kingxsamz:

Oh well,
The next verse clearly shows he was forced so as to prevent him from letting them go.

I see no use of force

Namdio:


A perfect being does no wrong, in the sense that all his actions lead to the best possible outcome.

Some people think disciplining a child is wrong, but it is required for the child to be the best they can be so a perfect being would discipline

So what best outcome did putting the tree of good and evil in the same garden he Intended to keep his children (Adam and Eve) lead to?

kingxsamz:


So what best outcome did putting the tree of good and evil in the same garden he Intended to keep his children (Adam and Eve) lead to?

That is a good question but one to which I cannot answer. I am foolish in regards to the question.

Why do you think the tree was put there?

Namdio:


Off point, but, how do you know that the reply I gave is a good reply?

It's not about the reply being good or not. It's about how you answered. A simple yes or no will do, rather than long unnecessary sermons which doesn't answer the questions being asked.

kingxsamz:


It's not about the reply being good or not. It's about how you answered. A simple yes or no will do, rather than long unnecessary sermons which doesn't answer the questions being asked.

Yes but the other answers I gave were not regarded as me answering well, and it was definitely not because of lengthy sermons, because I answered succinctly. So what attribute in my answer allowed you to give it the characteristic of "well"

Namdio:


But now you are taking what I said out of context and running with it.

Life is not all black and white, what is wrong in an instance is right in another.

Wearing clothes is right.

But wearing clothes to bath is wrong.

You can't just say you want to go around naked because wearing clothes in the bath is wrong.

That's individual choice. Who says it's wrong?
Some don't even bath regularly.
Everything has to be black and white when it comes to the Christian god. After all, a child who lied will end up in the same hell as someone who killed innocent people. No exceptions. Rules are rules.

Namdio:


I have already clarified my stance. I admit I made a mistake in my wording, I have come to better understanding now.



I need not do more

You have been changing your stance over the time. It's either you're here or there man.

Namdio:


I see no use of force

What?

Namdio:


That is a good question but one to which I cannot answer. I am foolish in regards to the question.

Why do you think the tree was put there?

You'd have to tell me because the tree led to thousands and thousands of years filled with horror.
If the Christian god was perfect, that tree wouldn't be there in the first place.
Perfect beings don't make decisions that lead to imperfections.

kingxsamz:


That's individual choice. Who says it's wrong?
Some don't even bath regularly.
Everything has to be black and white when it comes to the Christian god. After all, a child who lied will end up in the same hell as someone who killed innocent people. No exceptions. Rules are rules.

And who said so for the bolded?

What we've been trying to prove to you is exactly what the italicized is, depending on circumstance what may be right may be wrong (jasminer correct me if I am wrong).

You have been trying to prove the bolded and have ignored all proof brought before you that doesn't fit into your view of Christianity.

kingxsamz:

You'd have to tell me because the tree led to thousands and thousands of years filled with horror.
If the Christian god was perfect, that tree wouldn't be there in the first place.
Perfect beings don't make decisions that lead to imperfections.

I have admitted to my ignorance plainly. I do not know. But you seem to know, so enlighten me.

Namdio:


Yes but the other answers I gave were not regarded as me answering well, and it was definitely not because of lengthy sermons, because I answered succinctly. So what attribute in my answer allowed you to give it the characteristic of "well"

Again, I was referring to how straightforward the answers were. Whether you've been answering differently before or not does not matter.

kingxsamz:


You have been changing your stance over the time. It's either you're here or there man.

I change my stance because I am growing. Over the course of this argument I have gained insights that have changed what I think, which means I was open to being influenced by the argument.

You however have shown a closed mind and never retreated even when faced with contrary information, nor have you even accepted to take this information into account. You pick and chose what you like.

kingxsamz:


Again, I was referring to how straightforward the answers were. Whether you've been answering differently before or not does not matter.

But when we gave straight forward answers that did not serve your purpose you went off on another tangent trying to find a way to achieve your aims.

Namdio:


And who said so for the bolded?

What we've been trying to prove to you is exactly what the italicized is, depending on circumstance what may be right may be wrong (jasminer correct me if I am wrong).

You have been trying to prove the bolded and have ignored all proof brought before you that doesn't fit into your view of Christianity.

A rule is a rule bro.
You can't be telling me there are certain options where killing innocent children is okay while telling me it's not okay. Emphasis on "innocent children".

Namdio:


I have admitted to my ignorance plainly. I do not know. But you seem to know, so enlighten me.

There's nothing to enlighten you about.
I've made my point on the imperfections of the Christian god. If it's above your range, then ask for help. You're the believer after all. I'm questioning your beliefs, not here to teach you.

Namdio:


I change my stance because I am growing. Over the course of this argument I have gained insights that have changed what I think, which means I was open to being influenced by the argument.

You however have shown a closed mind and never retreated even when faced with contrary information, nor have you even accepted to take this information into account. You pick and chose what you like.

If there's always a reasonable counter, I'll always say it. No matter how right you think you might be. The fact that I keep arguing back and forth does not mean I don't accept some things or I'm close minded.

Namdio:


But when we gave straight forward answers that did not serve your purpose you went off on another tangent trying to find a way to achieve your aims.

Same as your colleague.

kingxsamz:


If there's always a reasonable counter, I'll always say it. No matter how right you think you might be. The fact that I keep arguing back and forth does not mean I don't accept some things or I'm close minded.

Anyways, I just want to say thank you for this learning opportunity, my eyes have been opened, and it couldn't have been done without you.

I will not continue this argument (for real this time)

And I hope you find the answers your looking for

kingxsamz:

Oh well,
The next verse clearly shows he was forced so as to prevent him from letting them go.

And Pharaoh repented again in verse 24 just like he repented earlier in chapter 9 vs 27... Rinse and repeat.

Namdio:


And who said so for the bolded?

What we've been trying to prove to you is exactly what the italicized is, depending on circumstance what may be right may be wrong (jasminer correct me if I am wrong).

You have been trying to prove the bolded and have ignored all proof brought before you that doesn't fit into your view of Christianity.

I agree, every circumstance is different but the only constant thing is that actions have consequences.

kingxsamz:


A rule is a rule bro.
You can't be telling me there are certain options where killing innocent children is okay while telling me it's not okay. Emphasis on "innocent children".

Innocent threats should be killed. Atheists will kill innocent threats, same with theists.

Lol, that reminds me, will you kill a harmless pretty baby viper in the bush whose only crime was being born to a viper that bit a man who died under 10mins

Namdio:


Yeah, I can definitely see where you're coming from, and while I could pick up another part of this post and argue about, I feel it has run it's beautiful course and should be ended with the following.

Under the examination lights
We have each kept our own
So now, let us agree
To disagree

Just wanted to be certain. Are you a Christian? I want to know more about your beliefs.

uche40:


Just wanted to be certain. Are you a Christian? I want to know more about your beliefs.

It's a question I myself am still coming to terms with.

But generally you can treat me as one.

Though some of the things I hold to be true may not align with the traditional Christian faith.

Namdio:


Anyways, I just want to say thank you for this learning opportunity, my eyes have been opened, and it couldn't have been done without you.

I will not continue this argument (for real this time)

And I hope you find the answers your looking for

It's all good.

jasminer:


And Pharaoh repented again in verse 24 just like he repented earlier in chapter 9 vs 27... Rinse and repeat.

And his heart was also hardened before that.

jasminer:


Innocent threats should be killed. Atheists will kill innocent threats, same with theists.

Lol, that reminds me, will you kill a harmless pretty baby viper in the bush whose only crime was being born to a viper that bit a man who died under 10mins

I will not only kill it, I'll eat it.
Also, vipers and humans are not the same. Humans grow to learn and unlearn. A murderer could change and become law abiding in a society. A viper is a viper, it cares about nothing but itself.
If killing children and infants is okay to you, you should be the last person talking about morals and how upright everyone should be. If most religious folks reason the same way, same applies to them.

kingxsamz:


And his heart was also hardened before that.

But he was still able to repent despite the hardening didn't he?

With all that happened to Job, would you have blamed him if he did something rash? But he decided not to despite the repeated plagues hitting him

kingxsamz:


I will not only kill it, I'll eat it.
Also, vipers and humans are not the same. Humans grow to learn and unlearn. A murderer could change and become law abiding in a society. A viper is a viper, it cares about nothing but itself.
If killing children and infants is okay to you, you should be the last person talking about morals and how upright everyone should be. If most religious folks reason the same way, same applies to them.

Lmao , eat a fellow animal?
If you can eat a fellow animal, you can eat humans, that's canibalism.

Are you the one that will take the responsibility to ensure the children turn out well?

jasminer:


Lmao , eat a fellow animal?
If you can eat a fellow animal, you can eat humans, that's canibalism.

Are you the one that will take the responsibility to ensure the children turn out well?

I can't eat a human being. That's not my preference. You're bad at analogies.
Yes, when you are capable enough, you can take care of children. Humans have even developed systems to help kids become better people and to be able to contribute positively to their society, something the Christian god lacked knowledge of. Even Buhari could have done better.
If you see children and the next option in your mind is to kill them, then you shouldn't try to appear morally upright in anyone's eyes.

jasminer:

I won't hesitate to kill children if I feel it's necessary.

So, in conclusion.
Killing children is right if necessary.
Meaning you can kill your own children,your sibling's kids and anyone's child "if necessary".
So don't complain if someone does the same to your children if they thought it was necessary.

kingxsamz:


I can't eat a human being. That's not my preference. You're bad at analogies.
Yes, when you are capable enough, you can take care of children. Humans have even developed systems to help kids become better people and to be able to contribute positively to their society, something the Christian god lacked knowledge of. Even Buhari could have done better.
If you see children and the next option in your mind is to kill them, then you shouldn't try to appear morally upright in anyone's eyes.

You'll take care of all the children displaced during the war?