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Re: As Humans, We're Programmed To Be "Logical" In Our Thinking. by budaatum: 1:08pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
KnownUnknown: That has never been disputed. Read my LordReed again. You'd see him state they are stories written by diverse individuals. And if you read people here enough, you'd see everyone creating their own god in their own individual image. |
Re: As Humans, We're Programmed To Be "Logical" In Our Thinking. by KnownUnknown: 1:32pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
budaatum: I don’t need to read anything again. I saw what he posted and supported it with Marcion. You are the one writing nonsense about Genesis 1 God and Genesis 2 God as if you are providing anything new to the discussion. Like Marcion and the rest, you have an opinion. Congratulations! You know what? Genesis 1 God, Genesis 2 God, and Genesis 3 God are the same God suffering from multiple personality disorder and other mental maladies. |
Re: As Humans, We're Programmed To Be "Logical" In Our Thinking. by budaatum: 2:14pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
KnownUnknown: I guess you fail to see further support. |
Re: As Humans, We're Programmed To Be "Logical" In Our Thinking. by Dtruthspeaker: 3:56pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
LordReed: And we know the one that can not come from a man |
Re: As Humans, We're Programmed To Be "Logical" In Our Thinking. by Dtruthspeaker: 4:04pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
KnownUnknown: Wow a person who lives under television and movies. Our people see the real and live and natural and unmovied display of a person possessed by an evil spirit. |
Re: As Humans, We're Programmed To Be "Logical" In Our Thinking. by LordReed(m): 4:41pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
Dtruthspeaker: It was thought of, told and written by men. |
Re: As Humans, We're Programmed To Be "Logical" In Our Thinking. by Judas1X: 4:53pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
Dtruthspeaker: A pointless and aimless critique. Completely irrelevant to the subject. Our people see the real and live and natural and unmovied display of a person possessed by an evil spirit. This response is beyond retardéd, and it doesn't even remotely address the issue raised by KnownUnknown.... So what if your people see the "real and live and natural and unmovied display of a person possessed by an evil spirit."? Don't others see it too, according to their worldview? |
Re: As Humans, We're Programmed To Be "Logical" In Our Thinking. by KnownUnknown: 5:39pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
Judas1X: I didn’t even bother to answer the slowpoke. That’s one of the characters around here I have absolutely no regard or respect for. Such an absurd character. 1 Like |
Re: As Humans, We're Programmed To Be "Logical" In Our Thinking. by Dtruthspeaker: 6:12pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
LordReed: And we know the one that can not come from a man Okay, you want to be the one who speaks last. |
Re: As Humans, We're Programmed To Be "Logical" In Our Thinking. by Dtruthspeaker: 6:13pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
KnownUnknown: As if we all have not seen that you do not have any reasonable thing to say after I answer you. |
Re: As Humans, We're Programmed To Be "Logical" In Our Thinking. by Kobojunkie: 6:25pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
SeniorMan715:According to Jesus Christ, except a man be born-again, He cannot enter into the Kingdom of God - John 3 vs 1 - 8 - through either of two gates - Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14 & Luke 13 vs 22 - 27 - the broad gate which leads to Hell(destruction) and the Narrow gate which leads to Heaven(True Life) - and He, Jesus Christ, is King over both Heaven(Eternal Reward) and Hell/HellFire(Eternal Damnation) in the Kingdom of God - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. What this all means is that even those who will spend eternity in Hellfire are all born-again. The resurrection is only for those who by reason of being born-again possess eternal life(life after death on this earth), and so unless the person who took his own life was born-again before he then decided to end his life, there is no resurrection in the cards for him. |
Re: As Humans, We're Programmed To Be "Logical" In Our Thinking. by Kobojunkie: 6:28pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
SeniorMan715:The Word of God is quite logical in the sense that you only reason through the very teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, God's Law in the Kingdom of God aka His New Covenant/agreement of Peace to all. A close look at Jesus Christ's very own teachings regarding the sin of blasphemy clearly reveals that one first has to have a relationship that involves the Holy Spirit to commit sin against Him, to begin with. 1. Anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven now and at the time of the resurrection. 31 “So I tell you, people can be forgiven for every sinful thing they do and for every bad thing they say against God. But anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven.2. Anyone guilty of speaking against the Holy Spirit will always be guilty of that sin 28 “I want you to know that people can be forgiven for all the sinful things they do. They can even be forgiven for the bad things they say against God.3. Anyone guilty of speaking against the Spirit of God will not be forgiven. 10 “Whoever says something against the Son of Man can be forgiven. But whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. - Luke 12 vs 10 I believe the very answers to your questions are provided in the passages above taken directly from the teachings of Jesus Christ, God's Truth and Law. |
Re: As Humans, We're Programmed To Be "Logical" In Our Thinking. by Kobojunkie: 6:34pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
SeniorMan715:Again, only those who possess eternal life(life after death) will be resurrected when Jesus Christ returns in the glory of His Kingdom, the Kingdom of God, meaning only those who were born-again - before the death of course - will be resurrected. All others who perished in the grave as a result of having no life after death will not be a part of the resurrection of the Kingdom of God. Now, there is the resurrection of the Jews aka the righteous children of Israel which is slated to take place 1000 years, according to the dream/visions recorded by John, before the resurrection of those of the Kingdom of God. In that resurrection, only the righteous Jews aka those who obtained eternal life as a result of dying in the righteous state to the Old Law of Moses - the Constitution of the Nation of Israel - will be raised from the dead in that first resurrection. Those you highlighted above will not be a part of any of the resurrections. Since in both cases, they do not meet the criteria for resurrection. |
Re: As Humans, We're Programmed To Be "Logical" In Our Thinking. by Kobojunkie: 6:41pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
SeniorMan715:Before we proceed, I need you to understand that the commands below were given by God to those who are of the blood of Jacob a part of the National Constitution which God designed and put together specifically for the children of Israel in the Land of Canaan - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20. This means no other people or nations in this world are covered under this same constitution nor are they to live by it since God specifically exempted all others from this agreement from its beginning. As you can see, God's Law to the people of Israel( and the foreigners who live among them) through Moses clearly indicates that they are not to eat blood. 10 “I will turn against those who eat blood whether they are citizens of Israel or foreigners living among you, I will separate them from their people. |
Re: As Humans, We're Programmed To Be "Logical" In Our Thinking. by Kobojunkie: 6:48pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
SeniorMan715:Jesus Christ answered that very question for you by Himself in His teachings.... 6 Jesus answered, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. The only way to the Father is through me.He is God's very own Way(Law and agreement), God's Truth, and the same Eternal Life that is God Himself. He is born of the very essence of the Father, even though He is not all that is the Father, as He also informed you of this when He explained that the Father is greater than He - John 14 vs 28 |
Re: As Humans, We're Programmed To Be "Logical" In Our Thinking. by Kobojunkie: 6:57pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
SeniorMan715:If you visit Jesus Christ's very own teachings regarding prayer, you would realize that by His very own decree, what you folks consider praying for each other is in fact sin against God. 5 “When you pray, don’t be like the hypocrites. They love to stand in the synagogues and on the street corners and pray loudly. They want people to see them. The truth is, that’s all the reward they will get.According to the same Jesus Christ.... 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. - Matthew 24 vs 35.... 33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. - Luke 21 vs 33... meaning that what you lot practice when you pray in public and to the hearing of others, is not only against God but the answers you claim to receive when you engage in these antichrist rituals also does not come from God. |
Re: As Humans, We're Programmed To Be "Logical" In Our Thinking. by Kobojunkie: 7:02pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
SeniorMan715:1. In the Kingdom of God, God didn't command that anyone clap and sing praises to Him as a way of honoring Him. God is only honored by our direct obedience to His very teachings and commandments, so when you engage in rituals that are not commanded by Him, you technically do so in vain. It would be better for you to, when you feel the need to praise God, get yourself doing diligently that which He in fact commands, so He can happily praise you as a faithful servant of His. 2. Jesus Christ explicitly stated that He does not seek nor desire praise from any human being. He discouraged the praising of His person by humans. 40 But you refuse to come to me to have that life.The same Jesus Christ said that those who do what He commands are those who belong to Him. 13 The greatest love people can show is to die for their friends.So it is better to do that which God in fact commands than engage in rituals that are of no meaning to Him? According to Jesus Christ, it is better to get the praise that comes from God Himself - be a faithful and trusted servant always doing that which pleases the father - than engaging in that which does not bring the honor of any kind to the Father. |
Re: As Humans, We're Programmed To Be "Logical" In Our Thinking. by Kobojunkie: 7:09pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
SeniorMan715:See above! Your many public prayers are a sin against God. |
Re: As Humans, We're Programmed To Be "Logical" In Our Thinking. by Kobojunkie: 7:16pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
SeniorMan715:Here's the thing! This logical God of ours did not call men to following of religion and it's many denominations. What He instead did was offer to individuals a contract by which they can, through trust and obedience to the terms and conditions of the said contract/covenant, build and maintain a direct relationship with Him. The particular contract/agreement in our case is Jesus Christ, the embodiment of God's Law and Truth in the Kingdom of God. That man chose to build for themselves religion - complete with kingdoms/businesses and empires(franchises, denominations even), atop of that which God has given to men, does not change that which God has given nor does it lower the standard required by God in the relationship He proposed to men. Not a single jot of that which is contained in God's agreement is changed by the acts of men, men and their many kingdoms on earth will pass away but not a single Word of God will change or be tweaked in the process, as that which was established over 2000 years ago, remains the same - the Covenant unchanged. |
Re: As Humans, We're Programmed To Be "Logical" In Our Thinking. by Kobojunkie: 7:21pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
SeniorMan715:As explained earlier, the First resurrection is the resurrection of the righteous Jews aka the children of Israel, this in accordance with God's agreement with them - The National Constitution of the Nation of Israel given to them via Moses - which was ratified in Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20. According to that agreement, only the righteous among them receive Eternal life and hence sleep in their graves until the day of resurrection. The second resurrection, which is the resurrection of those who are of the Kingdom of God, takes place, according to the dreams/visions of John recorded in the book of Revelations, 1000 years after the first, and in this resurrection, it is majorly all the Gentiles who are of the Kingdom of God - since the Jews who were of the Kingdom of God will have been raised in the first resurrection. The second resurrection proceeds judgment for those who are also of the Kingdom of God - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. |
Re: As Humans, We're Programmed To Be "Logical" In Our Thinking. by Kobojunkie: 7:26pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
SeniorMan715:Do not trust translations. Never do that as that amounts to putting your trust in men and as God clearly revealed in Jeremiah 17 vs 5, everyone who puts their trust in men is cursed. Rather, focus and start by putting all of your trust in God, the one with whom you are meant to be in a relationship with. Trust Him to reveal to you His Truth regardless of which translations you read from or are in error. |
Re: As Humans, We're Programmed To Be "Logical" In Our Thinking. by LordReed(m): 7:27pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
Dtruthspeaker: It was thought of, told and written by men. LoLz. 2 can play. |
Re: As Humans, We're Programmed To Be "Logical" In Our Thinking. by Kobojunkie: 7:36pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
SeniorMan715:According to scripture, Jesus Christ's return in the glory of His Kingdom isn't supposed to take place until after 1000 years of the millennial reign, according to the dream/visions of John recorded in the Book of Revelations, which begins after the first resurrection has taken place. And as far as we all know, the first resurrection has yet to happen, and neither has the millennial reign. 2 There are many rooms in my Father’s house. I would not tell you this if it were not true. I am going there to prepare a place for you.Over 2000 years ago, Jesus Christ informed His disciples that He would need to come back to then take them to His father's house which He prepared for them. Surely, this is a clear enough indication that no man, not even His very disciples has been granted access to Heaven. Instead, instead sleep in their graves, along with all other born-agains(those who have eternal life) waiting for His return and judge them first - John 5 vs 19 - 29. |
Re: As Humans, We're Programmed To Be "Logical" In Our Thinking. by Kobojunkie: 7:41pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
SeniorMan715:1. His plan was bigger than the rebellion of Adam and Eve. Does a CEO scrap his entire plan because of betrayal from some of his employees? Why would you expect God to have done that in this case? 2. There is no evidence that Satan "rebelled" against God - not in all of scripture there isn't. Instead, what scripture instead points to is a creature created exactly for the purpose that he serves, a purpose which is used by God in accomplishing His very Will in the lives of the same men who "rebel" against Him. |
Re: As Humans, We're Programmed To Be "Logical" In Our Thinking. by Kobojunkie: 7:50pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
SeniorMan715:According to the writer of the letter to the believers of Hebrew descent, the only end that awaits all those who are born-again yet refusing to obey the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christs. God's Truth and Law in the Kingdom of God, is eternal damnation after the resurrection and judgment to take place when Jesus Christ returns. 26 If we decide to continue sinning after we have learned the truth, then there is no other sacrifice that will take away sins.In the Kingdom of God, the only way to be made free from slavery to sin is through continuous submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ 31 So Jesus said to the Jews who believed in him, “If you continue to accept and obey my teaching, you are really my followers.However, there will be many who by refusing to carefully obey the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, will remain slaves to sin until the end. There is no free lunch to save them, like the one that saved them from the debt that they - those of Hebrew descent - formerly owed the Law of Moses before they became born-again, as the only sure end left would be an eternity in damnation. So, essentially, what the writer of the letters to those believers of Hebrew descent is saying is that even though they may have been redeemed from the debt owed to the Law of Moses, they are not also redeemed from the debt they owe as far as the Law in the Kingdom of God. And so, those Jews who decided to continue living in sin even after becoming born-again will all end up in eternal damnation. |
Re: As Humans, We're Programmed To Be "Logical" In Our Thinking. by Kobojunkie: 7:58pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
SeniorMan715:In the Gospels, Jesus Christ does not teach that divorce is a sin. Instead, He speaks instead of remarriage being a potential sin for those already divorced, and even those about to marry for the first time. ■ Matthew 5 vs 31 - 32 31 “It was also said, ‘Any man who divorces his wife must give her a written notice of divorce.’■ Matthew 19 vs 7 - 9 7 The Pharisees asked, “Then why did Moses give a command allowing a man to divorce his wife by writing a certificate of divorce?”■Mark 10 vs 10- 12 10 Later, when the followers and Jesus were in the house, they asked him again about the question of divorce.■ Luke 16 vs 18 18 “Any man who divorces his wife and marries another woman is guilty of adultery. And the man who marries a divorced woman is also guilty of adultery.” - Luke 16 vs 18Divorce in and of itself is not a sin, so says Jesus Christ. SeniorMan715:Marriage wasn't designed by God to serve as a shackle against men and women. Man made it seem that way through his deceit. |
Re: As Humans, We're Programmed To Be "Logical" In Our Thinking. by SeniorMan715(m): 8:00pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
You need the scriptures to know how to serve God and fellow his will 2 Timothy 3-16:17 Kobojunkie: |
Re: As Humans, We're Programmed To Be "Logical" In Our Thinking. by Kobojunkie: 8:03pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
SeniorMan715:The disciples and many of the first Christians did not have direct access to the scriptures themselves, so how did they know how to serve God and follow His Will without first having a copy of the scripture for themselves? Does scripture lead them to God or does God maybe lead them to scripture? Which comes first? |
Re: As Humans, We're Programmed To Be "Logical" In Our Thinking. by SeniorMan715(m): 8:11pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
Matt. 7:15–20 John 17:11, 14–15 Kobojunkie: |
Re: As Humans, We're Programmed To Be "Logical" In Our Thinking. by SeniorMan715(m): 8:12pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
Maybe God leading them Kobojunkie: |
Re: As Humans, We're Programmed To Be "Logical" In Our Thinking. by Kobojunkie: 8:13pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
SeniorMan715:You would have to take your time to explain to me what aspects of what is written in those passages leads you to believe God's contract and Law in the Kingdom of God, Jesus Christ, is illogical. |
Re: As Humans, We're Programmed To Be "Logical" In Our Thinking. by SeniorMan715(m): 8:24pm On Oct 13, 2022 |
Marriage has a vow do you know ? Kobojunkie: |
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