suicidesheep:


Don’t be offended, you sound really stupid if you think rain never fell before Adam. You can think of Adam’s curse that he has to till the ground to make, so your common sense didn’t tell you need rain for vegetation to grow. Abi na dew was make crops go. The way some of you look so pathetic when trying to twist the Bible to your narratives.

I know you’ll still try to defend that illogical notion

Mind your language, stop talking like you lack home training. What's eating you up?

It's in my Bible and any Bible you see, if you don't like it, go and tear it out

Oh and lest I forget, even the scientists agree that the pre flood atmosphere will have been far more different from anything we have now.

https://digitalcommons.cedarville.edu/icc_proceedings/vol2/iss1/48/#:~:text=The%20average%20ground%20temperature%20would,(Genesis%202%3A5).

https://www.icr.org/article/hyperbaric-research-and-the-pre-flood-atmosphere

Try to not have a heart attack

jasminer:


The Amalekites killed thousands of Israelites including women and children unprovoked.

Tens of countries in Canaan came to fight and attack Israel unprovoked.

You’re just making statements, see as you clearly lie about the Canaan part. Do you even read your bible

jasminer:


In those days, many women were married to men they didn't want because their parents said so. Is that rape? Is that slavery?

Getting married to prisoners of war is rape and slavery, did they have parents blessing.

uche40:


The first paragraph in this dizzying riposte in particular is quite amusing as well. Correct me if I'm wrong but your entire rejoinder seems to be making the argument that innocent children and parents should be spared the misery of being alive to deal with all sorts of pain, suffering and PTSD that results from devastating war incidents -- insisting that there isn't any other option for them. In your first paragraph, you brought up an example of a young boy who was apparently dealing with mental trauma from war-related crimes which led to him exhibiting anti-social behaviors. Curiously, you shot yourself in the foot in that same paragraph when you affirmed that he was eventually rehabilitated. This seems to deflate your argument that "mercy-killing" of these infants is the only option.

The first thing I'd like you to note is that the said child was reabilitated through the efforts of a mother who won't give up and a behavioural specialist. This is important because, firstly in the context of the bible, I don't believe behavioural specialists were around in those times, hence such a means of rehabilitation would be unfeasible (assuming it takes the same framework to rehabilitate such children, a loving parent and a behavioural specialist)

Second, in a lot of cases, it's not just one child that left behind. There are usually thousands. As the leader of a nation who is already trying to take care of your own people, it would not be wise to sink so much resources into the rehabilitation of the children of the enemy (Each child will have to be found a loving parent and a behavioural specialist following our mock model. Even if we attach several children to one parent and/or behavioural specialist the effect does not compound because the resources are spilt many ways and it my take far longer for them to rehabilitate if they do at all) One would have to house and feed all these children while they are being transferred to a home with a loving parent and being found a behavioural specialist.

And don't forget that as the children of an enemy state, not a lot of people would be willing to show the child such unconditional love, and assigning the child to an unloving parent would just lead to the build up of resentment which may explode in your face should you come under attack (the children will definitely not help to defend you from an enemy and in most cases will aid the enemy even at the cost of their lives).

And even if they are outliers who haven't been indoctrinated and may successfully reintegrate with society (assuming the people of your own nation don't take care of them first; the resentment works both ways), it would take a lot of time and resources to comb through all of them and pick out those good ones, and the possibility is still high that you'll miss a few.

uche40:
Meanwhile, since the issue of war seems to interest you so much that you bring it up every five seconds, I'd really like you to explain to me why an omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent deity relies on wars and petty violence to impose his will on mankind:

God doesn't impose His will on mankind, man imposes his will on mankind.

It was the Israelites that decided to go to war, and they always went to God asking what they should do in the war. God only answered accordingly.

uche40:



May 2008 in Wisconsin...God told me if i prayed hard enough she would come back to life...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354849,00.html

August 1993 in Texas, 20 naked people emerge from a car that struck a tree
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-961214.html

San Antoni, TX...God tells man to ram another vehicle at 100mph
http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/428252-god-told-man-to-ram-vehicle-at-100mph

March 2004, Texas...God told me to kill my 3 sons...
http://articles.cnn.com/2004-03-29/justice/children.slain_1_deanna-laney-insanity-defense-luke-laney?_s=PM:LAW

None of the links are working.

jasminer:


You claimed is Jesus wasn't the one causing the floods, why should he make a prophecy about it.

So I gave examples of other people who forecast what they didn't cause and I adviced you that this argument is weak, focus on the other stronger arguments

It's weak on your side because I was highlighting the fact that Jesus predicting floods and famine has nothing to do with him being responsible for those disasters.
You brought it up as a defense to support sending cultists to torture your children.
So you got yourself confused, probably you didn't even understand the point you were trying to make.

jasminer:


Lol, I'll defend myself and my family if anyone threatens my life, after defending me and them, I'll forgive and pray for their salvation

Comprehension is really something you lack tbh.
Nobody asked you if you'll defend your family.
Read again, 10 times and answer accordingly. I know it makes you uncomfortable but you can't avoid it.
If those men come back to kill off your remaining family members, you'll shine teeth instead of getting them arrested?
So if pesin kill all your family, you go dey pray for their safety, instead make you call police?
Government should probably release all terrorists, ritualists and kidnappers so we can pray for them to change. I mean, that's what you'd do, right?

jasminer:


That's what I'm saying ... You haven't answered my only question... Why you dey fear?

Answer na

But you said I already answered na. And started accusing me of supporting it.
See confusion.

Person say genocide, infanticide and slavery no good but after two questions confusion hold the person, the person begin support genocide, infanticide and slavery. own goal.

jasminer:


Yes they are wrong.

jasminer:


Oga, you saw another atheist say that she believes there could be spiritual activities and the likes. What's your own inside it now?

An atheist could believe in spiritual activities, that is very correct because atheism means the lack of belief in a god. So any atheist can believe in whatever as long as it's not the belief that a god exists. So atheism has nothing to do with defending beastiality, evolution or whatever you think you might bring up to score points.

jasminer:


You are asking me an impossible question. Tomorrow if the devil becomes a saint, will I be friends with him?
The devil can never become a saint same way God can never do a thing like declare rape as moral, instead of that to happen, heaven and earth will pass away.

You're an atheist right? If you fall in love with a swine tomorrow, will you marry it and have s*x with it? Am I not insulting you with this question?

Even suggesting that my God can do that is an insult to me and my religion. If we will keep having this discussion you must respect my beliefs and opinions.

It's not by force for you to become theist, but you have to respect me and my choice

You didn't ask for respect when I said he told men to keep Virgin girls for themselves, you didn't ask for respect when I said he ordered men to slaughter babies, you didn't ask for respect when I said he helped a man who promised him human sacrifice, na this one con dey offend you.
You said he's god na so he does whatever he pleases. You said morals are meant for him to decide. So how can you turn around to say he can never declare such? Are you him, are you in his mind, are you the one to make decisions for him?
Wasn't he the one condoning slavery and asking men to slaughter babies?
So why do you think he won't declare rape moral? Isn't slaughtering a baby more gruesome than rape?
You have to answer that question let's know where you stand.
And your swine question is not insulting. After all, it's just a question.
Since you said only this god can decide what's moral or not, then will you accept rape to be morally objective if he declares it okay?
That your opinion or choice must be respected does not mean it can't be questioned.
So you must answer.

suicidesheep:


But he already declared rape normal when he told the Israelites to take the women of their enemies as wives, which means he also condoned slavery.

She will tell you it's not rape as if her god doesn't know that those men will sleep with most of those Virgin women and girls against their will.

kingxsamz:


She will tell you it's not rape as if her god doesn't know that those men will sleep with most of those Virgin women and girls against their will.

Like bro you’d think some of this people think with their ass. Cause they definitely don’t read the Bible. The ones who are supposedly moral are the ones supporting immorality in the name of their God

suicidesheep:


You’re just making statements, see as you clearly lie about the Canaan part. Do you even read your bible

Catch me red handed, prove me wrong

suicidesheep:


Getting married to prisoners of war is rape and slavery, did they have parents blessing.

Forced marriage is not rape and a wife is a wife. By merely choosing her for marriage, she's automatically an Israeli and Israelis can't enslave a fellow Israeli.
Back to the topic in question, according to Jewish traditions of those days, such a woman must be given one full month period to mourn her dead family And to prepare her mind for the marriage. And if he changes his mind about marrying her, she's to go free and not to be sold or exchanged for anything.

kingxsamz:


It's weak on your side because I was highlighting the fact that Jesus predicting floods and famine has nothing to do with him being responsible for those disasters.
You brought it up as a defense to support sending cultists to torture your children.
So you got yourself confused, probably you didn't even understand the point you were trying to make.

I brought it up to give you more things to talk about

Since we agree that Jesus isn't the one causing the floods, the earthquakes and the famines, that's good. Nothing to argue again.

kingxsamz:


Comprehension is really something you lack tbh.
Nobody asked you if you'll defend your family.
Read again, 10 times and answer accordingly. I know it makes you uncomfortable but you can't avoid it.
If those men come back to kill off your remaining family members, you'll shine teeth instead of getting them arrested?
So if pesin kill all your family, you go dey pray for their safety, instead make you call police?
Government should probably release all terrorists, ritualists and kidnappers so we can pray for them to change. I mean, that's what you'd do, right?

Are you sure you're not describing yourself?

If they come back to kill me, I'll defend myself against them to any extent, I don't need to wait for police, if I have a gun, I'll aim for their coconut head.

If they don't die from my self defense, I may call the police and report them to the police. Then I'll forgive them and pray they find Christ in prison.
If the government releases them tomorrow, good for them. I'm not bothered.

Mind you, my father's killers aren't in prison.

You can't understand because a person filled with the spirit of God is an enigma, very difficult to understand. We're like the wind, you can't predict us.

kingxsamz:


But you said I already answered na. And started accusing me of supporting it.
See confusion.

Person say genocide, infanticide and slavery no good but after two questions confusion hold the person, the person begin support genocide, infanticide and slavery. own goal.

If it sure for you, answer my question and shame me.... Otherwise you're being hypocritical

kingxsamz:


An atheist could believe in spiritual activities, that is very correct because atheism means the lack of belief in a god. So any atheist can believe in whatever as long as it's not the belief that a god exists. So atheism has nothing to do with defending beastiality, evolution or whatever you think you might bring up to score points.

And you're blaming me for not being able to comprehend.

You yourself agreed that other atheists believe different things but all are called atheists so rest

kingxsamz:

You didn't ask for respect when I said he told men to keep Virgin girls for themselves, you didn't ask for respect when I said he ordered men to slaughter babies, you didn't ask for respect when I said he helped a man who promised him human sacrifice, na this one con dey offend you.
You said he's god na so he does whatever he pleases. You said morals are meant for him to decide. So how can you turn around to say he can never declare such? Are you him, are you in his mind, are you the one to make decisions for him?
Wasn't he the one condoning slavery and asking men to slaughter babies?
So why do you think he won't declare rape moral? Isn't slaughtering a baby more gruesome than rape?
You have to answer that question let's know where you stand.
And your swine question is not insulting. After all, it's just a question.
Since you said only this god can decide what's moral or not, then will you accept rape to be morally objective if he declares it okay?
That your opinion or choice must be respected does not mean it can't be questioned.
So you must answer.

Will your father rape you in the anus if he gets h*rny? Will your mother f*ck a snake or a monkey if I give her 200million dollars?
Will you permit my dog mount your daughter if I offer you 10million dollars?
I hope that's offensive.

To me, my God is more than my father of mother. This is my last response on this matter.

Namdio:


None of the links are working.

I realized that as well. I'm not sure why.

Most of the stories are said to be accounts from a book titled: God Made Me Do It: True Stories of the Worst Advice the Lord Has Ever Given His Followers

I tried searching for a .pdf format for the book but it seems it's not available online. You can research more on it if you're interested.

edit: Ok. I think I was able to find some of the news articles online. Try the links below

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1993/08/20/20-naked-people-emerge-after-auto-strikes-tree/b36f7f9f-ab19-4c22-b975-79a402c9b438/

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/wbna28005693

https://edition.cnn.com/2004/LAW/03/29/children.slain/index.html

I couldn't get the last one.

Namdio:
...God doesn't impose His will on mankind...

Pharaoh called me some minutes ago. He says he knows a popular comedy club in Egypt. He needs you to perform as an entertainer.

Jonah asked for your number. He said he wants to have a word with you.

The Ephesians asked about you. They want to know if you're still serving the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

[I apologize if the sarcasm rubbed you off the wrong way, but hopefully you got the message]

jasminer:
If Christianity is a game, there are rules to the game.

Well, Christianity isn't a game. It's a religion.

jasminer:

The fact that someone said God said this, does it automatically mean God said it?

God could have said it. How are you going to know? Can you read the mind of God? Can you understand his thought process perfectly enough to understand his plans, will and objectives at a certain point in time? You can't be 100% sure if they were or weren't commanded by God. I always hear Christians say "God knows the best" whenever something disastrous happens to them. Note that God is omniscient and omnipotent, and so no activity or event happens on this earth without his foreknowledge.

Let me rephrase your question and throw it back at you: Do you think I'm obligated to believe anything you claim about your experience with God simply because you said it?

jasminer:
1. Rules of Christianity include the facts that God is righteous and an upholder of righteousness

What moral basis are you using to justify and/or presuppose God's righteousness? I can already guess that you'll point to your Bible, the works of Jesus Christ, or something that might even be unrelated to the Bible. However, it is at this juncture that I will gladly jolt your memory to the fact that by assuming God to be origin of morality, you have stripped yourself of ANY independent moral criterion you can use to classify Gods actions.

In light of this, if you choose to claim that God is good because it says so in the Bible, or because of Jesus or the present state of the world, then it means you already have a logically prior criterion that you use to assess what is good and what is bad, and this criterion is independent of God's existence. This will be a complete 180 degrees turn around from your initial position that God is the arbiter or source of moral values. In fact you would only end up proving the atheists' argument -- in a hilarious case of irony -- that morality and religion are independent of each other.

jasminer:
2. We should love our neighbours like we love ourselves and only do to our neighbours what we would like someone else to do to us

The capacity to understand another person's condition from their own perspective is not unique to religious ideologies. Evolutionary Psychology shows that empathy (which is the father of your conscience) helps to increase pro-social behavior. A united group is a stronger group, and a group can achieve higher levels of success in hunting, protection etc. and by implication, are well suited for breeding healthy offsprings than a bunch of isolated individuals. This is not speculation, but rather insight gained from hard, empirical research. Consider reading the full entry of the link below. I'll just post a small excerpt:

The mere sight of suffering, independently of love, would suffice to call up in us vivid recollections and associations. The explanation may lie in the fact that, with all animals, sympathy is directed solely towards the members of the same community, and therefore towards known, and more or less beloved members, but not to all the individuals of the same species. This fact is not more surprising than that the fears of many animals should be directed against special enemies. Species which are not social, such as lions and tigers, no doubt feel sympathy for the suffering of their own young, but not for that of any other animal. With mankind, selfishness, experience, and imitation, probably add, as Mr. Bain has shown, to the power of sympathy; for we are led by the hope of receiving good in return to perform acts of sympathetic kindness to others; and sympathy is much strengthened by habit. In however complex a manner this feeling may have originated, as it is one of high importance to all those animals which aid and defend one another, it will have been increased through natural selection; for those communities, which included the greatest number of the most sympathetic members, would flourish best, and rear the greatest number of offspring.
http://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Darwin/Descent/descent4.htm

jasminer:
3. God's word never breaks. As a Christian I believe that we have day and night because God has commanded it, before day and night seize maybe there'll have to be an apocalypse. God said that there'll be floods but He also said that water will never destroy the world again. If His word fails, He seizes to be God. That's what He said. And that's what I am holding on to. In my not so many years, I can testify that His word has Never failed me.

I typically dismiss arguments appealing to anecdotes or personal testimonies because I have no empirical means of verying it, and there's always the probability that the subject misremembered the events s/he's accounting for, or is intentionally distorting the facts.

As to your claim that God never changes. Sure, he may never change. But you also believe he rules and reigns forever. He still communicates with his faithful servants today. He can use anybody and instruct them to do his bidding. God used Samson to terrorize the Philistines. From the viewpoint of the Philistines, Samson was an unhinged and unstable deviant. We all know how his story ended. You might make the claim that the Philistines were evil and committed numerous sins against God. But in Nigeria and the world at large, aren't we mostly living like godless people today, committing sins as described by the Bible? In light of this, what gives you the right to condemn people who commit seemingly unethical acts and insist that they were commanded by God to punish the evil doers? You're not the only person who claims to have a special relationship with God. What gives you the right to assume that God definitely didn't command them? We can only guess. We can't be certain that they were led by demonic spirits.

1) Search up on the Centennial Olympic Park Bombing of 1996. Eric Robert Rudolph carried out bombing attacks on two abortion clinics and a nightclub. He was inspired by God to bring judgement upon sinners and "baby killers". He wasn't a mass murderer, he was only carrying out God's instructions.

2) Benjamin Matthew Williams and James Tyler Williams murdered a gay couple in 1999. They were said to belong to a family of fundamental Christians.

3) The Army of God is an American Christian Terrorist organization who have instigated many acts of anti-abortion violence.

You don't have any right to condemn the aforementioned as misguided or evil because they are just a drop in an ocean of Christians who claim to receive divine instruction from the Lord. You cannot tell for certain that they were not inspired by the Holy Spirit. And you cannot discount their testimonies any more than I can discount yours.

jasminer:
4. God declared that what a man sows he'll reap. There's no changing or escaping it.

So? There are many variations of this platitude that are independent of belief in the Christian God.

jasminer:
5. We have the new testament because Jesus lived and died fulfilling the Old testament so anyone who believes in Jesus automatically has fulfilled the Old testament. This is because God saw that man can't follow laws because of our fall from grace. The only law in the new testament now is Love and if you fail this commandment, no heaven for you.

. Barely ten lines ago, you were affirming that God doesn't change his mind. Yet, he saw that man can't follow laws because we fell from grace (by sin), and decided to modify the law. Ignoring the fact that God clearly changed his mind here, why wasn't he aware that man wouldn't be able to follow his commandments in its pure, original form? I thought he was all-knowing. Lol.

Nevertheless, your claim here accidentally refutes the relevance of the Old Testament since you're suggesting that we couldn't follow those laws in the first place. Makes me wonder why the Old Testament was included in the Bible at all.

jasminer:
6. God is not partial, God is a father and creator to all humanity which is why His rain falls on me the Christian, you the atheist and even the religious fanatics.

Well, he seemed to favor the Israelites over all other tribes and nations in the Bible, bringing down empires for the benefit of his "chosen people".

I've ignored the remaining paragraphs because I've already addressed the arguments you make in some of them above. And I also want to be careful not to make this rejoinder too lengthy.

[Retracted]

jasminer:


Humans started war, perfected the art of war not God.

And God permitted the conception of war since nothing on this earth happens without his foreknowledge. He even takes the liberty to support a particular side in these wars.

jasminer:

A country committed genocide against another country, God ordered that the favour be returned exactly the same way. God didn't start it but he made sure that they reaped what they started.

This assumes that an omnipotent and omniscient deity who advocates peace, love, mercy and forgiveness, does not have the capacity to prevent conflict and fighting among neighboring countries. He also cannot think up other means to avert conflict and ensure peace and harmony between these countries, while still ensuring that his plan for man is fulfilled. You have not answered my question.

Please consider the implications of certain arguments before you make them.

In the meantime, I will take your refusal to provide an answer to my initial question about the day old infant as an admission that there exists no instance where a day old infant can actually pose a direct threat to your life.

uche40:
Are you positive that ALL instances of genocide and infanticide carried out by God in the Bible only occurred when God was provoked in an instance of war? A "Yes" or "No" will suffice.

jasminer:


You mean commanded by God. Yes

Thanks for the affirmative response.

Now, I want you to elaborate on the prevailing war scenario that provoked God into perpetrating the mass extinction flooding event that led to the death of practically all living things in the world apart from the residents of Noah's Ark. One could argue that the word "genocide" doesn't even begin to come close to describing such a destructive act of gargantuan magnitudes.

To put things in their proper context, I've reposted my question above.

jasminer:


Oga, you saw another atheist say that she believes there could be spiritual activities and the likes. What's your own inside it now?

I want to assume you weren't referring to me in this post but just in case you were, could you direct me to any statement I have made that has led you to draw this wild and preposterous conclusion?

cc: kingxsamz

jasminer:


I brought it up to give you more things to talk about

Since we agree that Jesus isn't the one causing the floods, the earthquakes and the famines, that's good. Nothing to argue again.

Or you brought it up because you're clueless on what to say regarding the questions I asked, so you thought you could escape with some distraction.
Obviously not working.

jasminer:


Are you sure you're not describing yourself?

If they come back to kill me, I'll defend myself against them to any extent, I don't need to wait for police, if I have a gun, I'll aim for their coconut head.

If they don't die from my self defense, I may call the police and report them to the police. Then I'll forgive them and pray they find Christ in prison.
If the government releases them tomorrow, good for them. I'm not bothered.

Mind you, my father's killers aren't in prison.

You can't understand because a person filled with the spirit of God is an enigma, very difficult to understand. We're like the wind, you can't predict us.

You may call the police. Why call the police on them, can't you just forgive them? After all, it was probably necessary for them to do what they did.
Anyways, talk is cheap. Dem go kill your pikin and you go dey talk forgiveness. And you're the same person claiming that you'd murder infants because of what they might do in the future. But you're okay with killers being free after they've killed. You and contradictions are 5&6.

jasminer:


If it sure for you, answer my question and shame me.... Otherwise you're being hypocritical

And what question is that?

jasminer:


And you're blaming me for not being able to comprehend.

You yourself agreed that other atheists believe different things but all are called atheists so rest

It's your inability to understand that atheism has no business with science, evolution and beastiality that I'm pointing out. And you never seem to get the point.

uche40:


Well, Christianity isn't a game. It's a religion.

God could have said it. How are you going to know? Can you read the mind of God? Can you understand his thought process perfectly enough to understand his plans, will and objectives at a certain point in time? You can't be 100% sure if they were or weren't commanded by God. I always hear Christians say "God knows the best" whenever something disastrous happens to them. Note that God is omniscient and omnipotent, and so no activity or event happens on this earth without his foreknowledge.

Let me rephrase your question and throw it back at you: Do you think I'm obligated to believe anything you claim about your experience with God simply because you said it?

. Barely ten lines ago, you were affirming that God doesn't change his mind. Yet, he saw that man can't follow laws because we fell from grace (by sin), and decided to modify the law. Ignoring the fact that God clearly changed his mind here, why wasn't he aware that man wouldn't be able to follow his commandments in its pure, original form? I thought he was all-knowing. Lol.

Nevertheless, your claim here accidentally refutes the relevance of the Old Testament since you're suggesting that we couldn't follow those laws in the first place. Makes me wonder why the Old Testament was included in the Bible at all.

Well, he seemed to favor the Israelites over all other tribes and nations in the Bible, bringing down empires for the benefit of his "chosen people".

I've ignored the remaining paragraphs because I've already addressed the arguments you make in some of them above. And I also want to be careful not to make this rejoinder too lengthy.

It's Christianity that's in the question here and so it must be discussed according to the words of the Bible and only according to the words of the Bible, not what anyone says.
You can't discuss Christianity and it's doctrines from the standpoint of an atheist and if that's what we're doing... Let me come and be going because the Gospel of salvation to them that perish is foolishness but to them that believe, it's the power of God unto salvation.

Even when I read or reason with Muslims, I do so solely based on the tenets of the Qur'an or the Hadiths. Not based on what the founder of ISIS says because he claims to be a Muslim.

1. Christianity isn't a religion, it's a way of life. Christian means Christ like.

2. I can tell the mind of God because it's written in the Bible... He made known His ways to Moses, His acts to the children of Israel. Psalm 103 vs 7. So even if a million people come and say God said this, as long as it contradicts the Bible, they are all wrong. Simple and Short! And if you claim this is what Christianity is about, quote a scripture to back it up.

3. You're not obligated to believe what I told you about my relationship with God simply because I said it, but you're also obligated to not believe what someone else said about God because they said it. You're only obligated to believe what the Bible says about God. Anything outside that is double standards.

4. God didn't modify his law, his laws don't break, even Jesus confirmed that one jot can't pass from the law. Jesus fulfilled all that's required in the old testament and gave a compound or royal law which is love your neighbour as yourself and serve your God with all your strength, all your soul and all your heart. I'm willing to expantiate on this if you request it.
There's no law in the bible that says we can't inherit the righteousness of an ancestor. Just the same way all humanity inherited Adam and eve's fall from Grace, all Christians inherit the fulfilment of the law through Christ. Romans 5 vs 17, Matthew 5 vs 18.

5. The Old testament was included in the Bible as a reminder to us or for an example. 1Chorinthians 10 vs 11

6. Every father has a right to love an obedient child over a corrupt and disobedient one. Same way, God has a right to love Israel who attempts to live morally sound compared to other countries where canibalism, incest, sexual immorality and gross perversion was the order of the day.

jasminer:


Will your father rape you in the anus if he gets h*rny? Will your mother f*ck a snake or a monkey if I give her 200million dollars?
Will you permit my dog mount your daughter if I offer you 10million dollars?
I hope that's offensive.

To me, my God is more than my father of mother. This is my last response on this matter.

Well, that's up to my father and mother but I don't think they will. And I won't also.
It's not offensive to me even though your questions have no basis.

See how I answered your questions? Did anyone die?
Now, since your god asked men to keep Virgin girls for themselves, asked men to slaughter babies and accepted human sacrifice, and since you claimed that only he can decide whats immoral or not, noting the fact that he had given certain barbaric rules which have changed, if he decides that rape is moral tomorrow, will rape be morally objective?
If you dodge am ten times, it'll always come back at you.