing praise to God okay and right ?

1. In the Kingdom of God, God didn't command that anyone clap and sing praises to Him as a way of honoring Him. God is only honored by our direct obedience to His very teachings and commandments, so when you engage in rituals that are not commanded by Him, you technically do so in vain. It would be better for you to, when you feel the need to praise God, get yourself doing diligently that which He in fact commands, so He can happily praise you as a faithful servant of His.

2. Jesus Christ explicitly stated that He does not seek nor desire praise from any human being. He discouraged the praising of His person by humans.

40 But you refuse to come to me to have that life.
41 “I don’t want praise from you or any other human.
42 But I know you—I know that you have no love for God.
43 I have come from my Father and speak for him, but you don’t accept me. But when other people come speaking only for themselves, you accept them.
44 You like to have praise from each other. But you never try to get the praise that comes from the only God. So how can you believe? - John 5 vs 40 - 44

The same Jesus Christ said that those who do what He commands are those who belong to Him.

13 The greatest love people can show is to die for their friends. 
14 You are my friends if you do what I tell you to do. 
15 I no longer call you servants, because servants don’t know what their master is doing. But now I call you friends, because I have told you everything that my Father told me. - John 15 vs 13 - 15

So it is better to do that which God in fact commands than engage in rituals that are of no meaning to Him?

According to Jesus Christ, it is better to get the praise that comes from God Himself - be a faithful and trusted servant always doing that which pleases the father - than engaging in that which does not bring the honor of any kind to the Father.

SeniorMan715:
How is praying before preaching a sin explain ?

See above!

Your many public prayers are a sin against God.

SeniorMan715:
Please don't be offended with my plenty questions i know you may have been in my situation maybe when you were searching for the truth, a lot must have in your mind plenty of questions seeking for answers.
I have seen many denominations i strongly believe am in the right path but i really need to be convinced.

Here's the thing! This logical God of ours did not call men to following of religion and it's many denominations. What He instead did was offer to individuals a contract by which they can, through trust and obedience to the terms and conditions of the said contract/covenant, build and maintain a direct relationship with Him. The particular contract/agreement in our case is Jesus Christ, the embodiment of God's Law and Truth in the Kingdom of God. That man chose to build for themselves religion - complete with kingdoms/businesses and empires(franchises, denominations even), atop of that which God has given to men, does not change that which God has given nor does it lower the standard required by God in the relationship He proposed to men.

Not a single jot of that which is contained in God's agreement is changed by the acts of men, men and their many kingdoms on earth will pass away but not a single Word of God will change or be tweaked in the process, as that which was established over 2000 years ago, remains the same - the Covenant unchanged.

SeniorMan715:
Revelations 20:5
please explain, The rest of the dead didn't come to life until the 1000 years ended ?
Will there be first and second resurrection ?

As explained earlier, the First resurrection is the resurrection of the righteous Jews aka the children of Israel, this in accordance with God's agreement with them - The National Constitution of the Nation of Israel given to them via Moses - which was ratified in Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20. According to that agreement, only the righteous among them receive Eternal life and hence sleep in their graves until the day of resurrection.

The second resurrection, which is the resurrection of those who are of the Kingdom of God, takes place, according to the dreams/visions of John recorded in the book of Revelations, 1000 years after the first, and in this resurrection, it is majorly all the Gentiles who are of the Kingdom of God - since the Jews who were of the Kingdom of God will have been raised in the first resurrection. The second resurrection proceeds judgment for those who are also of the Kingdom of God - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46.

SeniorMan715:
Because so many things has been removed from many translations e.g the name of the Author of the Bible. John 17:6,
26
okay but how can i be sure that the translation was the original manuscript of the Bible? And not to favour their belief ?

Do not trust translations. Never do that as that amounts to putting your trust in men and as God clearly revealed in Jeremiah 17 vs 5, everyone who puts their trust in men is cursed.

Rather, focus and start by putting all of your trust in God, the one with whom you are meant to be in a relationship with. Trust Him to reveal to you His Truth regardless of which translations you read from or are in error.

Dtruthspeaker:


And we know the one that can not come from a man

Okay, you want to be the one who speaks last.

It was thought of, told and written by men.

LoLz. 2 can play.

SeniorMan715:
So the anointed ones instantly move to heaven immediately they die ?

According to scripture, Jesus Christ's return in the glory of His Kingdom isn't supposed to take place until after 1000 years of the millennial reign, according to the dream/visions of John recorded in the Book of Revelations, which begins after the first resurrection has taken place. And as far as we all know, the first resurrection has yet to happen, and neither has the millennial reign.

2 There are many rooms in my Father’s house. I would not tell you this if it were not true. I am going there to prepare a place for you.
3 After I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back. Then I will take you with me so that you can be where I am.
4 You know the way to the place where I am going.” - John 14 vs 2 - 4

Over 2000 years ago, Jesus Christ informed His disciples that He would need to come back to then take them to His father's house which He prepared for them. Surely, this is a clear enough indication that no man, not even His very disciples has been granted access to Heaven. Instead, instead sleep in their graves, along with all other born-agains(those who have eternal life) waiting for His return and judge them first - John 5 vs 19 - 29.

SeniorMan715:
1. God knows what will happen in the future he knows that Adam and Eve will rebell against him and disobey him,
2. he also knows that Satan will rebell against him, why then did he create them ?

1. His plan was bigger than the rebellion of Adam and Eve. Does a CEO scrap his entire plan because of betrayal from some of his employees? Why would you expect God to have done that in this case?

2. There is no evidence that Satan "rebelled" against God - not in all of scripture there isn't. Instead, what scripture instead points to is a creature created exactly for the purpose that he serves, a purpose which is used by God in accomplishing His very Will in the lives of the same men who "rebel" against Him.

SeniorMan715:
Hebrews 10:26 “If we practice sin willfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left”
please explain this verse for me

According to the writer of the letter to the believers of Hebrew descent, the only end that awaits all those who are born-again yet refusing to obey the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christs. God's Truth and Law in the Kingdom of God, is eternal damnation after the resurrection and judgment to take place when Jesus Christ returns.

26 If we decide to continue sinning after we have learned the truth, then there is no other sacrifice that will take away sins.
27 If we continue sinning, all that is left for us is a fearful time of waiting for the judgment and the angry fire that will destroy those who live against God.
28 Whoever refused to obey the Law of Moses was found guilty from the testimony given by two or three witnesses. Such people were not forgiven. They were killed.
29 So think how much more punishment people deserve who show their hate for the Son of God—people who show they have no respect for the blood sacrifice that began the new agreement and once made them holy or who insult the Spirit of God’s grace.
30 We know that God said, “I will punish people for the wrongs they do; I will repay them.” And he also said, “The Lord will judge his people.”[e]
31 It is a terrible thing to face punishment from the living God. - Hebrews 10 vs 26 - 31

In the Kingdom of God, the only way to be made free from slavery to sin is through continuous submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ

31 So Jesus said to the Jews who believed in him, “If you continue to accept and obey my teaching, you are really my followers.
32 You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”
33 They answered, “We are Abraham’s descendants. And we have never been slaves. So why do you say that we will be free?”
34 Jesus said, “The truth is, everyone who sins is a slave—a slave to sin.
35 A slave does not stay with a family forever. But a son belongs to the family forever.
36 So if the Son makes you free, you are really free. - John 8 vs 31 - 36

However, there will be many who by refusing to carefully obey the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, will remain slaves to sin until the end. There is no free lunch to save them, like the one that saved them from the debt that they - those of Hebrew descent - formerly owed the Law of Moses before they became born-again, as the only sure end left would be an eternity in damnation.

So, essentially, what the writer of the letters to those believers of Hebrew descent is saying is that even though they may have been redeemed from the debt owed to the Law of Moses, they are not also redeemed from the debt they owe as far as the Law in the Kingdom of God. And so, those Jews who decided to continue living in sin even after becoming born-again will all end up in eternal damnation.

SeniorMan715:
(Matthew 19 : ​4-9 )
Divorce is only accepted if any of the couple commit adultery but if any of them marries another also commit adultery.
Please Explain

In the Gospels, Jesus Christ does not teach that divorce is a sin. Instead, He speaks instead of remarriage being a potential sin for those already divorced, and even those about to marry for the first time.
■ Matthew 5 vs 31 - 32

31 “It was also said, ‘Any man who divorces his wife must give her a written notice of divorce.’
32 But I tell you that any man who divorces his wife, except for the problem of sexual sin, is causing his wife to be guilty of adultery. And whoever marries a divorced woman is guilty of adultery. - Matthew 5 vs 31 - 32

■ Matthew 19 vs 7 - 9

7 The Pharisees asked, “Then why did Moses give a command allowing a man to divorce his wife by writing a certificate of divorce?”
8 Jesus answered, “Moses allowed you to divorce your wives because you refused to accept God’s teaching. But divorce was not allowed in the beginning.
9 I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for the problem of sexual sin, and marries another woman is guilty of adultery.” - Matthew 19 vs 7 - 9

■Mark 10 vs 10- 12

10 Later, when the followers and Jesus were in the house, they asked him again about the question of divorce. 
11 He said, “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman has sinned against his wife. He is guilty of adultery. 
12  And the woman who divorces her husband and marries another man is also guilty of adultery.” - Mark 10 vs 10- 12

■ Luke 16 vs 18

18 “Any man who divorces his wife and marries another woman is guilty of adultery. And the man who marries a divorced woman is also guilty of adultery.” - Luke 16 vs 18

Divorce in and of itself is not a sin, so says Jesus Christ.

SeniorMan715:
And what if the marriage is abusive will he/she remain in the marriage ?

Marriage wasn't designed by God to serve as a shackle against men and women. Man made it seem that way through his deceit.

You need the scriptures to know how to serve God and fellow his will 2 Timothy 3-16:17

Kobojunkie:
Do not trust translations. Never do that as that amounts to putting your trust in men and as God clearly revealed in Jeremiah 17 vs 5, everyone who puts their trust in men is cursed.

Rather, focus and start by putting all of your trust in God, the one with whom you are meant to be in a relationship with. Trust Him to reveal to you His Truth regardless of which translations you read from or are in error.

SeniorMan715:
You need the scriptures to know how to serve God and fellow his will 2 Timothy 3-16:17

The disciples and many of the first Christians did not have direct access to the scriptures themselves, so how did they know how to serve God and follow His Will without first having a copy of the scripture for themselves?

Does scripture lead them to God or does God maybe lead them to scripture? Which comes first?

Matt. 7:15–20
John 17:11, 14–15

Kobojunkie:
Here's the thing! This logical God of ours did not call men to following of religion and it's many denominations. What He instead did was offer to individuals a contract by which they can, through trust and obedience to the terms and conditions of the said contract/covenant, build and maintain a direct relationship with Him. The particular contract/agreement in our case is Jesus Christ, the embodiment of God's Law and Truth in the Kingdom of God. That man chose to build for themselves religion - complete with kingdoms/businesses and empires(franchises, denominations even), atop of that which God has given to men, does not change that which God has given nor does it lower the standard required by God in the relationship He proposed to men.

Not a single jot of that which is contained in God's agreement is changed by the acts of men, men and their many kingdoms on earth will pass away but not a single Word of God will change or be tweaked in the process, as that which was established over 2000 years ago, remains the same - the Covenant unchanged.

Maybe God leading them

Kobojunkie:
The disciples and many of the first Christians did not have direct access to the scriptures themselves, so how did they know how to serve God and follow His Will without first having a copy of the scripture for themselves?

Does scripture lead them to God or does God maybe lead them to scripture? Which comes first?

SeniorMan715:
Matt. 7:15–20
John 17:11, 14–15

You would have to take your time to explain to me what aspects of what is written in those passages leads you to believe God's contract and Law in the Kingdom of God, Jesus Christ, is illogical.

Marriage has a vow do you know ?

Kobojunkie:
In the Gospels, Jesus Christ does not teach that divorce is a sin. Instead, He speaks instead of remarriage being a potential sin for those already divorced, and even those about to marry for the first time.
■ Matthew 5 vs 31 - 32

■ Matthew 19 vs 7 - 9

■Mark 10 vs 10- 12

■ Luke 16 vs 18
Divorce in and of itself is not a sin, so says Jesus Christ.


Marriage wasn't designed by God to serve as a shackle against men and women. Man made it seem that way through his deceit.