A001:

How does it contradict it? Did you read the comment you quoted at all?

I don't need to repeat what has been stated already in simple English in my posts here. Backed with historical facts, I clearly stated the role of religion in colonialism where Nigerian leaders got their template for looting from.

I see you chose to ignore those parts because they don't suit your beliefs.

A001:

No need for lengthy argument over clear issues. The current situation in many African countries is simply due to the humongous looting activities of the colonial masters for years, who our leaders copied the monumental acts of corruption from and improved the act.

If a person is looting, and continue to loot, the resources of a place meant for development, such a place can't develop.

That's a simple logic.

And religion of the colonized, whether you agree or not, is a key element of a colonialisation campaign.

That's a historical fact that's not even debatable, unless by those ignorant of the history of colonization in Africa or are just being mischievous.

izzou:


I didn't want to dabble with it because i don't agree with you. And since, i don't agree with you, I'd rather learn than argue

Firstly, no religion supports stealing, bribery, corruption, and every other factor you blame religion for. So if Christ or Muhammad doesnt want me to steal, Is Christ or Mohammed to be blamed if i do, or me?

Secondly, countries like USA, UK did have religious foundations, yet they are doing well. A country like Ethiopia wasn't even colonized, and they are behind in Africa. I expect you to see some sense with Nihilistjnr post, but you immediately discarded it and continued repeating the same thing you said

If you would take your time to read what others contributed, instead of just repeating the same religious lines, you'll see some sense in it

izzou:


I didn't want to dabble with it because i don't agree with you. And since, i don't agree with you, I'd rather learn than argue

Firstly, no religion supports stealing, bribery, corruption, and every other factor you blame religion for. So if Christ or Muhammad doesnt want me to steal, Is Christ or Mohammed to be blamed if i do, or me?

Secondly, countries like USA, UK did have religious foundations, yet they are doing well. A country like Ethiopia wasn't even colonized, and they are behind in Africa. I expect you to see some sense with Nihilistjnr post, but you immediately discarded it and continued repeating the same thing you said

If you would take your time to read what others contributed, instead of just repeating the same religious lines, you'll see some sense in it

nihilistjnr:


First your friend caught fresh meat...

Then he invited you to sample the juniors with him

You rounded these young boys up to a secret location, and on the way there you thought it would be a fun affair....

There's no way anybody can tell me this man isn't describing how he planned a gangr4pe here.

This individual is sick

raumdeuter:


Your claim was that Christianity introduced by missionaries brought about docility which under developed Africa
I have given you several countries that are not Christian dominated in Africa and underdeveloped
I have given you a country like South Africa which is still colonized to some extent and one of the most developed in Africa
I have given you an example of Ethiopia that was never colonized and still undeveloped
I even gave you countries in Asia who did not adopt the religion of their colonizers and are still undeveloped

The purpose of colonization is to get cheap resources for their homeland and the govt culd care less if you are Islamic(As seen in Northern Nigeria and many African countries), or you are Hindu Buddhist or even worship stones. As long as there are resources to be sent to their homeland

One would expect Ethiopia to be the most developed nation given they were never colonized nor have a foreign religion foisted on them

A001:

It's an established fact that colonialism underdeveloped Africa, including Nigeria, and many people know this, including the whites.

If you feel it turned the continent to a developed region or a paradise instead, that's your belief completely divorced from reality.

raumdeuter:

I think you captured the crux of my post. Countries in Asia do not practice Christianity and are still undeveloped.

South Africa still colonized one of the most developed in Africa
Ethiopia never colonized one of the least developed in Africa

How can we correlate this

nihilistjnr:

Wetin concern me concern his signature?

The real valid question if we're interested in establishing the truth is where Donjazet saw my private parts on Nairaland.

Why don't you start with that?

A001:

Lols, this is what's expected of a religious person. I should see some sense in the post of a person that says GB didn't send missionaries to Nigeria or didn't establish Christianity in Yorubaland in the 19th century?

I should accept a blatant lie to suit your parochial religious beliefs based on pure lies?

Well, I'm not not surprised. The foundation of your religion itself is based on pure lies, twisting the history of the indigenous people.

The common (but great) lie that the colonial masters spread through their various missionaries to Africa that Jehovah or Yahweh is the same as Olohun for Yorubas or Chineke or Osanonoa for Ibos/Edos is enough to discredit any teaching in your Bible, a book of lies and thousands of errors and contradictions.

But these native gods have no equivalent English meaning and have a distinct history and traits from Yahweh/Jehovah, the local god from Israel.

It's the same Bible that racists, slave masters, misogynists and colonialists used to justify their barbaric and anti-humane acts following the teachings of Yahweh.

A believer in a book of lies (the Bible) will readily welcome the distorted facts (pure lies) of another poster, even though they know quite well he's lying about the history of their religion.

The mentality of religious people is so ridiculous.

raumdeuter:


I am sure I posted that the purpose of colonialism is to get cheap resources for their homeland. Yes they took resources we should have used and plundered it for their home country. Now what has religion got to do with this

And how do you explain the never colonized Ethiopia

izzou:


If agreeing with you will make you feel fulfilled right now, I totally agree.

A001:

You typed a lengthy post that doesn't say anything salient as far as the points raised in my initial post you quoted are concerned.

You introduced North to back up whatever points you're making, and your submission would have been reasonable if the northerners were practising the indigenous religions of their forefathers, not Saudi's Islamic religion mainly spread and reformed via conquest by Usman dan Fodio.

I'm not arguing with you about how GB did their colonialization business in the North.

I'm not even interested in an argument at all, where one party will twist facts to win an argument like you're doing here.

But I'm up for meaningful discussion.

So far, you've failed to prove me wrong that religion is a key tool used by colonialists to maintain control over their subjects. I don't know how you want to disprove reality sha.

That's an exercise in futility.

Let me know when you've successfully wiped out the history of GB in Nigeria as far as Christianity is concerned to win an argument.

I shared an article earlier from Ohio State University that talks about how GB controlled the religious culture in Nigeria mainly through Christianity but no, they were not interested in the religion Nigerians practised.

I can post over twenty of such articles here that talk about these historical facts because it's common knowledge every educated person knows who's familiar with Nigeria's history.

If you want me to learn from what you're posting, you're using the wrong approach.

A001:

You don't have to. I appreciate intelligent responses that can prove me wrong with historical facts, not using lies and twisted facts to suit a parochial narrative.

If you present your points well with proofs, I'd agree with you.

When most Africans are intelligent enough to develop these systems indigenously and value the local cultures and languages, the continent will have a higher chance of development.

A001:

I already explained the role of religion in colonialism in my earlier posts backed with historical facts.

If you feel GB and Portugal never considered religion (Christianity) a key part of their colonization campaign by sending missionaries to Nigeria and Africa, you can let me know.

And if that's the case, the onus on you is to prove these historical facts wrong by posting your sources.

I gave a source to back my position earlier and can provide more than 20 of such proofs.

China, Japan are good examples of a country that practice their indigenous religion and develop.

These countries show that when you own (develop) your systems of belief (religion) and education and language, you've a higher chance of development.

These countries are not like many African countries, including Ethiopia, who practise foreign religions, despise their local, indigenous culture and language.

When most Africans are intelligent enough to develop these systems indigenously and value the local cultures and languages, the continent will have a higher chance of development.

raumdeuter:


In the same Asia Bangladesh Nepal India and most of South East Asia practice their own indigenous religion and are under developed
In the middle east most of the countries practice their own indigenous religion and are still under developed bar the select places where the rules stay like their own Abuja(Dubai) and Lekki, Banana Island(AbuDhabi)

izzou:


Agree ke? Don't agree with me oh. Because currently, everyone is getting confused with your takes

You have shifted from Religion as the problem, to Africans not practicing their indigenous religions.

So if we worshipped Obatala, Sango and developed on it, we would be better of baa?

Is this the new argument?

raumdeuter:
All the Asian countries that practice their own indigenous religion like India Pakistan Middle east South East Asia, Malaysia, Thailand etc how developed are they?

nihilistjnr:


Who is Ohio state University?

Sir I posted Lord Lugard, the guy who created Nigeria in his own words, telling you that he went as far as ensuring Non-Muslim teachers did not teach in Muslim schools, and how he believed his government should not intervene in local custom. He even refused to let teachers teach in English, creating a policy where teachers taught in their own language.

I have posted it again.

It is clearly illogical to say the British used Christianity to control Nigerians in a country where Islam was so entrenched, that Sharia was embedded in our constitution at Independence.

It is also clearly nonsensical to suggest that The Country that literally Invented the Anglican Church was using Catholic missionaries to control Nigerians.

Nigeria's problem was very simple. The British deliberately avoided creating a common culture for the 200+ tribes the bundled together as a country. For as long as the Colonial government was there, they were the glue that held us together. On their way out, they ensured that 52% of Nigerian parliament came from the north to ensure the supported Independence. Southerners had been fighting for Independence since the 50s. Ahmadu Bello the most important ruler in the land actively FOUGHT against Independence (that alone should give you pause for thought)

Nigeria formally removed the queen as HoS in 1963. Within 3 years there would be the first coup. Aguiyi Ironsi would abolish the existing regional governments. A year later both East and MidWest would be drawing up secession plans from Nigeria, in a few months, there would be civil war.

Nigeria would go on to endure 30+ years of military rule across 5 successful coups and 3 unsuccessful ones. At least 2 of the coupists would return to rule us democratically for another 16 years combined. One of them even tried to rule for 12 years. Another coupist who ruled with an iron hand tried to make himself president for life, until he was assassinated using an apple.

Somewhere along the line, the concept of Federal Character was born, and introduced to the Nigerian constitution in 96. The concept of meritorious appointment in government which was at least paid lip service to, was gone. Now it's simply to try an keep people from breaking away. The concept reflects in the zoning practices of our main political parties now and the general political discussion.

Nothing can move forward when a bunch of people who dont trust each other are focused on ensuring they get a piece of the national cake, rather than putting the right people in the right positions. That is the reason we are so backward in this country, and that my friend, is the Legacy of our Colonial Masters.

If the British had actively used religion to control us, then muslim-muslim or christian-christian ticket wouldn't even be a thing. It specifically because they actively AVOIDED creating any sort of national culture or religious framework that we are as backward as we are today.

The exact same thing happened in India by the way. India and Pakistan used to be one country. They both gained independence in 1947 . That same year, India and Pakistan went to war. They have since fought 4 wars against each other. Neither country is christian. Both are very backward.

Christianity has nothing to do with it.

I have nothing more to say at this point,

raumdeuter:


In the same Asia Bangladesh Nepal India and most of South East Asia practice their own indigenous religion and are under developed
In the middle east most of the countries practice their own indigenous religion and are still under developed bar the select places where the rulers stay like their own Abuja(Dubai) and Lekki, Banana Island(AbuDhabi)

izzou:


[color=royalblue]Agree ke? Don't agree with me oh. Because currently, everyone is getting confused with your takes

A001:

That's why I highlighted chance in my post. Nothing is guaranteed in life.

But some actions and decisions significantly improve one's chances of achieving success.

If a student is highly intelligent, attends classes, and reads, it's not a guarantee they'll pass exams or succeed in life.

But their intelligence and dedication give them a much better chance.

Then, one does some things in life because they're the right things to do at that point in time, not necessarily for the short-term gains.

A001:

Everyone that doesn't understand simple statements in English perhaps because of their low level of education or intelligence is getting confused.

Truly, many Africans are no doubt on a lower reasoning frequencies than people from other continents of the world, especially the West.

raumdeuter:


Chance will mean a few exceptions not almost an entire continent of Asia which has almost half of the entire world population

izzou:


You are definitely the most intelligent African alive.

They have shown you indigenous religions that are in abject poverty, you have shifted the bar to "Chance".

You really have a skill of repeating a thing until it begins to sound true. I commend you for that

A001:

No need for lengthy posts just to prove that the Great Britain never sent missionaries to Nigeria.

Can you tell me where I mentioned Catholic Church in my posts? With this attitude of yours, it shows most of what you say are pure lies.

I clearly stated the Great Britain sent many missionaries to Africa to spread Christianity, not the Catholic doctrine.

Is catholicism the only sect in Christianity?
It's on record that the Church of England's CMS appointed Samuel Ajayi Crowther as the first Anglican Bishop of the Niger.

But you're typing lengthy posts to prove the lie that GB never sent missionaries to Nigeria.

You need to do better to defend this blatant lie.

I'm sure Portugal too never sent missionaries. You can type 1000 words to disprove that too.

A001:

Religion is a key tool colonial masters use to subjugate their conquered territories after the use of forces via war and/or invasion.

Any colonial master who is wise knows that to keep hold of a people for long, you need to give them a religion such as Christianity that glorifies having a meek attitude and forgiving your enemies.

nihilistjnr:


At no point did I ever say there were no missionaries in Nigeria.

You said:


There are 3 main tribes in Nigeria. I then pointed out that

1. The British actively vetoed missionary outreach to Hausa/Fulani
2. It was Catholic missionaries that penetrated Igboland. Great Britain is literally the inventor of the Anglican Church, and their Head of State is also the Global Head of Anglican Church. It stands to reason that Anglican church will send Anglican missionaries out, no?
3. Ajayi Crowther was the main Anglican missionary in Yoruba Land. He was a returned slave funded by CMS, yet Yoruba indigenous religion was and remained strong in his time.

So if in colonial times, we had an Anglican presence in only 1 of the 3 major tribes, then how were the Colonials using religion to control us?

Instead i will point you to accounts that showed the colonial government was actively restricting missionary activities. One colonial administrator sacked a traditional leader that converted to Christianity. Another one complained that Christian converts were becoming too difficult to govern because they now think they are equal to the white man. Lugard himself felt that the missionary schools were 'FRAUDS', his words not mine, and that Christianity was causing his populace to get too uppity

You can see that far from trying to introduce Christianity to us, the colonial administrators were ACTIVELY fighting it and trying to surpress the religion, which is why Lugard rushed to prevent Christianity from reaching the North.

If you the quotes of the actual colonial masters are not enough for you, but some random nobody in ohio is the evidence you're banking on, then bruv, I have nothing else to say.

Roland17:


@A001 is an outstanding and intelligent chap, I have known dis for a while. It is not necessarily about believing his position because I disagree on some but how he makes a great argument
about his position.