MaxInDHouse:


At least they're learning from me us!

JW would learn from JW
Deeper life would learn from deeper life
Redeem would learn from Redeem
You are not making an intelligent point

tctrills:

Every other group shares the same doctrine to all their members.
You are like the boy that thinks his Father's farm is biggest without visiting other farms.
The Catholics for example share the same doctrine to all their members.
I advise you to study more about other groups.
There is no bliss in ignorance.

tctrills:

Do you understand the separation of church and state? In a multi-religious nation, differences are not separated in the church. You guys don't do politics so what would you know?
Guy, no church can stop wars. Even God did not stop the war in heaven so it's foolish to resolve peacefully with someone about to kill you and take away your land.

Please try to correlate the highlighted first before you argue further!

tctrills:

JW would learn from JW
Deeper life would learn from deeper life
Redeem would learn from Redeem
You are not making an intelligent point

Great!
So which of these groups believe (trusted) in the counsel of the man speaking in the below verses?
Matthew 5:43-48
Mark 12:31
John 13:34-35

Because i really want to know where the wars are coming from! Revelations 6:3-4

MaxInDHouse:


Great!
So which of these groups believe (trusted) in the counsel of the man speaking in the below verses?
Matthew 5:43-48
Mark 12:31
John 13:34-35

Because i really want to know where the wars are coming from! Revelations 6:3-4

Every one of them believes and obeys those verses 100%. Have you even read the passages?

MaxInDHouse:




Please try to correlate the highlighted first before you argue further!

Its simple English I cant make it easier for you to understand.

MaxInDHouse:

Present a better performing group!

cornelboy:

So saying fvcck is a sin against who?

Ecclesiastes 7:6
For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool



any group that doesn't defend swearing/bad language is a better performing group than false jw's

Eph 4:29  Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear

Luke 6:45 The good person out of the good treasure of his heart produces good, and the evil person out of his evil treasure produces evil, for out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks


Mat 7:15  Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 
Mat 7:16  "You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 
Mat 7:17  So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 
Mat 7:18  A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 
Mat 7:19  Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 
Mat 7:20  So then, you will know them by their fruits

tctrills:

Every one of them believes and obeys those verses 100%. Have you even read the passages?

I never knew WARS could thrive with all that in the minds of adherents!

tctrills:

Its simple English I cant make it easier for you to understand.

I no know book o!

MaxInDHouse:

I never knew WARS could thrive with all that in the minds of adherents!


I no know book o!

If there could be war in heaven then you should know and expect same here. There would always be the good and the bad and the many caught in-between.
There would always be the need to keep safe and protect yourself as long as there is evil in this world.

tctrills:

If there could be war in heaven then you should know and expect same here. There would always be the good and the bad and the many caught in-between.
There would always be the need to keep safe and protect yourself as long as there is evil in this world.

The only protection my Master Lord and King Christ Jesus taught me is spiritual not physical. Matthew 5:43-48
So instead of protecting the body which can expire he taught me to always protect my Soul {Matthew 10:28} which could only be possible if i'm 100% obedient to this commandments!
(1) LOVE God! Mark 12:29-30
(2)LOVE neighbours! Mark 12:31
(3) LOVE enemies! Matthew 5:43-48
(4) LOVE fellow believers! John 13:34-35

I can't see how WARS come in this setting!

MaxInDHouse:

The only protection my Master Lord and King Christ Jesus taught me is spiritual not physical. Matthew 5:43-48
So instead of protecting the body which can expire he taught me to always protect my Soul {Matthew 10:28} which could only be possible if i'm 100% obedient to this commandments!
(1) LOVE God! Mark 12:29-30
(2)LOVE neighbours! Mark 12:31
(3) LOVE enemies! Matthew 5:43-48
(4) LOVE fellow believers! John 13:34-35

I can't see how WARS come in this setting!

God loved the world yet he destroyed it via a flood. Clearly you don't understand the verses you quoted.

MaxInDHouse:

The only protection my Master Lord and King Christ Jesus taught me is spiritual not physical. Matthew 5:43-48
So instead of protecting the body which can expire he taught me to always protect my Soul {Matthew 10:28} which could only be possible if i'm 100% obedient to this commandments!
(1) LOVE God! Mark 12:29-30
(2)LOVE neighbours! Mark 12:31
(3) LOVE enemies! Matthew 5:43-48
(4) LOVE fellow believers! John 13:34-35

I can't see how WARS come in this setting!

Love is active not passive
If you truly love, you would be prepared to fight for the freedoms and happiness of others.
If you love, for example you would be against oppression, terrorist and other evils.

MaxInDHouse:

The only protection my Master Lord and King Christ Jesus taught me is spiritual not physical. Matthew 5:43-48
So instead of protecting the body which can expire he taught me to always protect my Soul {Matthew 10:28} which could only be possible if i'm 100% obedient to this commandments!
(1) LOVE God! Mark 12:29-30
(2)LOVE neighbours! Mark 12:31
(3) LOVE enemies! Matthew 5:43-48
(4) LOVE fellow believers! John 13:34-35

I can't see how WARS come in this setting!

It is because of love that people have their lifes to end slavery and to fight terrorist. Today in the north of Nigeria, there are people fighting to keep communities safe from terrorist and herdsmen. That is pure love. That is the love of God.
Love isn't to sit aside and allow people to suffer. It is to stand and fight. Do you understand.

Wow! Three responses to just one post!

Well love is helping both the oppressor and the oppressed because all are to be saved. So if we are to support one side against another then we are partial, that's why Jesus never take side with anyone his fight was to maintain pure worship without killing anyone be it the oppressors (Romans) or the oppressed (Jews) Jesus came to save all.
That's why himself and his disciples (Jehovah's Witnesses) never take sides! Matthew 26:52

tctrills:

Do you understand the separation of church and state? In a multi-religious nation, differences are not separated in the church. You guys don't do politics so what would you know?
Guy, no church can stop wars. Even God did not stop the war in heaven so it's foolish to resolve peacefully with someone about to kill you and take away your land.

When people point fingers at us that we don't do politics
I ask 'Have you not seen what politics has caused in Nigeria and the world in general?
At least we don't oppress anyone or loot your money or launder it or deliver fake promises. We campaign for the real government. The one we campaign for, una no gree accept am, so we can't accept yours too. We are not anti- governmen, we respect the government. Some government officials have said that we even respect government pass. For example, we don't promote hate speech but those who brought up such law do so; we don't spray money cos we respect currency as constitution directs but politicians allow it or do so in their parties and campaigns too; we don't steal or loot or destroy campaign or election materials but political parties under the constitution do so and we don't tell discourage others from voting as everyone has their own freedom to choice

As to war in heaven, that was the only war ever. God was not ignorant of that war or it just happened like the ones we see today. It was Jehovah's newly appointed king who engaged in war against his enemies, Satan and the demons who were also in heaven at the time, the seat of government. So as ruler, he ousted, no, he 'hurled' down these wicked ones down from heaven. How will he rule effectively if Satan and his demons are still there accusing both angels and humans as Revelation 12 says. So Jesus Christ carried out the war according to God's mandate and as according to God's mandate, he'll come cleanse these earth from wickedness, destroy Satan and the demons, bring an end to all forma and causes of pain, suffering and injustice where the good ones will enjoy life in peaceful, perfect conditions.

I agree that Churches can't stop wars, why should they? When they preach love in the Church but when conflict arise, they promote and bless wars in the name of patriotism, ethnicity and tribalism. They do this because 'they are part of the world' whose ruler is Satan, the one who came to kill and to destroy. All the religions are in romance with politics to strengthen it. Either they promote political interests or they perish

Let your kingdom come O Jehovah, let it come!!!
Human government are failing us and oppressing us and blind people are still putting hope on fellow man who can die before the elections, be impeached or even resign. They are obedient to mortal man and not God and Jesus Christ who are bringing kingdom blessings
Me I pity the person that will leave his comfort zone to rule this country of over 200 million especially in the conditions we are seeing. People are praying for dollars to increase against naira cos of selfish interest, people are hoping for for it to decrease.
Even if dollars is equal to 1kobo, it won't end our problem cos THE PROBLEM OF MAN IS MORAL AND NOT POLITICAL.
It's foolish to use political means to end moral problems

Chai!
Come see my brother dey preach for atheist!
No matter how clear and straightforward your reasons faithless people will never agree with the TRUTH. Just accept him and his cohorts as worshipers of your God and they're OK.
Forget about the killings going on in their midst due to politics and racism they love it that way but you claiming your God differs from theirs is what is giving them sleepless nights.

If Jesus sounds stupid to faithless people of his time {John 10:20} how could you who is advocating Jesus' opinion make any sense before these people? John 15:18-19

In fact for you to continue advocating Jesus' idea you're already a demon to these people! Matthew 10:25

Aemmyjah:


When people point fingers at us that we don't do politics
I ask 'Have you not seen what politics has caused in Nigeria and the world in general?
At least we don't oppress anyone or loot your money or launder it or deliver fake promises. We campaign for the real government. The one we campaign for, una no gree accept am, so we can't accept yours too. We are not anti- governmen, we respect the government. Some government officials have said that we even respect government pass. For example, we don't promote hate speech but those who brought up such law do so; we don't spray money cos we respect currency as constitution directs but politicians allow it or do so in their parties and campaigns too; we don't steal or loot or destroy campaign or election materials but political parties under the constitution do so and we don't tell discourage others from voting as everyone has their own freedom to choice

As to war in heaven, that was the only war ever. God was not ignorant of that war or it just happened like the ones we see today. It was Jehovah's newly appointed king who engaged in war against his enemies, Satan and the demons who were also in heaven at the time, the seat of government. So as ruler, he ousted, no, he 'hurled' down these wicked ones down from heaven. How will he rule effectively if Satan and his demons are still there accusing both angels and humans as Revelation 12 says. So Jesus Christ carried out the war according to God's mandate and as according to God's mandate, he'll come cleanse these earth from wickedness, destroy Satan and the demons, bring an end to all forma and causes of pain, suffering and injustice where the good ones will enjoy life in peaceful, perfect conditions.

I agree that Churches can't stop wars, why should they? When they preach love in the Church but when conflict arise, they promote and bless wars in the name of patriotism, ethnicity and tribalism. They do this because 'they are part of the world' whose ruler is Satan, the one who came to kill and to destroy. All the religions are in romance with politics to strengthen it. Either they promote political interests or they perish

Let your kingdom come O Jehovah, let it come!!!
Human government are failing us and oppressing us and blind people are still putting hope on fellow man who can die before the elections, be impeached or even resign. They are obedient to mortal man and not God and Jesus Christ who are bringing kingdom blessings
Me I pity the person that will leave his comfort zone to rule this country of over 200 million especially in the conditions we are seeing. People are praying for dollars to increase against naira cos of selfish interest, people are hoping for for it to decrease.
Even if dollars is equal to 1kobo, it won't end our problem cos THE PROBLEM OF MAN IS MORAL AND NOT POLITICAL.
It's foolish to use political means to end moral problems

Aemmyjah:


When people point fingers at us that we don't do politics
I ask 'Have you not seen what politics has caused in Nigeria and the world in general?
At least we don't oppress anyone or loot your money or launder it or deliver fake promises. We campaign for the real government. The one we campaign for, una no gree accept am, so we can't accept yours too. We are not anti- governmen, we respect the government. Some government officials have said that we even respect government pass. For example, we don't promote hate speech but those who brought up such law do so; we don't spray money cos we respect currency as constitution directs but politicians allow it or do so in their parties and campaigns too; we don't steal or loot or destroy campaign or election materials but political parties under the constitution do so and we don't tell discourage others from voting as everyone has their own freedom to choice

As to war in heaven, that was the only war ever. God was not ignorant of that war or it just happened like the ones we see today. It was Jehovah's newly appointed king who engaged in war against his enemies, Satan and the demons who were also in heaven at the time, the seat of government. So as ruler, he ousted, no, he 'hurled' down these wicked ones down from heaven. How will he rule effectively if Satan and his demons are still there accusing both angels and humans as Revelation 12 says. So Jesus Christ carried out the war according to God's mandate and as according to God's mandate, he'll come cleanse these earth from wickedness, destroy Satan and the demons, bring an end to all forma and causes of pain, suffering and injustice where the good ones will enjoy life in peaceful, perfect conditions.

I agree that Churches can't stop wars, why should they? When they preach love in the Church but when conflict arise, they promote and bless wars in the name of patriotism, ethnicity and tribalism. They do this because 'they are part of the world' whose ruler is Satan, the one who came to kill and to destroy. All the religions are in romance with politics to strengthen it. Either they promote political interests or they perish

Let your kingdom come O Jehovah, let it come!!!
Human government are failing us and oppressing us and blind people are still putting hope on fellow man who can die before the elections, be impeached or even resign. They are obedient to mortal man and not God and Jesus Christ who are bringing kingdom blessings
Me I pity the person that will leave his comfort zone to rule this country of over 200 million especially in the conditions we are seeing. People are praying for dollars to increase against naira cos of selfish interest, people are hoping for for it to decrease.
Even if dollars is equal to 1kobo, it won't end our problem cos THE PROBLEM OF MAN IS MORAL AND NOT POLITICAL.
It's foolish to use political means to end moral problems

It would have been better if you broke down your thoughts into little posts but then let me try to reply all.
First, politics is not the cause of the bad governance in Nigeria. Putting the blame on politics shows you don't understand the meaning of politics.
Blaming politics is like blaming science. Politics like science are tools that can be used for good or for bad.
It's also interesting you used Nigeria and not countries like Switzerland and the US that have a great system of government.

As for the war in heaven, there was only one recorded war so let's not say what we don't know. The bible only recorded one war. We don't know if other wars were fought.
We all understand the purpose of the war in heaven. But also on earth there have been wars for righteous purposes such as the war against slavery also known as the American civil war.
I don't know where you get your facts from but saying human governments are failing us is a long stretch.
Thanks to improving governments, the world is now a better place than at any previous time.
In almost every constitution, slavery is an evil. We now have basic human rights.
There is less racism and discrimination than at any other time on earth.
The governments are not perfect but over time they keep getting better.
Thanks to the governments of the world today, Jehovah witnesses can spread their gospel in peace without being harassed in most nations of the world.
People fought and died to make this happen for you. That is love.

tctrills:


It would have been better if you broke down your thoughts into little posts but then let me try to reply all.
First, politics is not the cause of the bad governance in Nigeria. Putting the blame on politics shows you don't understand the meaning of politics.
Blaming politics is like blaming science. Politics like science are tools that can be used for good or for bad.
It's also interesting you used Nigeria and not countries like Switzerland and the US that have a great system of government.

As for the war in heaven, there was only one recorded war so let's not say what we don't know. The bible only recorded one war. We don't know if other wars were fought.
We all understand the purpose of the war in heaven. But also on earth there have been wars for righteous purposes such as the war against slavery also known as the American civil war.
I don't know where you get your facts from but saying human governments are failing us is a long stretch.
Thanks to improving governments, the world is now a better place than at any previous time.
In almost every constitution, slavery is an evil. We now have basic human rights.
There is less racism and discrimination than at any other time on earth.
The governments are not perfect but over time they keep getting better.
Thanks to the governments of the world today, Jehovah witnesses can spread their gospel in peace without being harassed in most nations of the world.
People fought and died to make this happen for you. That is love.

We have records of more war casualties and there's a probability that life would wipe out if nuclear weapons are used and you say that the world is getting better. I winder the kind of eyeglasses you used as if you have not been seeing protests, taking governments to court, insurrection, strikes, etc which is unprecedented. What of terrorism and inflation and crime and unemployment, yet you say the world is now a better place. I hope you're not under lockdown in a underground where you're shielded from news.
Yes, slave trade has reduced drastically but have you seen that slavery is still been done in 'subtle forms'
Which righteous war? Shame. Any righteous was will not affect the life or lives of innocent people
Differentiate sciences and politics or combine them, they have helped one way or the other but they have not solved world problems but rather contributed to it
Less racism and discrimination? Were you alive and witnessed what happened globally in 2020 about George Floyd. Why are players taking a knee before they start matches? What happens to black players after a bad game?
If politics is not the cause of bad governance, what is it? Don't forget I say that man's problem is moral not political
As of War in heaven, war occur between two opposite sides and the aim is to defeat or resist the other. The Bible mentions of that war in Revelation 12. Either you believe Satan and his demons have been resisting Jesus Christ and the angels who they could not defeat or you believe what the Bible says that there was a war and the devils side was defeated and expelled from heaven. Or you want to go and mobilise?
You mentioned USA government, what a shame! I am sure you don't read foreign news

Aemmyjah:


We have records of more war casualties and there's a probability that life would wipe out if nuclear weapons are used and you say that the world is getting better. I winder the kind of eyeglasses you used as if you have not been seeing protests, taking governments to court, insurrection, strikes, etc which is unprecedented. What of terrorism and inflation and crime and unemployment, yet you say the world is now a better place. I hope you're not under lockdown in a underground where you're shielded from news.
Yes, slave trade has reduced drastically but have you seen that slavery is still been done in 'subtle forms'
Which righteous war? Shame. Any righteous was will not affect the life or lives of innocent people
Differentiate sciences and politics or combine them, they have helped one way or the other but they have not solved world problems but rather contributed to it
Less racism and discrimination? Were you alive and witnessed what happened globally in 2020 about George Floyd. Why are players taking a knee before they start matches? What happens to black players after a bad game?
If politics is not the cause of bad governance, what is it? Don't forget I say that man's problem is moral not political
As of War in heaven, war occur between two opposite sides and the aim is to defeat or resist the other. The Bible mentions of that war in Revelation 12. Either you believe Satan and his demons have been resisting Jesus Christ and the angels who they could not defeat or you believe what the Bible says that there was a war and the devils side was defeated and expelled from heaven. Or you want to go and mobilise?
You mentioned USA government, what a shame! I am sure you don't read foreign news

So far they read about wars in ancient Israel and heaven they want to convince themselves that wars is OK, they're not concerned about the main issues leading to the wars all they want to hear is people can't do without wars even when they belong to the same side.

Ọmọ even soldiers in the army will be baffled reading comments here because we know that it's opposite sides that engage in wars not the same side under one commander!

Aemmyjah:


We have records of more war casualties and there's a probability that life would wipe out if nuclear weapons are used and you say that the world is getting better. I winder the kind of eyeglasses you used as if you have not been seeing protests, taking governments to court, insurrection, strikes, etc which is unprecedented. What of terrorism and inflation and crime and unemployment, yet you say the world is now a better place. I hope you're not under lockdown in a underground where you're shielded from news.
Yes, slave trade has reduced drastically but have you seen that slavery is still been done in 'subtle forms'
Which righteous war? Shame. Any righteous was will not affect the life or lives of innocent people
Differentiate sciences and politics or combine them, they have helped one way or the other but they have not solved world problems but rather contributed to it
Less racism and discrimination? Were you alive and witnessed what happened globally in 2020 about George Floyd. Why are players taking a knee before they start matches? What happens to black players after a bad game?
If politics is not the cause of bad governance, what is it? Don't forget I say that man's problem is moral not political
As of War in heaven, war occur between two opposite sides and the aim is to defeat or resist the other. The Bible mentions of that war in Revelation 12. Either you believe Satan and his demons have been resisting Jesus Christ and the angels who they could not defeat or you believe what the Bible says that there was a war and the devils side was defeated and expelled from heaven. Or you want to go and mobilise?
You mentioned USA government, what a shame! I am sure you don't read foreign news

I must give it to you, you are a great writer but you got all the facts wrong.
Allow me to take them one by one.

1. The number of wars and the casualties of war have been drastically reduced than any period in history. Please do your research. You could compare our present time with the 1800s or 1900s or just anything in human history. In fact, the current war in Ukraine is the first major war in Europe in 70 years.
Did you read the old testament at all? The children of Israel were almost continuously at war with their enemies.

2. Let's talk about inflation, unemployment, and poverty. Ask economics, Inflation is not always a bad thing. Even in the olden day, there was inflation. As for unemployment, it's higher now because in the past almost everyone was a farmer or a slave. But then the key factor is poverty. We have Far less percentage of poverty than at any time in history. Below is an article that could help you. https://ourworldindata.org/history-of-poverty-has-just-begun
We have better health care than at any time in history and life expectancy is higher than at any time in recorded history.

3. On racism, you sighted George Floyd. Do you know the policeman that killed George is in jail? There used to be a time when a white man can kill a black man without going to jail. So much has changed over time. There used to be a time when black people had no votes. There was a time when blacks had no opportunities. But on Tuesday, 7 Nigerians won elections in the USA. It would be unfair not to agree that we have really improved.

The war in heaven shows that even in heaven there was fighting. There is always a conflict of interest and nations. It's the way the world is. God led the armies of Israel. That is just the way it is.
But then again, many wars have brought about a better society.
-If not for the allied forces, the world would have become Adolf Hitler's slaves.
-Then we have the war against slavery.
-Paul Kagame liberated his country through war and ended the greatest genocide in modern times.
I can go on and on but I know you already get the point.
It's unfair to act as if society is still as bad as in the days of Christ. Do you know that if Jesus Christ came to the world today, he would not have been killed? In Israel today, no one would kill you if you said you were the Christ. Today they believe in human rights.

MaxInDHouse:
Chai!
Come see my brother dey preach for atheist!
No matter how clear and straightforward your reasons faithless people will never agree with the TRUTH. Just accept him and his cohorts as worshipers of your God and they're OK.
Forget about the killings going on in their midst due to politics and racism they love it that way but you claiming your God differs from theirs is what is giving them sleepless nights.

If Jesus sounds stupid to faithless people of his time {John 10:20} how could you who is advocating Jesus' opinion make any sense before these people? John 15:18-19

In fact for you to continue advocating Jesus' idea you're already a demon to these people! Matthew 10:25

I be like small pikin for Bible knowledge
I be toddler sef
You be like big brother, make I continue learn n watch as u de use scriptures shine light for this forum
Don't mind yeye atheist
Their own case bad pass cos as them think say they wise, dem no wan reason any truth at all about God or Bible. Dem de make their father who is the devil to be happy
Yes, atheists are the biggest group bringing smiles to their father face who is the Devil and Satan whether they believe him or not.
Jesus said that those who are conscious of their spiritual need will be happy, how will Satan feel seeing that people are increasingly rejecting any spiritual consciousness, he is happy and proud of his children but they won't experience the happiness that those who have truly satisfied this need will experience.
May Jehovah add all the plagues in the Bible on my head if I choose to be an atheist, an apostate or to leave the truth and go and be listening to one daddy GO or another religious group!

Aemmyjah:


I be like small pikin for Bible knowledge
I be toddler sef
You be like big brother, make I continue learn n watch as u de use scriptures shine light for this forum
Don't mind yeye atheist
Their own case bad pass cos as them think say they wise, dem no wan reason any truth at all about God or Bible. Dem de make their father who is the devil to be happy
Yes, atheists are the biggest group bringing smiles to their father face who is the Devil and Satan whether they believe him or not.
Jesus said that those who are conscious of their spiritual need will be happy, how will Satan feel seeing that people are increasingly rejecting any spiritual consciousness, he is happy and proud of his children but they won't experience the happiness that those who have truly satisfied this need will experience.
May Jehovah add all the plagues in the Bible on my head if I choose to be an atheist, an apostate or to leave the truth and go and be listening to one daddy GO or another religious group!

All of you are quite disrespectful. You use words that are not beholding to the Children of God. I have noticed that with every JW on this forum. But then who am I to correct you? You have already been brainwashed.

Aemmyjah:


I be like small pikin for Bible knowledge
I be toddler sef
You be like big brother, make I continue learn n watch as u de use scriptures shine light for this forum
Don't mind yeye atheist
Their own case bad pass cos as them think say they wise, dem no wan reason any truth at all about God or Bible. Dem de make their father who is the devil to be happy
Yes, atheists are the biggest group bringing smiles to their father face who is the Devil and Satan whether they believe him or not.
Jesus said that those who are conscious of their spiritual need will be happy, how will Satan feel seeing that people are increasingly rejecting any spiritual consciousness, he is happy and proud of his children but they won't experience the happiness that those who have truly satisfied this need will experience.
May Jehovah add all the plagues in the Bible on my head if I choose to be an atheist, an apostate or to leave the truth and go and be listening to one daddy GO or another religious group!

No Apostate listens to other religious leaders o!
I can bet my life on that, all they're trying to say is God's organization should compromise God's standard so that they can stay.
Imagine a normal human always arguing about a religion that you felt you've been freed from yet you can't present a better performing group with which you're now worshiping!

My brother i'm not in anyway better than any of my brothers the only thing is experience.

I know exactly what an atheist want regarding faith so when chatting with an atheist no matter what he/she claims it's through their line of thought you will know whether they're making effort to know the TRUTH or resisting it!

tctrills:


All of you are quite disrespectful. You use words that are not beholding to the Children of God. I have noticed that with every JW on this forum. But then who am I to correct you? You have already been brainwashed.

Ọmọ i will prefer to be BRAINWASHED if this is what it means you that you're contemplating killing your fellow believers is not brainwashed but BRAINDEAD!

tctrills:


I must give it to you, you are a great writer but you got all the facts wrong.
Allow me to take them one by one.

1. The number of wars and the casualties of war have been drastically reduced than any period in history. Please do your research. You could compare our present time with the 1800s or 1900s or just anything in human history. In fact, the current war in Ukraine is the first major war in Europe in 70 years.
Did you read the old testament at all? The children of Israel were almost continuously at war with their enemies.

2. Let's talk about inflation, unemployment, and poverty. Ask economics, Inflation is not always a bad thing. Even in the olden day, there was inflation. As for unemployment, it's higher now because in the past almost everyone was a farmer or a slave. But then the key factor is poverty. We have Far less percentage of poverty than at any time in history. Below is an article that could help you. https://ourworldindata.org/history-of-poverty-has-just-begun
We have better health care than at any time in history and life expectancy is higher than at any time in recorded history.

3. On racism, you sighted George Floyd. Do you know the policeman that killed George is in jail? There used to be a time when a white man can kill a black man without going to jail. So much has changed over time. There used to be a time when black people had no votes. There was a time when blacks had no opportunities. But on Tuesday, 7 Nigerians won elections in the USA. It would be unfair not to agree that we have really improved.

The war in heaven shows that even in heaven there was fighting. There is always a conflict of interest and nations. It's the way the world is. God led the armies of Israel. That is just the way it is.
But then again, many wars have brought about a better society.
-If not for the allied forces, the world would have become Adolf Hitler's slaves.
-Then we have the war against slavery.
-Paul Kagame liberated his country through war and ended the greatest genocide in modern times.
I can go on and on but I know you already get the point.
It's unfair to act as if society is still as bad as in the days of Christ. Do you know that if Jesus Christ came to the world today, he would not have been killed? In Israel today, no one would kill you if you said you were the Christ. Today they believe in human rights.

You are talking nonsense.
Lemme illustrate
Imagine watching a boy eating bread and sand. That look you'll have is the same way I look at you
Only God knows where you get your rubbish stats on war, you better go and look and a good article that tells you truth and not be like Mr Antiislam who will only follow newspaper that tells him that herbalist are witch doctors

You are the only one that believe that inflation is not a bad things
Your claims on life expectancy is ridiculous
Even with the abuse of drugs, chemicals, pollution, stress and other factors, you say that we have higher life expectancy. I'm convince you are in a lockdown and don't even leave the house.
You're really funny to say that our society is not that bad only cos they killed Jesus Christ. What do you know about history?
Our society, our human society is the worst in all history. Scientists and politicians predict doom on the earth and you say it is not bad, I guess you live in the moon
The onky thing I agree with you is on healthcare, is it affordable?
How many can afford it? People are even scared of going to clinics cos they have no money but since you live in the moon, you won't know these
Jesus Christ, like the prophets who preceded him and his disciples
to this day are victims of persecution and sometimes death. It deals with the way people react to TRUTH and not how the society is living life. Even Pilate tried to rescue Jesus Christ, Herod could not find anything against him. It is not about government but how people react to truth.
Go to Israel na, even if you are in the most civilised state, you'll face persecution and the threat of death when you preach the truth cos it is not something everyone enjoys listening to
Even Apostle Paul uses his rights as Roman citizen and still was jailed and killed
Did the ECHR not ask Russia to free us cos we are free? Did they respect that right? What about Eritrea? You better leave the moon and come to earth and are the reality of things
Paul Kagame used his power to quell the genocide causes by hatred. Wars will still continue. Hatred cannot be stopped by political power
Why not pray that we enter another world war or Nigeria face USA or China or Russia in war so you can live in a better society?
You see how funny you can be

tctrills:


All of you are quite disrespectful. You use words that are not beholding to the Children of God. I have noticed that with every JW on this forum. But then who am I to correct you? You have already been brainwashed.

Disrespectful?
You de vex?
Go and read what Jesus Christ said at Matthew 23 to those religious leaders and you'll know if he too was brainwashed

Aemmyjah:

Disrespectful?
You de vex?
Go and read what Jesus Christ said at Matthew 23 to those religious leaders and you'll know if he too was brainwashed

He's been respectful indeed with his choice of words ever since he learned that JWs are unique due to our abstinence from politics and wars!

Aemmyjah:


Disrespectful?
You de vex?
Go and read what Jesus Christ said at Matthew 23 to those religious leaders and you'll know if he too was brainwashed

I have learnt not to expect any civility from JW so I am not angry. Nevertheless, I was only hoping that you could be the one jw that is fit for civil society and discussion. Sorry I overrated you. I was wrong.
I always have this fault of hoping for the best in others but many times I am disappointed. Yet I never learn to stop expecting mutual respect from others even when we don't agree.
Anyone can use abusive language. It doesn't take intelligence or skill but some of us choose to be better.
You don't believe in war yet you believe in insults. Doesn't this make you a hypocrite? Do you know how many wars have been caused from insults? James 3:1-12

tctrills:


I have learnt not to expect any civility from JW so I am not angry. Nevertheless, I was only hoping that you could be the one jw that is fit for civil society and discussion. Sorry I overrated you. I was wrong.
I always have this fault of hoping for the best in others but many times I am disappointed. Yet I never learn to stop expecting mutual respect from others even when we don't agree.
Anyone can use abusive language. It doesn't take intelligence or skill but some of us choose to be better.
You don't believe in war yet you believe in insults. Doesn't this make you a hypocrite? Do you know how many wars have been caused from insults? James 3:1-12

WARS doesn't result from insults rather wars only result from POLITICS. If i insult you or you insult me we may both end up quarrelling or fighting each other but then no right thinking person supposed to take sides just to support either you or me. Intelligent people will just find a way to resolve whatever may be the cause not picking up weapons in support of either sides, that's what Jehovah's Witnesses are saying, not that we have become perfect as if we have anything special that's keeping us away from WARS it's the thought that no member of our loving organization will support us against anyone if we refuse to resolve issues amicably that's the key!

But all other religions will solicit for support from everyone just to suppress their opponents that's where politics comes to play!

MaxInDHouse:


WARS doesn't result from insults rather wars only result from POLITICS. If i insult you or you insult me we may both end up quarrelling or fighting each other but then no right thinking person supposed to take sides just to support either you or me. Intelligent people will just find a way to resolve whatever may be the cause not picking up weapons in support of either sides, that's what Jehovah's Witnesses are saying, not that we have become perfect as if we have anything special that's keeping us away from WARS it's the thought that no member of our loving organization will support us against anyone if we refuse to resolve issues amicably that's the key!

But all other religions will solicit for support from everyone just to suppress their opponents that's where politics comes to play!

Please what is your definition of politics?
Explain how politics caused the war between Israel and Jericho in the bible?
History is rich with examples of wars that began from insults. A Google search would do you good. Politics is just like science. It can be used for good or bad.
Also, someone who calls another yeye for not agreeing with his religion lacks training and is not a very intelligent person.

tctrills:


I have learnt not to expect any civility from JW so I am not angry. Nevertheless, I was only hoping that you could be the one jw that is fit for civil society and discussion. Sorry I overrated you. I was wrong.
I always have this fault of hoping for the best in others but many times I am disappointed. Yet I never learn to stop expecting mutual respect from others even when we don't agree.
Anyone can use abusive language. It doesn't take intelligence or skill but some of us choose to be better.
You don't believe in war yet you believe in insults. Doesn't this make you a hypocrite? Do you know how many wars have been caused from insults? James 3:1-12

OK
You were the one arguing the issue of war, politics and the state and religion
Like I said, when it comes to politics, you should be cheering and not criticising us. Even if we have a presidential candidate, una no go still vote for am. I simply say, whether na Democratic or military or whatever form it might take, politics is what people use to enforce laws or get what they want for a nation or a group. And I ask, see what politics has caused to the nation. You can't use a eraser to clean what paint brushes has caused.
You say the world is getting better. When you were little like say, 10 years old, did you use to hear of terrorism or bokoharam? Did you use to fear herdsmen? We even travel at night those days but no longer. How much was prices of food?
I'm just returning from Ibadan and I was shocked to see that they now sell water leaf, scent leaf and bitter leaf in the market. Those were just weeds that used to grow but now it's all over the market Things are getting worse. See, politics have brought ruin

tctrills:


It would have been better if you broke down your thoughts into little posts but then let me try to reply all.
First, politics is not the cause of the bad governance in Nigeria. Putting the blame on politics shows you don't understand the meaning of politics.
Blaming politics is like blaming science. Politics like science are tools that can be used for good or for bad.
It's also interesting you used Nigeria and not countries like Switzerland and the US that have a great system of government.

As for the war in heaven, there was only one recorded war so let's not say what we don't know. The bible only recorded one war. We don't know if other wars were fought.
We all understand the purpose of the war in heaven. But also on earth there have been wars for righteous purposes such as the war against slavery also known as the American civil war.
I don't know where you get your facts from but saying human governments are failing us is a long stretch.
Thanks to improving governments, the world is now a better place than at any previous time.
In almost every constitution, slavery is an evil. We now have basic human rights.
There is less racism and discrimination than at any other time on earth.
The governments are not perfect but over time they keep getting better.
Thanks to the governments of the world today, Jehovah witnesses can spread their gospel in peace without being harassed in most nations of the world.
People fought and died to make this happen for you. That is love.

"People fought and died to make this happen for you. That is love."

You said it all

tctrills:

Please what is your definition of politics?
Explain how politics caused the war between Israel and Jericho in the bible?

My definition of politics:
The act of vouching for an imperfect human to make perfect policies that's fair to one and all.

The most powerful spirit being in the universe wanted to secure the land of Canaan in order to establish pure worship. He journeyed to Egypt to free the descendants of a man named Jacob with whom He made a covenant to establish pure worship and singlehandedly freed the people using two feeble octogenarians to lead them. The whole world heard how the Most High Spirit Being did this so the fear of His worshipers is already in the hearts of all the inhabitants of the earth.
Any direction they face makes people fear as it's evident that the Most powerful spirit is with them. Definitely if you are living in any part of Canaan with your family back then the first thing that should come to your heart as a sane human is the safety of you and your family {Joshua 2:12-13 compare to Joshua 9:3-27} whatever makes you feel like picking up weapons against the Israelites is not to save your life but to support your preferred ruler in the face of DEATH. Ọmọ that's POLITICS!