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Re: Trinity In Islam!? Muslims Cannot Explain! by LegalWolf: 6:53pm On Oct 25, 2022 |
Hey TenQ, My very simple question is still begging for an explanation I once told you that my personal preference is that Injil should be transacribed as Gospel and not Bible and you asked me to provide a source. Ran through a couple of Arabic Dictionaries here: https://www.lexilogos.com/english/arabic_dictionary.htm#; https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english-arabic/bible?q=Bible (surprisingly, I think I saw a dictionary source where injil was translated as one of the four canon books of the NT. Not too sure on this.) if you don't mind I share the link of an Arabic Bible App to you translating Each Gospel as Injil. In fact, I just got to learn what Bible is called in Arabic (I used to erroneously call the fraudulent and dubious NT canon for Injil ). So there you have your answer! Remember, you claim you do not want to win an argument and you are more concerned with the truth. At least, you have conceded I was truthful when I gave a direct translation of Q7:157 and you even said you would never hire a lawyer like me because it is automatic loss. Maybe because I stick faithfully to my profession of being an Officer of the Court who instinctively seek the truth always. Now as you will remember in Proverbs 12:22 which admonish that a lying lip is an abomination to the Lord. And your quest is for Truth and not winning an argument. I ask as follows: - Having cited two dictionaries which directly translates Injil to the Gospel and not the Bible, DO YOU CONDEDE THAT THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO AUTHORITIVE SOURCES IS CORRECTLY TRANSLATED AS INJIL AND NOT THE COMPEDIUM CALLED BIBLE? - Again, remember you are for the Truth and not to win an argument. If you doubt that, can you prove that in Arabic, Injil is the ONLY term used to refer to the Bible and no other. - Finally, my question begs for an answer which you have not even attempted to answer is reproduced below: Remember, my good friend TenQ, that this is your claim: 1. Quran 7:157 says the unlettered prophet is mentioned in the Gospel. (Premise 1) 2. You Claim that Muslims look up to the book of John as evidence that the Prophet was mentioned in the Gospel (Premise 2) 3. Therefore, the Book of John is a creation of a divine being (Conclusion). It goes without saying that If there is another gospel which Muslims look up to as evidence that the Prophet was mentioned in it, that Gospel should also qualify as a word of God. This is me simply restating your logic. So to ask again, BASED ON YOUR LOGIC AND PREMISE stated above, ARE YOU PREPARED TO ALSO ACCEPT AN APOCRYPAL GOSPEL WHICH FULFILS YOUR SECOND PREMISE AS A BOOK OF GOD'? |
Re: Trinity In Islam!? Muslims Cannot Explain! by TenQ: 7:15pm On Oct 25, 2022 |
LegalWolf:Why would you cite books Christians have no faith in? Does it make sense to you? If I cite an Arabic work and claim it is part of the Qur'an, would that make good sense to you? LegalWolf:Your arguments are so lame. You Muslims have been looking INTO our SCRIPTURE for evidence of your prophet. Allah says Mohammed is found mentioned in OUR books: are the apocryphal literatures our books? I assume you are a SUNNI Muslim and not SHIA. Do you think it sounds logical for me to IMPOSE Shia literatures on you!? Very lame argument! 1 Like |
Re: Trinity In Islam!? Muslims Cannot Explain! by LegalWolf: 8:40pm On Oct 25, 2022 |
TenQ: Lol, this is the same turn around logic I have tried to explain to you in simple terms. I love how you stretch the limit of your logic and see how fruitless it is. You cannot defend the Bible. Let me summarize again - I asked you whether the Book of John was truly a product of a divine being - In response to my question, YOU cited the QURAN to show that Muslims relied on it - I objected to you citing the Quran but you remember your response? It goes something like this 'you are citing a book that is acceptable to me' - The Question you now ask here was exactly a paraphrase of what I was asking you which you did not respond to 'why would you cite a book you have no faith in'? Or have you forgotten I asked you a similar line of question? I tried to explain logic to you but you refused to heed. BUT THEN AGAIN, my Yoruba friends/relatives will say your 'shalaye' (roughly meaning exposition) is unnecessary. Back to the simple Questions please. (which I have slightly moderated)? ARE YOU NOT AFTER THE TRUTH AGAIN? . And thank you so much for teaching me how to use highlights. I will go ahead to decorate my posts with it so you can see as clearly as possible. ------------ Now as you will remember in Proverbs 12:22 which admonish that a lying lip is an abomination to the Lord. And your quest is for Truth and not winning an argument. I admonish you as our sweet yhwh did in the book of proverbs not to lie. Answer my questions HONESTLY and TRUTHFULLY as follows: - Having cited two dictionaries which directly translates Injil to the Gospel and not the Bible, DO YOU CONDEDE THAT THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO AUTHORITIVE SOURCES IS CORRECTLY TRANSLATED AS INJIL AND NOT THE COMPEDIUM CALLED BIBLE? - Again, remember you are for the Truth and not to win an argument. If you doubt that, can you prove that in Arabic, Injil is the ONLY term used to refer to the Bible and no other. - let me put it in another way, DO YOU AGREE THAT THE 'GOSPEL' ACCORDING TO MARK, MATTHEW, JOHN ETC... IS TRANSLATED IN ARABIC BIBLES AS INJIL? . If not, what other term apart from Injil do Christians use to translate 'Gospel' in Arabic Bible? - REMEMBER MY GOOD FRIEND TENQ THAT THE EMPHASIS HERE IS ON THE TRUTH AND NOT TO WIN AN ARGUMENT . This were your words which I agree to. I have conceded to things that you think were against my interest. Lol! So you work the talk here our good sweet servant of yhwh - Finally, my question begs for an answer which you have not even attempted to answer is reproduced below: Remember, my good friend TenQ, that this is your claim: 1. Quran 7:157 says the unlettered prophet is mentioned in the Gospel. (Premise 1) 2. You claim that Muslims look up to the book of John as evidence that the Prophet was mentioned in the Gospel (Premise 2) 3. Therefore, the Book of John is a creation of a divine being (Conclusion). It goes without saying that If there is another gospel which Muslims look up to as evidence that the Prophet was mentioned in it, that Gospel should also qualify as a word of God. This is me simply restating your logic. So to ask again, BASED ON YOUR LOGIC AND PREMISE stated above, ARE YOU PREPARED TO ALSO ACCEPT AN APOCRYPAL GOSPEL WHICH FULFILS YOUR SECOND PREMISE AS A BOOK OF GOD'? |
Re: Trinity In Islam!? Muslims Cannot Explain! by LegalWolf: 8:58pm On Oct 25, 2022 |
TenQ: And wait my good friend TenQ, this is NOT a response to your previous post but just a rejoinder. As you can jointly respond to two of my post at once, if you consider your argument strong enough, you can reply to this and my previous post together. FOR EMPHASIS, MY QUESTIONS IN MY PREVIOUS POST STILL STANDS You asked if you can impose the Shia scriptures on Me and we Muslims looking at Christian Books for evidence of the Prophet. Let me treat both claims together. I told you there way many ways to skin a cat and the strategy I set for you is what you are coming to terms with. Again, yhwh cannot save your or the bible. Let me reproduce my premise and logic below: - I concede that Q7:157 says that the prophet is written in the Injil and Taorah (with Jews and Christians) [INFACT, YOU AGREED AND EVEN CITED SOURCES WHICH CONFIRMED MY TRANSLATION WAS AS LITERAL AS POSSIBEL] - The crux of your argument is that since Muslims look point to the book of John (sic Book of the Christians), that is evidence that the Injil with Christians is a product of divine creation - I contested that. I first argued that Injil roughly translates as Gospel and not the Bible (and I have given ample evidence as you requested me to) and the word Injil should not extend to book of the Christian. - And even if it does extend to that, the simple question is [B] WHICH BOOK OF THE CHRISTIANS [/B] Is it Catholic or Protestant? Greek Orthodox or Armenian? Nestorian or which one exactly THIS WERE MY QUESTIONS WHICH YOU DID NOT PROVIDE AN ANSWER TO or did you? - Your analogy is even dumb to start with and that is why Christianity is the dumbest religion on earth. If Shia and Sunni disagree on EVERYTHING, it is NEVER THE CENTRAL BOOK OF ISLAM. Again, If an ASHKENAZI and MIZRAHI Jew disagree on everything, not their central book which is the Taorah. DOES THAT APPLY TO CHRISTIANITY |
Re: Trinity In Islam!? Muslims Cannot Explain! by TenQ: 9:58pm On Oct 25, 2022 |
LegalWolf:Your incoherence coupled with the length of your pitch is disturbing. I almost cannot feel the direction of your pitch. I will bring out two of your questions 1. DO YOU CONDEDE THAT THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO AUTHORITIVE SOURCES IS CORRECTLY TRANSLATED AS INJIL AND NOT THE COMPEDIUM CALLED BIBLE? I asked you a question and you turn it around without answering the question as if I was implying that Gospel doesn't translate into Injeel. If you have answered the question, I would have asked you what does Gospel mean? For Injeel is meaningless without the meaning of Gospel. Therefore, I asked again, what does Injeel mean? Why do you keep up repeating a LIE as my conclusion in your quote below (even after I corrected you)? 1. Quran 7:157 says the unlettered prophet is mentioned in the Gospel. (Premise 1) The best Muslims do is to set up a Strawman argument. SMH! 1. Did your prophet know that Jesus wrote no books? 2. If you claim that Jesus wrote a book, what is your evidence? 3. What name did your prophet call the book of the Christians? Did he have any other name apart from Injeel? The ignorance of your prophet made him not to know that Christian Bible contain several books. Mohammed in his ignorance called the book of the Christians Injeel just as he didn't know that the Torah consists of FIVE separate books! I can't help Mohammed's ignorance. Your Strawman argument cannot work on me! YOUR OTHER POST: You should ask Mohammed: "Which book was the Christians of his time used"! A confused Illiterate was Mohammed, how could he know better: no wonder! He is best at SEDUCING the Wife of His adopted Son! Using your wonderful logic: Mohammed is found written in the Torah and the Gospels, yet they have found Mohamedeen in book the Songs of Solomon (who h was earlier ascribed to be pornographic)! Can you TRUTHFULLY say that the people of the book (singular) have ONLY THREE Books as Scriptures Injeel, Zabur and Taurat ? I won't be surprised if you tell a lie or ignore the question as usual! 1 Like |
Re: Trinity In Islam!? Muslims Cannot Explain! by NNTR: 10:57pm On Oct 25, 2022 |
LegalWolf, please share in a short succinct way, what Islam has on the table as offers, matching or equal to the following: 1.) the gift of salvation, 2.) the plan of redemption, 3.) reconciliation and 4.) atonement Surah Yunus, [10:94]: فَإِن كُنتَ فِى شَكٍّ مِّمَّآ أَنزَلْنَآ إِلَيْكَ فَسْـَٔلِ ٱلَّذِينَ يَقْرَءُونَ ٱلْكِتَٰبَ مِن قَبْلِكَ ۚ لَقَدْ جَآءَكَ ٱلْحَقُّ مِن رَّبِّكَ فَلَا تَكُونَنَّ مِنَ ٱلْمُمْتَرِينَ LegalWolf beloved, the Quran in Surah 10:94, as seen above, evidently is advising Muslims, to receive good information from non-Muslims (i.e. people who arent necessarily believers of Allah nor the tenets of Islam aka Pillars of Islam) 5.) Now, LegalWolf, who do you think 'People of Book' mentioned in that Surah 10:94 verse above, is referring to? 6.) What is the Gospel? Define what the Gospel. What is the Gospel coming from a muslim perspective and/or Islam viewpoint? cc TenQ Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
Re: Trinity In Islam!? Muslims Cannot Explain! by johnw47: 11:17pm On Oct 25, 2022 |
Maynman: Ecclesiastes 7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool marymam @bold, nairaland's big dum dum insaneo u forever tormented, hateful, and angry, it comes from your father satan: Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 1 Like |
Re: Trinity In Islam!? Muslims Cannot Explain! by Maynman: 11:21pm On Oct 25, 2022 |
johnw47: Wakanda 5:5— as bitter as bitter leaf, your life will be much more bitter, you’ll have no reason to LAUGH, your live will be full of sorrow and agony. You are forever doomed, pained and unfortunate, nothing good shall come your way, sorrow and sadness shall be with you everyday of your life like your momma and FATHER! You’ll die in PAIN AND AGONY just like your imbecil.e FATHER, yahweh. Resentment and Pain shall be your watchword as it is for your FATHER. Legbegbe 4:19–20– Your father is Satan, a Rapist and a Murderer, he’s long dead and useless and only found in jewish Fictions. Your father, satan is a Liar, The only thing worse than a liar is a liar that's also a hypocrite and it’s lies that killed him and soon his brainwashed followers! Is this how johhny smelling momma laugh at home
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Re: Trinity In Islam!? Muslims Cannot Explain! by TenQ: 11:30pm On Oct 25, 2022 |
NNTR:Islam guarantees perpetual erection, endless sex, free brothels and booze in paradise for Muslims. There is another guarantee for them: they will all enter Hell fire before Allah will replace them with us Christians as a ransom. |
Re: Trinity In Islam!? Muslims Cannot Explain! by NNTR: 12:04am On Oct 26, 2022 |
TenQ:On top of LegalWolf responding to those easy peasy lemon squeezy innocent, harmless and straightforward 6 questions, please I beg either you and/or LegalWolf to provide the Quran or Hadith verses that substantiates these guaranteed ironic promises Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
Re: Trinity In Islam!? Muslims Cannot Explain! by LegalWolf: 12:17am On Oct 26, 2022 |
TenQ: Our good friend TenQ, you gave a challenge that you are after the Truth and not to win an argument. Now I am calling you to TRUTHFULLY and HONESTLY walk the talk as your yhwh as enjoined you in the book of provers. Definitely he hates liars and fraudsters. Look at my assertion here: ...Are you telling me that when the word gospel is mentioned (which is the direct translation of Injil), this is the book we are talking about? [/u]. And your response to that post (and particularly to that portion of my assertion is this: [i] ...What does the word Injeel mean? Is it a book or a compilation of books? Please cite references . I have you given you evidence BOTH from ARABIC BIBLE and SECULAR Christian Sources that Injil means Gospel. On the other hand of your question, it does NOT IN ANY WAY MEAN COMPILATION OF BOOKS. It is Injil according to Yohanna, Luk, Yuda etc What does the word Injeel mean? Is it a book or a compilation of books? Please cite references . Now here is your dumb rebuttal as follows: ...If you have answered the question, I would have asked you what does Gospel mean? For Injeel is meaningless without the meaning of Gospel. TenQ all you asked me to do was: - what is the meaning of Injil - is a book or compilation of books - Please provide reference. I answered you that Injil means book. Further, I told you (after citing cambridge Arabic dictionary that I guess I saw that Injil refers to one of the books of the Bible. Now I have gone to check and this is the reference - https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english-arabic/gospel) Our beloved son of yhwh who goes by the moniker TenQ DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? Have I provided references saying Injil is a book not a compilation of Books? TENQ I cited CAMBRIDGE dictionary for crying out loud and NOT your usual nonsense. I have showed you my proof, what is yours Mr. TenQ? '...For Injeel is meaningless without the meaning of the gospel...', so says who Barrister TenQ? Such incontinent incoherence gushing out from your mouth!!!!!!!!!? Am I asking you for the etymology of the word Injeel? Or where it is derived from or what the gospel means You asked me to tell you the meaning of Injil within the context of my assertion that It does NOT refer to the Bible as a collection of Gospel BUT just one gospel. So you have to prove: - In Arabic, what is the direct translation of the word Injil - Whether in Arabic, it is understood as gospel or compilation of gospels (like the NT) and - Any evidence to back you up. OTHER POINTS You asked as follows: 1. Did your prophet know that Jesus wrote no books? 2. If you claim that Jesus wrote a book, what is your evidence? 3. What name did your prophet call the book of the Christians? Did he have any other name apart from Injeel? You are going off the rail. Every single question you asked is to run away from the obvious. With me, and you should know by now, that there is no running helter-skelter. Every point will be addressed and address well. No ad hominem or straw man argument will deter me. It is completely irrelevant to the Questions which I ask you and now reproduce below again (having taken due consideration of your 'correction') REMEMBER THAT THE KEY THING HERE IS NOT TO WIN AN ARGUMENT BUT THE TRUTH ------ Now as you will remember in Proverbs 12:22 which admonish that a lying lip is an abomination to the Lord. And your quest is for Truth and not winning an argument. I admonish you as our sweet yhwh did in the book of proverbs not to lie. Answer my questions HONESTLY and TRUTHFULLY as follows: - Having cited two dictionaries which directly translates Injil to the Gospel and not the Bible, DO YOU CONCEDE THAT THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO AUTHORITIVE SOURCES IS CORRECTLY TRANSLATED AS INJIL AND NOT THE COMPEDIUM CALLED BIBLE? - Again, remember you are for the Truth and not to win an argument. If you doubt that, can you prove that in Arabic, Injil is the ONLY term used to refer to the Bible and no other. - let me put it in another way, DO YOU AGREE THAT THE 'GOSPEL' ACCORDING TO MARK, MATTHEW, JOHN ETC... IS TRANSLATED IN ARABIC BIBLES AS INJIL? . If not, what other term apart from Injil do Christians use to translate 'Gospel' in Arabic Bible? - REMEMBER MY GOOD FRIEND TENQ THAT THE EMPHASIS HERE IS ON THE TRUTH AND NOT TO WIN AN ARGUMENT . This were your words which I agree to. I have conceded to things that you think were against my interest. Lol! So you walk the talk here our good sweet son of yhwh - Finally, my question begs for an answer which you have not even attempted to answer is reproduced below: Given you have changed gear, Remember, my good friend TenQ, that this is your claim: 1. Quran 7:157 says the unlettered prophet is mentioned in the Gospel. (Premise 1) 2. You claim that Muslims look up to the book of John as evidence that the Prophet was mentioned in the Gospel (Premise 2) 3. Therefore, why would Muslims look for fulfilment of prophecies about Mohammed in a book of the Christians they consider as NOT divine?. Would you Muslims look for prophecies about Mohammed or Islam in the works of Shakespear!? (Conclusion). [highlight] BECAUSE THEY ARE FOLLOWING YOUR LOGIC MY GOOD FRIEND TENQ . LIKE YOU, THEY ARE CITING BOOKS WHICH THEY KNOW YOU WILL FIND ACCEPTABLE !!!!!!!!!!! . It goes without saying that If you could cite the Quran in a conversation regarding the Bible, why can't Muslims cite the Bible in conversations regarding the Quran? This is me simply restating the book of logic according to TenQ! My good friend TenQ, AFTER WIGGLING AROUND, YOU HAVE FAILED TO SHOW US WHY WE SHOULD TAKE THE BOOK OF JOHN AS A WORK OF A DIVINe BEING . - Is it because some Muslim look to it for the fulfilment for the prophecy about Mohammed (pbuh) in this book as per your logic? - If so, are you prepared to accept apocryphal books that some Muslims look up to to as fulfilling the prophecies of Mohammed as the Word of God? - If not, why should we accept the former and not the latter? Simple as ABC. Yes or No answer without excessive turanchi 1 Like |
Re: Trinity In Islam!? Muslims Cannot Explain! by TenQ: 1:10am On Oct 26, 2022 |
LegalWolf:Islam and LIES is indistinguishable! The more reason you will not answer my question. Can you TRUTHFULLY say that the people of the book (singular) have ONLY THREE Books as Scriptures Injeel, Zabur and Taurat ? Let me help you reset your hyper noise. I asked you what Injeel means? You changed the topic by insinuating that I am denying that Injeel is attributed to mean Gospel. Unfortunately, this stance you took because you are avoiding tracing the Arabic word Injeel to the MEANING of the Word Gospel. How did Injeel become GOSPEL (that is the Question). But let me help you RESET properly to ground level. I seems you are uncomfortable with my three Islamic witnesses as you couldn't find any reasonable response against issues raised about 1. Muslim Apologists 2. Allah and 3. Mohammed Instead, you were prepared to go on a verbuse rants of meaningless copy-paste. It looks like you'll prefer that I use other means pther than Islamic Sources for answering your question! I will be willing to use non-Islamic means as long as the deal is FAIR by examples. Is this okay by you? Your Question: Whether the Book of John is book of divine creation or any of the books of the New Testament. TWO CONDITIONS 1. So, state the kind of evidence that would be SATISFACTORY for you? 1 Like |
Re: Trinity In Islam!? Muslims Cannot Explain! by johnw47: 5:39am On Oct 26, 2022 |
Maynman: Ecclesiastes 7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool marymam u poor tormented, angry, hateful, and so so dum fearful son of devil: rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death. 1 Like |
Re: Trinity In Islam!? Muslims Cannot Explain! by LegalWolf: 6:42am On Oct 26, 2022 |
TenQ: LOL! We should not lose sight of the question my good friend. yhwh bears me witness to the following: I asked '...Are you telling me that when the word gospel is mentioned (which is the direct translation of Injil), this is the book we are talking about? . Your [direct] response to that post was the following: ...What does the word Injeel mean? Is it a book or a compilation of books? Please cite references . How the Injeel became Gospel is you, Arab Christians and yhwh's business not mine. Or are you denying the question you asked me is in the context of my assertion? Your logic completely does not make sense. Perhaps, if I give you an example, you will understand: - You and I travelled to the Greek Island of Syros - There we came across a copy of the ancient manuscript in one of their Museums. - This manuscript is written in Greek (the original language of the Bible) and the guide reading it calls Jesus Iesous. - I asked you 'what does Iesous mean'? Apparently we are speaking English not Idoma or Tiv - Your response is that it is directly translated in English Language and English Bibles as Jesus. - Then I tell you 'Jesus does not make any sense'!!!!!!!!!! Jesus is meaningless! - This is how dumb your argument sounds Barrister TenQ. The questions we should concern ourselves with is: - Do English Speakers translate Iesous as Jesus?; - Do English Bible translate Iesous as Jesus? - Do English people claim that the word 'Jesus' has an innate meaning in the English Language? This is just commonsensical that we should not be telling a kid. Remember your question was asked in the context of my assertion. The meaning of Injil traceable to any other language is none of my business. I am asserting that: - Injil is directly translated to mean Gospel in Arabic; - It is understood as a single canon in Arabic language; - I have provided evidence to support my claim that it is understood as a single canon in Arabic language; - What it is traceable to (i.e., it's etymology and meaning in another language) and the understanding of it in that Language is YOU AND YOUR YHWH'S PROBLEM NOT MINE - BARRISTER TENQ, ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS BRING EVIDENCE WHICH CONTRADICTS THE UNDERSTANDING OF INJIL IS NOT GOSPEL IN ARABIC; AND IT MEANS MULTIPLE CANONS IN ARABIC . How simple can that be? That I am uncomfortable using Islamic Sources? Really Barrister TenQ. I am simply restating your logic which I reproduce below: ... YOU HAVE FAILED TO SHOW US WHY WE SHOULD TAKE THE BOOK OF JOHN AS A WORK OF DIVINE BEING. - Is it because some Muslim look to it for the fulfilment for the prophecy about Mohammed (pbuh) in this book as per your logic? - If so, are you prepared to accept apocryphal books that some Muslims look up to to as fulfilling the prophecies of Mohammed as the Word of God? - if not, why the former and not the latter? . yhwh bears me witness that I am simply restating your logic Barrister TenQ Finally, you asked what evidence am I prepared to accept that the Book of John is a product of a divine being. It is your case Barrister TenQ. Call any witness to the witness box and I would not help you conduct your case. Your witness could be yhwh, it could be yehoshua or just name it. It is improper in law and common sense for your opponent to tell you which evidence to bring particularly IF YOU ARE THE ONE MAKING AN ASSERTION . All I would do is just to see if it complies with reason. PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTION ON INJIL ABOVE REMEMBER, MY GOOD FRIEND THAT WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRUTH |
Re: Trinity In Islam!? Muslims Cannot Explain! by Maynman: 7:11am On Oct 26, 2022 |
Wakanda 5:5— as bitter as bitter leaf, your life will be much more bitter, you’ll have no reason to LAUGH, your live will be full of sorrow and agony. johnw47:You are forever a worthless SLAVE, doomed, pained and unfortunate, nothing good shall come your way, sorrow and sadness shall be with you everyday of your life like your momma and FATHER! You’ll die in PAIN AND AGONY just like your imbecil.e FATHER, yahweh. Resentment and Pain shall be your watchword as it is for your FATHER. Wakanda 5:4— because they are basing their miserable lifes on random books with UNKNOWN AUTHORS they and their family will be unfortunate till DEATH! Legbegbe 4:19–20– It shall not be well with Yahweh worshippers, including their handicapped son of man and ESPECIALLY their imbecil.e HOLY SPIRIT, nothing good shall come their way. 1 Like
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Re: Trinity In Islam!? Muslims Cannot Explain! by LegalWolf: 10:44am On Oct 26, 2022 |
NNTR: Since I am still expecting TenQ to TRUTHFULLY and HONESTLY answer my question as he has been mute like someone with leprosy in his brain. Let me now give you my attention. QUESTIONS 1 - 4 Let me quote our beloved friend TenQ, 'Read my lips' I never said anywhere that what Islam offers is matching or equal to Salvation, Redemption, Reconciliation and Atonement If I did, please POINT IT OUT to me on this forum and I will keep quiet forever! If you agree that I did not say the above, am I right to assume that you are claiming that these four things - salvation, redemption, reconciliation and atonement - are better than anything Islam offers ? Just a simple Yes or No answer and no need for unnecessary explanation Questions 5 - 6 First question, where did you see 'people of the Book' in Quran 10:94? Just point to the phrase people of the book in that verse. Just a side note - we have the Arabic translation that we can make reference to, do you make reference to the Greek text of your Bible the same way? Second question - why should I define Gospel coming from perspective of Muslims? Of what importance is it to the first 4 questions you asked me? In fact, what is the central point you are trying to argue in this post. With TenQ, I am pretty sure the point of contention is whether Book of John is a product of divine creation. I have followed his same logic to prove otherwise and he has been quiet. With you NNTR, what is the focus point of contention . |
Re: Trinity In Islam!? Muslims Cannot Explain! by NNTR: 1:08pm On Oct 26, 2022 |
LegalWolf:It is not rocket science to know the TenQ has been sanctioned LegalWolf:Was it at all necessary to descend to this base and uncouth level of communication. Hmm? Havent you clocked that its ya'll uncalled for long posts that's whats earning y'all posting bans LegalWolf:I suppose, its a matter of better late than never LegalWolf:I am sure you know the difference between a request for information and attribution It was an easy simple, harmless, innocent straightforward request for information. No one ascribed anything to you. It was an 'ahead of the game' request for a honest, sincere and truthful response from you LegalWolf:This exactly what objective of the questioning was, which is to find out precisely and particularly what Islam offers in terms of the salvation, redemption, reconciliation back to God and atonement of the soul LegalWolf:It'll be irresponsible of me, to give a Yes or No answer to uncertainty a matter that's not only a subject of discourse but is open to question LegalWolf:The evidence(s) does the explanation, not me LegalWolf:If 'People of Book' is causing indigestion, how about if I swap it for 'those who read the Scripture' and rephrase the question as: 7.) Now, LegalWolf, who do you think 'those who read the Scripture' mentioned in that Surah 10:94 verse above, is referring to? 8.) Who are 'those who read' Whats their identity? 9.) What is 'the Scripture' What's another name for the Scripture they are reading? LegalWolf:You are asked to define Gospel coming from the perspective of Muslims, and Islam viewpoint so to know how your mind ticks and make comparisons with LegalWolf:It is of quite a lot of significant importance. LegalWolf:The Quran no holy pass the Bible. The point being that, while you are busy casting rocks at the Bible, just keep in the back of your mind that the Quran has its own fair share of warts, pimples, pus et cetera Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
Re: Trinity In Islam!? Muslims Cannot Explain! by LegalWolf: 1:22pm On Oct 26, 2022 |
NNTR: You are very funny. So you want me to '... give a Yes or No answer to uncertainty a matter that's not only a subject of discourse but is open to question But you cannot give an answer to that. Have you heard of the term called hypocrisy? That is exactly what you stink of! If your focal point of argument is that the Quran no holy pass the Bible... that opinion should be shove into your ass and it is none of my business. TenQ insinuated that the Bible is the word of God and that is what I am trying to ask him to prove. Not the Quran. Clear? 1 Like |
Re: Trinity In Islam!? Muslims Cannot Explain! by fawaz050(m): 1:30pm On Oct 26, 2022 |
TenQ: Peele o. Mr. Exposer |
Re: Trinity In Islam!? Muslims Cannot Explain! by johnw47: 3:39am On Oct 27, 2022 |
Maynman: marymam, nairaland's big dum dum insaneo your satanic curses cannot work against a Christian of faith 0h know nothing dil and of course by your blaspheming you are forever lost, and also those agreeing with you, who give likes to your blasphemy. you are gaining souls for satan: Mat 12:31 Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven. Mat 12:32 And whoever may speak a word against the Son of Man it will be forgiven to him, but whoever may speak against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, neither in this age, nor in that which is coming. Rev_20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown nto the lake of fire |
Re: Trinity In Islam!? Muslims Cannot Explain! by Maynman: 4:05am On Oct 27, 2022 |
Wakanda 5:5— as bitter as bitter leaf, your life will be much more bitter, you’ll have no reason to LAUGH, your live will be full of sorrow and agony. johnw47: Jannymom, nairaland most worthless slave, Your christian faith curses cannot work against the master of your jewish deity, owner of your FATHER. Oh you worthless slave with no value. By also blaspheming against me because I don’t believe in your jewish fairy tale you are forever DOOMED AND UNFORTUNATE. Nobody is agreeing with a son of smelling janny momma, you are an unfortunate nobody, a jewish slave with no value. Ass 1:12: for there are many Murderers and Rapist. Their father and his imbecil.e HOLY SPIRT are empty barrels and nonentities and all together they are deranged homophiles. Legbegbe 6:66—It shall not be well with Yahweh worshippers, including their deranged son of man and ESPECIALLY their imbecil.e HOLY SPIRIT, nothing good shall come their way. Wakanda 5:4— because they are basing their miserable lifes on random books with UNKNOWN AUTHORS they and their family will be unfortunate till DEATH!
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Re: Trinity In Islam!? Muslims Cannot Explain! by TenQ: 8:43am On Oct 27, 2022 |
Islam and LIES is indistinguishable! The more reason you will not answer my question. It is NOT by noisemaking. It is about logically defending your position which is exposed with simple questions. FACTS The use of the word Injeel predates Islam. The word Injeel is STRICLY used by the Arab Christians as a Term for the first four books of their bible called Gospel (wherein is a collection of the life and ministry of Jesus Christ). According to the Arab Christians, their Injeel is translated from the word Gospel which mean “Good News”! Similarly, the Jews also have the first five books of the Tanakh called the Torah containing the Life and Ministry of the Patriarchs, the history of Gods relation with the tribe of Israel, the Laws of Moses and the behaviour of the actors therein. According to Islam (copying the name from the Arab Christians), the term Injeel is a SINGLE book purportedly given to Jesus. The Injeel is the Book (singular as used by Allah) of the Christians as Mohammed NEVER insinuated that the Christians use other scriptures. This is exactly the same way Allah calls ALL the book of the Jews just by two books Torah and Zabur. LegalWolf:The above noise is what you get when you allow Muslims to escape answering Questions that would have solved major problems of comprehension along the road. LegalWolf, I INSIST that you answer ALL these questions one by one. ABOUT THE INJEEL 1. Is it true or is it false that the term Injeel predates Islam? 2. If the Arab Christians call the first four books of their Bible (Mathew, Mark, Luke and John) Injeel (Gospel) and the word Injeel predates Islam, what evidence do you have that Mohammed use the Word Injeel to mean something different from the usage of the Arab Christians? 3. Do Muslims have any shred of evidence to show that Jesus wrote any book? (Jesus did ministry for only THREE years). If He did, where is it or its remaining fragments? 4. Does Allah know if the people of the book have more than three books namely Taurat, Zabur and Injeel as part of their scripture? 5. If the Books of the Jews and Christians were ALREADY corrupted, why would Allah instruct Mohammed to confirm the Quran from the People of the Book. 6. If the Books of the Jews and Christians were just THREE, why would Allah instruct Mohammed to confirm the Quran from the People of the Book and not specify to them which book? 7. What name did your prophet call the BOOK of the Christians? Did he have any other name apart from Injeel and What name does the Qur'an give to the books of Moses? ABOUT THE BIBLE 8. I gave a challenge: Can you find me Islamic/Muslim Sources that EMPHATICALLY DENY that Muhammad is Prophesied by Jesus from the book of John. Failure to find examples is a prove that you tell a lie with your answer. 9. I then followed up with a PERSONAL Question to You LegalWolf Allah says in the Quran that Mohammed's name is found written in the books of the Jews and Christians (Quran 7:157) a. Is this a TRUE or FALSE statement by Allah? b. If the above is TRUE, LegalWolf, where can the reference to Mohammed be found in the books of the Christians? c. If the Mohammed is NOT Referenced by the books of the Christians, did Allah tell a lie? 10. Is the Torah just one BOOK or a compilation of Books? My Questions again: 11. Can you prove that the Scriptures Allah was referring to in the Quran had gone into extinction or Allah believed that the books were still with the Jews and Christians? 12. If the books were lost, why would Allah himself give the title "People of the Book" to Jews and Christians? 13. Did your prophet Muhammad make judgement of stoning an adulteress by asking the Jews to refer to the Torah (remember when a Jew covered the word stoning in the Torah...LOL!)? All these Questions are NOT new: but you avoided answering. Make the answers short please! |
Re: Trinity In Islam!? Muslims Cannot Explain! by TenQ: 8:46am On Oct 27, 2022 |
fawaz050:Then, please answer the question below? Muslims have been doing their best to avoid translating the Can you please honestly translate this Arabic sentence? إِنَّ عيسى وَمَلَـٰۤىِٕكَتَهُۥ یُصَلُّونَ عَلَى ٱلنَّبِیِّۚ یَـٰۤأَیُّهَا ٱلَّذِینَ ءَامَنُوا۟ صَلُّوا۟ عَلَیۡهِ وَسَلِّمُوا۟ تَسۡلِیمًا ٥ What does it say? |
Re: Trinity In Islam!? Muslims Cannot Explain! by TenQ: 9:32am On Oct 27, 2022 |
NNTR:Got banned posting here because of webpage links. 1. Eternal Erection of Muslims in paradise Ibn Kathir is a well respected commentary writer of the Qur'an. He explains Qur'an 56:36 ibn kathir tafsir surah 56 verse 36 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlXFw0PZlvU 1 Like |
Re: Trinity In Islam!? Muslims Cannot Explain! by TenQ: 9:34am On Oct 27, 2022 |
NNTR: 2. Brothels in Islamic Paradise A supermarket where you take your pick for sex from pictures (images) Source: Jami’ at-Tirmidhi 2550, https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi:2550 Ali narrated that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: ‘Indeed in Paradise there is a market in which there is no buying nor selling- except for images of men and women. So whenever a man desires an image, he enters it (for sex).’” 1 Like |
Re: Trinity In Islam!? Muslims Cannot Explain! by LegalWolf: 12:14pm On Oct 27, 2022 |
TenQ: WELCOME BACK OUR GOOD FRIEND, TENQ PRELIMINARY POINTS You said said ALL these questions are not new. We have gone too far for you to be lying like our discredited, shameless and unapologetic liar friend that goes with the moniker sixfiguresmart. I engaged you specifically to show your hypocrisy (which I can still tolerate). But lying is just out of it. Point to where you have asked me question 1,2, 3 and 7 on this platform! All of them! Just one and I will be waiting. REMEMBER THAT WE BOTH ARE AFTER THE TRUTH AND NOT TO WIN AN ARGUMENT....ISN'T IT? Now to your questions. All I see is utter mumbling and rumbling to accept the idi0cy of your logic and fallacy of your claims. The truth stares in the face and you want to avoid it. But you would not as far as I am alive. FIRST LINE OF ARGUMENT The takeaway from all I am about to say here is as follows: - Except in the post I am referring to, this is the FIRST TIME you are insinuating that the term Injeel predates Islam in our engagement. - The question you asked me were as follows ' ...What does the word Injeel mean? Is it a book or a compilation of books? Please cite references . '. I am quoting you verbatim!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yhwh bears me witness that I quoted you verbatim - And I took on the challenge by citing two online dictionaries which you can check that Injeel is translated as Gospel. - Not just that, I told you that the Cambridge Dictionary that I cited translated the arabic Injil (using their Arabic letters Alif Lam Alif Nun Jim and Lam) to Gospel. - Cambridge went further to state that it is "one of the four books in the Bible that tells the life of Jesus Christ...". (bolded by me). This is the link (https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english-arabic/gospel). - Have I answered your questions as you asked me? Have I cited my sources? Was I the one who wrote the Cambridge English Online Dictionary - Remember, our good friend TenQ, that I said the Gospel is understood as a book which cambridge my source has confirmed. And also remember that I said gospel is translated in Arabic bible as Injil. - Just to further destroy your point, take a look at the Gospel according to Matthew here [ ] (i am finding difficult copying arabic text to Nairaland). It is on this site - https://www.arabicbible.com/images/stories/sections/bible/Parallel/01_Matthew.pdf - And they repeated the same thing in the other three books Mark: https://www.arabicbible.com/images/stories/sections/bible/Parallel/02_Mark.pdf Luke: https://www.arabicbible.com/images/stories/sections/bible/Parallel/03_Luke.pdf John: https://www.arabicbible.com/images/stories/sections/bible/Parallel/04_John.pdf Now compare to Acts of the Apostle: https://www.arabicbible.com/images/stories/sections/bible/Parallel/05_Acts.pdf or Paul's letter to the Thessalonians: https://www.arabicbible.com/images/stories/sections/bible/Parallel/13_1_Thessalonians.pdf - the point is: did you see injil in any of the compared? - Question being: was I the one who wrote the arabic bible online too? or are they not credible sources as well? - The final point being that does that not establish that gospel is a book and not a collection of book? JUST TO PUT IT OUT THERE SO EVERYONE CAN SEE. YOU MADE A CLAIM AND CHALLENGED ME TO IT. I TOOK YOUR CHALLENGE AND I ACCEPTED IT LIKE EVERY HONEST AND TRUTHFUL MUSLIM WOULD DO. IT IS LEFT FOR YOU TO: 1. EITHER BRING EVIDENCE WHICH CONTRADICTS THE UNDERSTANDING THAT INJIL IS NOT GOSPEL IN ARABIC; AND IT MEANS MULTIPLE CANONS IN ARABIC OR 2. DISCEREDIT MY SOURCES/REFERENCES AS NOT BEING CREDIBLE ENOUGH. BARRISTER TENQ, CAN YOU PLEASE CALL YAHWEH OR YEHOSHUA INTO THE WITNESS BOX AND LEAD EVIDENCE TO CONTRADICT LEGALWOLF'S ARGUMENT? LOL! SECOND LINE OF ARGUMENT This jointly addresses your 'facts' and 'about the injeel'. All you just said is mumbling and does not help your case Barrister TenQ. Let me reproduce the substance below: - You assert that 'the word Injeel is STRICLY used by the Arab Christians as a Term for the first four books of their bible called Gospel (wherein is a collection of the life and ministry of Jesus Christ). . - My first question is: where is your proof for this. You asked me to cite references which I copiously did! Why making baseless assumption without evidence. Barrister TenQ, hope you know that he who asserts must prove. Or is your law now rusty? - My second question is: are you in anyway insinuating that the first four books are collectively known as Injil by Arab Christians? - If that is the case, are you attempting to say that Injil does not have a plural form in Arabic? This is not even theological question but a linguistic one. Please can you provide your answer so your position is clear in my head THIRD LINE OF ARGUMENT - Barrister TenQ, things are not always two sided. Because something is not white does not necessarily mean it is black. - This is a direct response to your question ' Can you find me Islamic/Muslim Sources that EMPHATICALLY DENY that Muhammad is Prophesied by Jesus from the book of John. Failure to find examples is a prove that you tell a lie with your answer - I was not the one who made reference to the book of John to prove that the prophet was prophesied in that Book. - YOU WERE THE ONE WHO FIRST TOLD ME IN THIS CONVERSATION THAT MUSLIMS DID . Or weren't you? Did I make that claim? yhwh bears me witness! - And my response was I do not agree or deny that Muslims make that reference. Was that not my answer? - So why on this earth would I look for something that was not my claim to start with. Many Muslims have made claims and it lies SQUARELY ON THEIR TABLE TO DEFEND THEIR CLAIMS AND NOT MINE - 'read my lips', it is not my business to defend their claim. Or are you trying to tell me that you defend all Christians claims? - And your conclusion is even baseless. ...failure is a proof that I tell a lie with my answer... . You finished from a state school and they are generally more expensive than Federal Schools from the North where I finished from. Didn't they teach you logic ? - Now to your personal question 9. Your premise is flawed and your logic laughable. I have made this point abundantly clear. What the Quran said in 7:157 is in the Torah and INJIL. Emphasis here is Torah and Injil and not the book of Jews and Christians as you have translated it - When we talk of Torah, we all know what Torah is. Is that the same for gospel As far back as the second century, there were as many as 40 different Gospels in circulation. Do you want evidence for this assertion? FOURTH LINE OF ARGUMENT 11 - 14 I have given you the explanation in previous posts and all this is an attempt to run away from my previous question. Please go read my last three (direct posts and rejoinders) and come back to tell me which of the answers I provided in response to these your questions you did not understand! REMEMBER OUR GOOD FRIEND TENQ THAT WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRUTH MUCH MORE THAN WINNING ARGUMENT. YHWH AND YEHOSHUA BEARS ME WITNESS. SO, PLEASE TRUTHFULLY AND HONESTLY ANSWER MY QUESTIONS IN HIGHLIGH |
Re: Trinity In Islam!? Muslims Cannot Explain! by johnw47: 10:38pm On Oct 27, 2022 |
Maynman: tormented and lost madman, u r full of hate and anger and cursing which comes from your god satan truly, it's a totally dum fool that blasphemes the Creator of the universe day in and day out: Mat 12:31 Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven. Mat 12:32 And whoever may speak a word against the Son of Man it will be forgiven to him, but whoever may speak against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, neither in this age, nor in that which is coming. Rev_20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire |
Re: Trinity In Islam!? Muslims Cannot Explain! by Maynman: 6:42am On Oct 28, 2022 |
Wakanda 5:5— as bitter as bitter leaf, your life will be much more bitter, you’ll have no reason to LAUGH, your live will be full of sorrow and agony. johnw47: Doomed and unfortunate jannyboy son of a smelling momma, you’re full of resentment, pain and agony which comes from your imbecil.e FATHER, yahweh , his DULL HOLY SPIRIT and your smelling momma Surely, it’s a only an UNFORTUNATE JEWISH SLAVE that will blaspheme against me the owner of your father life which i can take anytime. Ass 1:12: for there are many Murderers and Rapist. Their father and his imbecil.e HOLY SPIRT are empty barrels and nonentities and all together they are deranged homophiles. Legbegbe 6:66—It shall not be well with Yahweh worshippers, including their deranged son of man and ESPECIALLY their imbecil.e HOLY SPIRIT, nothing good shall come their way. Wakanda 5:4— because they are basing their miserable lifes on random books with UNKNOWN AUTHORS they and their family will be unfortunate till DEATH!
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Re: Trinity In Islam!? Muslims Cannot Explain! by johnw47: 7:54am On Oct 28, 2022 |
Maynman: Ecclesiastes 7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool dum dum satan lover, all you have is the same old copy and paste Mat 12:31 Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven. Rev_20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire |
Re: Trinity In Islam!? Muslims Cannot Explain! by Maynman: 7:58am On Oct 28, 2022 |
Wakanda 5:5— as bitter as bitter leaf, your life will be much more bitter, you’ll have no reason to LAUGH, your live will be full of sorrow and agony. johnw47: Oaf. Damnation and Sorrow lover, all you got are forged and plagiarised books used by damned slaves Doomed and unfortunate jannyboy son of a smelling momma, you’re full of resentment, pain and agony which comes from your imbecil.e FATHER, yahweh , his DULL HOLY SPIRIT and your smelling momma Surely, it’s a only an UNFORTUNATE JEWISH SLAVE that will blaspheme against me the owner of your father life which i can take anytime. Ass 1:12: for there are many Murderers and Rapist. Their father and his imbecil.e HOLY SPIRT are empty barrels and nonentities and all together they are deranged homophiles. Legbegbe 6:66—It shall not be well with Yahweh worshippers, including their deranged son of man and ESPECIALLY their imbecil.e HOLY SPIRIT, nothing good shall come their way. Wakanda 5:4— because they are basing their miserable lifes on random books with UNKNOWN AUTHORS they and their family will be unfortunate till DEATH!
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