LegalWolf:


Hahahahaha....LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL! This is not the last time my dear. We are still on a very long road. Trust me, the journey will be exciting as I will be a guest in your mentions.

First off, you have not answered my very simple question which is: Why should I engage a fraudulent, shameless, ignoble and morally bankrupt LIAR in matter of religion? .

Secondly, and as a direct response to your question, I can only tell you what I know. Therefore, what I know that is true is what I have told you in my previous post, Or would you want me to send delusions to you?

Your immaturity has been eminently displayed. Sometimes, silence is golden: as displayed on this thread by AntiChristian:..
compton11:
haekymbahd:
mhmsadyq:
alfarouq:
ictplotter:
Watinani:

Who kept their opinions to themselves because of the nature of my question. Unfortunately, like a brute mule whose intelligence is below average, you chose to splash around thinking that VAGUE noise and repetitive slander is wisdom. Unfortunately, you have exposed your depth if sickness of soul as one who think that ADEQUATE noise drowns out the TRUTH (even when it's your house is on fire)!


On this thread, LegalWolf, I conclude my post directly with you hopping that you'll have learnt a few things in future threads.

Dear HisSplendor
Since the only excuse of LegalWolf for not responding to my only question is his fraudulent repetition of slanderous accusations against me, perhaps you may ask him DIRECTLY by yourself the same question. (See the new excuse he is going to present).

THE QUESTION:
It is understandable if Allah Deceived the Jews and the Romans. Can you as Muslims please explain the logical reason why Allah Deceived ALSO Mary the Mother of Jesus, all Jesus Disciples, Jesus's Family (brothers and sisters) and all followers and friends of Jesus?

The premise to the question is in the link below:

https://www.nairaland.com/7428751/how-allah-created-christianity#118316319

Thanks

LegalWolf:


What is true is that:

a. the seventh day Yhwh had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work Genesis 2:3;

b. For this reason Yhwh sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 2 Thessalonians 2:11

c. Then I said, “Alas, Sovereign Lord! How completely you have deceived this people and Jerusalem by saying, ‘You will have peace,’ when the sword is at our throats!” Jeremiah 4:10

(please note that all references to God are replaced with yhwh).

There you have your answers OR ARE THESE NOT TRUE, PRETTY BOY TENQ ?

Again the question still stands: Can you give me a reason why I should engage with a shameless, fraudulent and morally bankrupt liar?

Your Lies:

B. 2 Thessalonians 4:9-11
The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie.

This was a prophecy about the Antichrist. You quoted the bolded part previously to say the Christian God deceives people. Meanwhile you removed the preceding verses that says the people in question hated the truth. And of course, God didn't deceive them. He will send them a strong delusion that would make the haters of truth to believe a lie. That's judgement for hating truth. It's not the same as Allah refering to himself as 'The best of deceivers.'

Why do you have lie about the exact import of this scripture?

C. Jeremiah 4:10
Here, Jeremiah was lamenting that God deceived the people of Israel while He was planning punishment for them. This assertion of Jeremiah was based on prophecies he has heard from false prophets. You lifted that out of the scriptures without stating God's reply to Jeremiah:

I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.

22 But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.

23 Am I a God at hand, saith the Lord, and not a God afar off?

24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the Lord. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the Lord.

25 I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed.

26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart;

TenQ deliberately decided not to engage you on the above lies so that you won't succeed in derailing the thread. But as I read through the pages, those were the first red flags that proved you a liar.

LegalWolf:


LOL, is that the lie Or something else?

You're even laughing. Not ashamed of your lies at all!

Below is what TenQ already exposed about you while you refused to authenticate your claims against him:

Legalwolf, since you can't answer TenQ due to some unfinished business you claim to have with him, would you please do me a favor by answering the question directly to me? I sincerely seek answers, that's why I have followed this thread to its very end.

THE QUESTION:
It is understandable if Allah Deceived the Jews and the Romans. Can you as Muslims please explain the logical reason why Allah Deceived ALSO Mary the Mother of Jesus, all Jesus Disciples, Jesus's Family (brothers and sisters) and all followers and friends of Jesus?

TenQ:

Your immaturity has been eminently displayed. Sometimes, silence is golden: as displayed on this thread by AntiChristian:..
compton11:
haekymbahd:
mhmsadyq:
alfarouq:
ictplotter:
Watinani:

Who kept their opinions to themselves because of the nature of my question. Unfortunately, like a brute mule whose intelligence is below average, you chose to splash around thinking that VAGUE noise and repetitive slander is wisdom. Unfortunately, you have exposed your depth if sickness of soul as one who think that ADEQUATE noise drowns out the TRUTH (even when it's your house is on fire)!


On this thread, LegalWolf, I conclude my post directly with you hopping that you'll have learnt a few things in future threads.

Dear HisSplendor
Since the only excuse of LegalWolf for not responding to my only question is his fraudulent repetition of slanderous accusations against me, perhaps you may ask him DIRECTLY by yourself the same question. (See the new excuse he is going to present).

THE QUESTION:
It is understandable if Allah Deceived the Jews and the Romans. Can you as Muslims please explain the logical reason why Allah Deceived ALSO Mary the Mother of Jesus, all Jesus Disciples, Jesus's Family (brothers and sisters) and all followers and friends of Jesus?

The premise to the question is in the link below:

https://www.nairaland.com/7428751/how-allah-created-christianity#118316319

Thanks

LOL! I think I now have your time. It is quite interesting that you have good remarks about those you mentioned given your previous predisposition to them. But given Hissplendor has now asked the same questions, I will deal with them jointly as a direct response to him. As for you: until you give me a sensible reason why I should engage a fraudulent liar, I don't think there is a reason to engage you on matters of religion.

I will deal with Hissplendor posts in a giffe

HisSplendor:


You're even laughing. Not ashamed of your lies at all!

Below is what TenQ already exposed about you while you refused to authenticate your claims against him:

Like I told you, your hypocrisy cannot be hidden. Remember Psalms 101:7? That 'no one who practices deceit shall... ? Do you remember? I repeat, like I have always done, that TenQ deliberately screen grabbed the post so as to mislead people. But anyways, see the beginning of my allegations here:

LegalWolf:
PART ONE OF TWO
Pretty Boyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!! Welcome back TenQ. We have missed you. And how is your rapist defending lawyer friend ? Hope you guys still discuss about other rape cases and how client matters? Huh? Now to the meat of the matter.

You have essentially done three things, in my opinion. Rambled to save your reputation as a liar with weak evidence, challenged my reputation (without proof) and rehashed a couple of questions (some of which you lied you have asked me before, others I have answered while others are completely irrelevant to our discussion). I will address them.
...

(Apparently it is longer than this but you can click on the link and follow the three parts conversation.

Now, take a look at the screenshot here:

LegalWolf:

..........

Given you have changed gear,
Remember, my good friend TenQ, that this is your claim:
1. Quran 7:157 says the unlettered prophet is mentioned in the Gospel. (Premise 1)
2. You claim that Muslims look up to the book of John as evidence that the Prophet was mentioned in the Gospel (Premise 2)
3. Therefore, why would Muslims look for fulfilment of prophecies about Mohammed in a book of the Christians they consider as NOT divine?. Would you Muslims look for prophecies about Mohammed or Islam in the works of Shakespear!?
(Conclusion).

(underline mine) You can follow the clink and read his preceding posts to get a grasp. But the core point that must be made, assuming you are reasonable and logical, is that:
- I prefaced my statement with given that TenQ has changed gear... do you know what that means Hissplendor?;
- I do not agree that his conclusion his actually a true conclusion of a claim/argument. At best, it could be a premise BUT not conclusion. Were you taught conclusion and premise in an argument in school, Hissplendor?
- In any event, I substituted the word just for the sake of the argument. Or does the underlined not support that inference, Mr. Hissplendor? I will deal with your other comments soon. Just take a chill pill

HisSplendor:


Your Lies:

B. 2 Thessalonians 4:9-11
The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie.

This was a prophecy about the Antichrist. You quoted the bolded part previously to say the Christian God deceives people. Meanwhile you removed the preceding verses that says the people in question hated the truth. And of course, God didn't deceive them. He will send them a strong delusion that would make the haters of truth to believe a lie. That's judgement for hating truth. It's not the same as Allah refering to himself as 'The best of deceivers.'

Why do you have lie about the exact import of this scripture?

C. Jeremiah 4:10
Here, Jeremiah was lamenting that God deceived the people of Israel while He was planning punishment for them. This assertion of Jeremiah was based on prophecies he has heard from false prophets. You lifted that out of the scriptures without stating God's reply to Jeremiah:

I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.

22 But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.

23 Am I a God at hand, saith the Lord, and not a God afar off?

24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the Lord. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the Lord.

25 I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed.

26 How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart;

TenQ deliberately decided not to engage you on the above lies so that you won't succeed in derailing the thread. But as I read through the pages, those were the first red flags that proved you a liar.

Oh thank you Mr. Hissplendor. The Bible I have access to does not have 2 Thes 2: 9 -11 at all. And the version of the Old Testament that I have access to omitted verses 22 - 26, right? Or I don't know how to read? The simple question is: Did yhwh send them delusions to the lawless ones so as to believe a lie? Yes or No? The cock and bull story about the lawless one/anti-christ is irrelevant!

You folks are clowns, honestly. You cannot take what you dish out. You want to give me context to a verse, yet you single out verses of other people's faith without context. Can you please quote Matthew 7:5 here, don Allah !

I will respond to your last post now!

HisSplendor:
Legalwolf, since you can't answer TenQ due to some unfinished business you claim to have with him, would you please do me a favor by answering the question directly to me? I sincerely seek answers, that's why I have followed this thread to its very end.

THE QUESTION:
It is understandable if Allah Deceived the Jews and the Romans. Can you as Muslims please explain the logical reason why Allah Deceived ALSO Mary the Mother of Jesus, all Jesus Disciples, Jesus's Family (brothers and sisters) and all followers and friends of Jesus?

This is the meat of the question and I do not intend to write a long epistle (definitely not as long as Epistle to the Romans) but something succint that will capture the point. The claim broken down is the reason why God also deceived
1. Mary
2. Jesus Disciples
3. Jesus Brothers and Sisters
4. Followers and lastly
5. His Friends.

As I understand it, to deceive is defined by Cambridge Dictionary as:

'to persuade someone that something false is the truth, or to keep the truth hidden from someone for your own advantage . See: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/deceive

So in essence, we can only claim Allah deceived these 5 people if we have evidence that he either:
(a) persuaded them that something false is true (like we would see in 2 Thes 2:11) or
(b) keep the truth from these five people to God's advantage. Is that not correct? I will assume that TenQ will go for the second interpretation to the first. But since you are the one who is asking me not the fraudulent liar, which of the interpretations do you favour?

If it is (a), please provide evidence that God persuaded these 5 classes of people and if it is (b) please provide evidence that he hid specifically from ALL of them.

So we will be waiting!

To those following,

The question is just one.

THE QUESTION:
It is understandable if Allah Deceived the Jews and the Romans. Can you as Muslims please explain the logical reason why Allah Deceived ALSO Mary the Mother of Jesus, all Jesus Disciples, Jesus's Family (brothers and sisters) and all followers and friends of Jesus?

The premise to the question is in the link below:

https://www.nairaland.com/7428751/how-allah-created-christianity#118316319

LegalWolf:


This is the meat of the question and I do not intend to write a long epistle (definitely not as long as Epistle to the Romans) but something succint that will capture the point. The claim broken down is the reason why God also deceived
1. Mary
2. Jesus Disciples
3. Jesus Brothers and Sisters
4. Followers and lastly
5. His Friends.

As I understand it, to deceive is defined by Cambridge Dictionary as:

'to persuade someone that something false is the truth, or to keep the truth hidden from someone for your own advantage . See: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/deceive

So in essence, we can only claim Allah deceived these 5 people if we have evidence that he either:
(a) persuaded them that something false is true (like we would see in 2 Thes 2:11) or
(b) keep the truth from these five people to God's advantage. Is that not correct? I will assume that TenQ will go for the second interpretation to the first. But since you are the one who is asking me not the fraudulent liar, which of the interpretations do you favour?

If it is (a), please provide evidence that God persuaded these 5 classes of people and if it is (b) please provide evidence that he hid specifically from ALL of them.

So we will be waiting!

There were more than 5 people involved in the whole saga. Jesus had about 500 disciples. 120 of them were ardent followers. 12 of them were His core. And He still had 2 among the 12 who were His inner circle. Among these 2, He had 1 who was His dearest.

All of Jesus' disciples agree that Jesus was the real one crucified. Even after His death on the cross, His two secret disciples, Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimathea could still confirm that the body they wanted to bury was Christ's.

When Peter wanted to prevent Jesus' death, hear what Jesus said:

"But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?” Mathew 26:54.

Before this time, all the prophets in the old testament had prophesied that Christ would suffer, die and rise again. That's the scriptures Jesus was referring Peter to, that they MUST be fulfilled.

David even painted the prophecy of how the soldiers would divide His clothings among themselves. Zechariah told us that "They would look on Him whom they pierced." And as it stands, they pierced Him and also divided His raiments. All those scriptures were fulfilled.

In Acts 2:24, Peter said:

"Though he was delivered up according to God’s determined plan and foreknowledge, you used lawless people to nail him to a cross and kill him."

Jesus Himself had said concerning His life:

"No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.” John 10:18.

Now, all the prophets from Moses to Zechariah prophesied that Christ would suffer, die and rise again to to complete God's work of salvation for mankind.

Jesus Himself saw to it that the prophecies were fulfilled. He had a painful experience but He was very particular about fulfilling those Prophecies because without that, God's plan of salvation is defeated. Only a just man can rescue the world from the grip of sin.

That's why John the Baptist called Jesus "The lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.".

So all the prophets from Moses down to Zechariah agreed that the Messaih would die and rise again. Then, all those 500 people who were with Jesus also agreed that the prophecies were fulfilled.

Majority of these people gave their lives, dieing a horrible death in the face of persecution, just to defend the death and resurrection of Christ.

600yrs later, someone from Saudi Arabia said Moses and all the prophets failed in their prophecy. That the disciples were seeing double on the cross. And that the Prophecies about the Messaih were not fulfilled.

He postulated that his own God, not even the God that the Israelites worshipped, came and rescued Jesus from the cross, and that a look alike was mistaken for Him, who then died in His stead.

Just look at this storyline above, and then see the role Mohammed came to play:

Moses and all the old testament prophets who Prophesied the death and resurrection of the Messaih all lied. Then, Allah consummated the whole lying plot by making them to believe in a false event and putting their faith in such falsehood for 600yrs. Then, Mohammed came to clarify what happened.

How does that sound to you?

Now, kindly answer TenQ's question directly to me.

TenQ:
To those following,

The question is just one.

THE QUESTION:
It is understandable if Allah Deceived the Jews and the Romans. Can you as Muslims please explain the logical reason why Allah Deceived ALSO Mary the Mother of Jesus, all Jesus Disciples, Jesus's Family (brothers and sisters) and all followers and friends of Jesus?

The premise to the question is in the link below:

https://www.nairaland.com/7428751/how-allah-created-christianity#118316319

Muslims will do everything to win an argument INCLUDING denying their Allah.

What did Allah himself say about the deception of the Christians?

Qur'an 6:107
Had Allah so willed they would not have associated others with Him in His divinity; and We have not appointed you a watcher over them, and you


In other words, Allah did NOT want Christians not to associate partners with him. Or simpler, Allah did want Christians to associate partners with him so that he can correct this 600 years after.

Muslims will pretend that Allah PREDESTINED everything to happen: including Christians believing that Jesus was crucified, died, buried, rose again and was raised to heaven in the presence of the disciples.

Are Muslims saying that Allah did not PREDESTINE the Error of the Christians?

Cc:
HisSplendor:

TenQ:

Muslims will do everything to win an argument INCLUDING denying their Allah.

What did Allah himself say about the deception of the Christians?

Qur'an 6:107
Had Allah so willed they would not have associated others with Him in His divinity; and We have not appointed you a watcher over them, and you


In other words, Allah did NOT want Christians not to associate partners with him. Or simpler, Allah did want Christians to associate partners with him so that he can correct this 600 years after.

Muslims will pretend that Allah PREDESTINED everything to happen: including Christians believing that Jesus was crucified, died, buried, rose again and was raised to heaven in the presence of the disciples.

Are Muslims saying that Allah did not PREDESTINE the Error of the Christians?

Cc:
HisSplendor:

Over to you, legalwolf.

TenQ:

Muslims will do everything to win an argument INCLUDING denying their Allah.

What did Allah himself say about the deception of the Christians?

Qur'an 6:107
Had Allah so willed they would not have associated others with Him in His divinity; and We have not appointed you a watcher over them, and you


In other words, Allah did NOT want Christians not to associate partners with him. Or simpler, Allah did want Christians to associate partners with him so that he can correct this 600 years after.

Muslims will pretend that Allah PREDESTINED everything to happen: including Christians believing that Jesus was crucified, died, buried, rose again and was raised to heaven in the presence of the disciples.

Are Muslims saying that Allah did not PREDESTINE the Error of the Christians?

Cc:
HisSplendor:

Over to you, Legalwolf.

TenQ:
To those following,

The question is just one.

THE QUESTION:
It is understandable if Allah Deceived the Jews and the Romans. Can you as Muslims please explain the logical reason why Allah Deceived ALSO Mary the Mother of Jesus, all Jesus Disciples, Jesus's Family (brothers and sisters) and all followers and friends of Jesus?

The premise to the question is in the link below:

https://www.nairaland.com/7428751/how-allah-created-christianity#118316319

Muslims will do everything to win an argument INCLUDING denying their Allah.

What did Allah himself say about the deception of the Christians?

Qur'an 6:107
Had Allah so willed they would not have associated others with Him in His divinity; and We have not appointed you a watcher over them, and you


In other words, Allah did NOT want Christians not to associate partners with him. Or simpler, Allah did want Christians to associate partners with him so that he can correct this 600 years after.

Muslims will pretend that Allah PREDESTINED everything to happen: including Christians believing that Jesus was crucified, died, buried, rose again and was raised to heaven in the presence of the disciples.

Are Muslims saying that Allah did not PREDESTINE the Error of the Christians?

Cc:
HisSplendor:

LOL! You will make a good pastor . And apparently a very good Christian because that does not involve the use brain at all! Please stop spreading falsehood: Two thousand years ago, Jews (even many messianic ones) do not believe Jesus to be the Messiah. Today, Jews do not believe Jesus is the Messiah and two thousand years from now, they would not believe him as the Messiah. Do you care to know why? . So claiming that Moses and all the OT prophets lied is completely baseless, please!

HisSplendor:


There were more than 5 people involved in the whole saga. Jesus had about 500 disciples. 120 of them were ardent followers. 12 of them were His core. And He still had 2 among the 12 who were His inner circle. Among these 2, He had 1 who was His dearest.

All of Jesus' disciples agree that Jesus was the real one crucified. Even after His death on the cross, His two secret disciples, Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimathea could still confirm that the body they wanted to bury was Christ's.

When Peter wanted to prevent Jesus' death, hear what Jesus said:

"But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?” Mathew 26:54.

Before this time, all the prophets in the old testament had prophesied that Christ would suffer, die and rise again. That's the scriptures Jesus was referring Peter to, that they MUST be fulfilled.

David even painted the prophecy of how the soldiers would divide His clothings among themselves. Zechariah told us that "They would look on Him whom they pierced." And as it stands, they pierced Him and also divided His raiments. All those scriptures were fulfilled.

In Acts 2:24, Peter said:

"Though he was delivered up according to God’s determined plan and foreknowledge, you used lawless people to nail him to a cross and kill him."

Jesus Himself had said concerning His life:

"No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.” John 10:18.

Now, all the prophets from Moses to Zechariah prophesied that Christ would suffer, die and rise again to to complete God's work of salvation for mankind.

Jesus Himself saw to it that the prophecies were fulfilled. He had a painful experience but He was very particular about fulfilling those Prophecies because without that, God's plan of salvation is defeated. Only a just man can rescue the world from the grip of sin.

That's why John the Baptist called Jesus "The lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.".

So all the prophets from Moses down to Zechariah agreed that the Messaih would die and rise again. Then, all those 500 people who were with Jesus also agreed that the prophecies were fulfilled.

Majority of these people gave their lives, dieing a horrible death in the face of persecution, just to defend the death and resurrection of Christ.

600yrs later, someone from Saudi Arabia said Moses and all the prophets failed in their prophecy. That the disciples were seeing double on the cross. And that the Prophecies about the Messaih were not fulfilled.

He postulated that his own God, not even the God that the Israelites worshipped, came and rescued Jesus from the cross, and that a look alike was mistaken for Him, who then died in His stead.

Just look at this storyline above, and then see the role Mohammed came to play:

Moses and all the old testament prophets who Prophesied the death and resurrection of the Messaih all lied. Then, Allah consummated the whole lying plot by making them to believe in a false event and putting their faith in such falsehood for 600yrs. Then, Mohammed came to clarify what happened.

How does that sound to you?

Now, kindly answer TenQ's question directly to me.

Is this not the question:

'It is understandable if Allah Deceived the Jews and the Romans. Can you as Muslims please explain the logical reason why Allah Deceived ALSO Mary the Mother of Jesus, all Jesus Disciples, Jesus's Family (brothers and sisters) and all followers and friends of Jesus ?"

Or am I answering something else?

If you are asked why Allah deceived Jews and Romans, are you going to point to Biblical verses or Islamic scriptures? Anyways, I am not contesting this part as there is abundant proof for Islamic literature. Even at that, TenQ admits that the reason is understandable. Those where his words not mine

Let me pierce the veil and go directly to the premises of the Question here:

TenQ:

...........

How Did Allah Create Christianity according to Islam
1. Introduce to the earth a man born of a virgin who is the Word of God and a Spirit Proceeding (present continuous) from him. The only human to be Word and Spirit.
2. From babyhood, this human is full of Wisdom amd starts speaking (of course by the permission of Allah)
3. As a man, this man called Jesus or Isa begins to do miracles only God can do by knowing the secret of mens heart and giving life to molded clay. (The only partner in the work of creation of living things by the permission of Allah).
4. This same man was HOLY as he never commited any sin as ALL children of Adam are destined to.
5. This man taught about God and had many followers and disciples.
6. Because this man had enemies (the Jews and Romans) who wanted to kill Him, Allah SECRETLY took him alive to heaven so that he was neither Crucified nor killed.
7. This secrecy was so perfectly done that Mary his mother, the eleven core disciples, the followers of Jesus and his brothers and sisters didn't know anything about it
8. Allah made sure that EVERYONE including the Jews, the Romans, Mary his mother, the eleven core disciples, the followers of Jesus and his brothers and sisters ALL thought that the man on the cross was Jesus.
9. Since the Deception was complete, the disciples and followers of Jesus now called Christians continued preaching : saying that Jesus was killed by crucifixion but rose from the dead and was taken up to heaven in their presence.
10. For six hundred years after, Allah watched his deception grow and multiply before correcting the Christians with NO EXPLANATION of what truly happened.

(underlined mine).

Are those not premises of the questions as claimed by the OP? Are ALL these premises not based on Islamic Scriptures? Or is premises 1 - 5 based on the Bible in view of this question?

So tell us just one strand of evidence in Islamic literature where it is insinuated or explicitly stated that Mary, Jesus' disciples, brothers and sisters (if any) do not know that God took him alive to heaven. This is not a matter of quoting dubious statistics or sending delusions to the lawless one to believe a lie, please.

Again, I am waiting for the evidence from Islamic literature. If there is none, are you prepared if we put the historicity of the New Testament into the witness box (something that TenQ has always avoided)?

HisSplendor:


Over to you, Legalwolf.

Is TenQ insinuating that Christians are pagan worshippers? Because my understanding of this verse is not specific to Christianity but idolators, (probably) worshippers of a lazy ass god who rests after 6 days of hard labour etc. . However, I do not see it targeted directly at Christians as our pretty boy OP would want us to believe, or is it?

I think I need to make this point here.

This is the reason why no one takes TenQ seriously. We have asked him to produce evidence from Islamic literature that supports his premises 6 - 8 below. You will notice that he would avoid that question like plague or try to use ALL (not FIRST FOUR or ANY.. LOL) dubious tactics he can employ to divert the question. When logic fails him, he would abandon this thread and open another one mentioning us to provide answers to the questions therein . And you expect us to take him seriously?

TenQ:

...........

How Did Allah Create Christianity according to Islam
1. Introduce to the earth a man born of a virgin who is the Word of God and a Spirit Proceeding (present continuous) from him. The only human to be Word and Spirit.
2. From babyhood, this human is full of Wisdom amd starts speaking (of course by the permission of Allah)
3. As a man, this man called Jesus or Isa begins to do miracles only God can do by knowing the secret of mens heart and giving life to molded clay. (The only partner in the work of creation of living things by the permission of Allah).
4. This same man was HOLY as he never commited any sin as ALL children of Adam are destined to.
5. This man taught about God and had many followers and disciples.
6. Because this man had enemies (the Jews and Romans) who wanted to kill Him, Allah SECRETLY took him alive to heaven so that he was neither Crucified nor killed.
7. This secrecy was so perfectly done that Mary his mother, the eleven core disciples, the followers of Jesus and his brothers and sisters didn't know anything about it
8. Allah made sure that EVERYONE including the Jews, the Romans, Mary his mother, the eleven core disciples, the followers of Jesus and his brothers and sisters ALL thought that the man on the cross was Jesus.
9. Since the Deception was complete, the disciples and followers of Jesus now called Christians continued preaching : saying that Jesus was killed by crucifixion but rose from the dead and was taken up to heaven in their presence.
10. For six hundred years after, Allah watched his deception grow and multiply before correcting the Christians with NO EXPLANATION of what truly happened.

(underlined mine).

Now you Hissplendor, the above premises assumes that they were derived from Islamic sources. You tell us (and the OP may help you out) the Islamic evidence for premises 6 - 8.

So, according to Islam, everything TenQ said was UNTRUE both the Premise and the following Question?

Maybe those who assert that should state CLEARLY the points that are ERRORS.

Did Allah guide rightly Mary the mother of Jesus, The Disciples of Jesus, the Bothers and Sisters of Jesus, the followers of Jesus and the Christians about the divinity of Jesus and the fact that Jesus was crucified, Died, Resurrected and stayed with His followers for about 40 days before being taken to heaven in their presence?

It is easy to repeatedy scream error, lies at others without an iota of evidence to establish the truth.

Cc:
HisSplendor:


You can see how he refused to answer the question. He would rather speak about other things.


Can he who argue mindlessly give evidence to counter these?

6. Because this man had enemies (the Jews and Romans) who wanted to kill Him, Allah SECRETLY took him alive to heaven so that he was neither Crucified nor killed.
7. This secrecy was so perfectly done that Mary his mother, the eleven core disciples, the followers of Jesus and his brothers and sisters didn't know anything about it
8. Allah made sure that EVERYONE including the Jews, the Romans, Mary his mother, the eleven core disciples, the followers of Jesus and his brothers and sisters ALL thought that the man on the cross was Jesus.

Can he give proofs/evidences that each of the above are LIES or UNTRUTHS?

1. Did Allah take Jesus to himself according to Islam?
2. Did Mary his mother, the eleven core disciples, the followers of Jesus and his brothers and sisters know that Jesus wasn't crucified not died?
3. According to Allah, did it appear to them that Jesus was crucified?
Evidence for or against!

LOL!

Hey Hissplendor,

Are you tired of 'relevant engagement' ehnnnn? The fraudulent liar quoted you here around 10:52 to pass across information to me but you have not. What happened?

TenQ:
So, according to Islam, everything TenQ said was UNTRUE both the Premise and the following Question?

Maybe those who assert that should state CLEARLY the points that are ERRORS.

Did Allah guide rightly Mary the mother of Jesus, The Disciples of Jesus, the Bothers and Sisters of Jesus, the followers of Jesus and the Christians about the divinity of Jesus and the fact that Jesus was crucified, Died, Resurrected and stayed with His followers for about 40 days before being taken to heaven in their presence?

It is easy to repeatedy scream error, lies at others without an iota of evidence to establish the truth.

Cc:
HisSplendor:


You can see how he refused to answer the question. He would rather speak about other things.


Can he who argue mindlessly give evidence to counter these?

6. Because this man had enemies (the Jews and Romans) who wanted to kill Him, Allah SECRETLY took him alive to heaven so that he was neither Crucified nor killed.
7. This secrecy was so perfectly done that Mary his mother, the eleven core disciples, the followers of Jesus and his brothers and sisters didn't know anything about it
8. Allah made sure that EVERYONE including the Jews, the Romans, Mary his mother, the eleven core disciples, the followers of Jesus and his brothers and sisters ALL thought that the man on the cross was Jesus.

Can he give proofs/evidences that each of the above are LIES or UNTRUTHS?

1. Did Allah take Jesus to himself according to Islam?
2. Did Mary his mother, the eleven core disciples, the followers of Jesus and his brothers and sisters know that Jesus wasn't crucified not died?
3. According to Allah, did it appear to them that Jesus was crucified?
Evidence for or against!

LOL!

If you intend to pass across the information, I will do you good by giving you an explanation before hand. But if not, then the explanation does not harm for anyone of this forum.

It is a basic rule of law and common sense that anyone who assert must prove. Suppose I say Hissplendor is a Rapist? Don't you think it is commonsensical for you to ask me 'why did you call me a rapist'? 'What evidence do you have to back that up'? If I call TenQ a thief for example, is he telling me that he will bring evidence to show that he is not a thief or ask me the very logical question 'what is it that I have stolen'? Does these examples make sense to you? Like I said, this is not a matter of quoting dubious statistics or sending delusions to lawless ones to believe a lie. This is a matter of logic, commonsense and reason. While these three may be lacking for many (who I would not want to throw shades at), this is just what it is.

Now, let us take our assumption a step further. [I am tempted to make reference to another interesting part of genesis but I will sheathe my sword for now ]. If I make a claim that yhwh rested on the 7th day of creation. I do not see any reason for you to dispute that as the verses of Genesis 2:3 is very clear on that topic. However, If I go to town saying Yhwh ate food (probably agbado, cassava or dodo on the 7th day of creation) on the 7th day when he rested AFTER his work. The question is: SHOULD YOU BE THE ONE TO BRING EVIDENCE FOR THIS ASSERTION OR ME ?

Remember, what we can take away from Genesis is that Yhwh only rested and the purported writers of the Book of Genesis never made reference to whether yhwh ate, sleep or even took beer after creation. We can only speculate but we cannot claim with certainty. This is just common sense and that was why I asked if you were taught premise and conclusion of an argument in school.

TenQ has made claims that:

1. Allah deceived the Jews and Romans;
2. Allah deceived 5 classes of people namely (Mary, Jesus disciples et. al.)

I am not disputing 1 the same way you would not dispute that yhwh rested on the 7th day of creation. But ALL I ask is for evidence for his second assertion. How would I prove your claim for you? Just to avoid long talk, he has asked again:

1. Did Allah take Jesus to himself according to Islam? [ABSOLUTELY YES]
2. Did Mary his mother, the eleven core disciples, the followers of Jesus and his brothers and sisters know that Jesus wasn't crucified not died? [TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, NOTHING IN ISLAMIC LITERATURE SUPPORTS THIS INFERENCE. IT CAN ONLY BE IN THE IMAGINATION OF THE QUESTIONER. IF THERE IS ANYTHING YOU HAVE THAT SPECIFICALLY SAYS THESE 5 PEOPLE DID NOT KNOW, PLEASE BRING IT
3. According to Allah, did it appear to them that Jesus was crucified? [SEE WHAT YOU FOLKS CALL TAQIYA SHAMELESSLY DISPLAYED HERE. WE READ IN-BETWEEN THE LINES AND ARE NOT LIKE YOUR SHEEPS. WHICH EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE THAT ACCORDING TO ALLAH , IT APPEARED TO MARY ET. ALL THAT JESUS WAS CRUCIFIED]

Again, this is the exact reason we do not take this fraud seriously! Let's wait for what he has to say next

Muslims reading can see that what was called a lie was just a conjecture of the liar.

1. Did Allah take Jesus to himself according to Islam?
Response: NOT A LIE!
2. Did Mary his mother, the eleven core disciples, the followers of Jesus and his brothers and sisters know that Jesus wasn't crucified not died?
Response: NOTHING IN ISLAMIC LITERATURE SUPPORTS THIS INFERENCE.

What DIFFERENT thing does the Islamic literatures support about Deception the beliefs of Mary, the Disciples, Siblings of Jesus and Christians with respect to Christ's death and resurrection?

Unfortunately, it can only be a LIE if Islamic literatures convincingly states OTHERWISE!

Since he has no EVIDENCE (from Islamic Literatures), he MANUFACTURES his OWN conclusion.

Abi, you don't know an answer to a historical event yet without evidence to the contrary you claimed "IT'S NOT CORRECT!"
How do you know?

At least for Christians, they can claim that
A. The Disciples of Jesus wrote about His Crucifixion, Death and Resurrection
B. Mary and the siblings of Jesus were together with the early Christians. Mary lived with John the Apostle till her death!
C. Billions of Christians (even the heretic sect) believe that Jesus was crucified, died and rose from the dead.

Qur'an and Islamic literatures don't have ANY CLUE: is this enough fact to base a conclusion on?

3. According to Allah, did it appear to them that Jesus was crucified?

Evidence for or against!

Response: Christian Taqqiyya!?

Haba, what does the Qur'an say?

Qur'an 4:157
And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the messenger of Allāh." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.


The words of Allah against his ardent slave! SMH!!

Who are those who were attributed by Allah to differ with Allah in this case?

I believe everyone can see how a Lawyer called TenQ's speech a LIE and after going through, he himself could not EXHIBIT a single lie!

The Religion of Allah is indeed a religion of LIES, DECEIT, DECEPTION and LIARS!

Cc: HisSplendor

Hey hissplendor,

It is just unfortunate that you are at the crossfire. But since you are the one who wants to learn, and want 'relevant engagement', so you can learn how foxy your brother can be. Isn't it?

Now take a look at the fraudulent lair's response below:

TenQ:
Muslims reading can see that what was called a lie was just a conjecture of the liar.

1. Did Allah take Jesus to himself according to Islam?
Response: NOT A LIE!
2. Did Mary his mother, the eleven core disciples, the followers of Jesus and his brothers and sisters know that Jesus wasn't crucified not died?
Response: NOTHING IN ISLAMIC LITERATURE SUPPORTS THIS INFERENCE.

What DIFFERENT thing does the Islamic literatures support about Deception the beliefs of Mary, the Disciples, Siblings of Jesus and Christians with respect to Christ's death and resurrection?

Unfortunately, it can only be a LIE if Islamic literatures convincingly states OTHERWISE!

Since he has no EVIDENCE (from Islamic Literatures), he MANUFACTURES his OWN conclusion.

Abi, you don't know an answer to a historical event yet without evidence to the contrary you claimed "IT'S NOT CORRECT!"
How do you know?

(underline mine)

LOL! I did not know where in my response two, I stated 'IT IS NOT CORRECT'. If there is, please point it out . Like I have been calling this fraud a shameless LIAR and he keeps proving me right every single time. The fraud even went to manufacture quote that is not existing, put it in inverted comma, and attributed it to me . LOL! This fraud lie not because it is in his interest, but because it is your nature! But what was I expecting from someone whose God sent delusions to people?

Finally, he has quoted the below

TenQ:


3. According to Allah, did it appear to them that Jesus was crucified?

Evidence for or against!

Response: Christian Taqqiyya!?

Haba, what does the Qur'an say?

Qur'an 4:157
And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the messenger of Allāh." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.


The words of Allah against his ardent slave! SMH!!

Who are those who were attributed by Allah to differ with Allah in this case?

I believe everyone can see how a Lawyer called TenQ's speech a LIE and after going through, he himself could not EXHIBIT a single lie!

The Religion of Allah is indeed a religion of LIES, DECEIT, DECEPTION and LIARS!

Lol, Hissplendor you do not even need to have brain nor consult the Quran to burst out this fraud. Look at the verse he quoted, it clearly puts the words of they/their in inverted comma and was specifically referring to them (which lends credence to point which I did not dispute). So is this fraud telling me that the they who who claimed to have killed Jesus (Oh I forgot that name Jesus is meaningless, per Tenq logic) includes Mary and Jesus' disciples?

Only this fraud claims:
1. Injeel is ALL the books of the Christians;
2. The same Injeel is a term for the first four books of Arab Christians called Gospel (not gospels)
3. Lied about the conclusion of an argument just to avoid putting the NT in the witness box;
4. Claimed Allah deceived Mary, Jesus disciples etc. WITH NO SINGLE SHRED of evidence but just conjectures!
5 Forged a statement as mine and attributed it to me as my conclusion when I never said anything remotely similar to that. All I asked was for his evidence . Does he even know the conclusion of argument (after I have schooled him)?

The list goes on and on! Hissplendor, you should now see the reason why I refuse to have any further engagement with him until his character question is resolved. And let me make this abundantly clear, and this is not me relying on dubious statistics, there is NOTHING the fraud would ask about Islam that I do not have answer to. I have been engaging Christians for over a decade and all his questions are stale.

I had wanted to do a follow up posts on this drawing similarities with the Books of the Prophets and even some early Christian works. But I have a very long journey to embark on this week. A very long journey I must confess. This hopefully will be my last post on this thread as I won't keep giving a fraudster who forged my statement any credence (Truly the words of the Yoruba people which I provided to him has come pass - a liar is a potential thief/fraudster).

And you both could help me send regards to yhwh who, despite being with Judah, could not help them defeat the inhabitants of the hill valley because they had Iron chariots. Only God knows what would have happened the inhabitants of the Hill Valley had bazuka or AK47 Judges 1:19

I rest my case here and respectfully take a bow for eternity on this thread!

cc:
TenQ
Sixfiguresmart
Hissplendor
AntiChristian:..
compton11:
haekymbahd:
mhmsadyq:
alfarouq:
ictplotter:
Watinani

Everyone who reads is amazed at the Noisemaker's rattle.

Someone claimed a post is a lie and he himself went through the post pointing out ZERO lies.

He then goes through endless ramblings even calling many people to his rescue.

Let's see how many will fall for your madness or ignore your rabid bursts as they refuse to be drawn into gross FOOLISHNESS as you have portrayed your self

Apply a little common sense and you'll be delivered. After crying endlessly for two full days, he feels that mindless desperate struggling will deliver him from his woes.

Who will deliver this Foolish Lawyer from his childishness?

Cc:
HisSplendor

I believe you can see his true nature

LegalWolf:
Hey hissplendor,

It is just unfortunate that you are at the crossfire. But since you are the one who wants to learn, and want 'relevant engagement', so you can learn how foxy your brother can be. Isn't it?

Now take a look at the fraudulent lair's response below:

(underline mine)

LOL! I did not know where in my response two, I stated 'IT IS NOT CORRECT'. If there is, please point it out . Like I have been calling this fraud a shameless LIAR and he keeps proving me right every single time. The fraud even went to manufacture quote that is not existing, put it in inverted comma, and attributed it to me . LOL! This fraud lie not because it is in his interest, but because it is your nature! But what was I expecting from someone whose God sent delusions to people?

Finally, he has quoted the below



Lol, Hissplendor you do not even need to have brain nor consult the Quran to burst out this fraud. Look at the verse he quoted, it clearly puts the words of they/their in inverted comma and was specifically referring to them (which lends credence to point which I did not dispute). So is this fraud telling me that the they who who claimed to have killed Jesus (Oh I forgot that name Jesus is meaningless, per Tenq logic) includes Mary and Jesus' disciples?

Only this fraud claims:
1. Injeel is ALL the books of the Christians;
2. The same Injeel is a term for the first four books of Arab Christians called Gospel (not gospels)
3. Lied about the conclusion of an argument just to avoid putting the NT in the witness box;
4. Claimed Allah deceived Mary, Jesus disciples etc. WITH NO SINGLE SHRED of evidence but just conjectures!
5 Forged a statement as mine and attributed it to me as my conclusion when I never said anything remotely similar to that. All I asked was for his evidence . Does he even know the conclusion of argument (after I have schooled him)?

The list goes on and on! Hissplendor, you should now see the reason why I refuse to have any further engagement with him until his character question is resolved. And let me make this abundantly clear, and this is not me relying on dubious statistics, there is NOTHING the fraud would ask about Islam that I do not have answer to. I have been engaging Christians for over a decade and all his questions are stale.

I had wanted to do a follow up posts on this drawing similarities with the Books of the Prophets and even some early Christian works. But I have a very long journey to embark on this week. A very long journey I must confess. This hopefully will be my last post on this thread as I won't keep giving a fraudster who forged my statement any credence (Truly the words of the Yoruba people which I provided to him has come pass - a liar is a potential thief/fraudster).

And you both could help me send regards to yhwh who, despite being with Judah, could not help them defeat the inhabitants of the hill valley because they had Iron chariots. Only God knows what would have happened the inhabitants of the Hill Valley had bazuka or AK47 Judges 1:19

I rest my case here and respectfully take a bow for eternity on this thread!

cc:
TenQ
Sixfiguresmart
Hissplendor
AntiChristian:..
compton11:
haekymbahd:
mhmsadyq:
alfarouq:
ictplotter:
Watinani

I don't have anymore to say to you because I can't regard you as a true Muslim.

In most of your posts, you even did things Mohammed himself wouldn't do.

Islam got its roots from Christianity, and without Christianity, there couldn't have been Islam.

Christianity got its roots also from judaism, and without Judaism there wouldn't be Christianity.

That's why Mohammed succinctly instructed you to respect Christians and Jews, and infact their scriptures.

You using small letters to spell out Yahweh and calling Him a lazy ass God even when Mohammed already gave credence to the old testament scriptures actually shows that you are a vagabond Muslim.

And in all your posts, you reek of deep seated ignorance while also trying hard to obfuscate the truth.

Let me leave you with one of Mohammed's testimonies about Christians:

Surah 5: 82

"You will surely find the most bitter towards the believers to be the Jews and polytheists and the most gracious to be those who call themselves Christian. That is because there are priests and monks among them and because they are not arrogant."

When you're ready to talk like a true Muslim, and give honour to whom honour is due, I would be ready to continue with you.