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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 4:13pm On Nov 18, 2022
Cameroun that just drew 1-1 with Small Panama??

It is well.

O pari x10.

Icon79:
Haha!! Morocco ke? Expect to be disappointed again, broda. I gave up on those Arab countries when they started losing to the likes of Saudi Arabia and some minnow Asian countries. Take for instance, Morocco was unbeatable before the last World Cup, only to lay an egg once they stepped out in Russia.

Anyway, I have learned my lessons. Right now, I am with Senegal and Ghana. I expect even Cameroun to do better than Morocco and Tunisia.

Outside of Africa, I am all for Messi winning his first World Cup. Unfortunately, the absence of Giovani Lo Celso might disrupt their chances. But if the Argies can’t then I will pitch my tent with Brazil and the Netherlands. I think those two countries play the best football in the world right now.


O pari

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by AndSunGorilla: 4:19pm On Nov 18, 2022
Danielnino00:


You have a point with regard to Onyedika, but given our lack of options, a second chance should have sufficed... Alhassan on his own would add some steel to the midfield... TBH, Iwobi is the only one of our regular midfielders that seem to have improve of recent .. Ndidi looks like a shadow of his former self even at Leicester..maybe due to the injuries... Etebo is now playing in Greece, nothing improved... As for Aribo,I think it's becoming more clear that he isn't the type of guy you use to control a midfield... When you need someone to score goals from midfield,you play him close to the opponent box..u don't use him as a controller...
I think maybe we should have at least 6 midfielders invited in a 23 man squad and if Aribo would be invited, he probably should be like the 7th midfielder meaning he can float between being part of the offense when needed or play in the midfield if we need to get lots of goals. Then for Ndidi, I hope he regains his form or maybe he should just do like Amartey and move back to the defense. The way Ndidi was yanked off could be one of 3 reasons 1) he was being protected cos he is recovering from injuries 2) a precautionary move because he felt something 3) he was abysmal and got yanked off. Long story short, no reason why the popular midfield trio shouldn't be called up. That said, a tree or even 3 trees would not make a forest, the coach needs to do a thorough review of his tactics and methods.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by COOL10(m): 4:20pm On Nov 18, 2022
Joao Felix single handedly destroyed our midfield. His movement and passes were lethal.

Ndidi is obviously still yet to regain his good form, no thanks to the constant injuries. I knew this would happen with Leicester choosing to play him in almost every match since he joined them. There was a season where he played every single game for them. Unfortunately, the stress is now beginning to tell.

Onuachu impressed me with his link up play. He did well dropping into the midfield and trying to make things happen.

Like I've always said, Iwobi is a beast in the middle. That guy is something else. He's always looking up, he's always looking to play progressive passes. Any striker with superb movement will enjoy playing with Iwobi.


Bright Osayi did well defensively but not so much going forward. Surprisingly when he did, he won us a penalty. I'm looking forward to seeing him play as a RW(since that is his natural position) with perhaps Aina or Ebuehi as RB.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 4:32pm On Nov 18, 2022
Bruno Fernandes: Hey Guy, how far naa? Your Old Trafford magic no work today. grin

Uzoho: Omo, Guy, today dey one kain but good to see you too. I gbadun that una last win vs Fulham. Carry on. grin


P.S: Recall that Uzoho is a staunch Man Utd fan.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 4:38pm On Nov 18, 2022
Egypt dey wire Belgium 1 nil

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 4:44pm On Nov 18, 2022
minfelix:


Na WA oo, Keshi is good amodu is also good, do is rohr good, same way we complained amodu sack prior to 2010 WC is same way we are complaining the unnecessary sacking of rohr b4 Afcon and b4 WC

I no dey follow una complain at all... Drag the clock back to last year and I will still 100 percent support the sack... I never supported Peserio appointment cus he was more or less another Rohr given his pedigree with his former teams...

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by do4luv14(m): 4:52pm On Nov 18, 2022
TheSuperNerd:
Oghenekaro Etebo yesterday:
21 mins+ played. 23 touches. 19/20 accurate passes. 2 pass entries into the final third. 0/1 accurate long balls. 2 recoveries. 1 foul committed. 0/1 ground duels won.


And what do you have to say about this, in relation to those that started,
Do the Eagles still need him
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 5:17pm On Nov 18, 2022
Egypt currently hammering Belgium 2-0

Belgium is using a very strong team

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by zuchyblink(m): 5:19pm On Nov 18, 2022
Egypt beating Belgium 2 nil. 85 percent of their players play in back water leagues grin grin

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 5:20pm On Nov 18, 2022
grin grin

Joebie:
TheSuperNerd adjust your timing of posting pics of the boys tagging then with their nicknames from before the game to after. E go sweet like that. I no like chop Komekn bitter leaf soup.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 5:28pm On Nov 18, 2022
zuchyblink:
Egypt beating Belgium 2 nil. 85 percent of their players play in back water leagues grin grin
so as they in back water leagues mk wetin happen? smiley
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by zuchyblink(m): 5:30pm On Nov 18, 2022
charlesemeka85:
so as they in back water leagues mk wetin happen? smiley
for those who rate players According to the league they play in

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 5:35pm On Nov 18, 2022
Your question is quite on the spot and I will rather choose to answer it this way...

Let the best be picked from technical and tactical points of view for the team.

When we put these parameters below together against each player, we can tell who got it and who is needed most....


- Ball-playing Nous/Ball Handling IQ
- Press resistance (Ability to dribble away from a press, Ability to dribble out of a tight spot, Ability to dribble out of a press)
- Lines breaking passing
- Progressive passing
- Vertically progressive Carries
- Tackling
- Interceptions
- Box to Box
- Late runs into the box (sometimes from deep)
- Ability to hit strikes from distance.
- Ball recycling/Recoveries
- Ability to switch plays
- Passing range
- Workrate
- Pressing
- Game reading IQ
- Set pieces IQ
- Spatial Awareness
- Vision
- Spinal/Quick/Good decision making
- General Dribbling

*Will add any more qualities I remember.

So in the light of the above listed qualities... we can answer truthfully for ourselves.


do4luv14:



And what do you have to say about this, in relation to those that started,

Do the Eagles still need him

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Philosopher1979: 5:36pm On Nov 18, 2022
zuchyblink:
for those who rate players According to the league they play in

The North African league is not a backwater league. I wonder why we underrated players from such a league. Emmanuel amunike and John utaka played there.
Remember Mohammed Salah is from the Egyptian league.
It is better than all these Latvian and Cyprus leagues our players run to
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 5:42pm On Nov 18, 2022
zuchyblink:
Egypt beating Belgium 2 nil. 85 percent of their players play in back water leagues grin grin

Thanks oohh Zuchyblink. Gracias on this point.

Simple Assignment for the house:

Abeg browse and see for yourself the leagues the likes of Tarek Hamed, Mahmoud Hamada, Ahmed Tawfik, Ali Gabr, and Moh'd Hamdi ply their trades.

Yep, you guessed it. Backwater leagues.

Even Trezeguet is in Turkey.

Old war horse, Ahmed Hegazy formerly of Semi's team, West Brom is now at Al Itthad in Saudi Arabia.

But it is only in Nigeria, that we don't rate players in leagues even more decent than these lots.

Once again, Zuchy, thanks so much. wink

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 5:43pm On Nov 18, 2022
Let us be honest with ourselves.

In the light of the European leagues, it is definitely considered Backwater. But within Africa alone, we all know it is arguably the best league we have on the continent. But the point remains... it is indeed Backwater globally.

Philosopher1979:


The North African league is not a backwater league. I wonder why we underrated players from such a league. Emmanuel amunike and John utaka played there.
Remember Mohammed Salah is from the Egyptian league.
It is better than all these Latvian and Cyprus leagues our players run to

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by AndSunGorilla: 5:48pm On Nov 18, 2022
ChrisKels:


CharlesEmeka, Elyte etc make una come carry una god off my mention oo grin because if I turn around like a venomous black mamba now follow am up, na una and that little cricket wey always dey beg for my attention go begin shed tears all over the thread for am grin grin
Oga Chris, hope say no be me you dey call cricket? Probably the moniker with big long ears, because if na me, I go vawulently provoke.
If una go call me insect, at least call me Mosquito, we no go fight over that one.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Philosopher1979: 5:51pm On Nov 18, 2022
TheSuperNerd:
Let us be honest with ourselves.

In the light of the European leagues, it is definitely considered Backwater. But within Africa alone, we all know it is arguably the best league we have on the continent. But the point remains... it is indeed Backwater globally.


Point is there are some leagues in Europe worse than the best African leagues.
Leagues like Latvia, Cyprus etc are not as good as the best African leagues. Better to be in Al ahly than to be in soartak trnava in Europe.
A good African league can develop our players to world class level.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 5:56pm On Nov 18, 2022
True. There are but they are all still classed as Backwater.

Is the Egyptian league better than the Turkish League?

Is it better than the Ukrainian league?

Is it better than the Croatian league?

Or even the Greek League?

Don't people generally consider Turkey, Ukraine, Greece and even Croatia as being among the Backwater leagues of Europe?

Do you see the point now?


Philosopher1979:


Point is there are some leagues in Europe worse than the best African leagues.
Leagues like Latvia, Cyprus etc are not as good as the best African leagues. Better to be in Al ahly than to be in soartak trnava in Europe.
A good African league can develop our players to world class level.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 5:57pm On Nov 18, 2022
zuchyblink:
for those who rate players According to the league they play in
no player dem dey do favor to play for bigger league. Na player hard work and talent dey carry am go big league
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon79(m): 5:59pm On Nov 18, 2022
Bro, the game never start now. Haha! Just wait until the the kickoff, then we’ll see who’s who. Do you think that Egypt can defeat Belgium in a real match? Right now, all the teams going to the World Cup are taking it easy to avoid unnecessary injuries.


O pari

TheSuperNerd:

Cameroun that just drew 1-1 with Small Panama??

It is well.

O pari x10.

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 6:00pm On Nov 18, 2022
As if e get players wey dem cheat mk dem no play for bigger leagues cheesy

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 6:05pm On Nov 18, 2022
No wahala.

It is true that Belgium went a bit soft today. But still, I cannot but notice that the Egyptian backline isn't even their first choice Backline. Yet Belgium fell.

It is well.

When WC begin, your eyes on Cameroun go clear.

I think Ghana would even do a bit better than Cameroun but both are going home after the first round. Time will tell.

Icon79:
Bro, the game never start now. Haha! Just wait until the the kickoff, then we’ll see who’s who. Do you think that Egypt can defeat Belgium in a real match? Right now, all the teams going to the World Cup are taking it easy to avoid unnecessary injuries.


O pari

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:12pm On Nov 18, 2022
TheSuperNerd:
Your question is quite on the spot and I will rather choose to answer it this way...

Let the best be picked from technical and tactical points of view for the team.

When we put these parameters below together against each player, we can tell who got it and who is needed most....


- Ball-playing Nous/Ball Handling IQ
- Press resistance (Ability to dribble away from a press, Ability to dribble out of a tight spot, Ability to dribble out of a press)
- Lines breaking passing
- Progressive passing
- Vertically progressive Carries
- Tackling
- Interceptions
- Box to Box
- Late runs into the box (sometimes from deep)
- Ability to hit strikes from distance.
- Ball recycling/Recoveries
- Ability to switch plays
- Passing range
- Workrate
- Pressing
- Game reading IQ
- Set pieces IQ
- Spatial Awareness
- Vision
- Spinal/Quick/Good decision making
- General Dribbling

*Will add any more qualities I remember.

So in the light of the above listed qualities... we can answer truthfully for ourselves.

You are just describing Gundogan. Five star post.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Philosopher1979: 6:13pm On Nov 18, 2022
TheSuperNerd:
No wahala.

It is true that Belgium went a bit soft today. But still, I cannot but notice that the Egyptian backline isn't even their first choice Backline. Yet Belgium fell.

It is well.

When WC begin, your eyes on Cameroun go clear.

I think Ghana would even do a bit better than Cameroun but both are going home after the first round. Time will tell.


Cameroon does not do well in the world cup. Ever since Italia 90 they have not gotten out of the group stage.
They just can't compete at the world stage that we'll. They will draw 2 matches and loose one.
The African teams that do well on a global stage are
Nigeria
Ghana
Senegal
Morocco
Nigeria has gone past the group stage of the world cup 3 times. And I think we have most wins and goals. At our best we know how to compete on a global level

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon79(m): 6:29pm On Nov 18, 2022
Actually, I totally agree with you. Between you and me, I don’t expect Cameroun to do well because they have a tough draw. Brazil, Serbia, and Switzerland are all top teams. In addition, as a coach, Rigobert Song is just a poor man’s Austin Eguaveon. But watch out, they will put up a better fight than those North African sissies grin.


O pari

TheSuperNerd:
No wahala.

It is true that Belgium went a bit soft today. But still, I cannot but notice that the Egyptian backline isn't even their first choice Backline. Yet Belgium fell.

It is well.

When WC begin, your eyes on Cameroun go clear.

I think Ghana would even do a bit better than Cameroun but both are going home after the first round. Time will tell.

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 6:36pm On Nov 18, 2022
One of those North African Sissies, although not WC-bound, just beat Belgium grin and did so without their strongest Midfield and without their first choice Backline.

Like I already said, I am all for Morocco's brand of football which I admire. It doesn't matter if they cross the first round or not. But I reckon they will fare better than Cameroun in terms of performance and actual plays.


Icon79:
Actually, I totally agree with you. Between you and me, I don’t expect Cameroun to do well because they have a tough draw. Brazil, Serbia, and Switzerland are all top teams. In addition, as a coach, Rigobert Song is just a poor man’s Austin Eguaveon. But watch out, they will put up a better fight than those North African sissies grin.


O pari

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by daveP(m): 6:49pm On Nov 18, 2022
As Issa Hayatou bagged his 1.5m bribe and their Amos Adamu and co, a part of me want to believe Cameroon may see KO stages, even if that is highly possible. I want to give Hayatou the benefit of doubt that his beloved red and greens under Eto'o were part of his bribery deal with dem Qatar.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 7:24pm On Nov 18, 2022
Meliforme:
THE DEFEAT TO PORTUGAL WHAT WENT WRONG?

It has never been about what went wrong, but what keeps going wrong.

"You can't keep repeating a particular routine expecting different outcomes"

Every tactical setup, requires the right personnel for application.
A 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 or any other tactical setup and the attendant variations of them, require playing personnel with the right technical and tactical qualities to thrive.
Wingers required to prosecute 4-4-2 have qualities that are quite different from wingers for 4-3-3.

In the former (4-4-2 ) the wingers are directly exposed and in sync with their fullbacks.

They are to do the following:
* Provide cover for their fullbacks. this involves additional defensive abilities.
* Provide support for the forwards.
* The ability to score goals is not primary to what is expected of them.
* They must possess decent ball passing abilities such as the ability to give long balls, crosses, chipped passes.
* They make decisions typical to their roles. for instance, shooting at goal is not usually the first option for a winger in this setup, rather the winger utilises feasible options to make the ball available to the forwards.


In 4-3-3, the winger in this setup is referred to as a forwards or striker. The involvement with their fullback is more diminished because of the presence of a midfield trio, ipso facto They are expected to have more offensive duties than defensive.

The following is expected of them:
* Score goals. This is primary to their roles.
* Assist the Center Forward in many ways ( to be discussed later).
* There is more flexibility to the manner at which the winger contributes to defense. This is essentially a coach's preference or tactical approach. Nevertheless on the average they spend more time in the opposition's half.


In Super Eagles. judging from the descriptions given of wingers in 4-4-2 and 4-3-3 , it is very obvious that we are deploying the wrong personnel in the chosen tactical arrangement. For instance Moses Simon and Ademola Lookman are forwards (strikers) and do not have the required defensive capabilities and passing finesse to thrive as wingers in 4-4-2. They are modern forwards groomed to thrive in a front three. They lack the ability for build up play and ball progression. That is the job of midfielders. That is the job done for them at their clubs. They are usually at the receiving end.

If we must stick to 4-4-2, We will have to go for players who will not only provide good defensive cover, but also decent ball passing ability, players groomed for build up play, and patient on the ball.

Moses doesn't have the required defensive capabilities....what? shocked shocked

Most of the players were misplacing passes. Iwobi was the culprit in the first half.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by zuchyblink(m): 7:27pm On Nov 18, 2022
charlesemeka85:
no player dem dey do favor to play for bigger league. Na player hard work and talent dey carry am go big league

some mediocre players are playing in Europe today because they were born in Europe or they grew in Europe. Some good players in Africa age,place of birth and nationality factors made them not to play in Europe or big leagues in Europe. Some of our best are in the trenches.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by do4luv14(m): 7:28pm On Nov 18, 2022
TheSuperNerd:
Your question is quite on the spot and I will rather choose to answer it this way...

Let the best be picked from technical and tactical points of view for the team.

When we put these parameters below together against each player, we can tell who got it and who is needed most....


- Ball-playing Nous/Ball Handling IQ
- Press resistance (Ability to dribble away from a press, Ability to dribble out of a tight spot, Ability to dribble out of a press)
- Lines breaking passing
- Progressive passing
- Vertically progressive Carries
- Tackling
- Interceptions
- Box to Box
- Late runs into the box (sometimes from deep)
- Ability to hit strikes from distance.
- Ball recycling/Recoveries
- Ability to switch plays
- Passing range
- Workrate
- Pressing
- Game reading IQ
- Set pieces IQ
- Spatial Awareness
- Vision
- Spinal/Quick/Good decision making
- General Dribbling

*Will add any more qualities I remember.

So in the light of the above listed qualities... we can answer truthfully for ourselves.





The First casualties of this point raised is M. Simon, can't dribbles out of thigh space, wayward crosses,

Had not watch his Club games, But in GWG, He had been one dimensional, It makes me miss Vicmo
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by zuchyblink(m): 7:31pm On Nov 18, 2022
If you are born in Africa,there is a ceiling over you. You must go through the obscure leagues before joining the big boys in the big leagues. Before you know it age don catch up with you

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