CoronaVirusRelo:



I shared scriptures with you about gathering in the name of God. Do you still dispute any of those verses?

When people gather? Won’t they need funds required for such gathering?

In a world of today, a gathering of people will DEFINITELY require funds.

You cannot worship anything without expenses.

Witches and wizards require funds, Confraternity's require funds.

So it’s a basic to use funds to set up a place of worship. Is their any religion in the world that does not have a place of worship?

I don’t even get the point you trying to emphasize here. Are you saying people should not worship in one accord? Meaning you have a problem with every religion in the world.

Kobojunkie:
A. But Jesus Christ never asked anyone to build your churches using His name. So of what concern of His is all your bill paying, your church alms giving, your paying of employee salaries, etc?

B. Again, Jesus Christ never asked anyone to site or build these businesses, hire employees, etc. using His name so why do you think it makes sense to then use His name to collect donations for these businesses?

Kobojunkie:
Again, Jesus Christ clearly drew a distinction there using the taxes/tithes between those who are people of God aka the Jews .I.e. those who have the blood of Jacob in their veins and those who are the Children of God aka Sons of God. If that teaching there went right over your head, I am afraid there isn't much I can help you with understanding. N

okenze007:
1. You that is asking whether christ asked them to build church or pay electricity. I am sure that civilisation has not gotten to you. Irrespective of the religion you belong to, do you worship on the road, bush or in a building called house.

2. Do your leaders in your belief use electricity and other modern amenities or not.
You are a hypocrite that don't see any good in others religion.

3. Tithing not my problem but for you to have asked whether christ asked to build a place called church.
I am sure u are living in a house, why do you live in a house

Nwatachoba1:
A. There are more than we know and see. Life is deep JESUS rarely entered churches or synagogues. He preached and did His miracles everywhere He goes, now we are in the modern world

Me myself, I sometimes donate building materials to church anytime it comes to my heart,I'm not doing it cus I was mandated to or something, if you are spiritual enough, you will know that .. YOUR MONEY IS ALSO A FORM OF PRAYER, ALL THESE THINGS REVOLVE IN THE SPIRITUAL REALM.. WHERE YOUR PRAYER CAN'T REACH,YOUR OFFERINGS AND TITHES CAN PUSH IT FURTHER....


Eg.. Lord look at that which I do in Your name,bless me or heal me etc...where two or more people are gathered, the Lord is there.. you may meet or have seen the genuine and fake pastors etc, does not mean they are all bad... David said,(I can't give to the LORD what costs me nothing) and Solomon his son sacrificed 1k animals and God came to him

B. Hannah gave something to recieve something If you feel ur sacrifices or offerings and tithes are enriching your pastors.. I ask

C. HOW MUCH DO YOU GIVE THAT FEEDS YOUR PASTOR AND HIS FAMILY AND ALSO PAY THOSE WORKING WITH HIM? IF you can't give, keep it and nobody will arrest you or kill you. Thank you

SonofmanPikin:
Read Matthew 17:24-27. Jesus paid the Temple tax.

unstoppable51:


Source: https://stm.com.ng/tithe-and-giving-in-the-new-testament/

ChinemeremFidel:
Kobojunkie please can you balance things here..

The way you twist the bible to suit your stint is what amazes me.
You are a good bible scholar but you are imbalanced.

Jesus actually paid the tax that was demanded from peter. Tax is the authority, a compulsory one for the growth and development of the country,,Jesus would never ask you evade tax,,its a sin,,it has nothing to do with tithing.

Tithing is not tax please..

Kobojunkie:
The Old Law or Moses is in fact the National Constitution of the State of Israel which God gave to the people of Israel- Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 - and the Tithes, vows, sacrifices and offerings et alll are all part and parcel of the Tax system He created as part of that Law.

The reason most of you don't know this even though it has been in scripture scripture thousands of years is because you refuse to approach God on your own, submitting your minds and lives to the schemes and manipulations of men instead.

ChinemeremFidel:

You are always beating around the bush.. What's your stance on tithing

I just made my opinion clear,,please summarise your stance if not don't quote me

Jovialjune1:
Freezer is WRONG

It is specifically stated in the new testament that giving tithe is not a sin, instead Jesus condemned those that prefer to tithe when their heart is not pure and there are other weightier issues, HE specifically said "you cannot focus on one aspect and neglect the other"

Matthew 23:23 (KJV) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Luke 18:12 (KJV) I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

Hebrews 7:5-9 (KJV) And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:


Jesus specifically said that HE did not come to abolish the LAW nor condemn it, but to fulfill it.

lookingfly:
did Jesus tithed? This is a yes or no answer.

Jovialjune1:


It is not a yes or no answer, because nowhere does it say he did not give tithe.

lookingfly:
he paid tax and it was recorded, if he had paid tithe, it would have been recorded. If you dispute this fact, then show me where it was recorded he paid tithe?

delpee:
No need for arguments. It's not compulsory. No one can be jailed for not paying tithe. It's a matter of understanding, wisdom and choice.

harlems02:
1. By Faith, we are seeds of Abraham and heir according to His promise.

2. If our Father Abraham paid tithes then why do we dispute it today? Tithing shouldn't be debated as children of God.

Kobojunkie:
A. Your money means absolutely nothing to God. So also your prayers if offered in disobedience of His teachings and commandments. Stop making gods of things which are of no meaning using God names to pretend such delusions are of value abeg.

B. Nowhere is it written in scripture that Hannah received from God because she gave everything, do you realize that?

C. Jesus Christ, through His many teachings and commandments, more than explained to you lot that it is not your giving that causes God to act but your obedience of God's Law to you that causes that.

Look around you at the generations of givers who gave their all to your pastors and mogs, majority majority them dying in poverty as a result and their children after them also living in squalor as a result of the foolish decisions made by their parents to give to pastors and mogs. This describes the majority of your church goers to this day and will continue to for as long as this practice of teaching foolishness using God's name continues.

Nwatachoba1:
1. HOW MUCH YOU DEY GIVE YOUR PASTOR THAT CAN FEED HIM AND HIS FAMILY AND ALSO PAY OR REPAIR OR BUILD THE CHURCH OR HIS BUSINESS OR SHOP AS YOU SAID? that is what my argument is based on now

2. You are just going up and down,

3. how much you dey give your pastor as an OFFERING SEF,WEY BE SAY IF YOU NO GIVE,HUNGER GO KILL AM? Tell me. And if your OFFERING AND TITHES PUT TOGETHER CAN'T BUY HIS DAILY BREAD OR BUY HIS SUITS OR EVEN THE MIC HE HOLDS TO PREACH, DEN KEEP IT AND LET'S SEE IF HE GOES HUNGRY....

4. MY PEOPLE PERISH FOR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE DO WHAT YOU THINK IS RIGHT IN YOUR OWN EYES( UCHE ONYE ADIRO NJO)

Jovialjune1:



You think everything that happened or Jesus did was recorded? Every single detail? LMAO

If he didn't pay tithe, he wouldn't have talked about and approved it, now show me where it was recorded that he didn't pay tithe?

CoronaVirusRelo:


The church will pay bills.

They have electricity, water, rent, transport, maintenance, laundry e.t.c

If the members don’t fund, how will a church survive?

I am against tithing, but supporting the church is not a sin and it’s not mandatory.

Basicend:
If you truly encountered God and you are genuine follower of Jesus without having hope in anything else, then you will know that you must give a portion to your God to show love and sustain relationship.

Daddy Freeze reads bible like a story book and a deviated a lot of young ones astray. Check the fruits of freeze and all his steps till date, you will not see the seed of God in him. Be careful with such men. Personally get close to the holy spirit.

The scriptures was authored by the holy spirit and as God spake unto those men, so it is the spirit that can bring interpretation.

Tithing is not as important as your faith, mercy, love and justice as spoken by Jesus in Luke 11.42, but he required us to do it also. At least for the babes. If you get higher in God you will submit more than that.

I can't pay 10 percent of my earning to God and I have been running like that for more than 10 years and I earn less than 100k in Lagos. But God has been very faithful.

The last time I visited an hospital for any treatment, or even ordinary malaria was 2007 June and he has removed many leakages from my life process and entire family.

By Grace, God enabled me to set a pillar for my entire family and even clan.

I did this because I want to be just in my business and my place of work. I don't have any other hope than Jesus. I am a disciple.

The Standard of the new testament is that we should drop all at the feet of the master to become a disciple.

Peter said we have forsaken all followed thee what shall we have therefore. . Matt 19.27

The apostles(that Freeze usually refer to) shared all the had amongst themselves that was why they wrought signs in the measure and manner of Jesus.

I don't have a church. . But I am speaking as a witness and a seasoned intercessor. A man has to be broken, for God to elivate him.

A man that does not have Jesus in him cannot disciple any man coz Jesus is discipler. Paul said, follow me as I follow Christ.

Do you know how much followers of priests of darkness pay to as homage on a monthly basis to sustain their evil gods.

Just 10 percents, Christians will still be debating. . Be holy, they will still not want to hear, and they want to work in power. LOL.

Alms and lendings have their sperate place.

May God expand these things.

Kobojunkie:
1. What authorities would that be?

2. In God's Old Covenant Law - the National Constitution of the State of Israel - which God designed specifically for the state of Israel, Tithing is part and parcel of the Tax system in the Land. So also are the offerings, vows, sin offerings, etc. They are all of them a part of the Tax system God designed for the people to follow.

You need to open your mind to read and understand God's Law for what it is in this.

Piptocoin:
1. The governing authorities....state authorities, the authorities that wield judicial, legislative and executive powers of the state.

2. Tax? Seriously? Tax and tithes are not different according to you. Wow. I won't even have this discussion.

3. A question, why was Cain's "tax" "rejected" while Abel's was accepted? Does that tell you that taxes, tithes, and offerings are one and the same thing?

24 Jesus and his followers went to Capernaum. There the men who collect the two-drachma Temple tax came to Peter and asked, “Does your teacher pay the Temple tax?”
25 Peter answered, “Yes, he does.” Peter went into the house where Jesus was. Before Peter could speak, Jesus said to him, “The kings on the earth get different kinds of taxes from people. But who are those who pay the taxes? Are they the king’s children? Or do other people pay the taxes? What do you think?”
26 Peter answered, “The other people pay the taxes.” Jesus said, “Then the children of the king don’t have to pay taxes - Matthew 17 vs 24 - 26

MaxInDHouse:


It signifies faithfulness in the lives of God's people!

Nobody knows what an Israelite makes yearly in his or her business yet he must calculate all his expenditure with the capital invested then subtract his gain/profit this must be divided into ten places and a part he or she will bring to the Levites.

So it's impossible to ascertain if an Israelite is honest with this or not that's why it takes great faith on the part of the depositor!

But after Jesus established Christianity the rule changed {Hebrews 7:12} Christians aren't required to bring in tithes anymore because all of them are Levites spiritually speaking but yet they must pay their tithes to the High Priest (Christ Jesus) HOW?


Jesus commanded his disciples to make profits through the talent (knowledge) given to each of them {Matthew 25:15} with the knowledge they have each must preach and teach to increase the disciples of their master {Matthew 28:19-20} this is lot more difficult than the former tithe because each disciples must go out to preach and teach in his or her neighbourhood so there's no way a dubious person can hide without being noticed in his neighbourhood if he's one of Jesus' disciples unlike the former tithe that only required giving out materials things a disciple of Christ must prove to be blameless in his territory otherwise everyone will know him as they will be pointing fingers at him or her when he/she is preaching from house to house and door to door for Christ.

Today JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the one and only group practicing this tithe system that's why they must spend their time preaching and teaching in our neighborhood. Each making the best use of the TALENT the master gave them.

You may have been wondering why Jehovah's Witnesses always preach and teach as if they're forced to do it well it's because that's the one and only way we pay our TITHES to the master DIRECTLY. So it's left for any disciples what he or she will do with the TALENT (KNOWLEDGE) our Master Lord and King Christ Jesus gave him! Matthew 25:24-30

God bless you and may you have PEACE!