Mkenya2019:
We produce them every year.

Yet there's none notable

Why do you think Nigeria farmers cannot compete with Asian and other farmers in farming of all things?

GeneralDae:

Closing the borders and banning imports in order to grow rice farming is one of the best policies of Buhari. Another one is banning the use of cryptocurrency in Banks. Temporal ban of twitter (for more than 7 months) may have been a crazy one though.
We Africans need a little dose of Buharism sometimes.

Mkenya2019:
Why do you think Nigeria farmers cannot compete with Asian and other farmers in farming of all things?

Who says they can't compete?

Then allow competition because the loser is million of Nigeria consumers; and winner if any are few farmers;

GeneralDae:

Who says they can't compete?

Mkenya2019:
Then allow competition because the loser is million of Nigeria consumers; and winner if any are few farmers;

I am yet to find a nation that allowed competition when it was growing it own industries, from other countries that highly subsides those same industries

Mkenya2019:
Then allow competition because the loser is million of Nigeria consumers; and winner if any are few farmers;

You are confused about something here. You don't allow competition when you haven't even started the game properly.

Buhari only closed the border after a few years of supporting rice farming in Nigeria because the populace would not magically begin to buy Nigerian rice due to the fact we weren't
top of our game then as well as a mental slavery of many of our people (false disdain of anything local).

Also, and most problematic, we have too many traders who love the importation business so much. We also have Benin republic whose economy at the the time depended so much on this Nigerian huge appetite for rice as well as imports from Thailand.

When rice farming began to grow locally, Benin Republic was a big problem to us, and the borders had to be closed at that time to regulate the import of rice (not completely ban imports). Now many more rice mills have risen in Nigeria since that time and there are many projects which began but were slowed down due to COVID-19. If we are importing 90% of our rice like we used to do before and there was no policy regulation to help investors and local farmers, those investors may not have been motivated enough to build today.

If we didn't kill the habit that made us over-rely on Thailand for rice in 2014, by now we would be licking our wounds because Thailand and India ( world biggest exporters) may restrict rice exports next year making it much more expensive.

Not everything must go according to the textbooks.

Generally speaking protection of infant industries should be time limited; otherwise Nigeria blanket timeless protection of infant industries aka import substitution is failed policy that breeds poverty.

Now imagine with Nigeria being part of say Ecowas and soon AFCTA - how will they protect their rice farmers from cheaper African rice?Perhaps they can ask for exemption - but for few years - so already this is not sustainable - unless you engage in Buhari type blockade of all trade.

And if you must protect local industry (only for x yrs as local industry build competitiveness) - it surely has to be something complicated - not rice or maize - that you can raise productivity easily.

Just40:
I am yet to find a nation that allowed competition when it was growing it own industries, from other countries that highly subsides those same industries

My problem is that Nigeria protectionism is a repeat of the failed import substitution policies that Africa did in 60s/70s/80s. The only difference as far as I can see now is that private sector or Dangotes are one getting protected - previously it was SOEs.

Nearly all developed Countries began from US to Asia protected their infant industries but they had a very strict timelines; rice farmers need to know that it's favour consumers are doing them buying expensive local rice that maybe of poor quality; and they have to work hard to produce high quality cheap rice. If they get comfortable - consumer will suffer - economy will suffer - people will pay for their poor farming and output - instead of using money to buy something else - they will spend buying poor rice.

What I dont understand for example is why cement became more expensive locally and there is no end of sight when Dangote should compete with cheap imports yet he is already all over Africa competing internationally?

Kenya has had the same issues - there is always cry to protect local farmers or industries - from competition - but I am glad now Ruto is very clear - you either compete or die. The reality is we have East Africa cooperation - you better compete with Uganda or Tanzania on rice or maize or beans. We have Egypt in Comesa in manufacturing and other things. Now we have south africa in Africa Free Trade - all these trade agreements allow duty free entry of goods. So protection at least within Africa is not sustainable.

To compete regionally, continentally and globally - means working on your productivity & competitiveness - and it can be done. Any protection should be time bound - and then gov has to be strong enough to allow competition.

GeneralDae:

You are confused about something here. You don't allow competition when you haven't even started the game properly.

Buhari only closed the border after a few years of supporting rice farming in Nigeria because the populace would not magically begin to buy Nigerian rice due to the fact we weren't
top of our game then as well as a mental slavery of many of our people (false disdain of anything local).

Also, and most problematic, we have too many traders who love the importation business so much. We also have Benin republic whose economy at the the time depended so much on this Nigerian huge appetite for rice as well as imports from Thailand.

When rice farming began to grow locally, Benin Republic was a big problem to us, and the borders had to be closed at that time to regulate the import of rice (not completely ban imports). Now many more rice mills have risen in Nigeria since that time and there are many projects which began but were slowed down due to COVID-19. If we are importing 90% of our rice like we used to do before and there was no policy regulation to help investors and local farmers, those investors may not have been motivated enough to build today.

If we didn't kill the habit that made us over-rely on Thailand for rice in 2014, by now we would be licking our wounds because Thailand and India ( world biggest exporters) may restrict rice exports next year making it much more expensive.

Not everything must go according to the textbooks.

Mkenya2019:
My problem is that Nigeria protectionism is a repeat of the failed import substitution policies that Africa did in 60s/70s/80s. The only difference as far as I can see now is that private sector or Dangotes are one getting protected - previously it was SOEs.

Nearly all developed Countries began from US to Asia protected their infant industries but they had a very strict timelines; rice farmers need to know that it's favour consumers are doing them buying expensive local rice that maybe of poor quality; and they have to work hard to produce high quality cheap rice.

What I dont understand for example is why cement became more expensive locally and there is no end of sight when Dangote should compete with cheap imports?

Kenya has had the same issues - there is always cry to protect local farmers or industries - from competition - but I am glad now Ruto is very clear - you either compete or die.

To compete regionally, continentally and globally - means working on your productivity & competitiveness - and it can be done. Any protection should be time bound - and then gov has to be strong enough to allow competition.

Your policy looks good on paper but it is unrealistic for African countries generally because of our low productivity. First we need to restrict competition and look inwards for a time like USA and China did, after that we say to the world: Let's play the game boys.
Don't get me wrong, imports are not bad but we should first be productive to an extent. Nigeria, Egypt, South Africa imports a lot.

The important thing is that TIME. The big cost remember is borne by Africans buying shitty locally produced things very expensively.

So basically you need something like China did - > you have to reduce tarrif every year until it's gone - 75% for rice - after 5yrs - 50% - after 10yrs -25% - after that duty free - if you cant be competitive do something else.

For china average tariff rate has been cut to 36% in 1993, 23% in 1996, 17% in 1997, 15% in 2000, 10% in 2005

GeneralDae:

Your policy looks good on paper but it is unrealistic for African countries generally because of our low productivity. First we need to restrict competition and look inwards for a time like USA and China did, after that we say to the world: Let's play the game boys.

Mkenya2019:
The important thing is that TIME. The big cost remember is borne by Africans buying shitty locally produced things very expensively.

If you mean rice, local Nigerian rice is no longer as shitty as it used to be (at least to an extent) because there's a growing competition and rice mills are springing up everywhere.
Nigerian rice was supposed to be expensive or close to 20k naira in 2014, but imports were subsidised for some stuff because those were the days of high oil production as well as high oil prices. Hence Government could make food cheap. Also I don't think rice is that cheap anywhere in the world.
How much is 50kg bag of rice in Kenya?

gallivant:


Informal sector workers don't make too much money, or pay taxes for that matter. Most have no access to banking. Your economy is a joke. Bunch of gold miners and market ladies basically.

those gold miners and market woman are much more richer than thousands of kenya in formal sector .

An ordinary cocoa farmer here has four of his kids in america university paying dollars with his earning from the cocoa product , that is how rich the informal sector can be, though government earn less taxes from them but nobody escape value added tax in Ghana .

rvp20182:
How much of that GDP is minerals... like Gabon and Eq Guinea.Your people earn less than a dollar a day...that crazy..in Kenya nobody will work for less than 4-5 dollars a day

Ghana economy is informally driven , for you to understand what we earn here per day , you will be studying above minimum wages , you will need to factor in per capital income

Most of the labour's here are in informal sector . Some Accra market woman engaging in buying and selling makes more than 100 dollars profit a day ( particularly those in trades of clothes and jewelries ).

GeneralDae:

Buhari actually has a certificate that could be said to be equivalent to a masters degree today. Most people just follow the crowd and hearsay, they don't know what they are talking about.

While answering “A Request for Graduation Information for Muhammadu Buhari”, Kerr replied: “Nigerian Colonel Muhammadu Buhari is a graduate of the US Army War College Class of 1980 and earned a US Army War College diploma. Note: The Army War College first awarded Master’s Degree to the class of 2000”.
Kerr also sent a copy of the statement to the Public Affairs Office, 122, Forbes Avenue, Carlisle, PA 17013-5234.

https://freedomonline.com.ng/u-s-war-college-buhari-got-our-diploma-in-1980/

Don't mind that idiot. An army general trained in USA does not have certificates.

@kazikazi are those your pictures in jamii forum. Always knew you were a freak

Mkenya2019:
Why do you think Nigeria farmers cannot compete with Asian and other farmers in farming of all things?

Stop talking like an idiot. It takes time for such things to develop. A good thing has started, if the farmers are not protected at the initial stage they will never get off the starting block as Asians who have centuries of experience in agriculture are going to stiflle the local farmers with cheap exports.

Saddamochieng00:
@kazikazi are those your pictures in jamii forum. Always knew you were a freak

Link please..

Mkenya2019:
Generally speaking protection of infant industries should be time limited; otherwise Nigeria blanket timeless protection of infant industries aka import substitution is failed policy that breeds poverty.

Now imagine with Nigeria being part of say Ecowas and soon AFCTA - how will they protect their rice farmers from cheaper African rice?Perhaps they can ask for exemption - but for few years - so already this is not sustainable - unless you engage in Buhari type blockade of all trade.

And if you must protect local industry (only for x yrs as local industry build competitiveness) - it surely has to be something complicated - not rice or maize - that you can raise productivity easily.

African rice from where?
Apart from Ghana and Nigeria that currently produce as much rice to meet their consumption.... Which other African country can meet their own consumption?

Try exporting soybeans to the US and see

Ghana will ban importation of rice from next year because we have met our consumption.

vaxx:
those gold miners and market woman are much more richer than thousands of kenya in formal sector.

Not possible. When you say such things without a shred of evidence, it makes it difficult to have a constructive debate on the issue.

Mkenya2019:
The only thing he has done is to make rice unaffordable to many
When it was being imported/smuggled - it was 12,000 naira - if I can recall
Now it's 42,000 naira or I heard.

You cannot grow local economy by Dangote type of closing the borders.banning imports - and making Nigeria SUFFER.

That is rigging the economy for a FEW so million can suffer - Nigeria poverty has gone through the roof.

Grow the economy by increasing the productivity and competitiveness of Nigeria.

Ask yourselves why Asians are producing rice cheaply - DO NOT BLOCK ASIA imports.

Invest in what they do - 5 times fertilize application, better husbandry, GMOS and such.

Buhari has been a disaster for everyone except Dangotes.

At least Nigerians are not starving like Kenyans and our slum population is not growing like Kenya's. And he didn't cave in to the imf like your candy ass politicians who burdened poor Kenyans with $1.5 for a litre of petrol.

vaxx:
it is even abnormal to used minimum wage has standard here . Ghana Labour market is highly influence by informal sector . More than 70 percent Ghanaian are in informal sector.

So why did Ghana implement a minimum wage in the first place? No country implements such a policy just for the sake of it.

Mkenya2019:
Everywhere you have these stone age kingdoms - they turned men into this - Buganda, Kongo/Congo, Yoruba, Ashanti - they become subjects of their kings - at best women - at worse children. They actually make them dress/behave like women. Only the king can express his masculinity. The rest have to BOW DOWN LOW

How is this Nigeria? Kenyan men are known to be more effeminate than Nigerian men. You've lost it so much you've fallen to gallipig's level.

obaaderemi:
At least Nigerians are not starving like Kenyans and our slum population is not growing like Kenya's. And he didn't cave in to the imf like your candy ass politicians who burdened poor Kenyans with $1.5 for a litre of petrol.

This is an emotional outburst, not a salient point. Go find other Obaboons to play with.

obaaderemi:
How is this Nigeria? Kenyan men are known to be more effeminate than Nigerian men.

It's always Nigerian and Tanzanian men singing in the airwaves. Get lost.

gallivant:


Link please..

Nampimanisha. Nataka aconfirm ni yeye

gallivant:




So why did Ghana implement a minimum wage in the first place? No country implements such a policy just for the sake of it.

we are gradually moving from informally economy to formalized ones . It is taking shape. Everybody want to own and charter their own life hence self employment.

gallivant:


Not possible. When you say such things without a shred of evidence, it makes it difficult to have a constructive debate on the issue.

it is obvious , let me give you a clue , Ghanaian student are the second largest number of outbound student in america from sub saharan africa . They are paying heavily in dollars. Most of this student guardian are in informal sectors

vaxx:
it is obvious , let me give you a clue , Ghanaian student are the second largest number of outbound student in america from sub saharan africa . They are paying heavily in dollars. Most of this student guardian are in informal sectors

he has no idea

Just40:
why do you like to lie this bad?
So who are you badly trying to impress?

Sekondi Takoradi where you can't even drop a Plastic bag on the street or gutter with being asked to pick it, you want to go and shit on their sea defense wall for the Navy to manhandle you?

Be smart in you lying a bit

You're a big f.ool.
I said sekondi harbor area where you have stones used as sea defense wall.
That entire area is littered with human waste..

Just40:
he has no idea

You are wasting your time with the effeminate pig. He has no idea except what R I P tells him.

And one monkey is talking about Buhari making rice unaffordable in Nigeria.