Michael547:

I get your point. But does the fossils that are found today prove that ancient animals evolved into different kinds of animals today?

we always find these fossils in well defined positions in Earth's strata.

You will never see a fossil in a strata dated 50million years ago, it disappears and reappears again 10,000 years ago.

Fossil appear suddenly in the strata, where did they appear from if not from others organism there or alive today?

MaxInDHouse:


Please who recorded the events 5million years and 4.6billions years ago?

You guys just think because you want to hide under science you can fool everyone!

Real SCIENCE (SENSE) made us understand that life on this planet began in less than 7,000 years so who recorded your 4.6billion years account?

who is Asian between Adam and Eve?

Workch:
wjo was African between Adam and Eve.
Answer that question

Adam and Eve were the first perfect looking creatures until their descendants began moving towards different locations to experience different temperatures and atmospheric conditions.

So neither Adam nor Eve is African, American, Asian, European or Australian.

I just don't see any reason why you're disputing this simple logic yet you want me to agree that all these people came from APE.

Abeg how come we have different skin colour and languages if all were APES?

Ọmọ creation na bàbá evolution na madness!

Workch:
Mutation and variation is the basis of evolution, it’s the driver for evolution.
That’s actual what evolution is. Without variation,the diversity we have today will be impossible and you and I won’t be here today

However, when mutation and recombination occurs over a long period of time, to an extent that the resultant species can no longer mate with the parent species, speciation occurs.

I see that you do not really understand evolution, you have the impression that evolution is when another organism becomes another, no. Evolution is the little change that occurs at every point of reproduction that is passed than to offsprings.

With time, these changes accumulate and are driven by natural selection, which then eventually may cause speciation.


Speciation: When a species can no longer mate with any of its ancestral species.

An example of recent speciation can be seen in the emergence of a new species of a Galapagos finch that can no longer mate with their existing parent species, they can only mate with themselves and they evolved into another species few decades ago.

Can you kindly give more scientific explanation about the biological difference between the new specie of the galapagos finch and their previous parents specie? Are they not all still finches made up of the same biological stock?

MaxInDHouse:


Ọmọ creation na bàbá evolution na madness!

Mad people selling madness

Michael547:

I get your point. But does the fact that crocodiles roamed with dinosaurs gives scientific proof that they evolved from dinosaurs? If apes are not found to be roaming with dinosaurs and have been existing for about 5 million years till today, does that not suggest that they could have come suddenly?

I didn’t say that crocodile evolved from Dinosaurs.

Yes that suggest that Apes came suddenly. Because when we go deeper down the strata, the lesser the frequency of seeing apes related fossils until you finally don’t see them all. As you screen back up, ape fossils becomes more frequently seen.

The deeper down you go, the more frequent you see Dinosaurs, if you screen back up, the lesser you see them until the disappear

In the fossil records, fossil appear and disappear at some point. The evidence we have for that is that a lot of those fossils are not longer in existence anymore.



I see that you are very open-minded, do you mind if I explain to you how geology works in relation to fossil records so you can get the clear picture?

Osamabinladenik:
we always find these fossils in well defined positions in Earth's strata.

You will never see a fossil in a strata dated 50million years ago, it disappears and reappears again 10,000 years ago.

Fossil appear suddenly in the strata, where did they appear from if not from others organism there or alive today?

So what exact organisms could they have appeared from? And where did those previous organisms come from too?

Osamabinladenik:
Jesus basically is a bastard by definition.
He has no genealogy since he wasn't gathered by joseph.

The bible if taken literally is a very funny book

Never insult the Bible or our Divine Ancestors Adam and Eve!

Workch:
I didn’t say that crocodile evolved from Dinosaurs.

Yes that suggest that Apes came suddenly. Because when we go deeper down the strata, the lesser the frequency of seeing apes related fossils until you finally don’t see them all. As you screen back up, ape fossils becomes more frequently seen.

The deeper down you go, the more frequent you see Dinosaurs, if you screen back up, the lesser you see them until the disappear

In the fossil records, fossil appear and disappear at some point. The evidence we have for that is that a lot of those fossils are not longer in existence anymore.



I see that you are very open-minded, do you mind if I explain to you how geology works in relation to fossil records so you can get the clear picture?

Alright....if we both agree that fossils records show that apes came suddenly, What could have been the cause?

MaxInDHouse:


SCIENCE agreed difference in circumstances and temperature of geographical locations on this planet do affect the looks of creatures living there. So help yourself!

Bro Max, don't answer him
He's a confused indecisive person
He claims to know sciences but here, he's trying to DELIBERATELY ignore the fact about VARIATIONS and other factors that can affect human race

Ask him which one makes sense to him

Humans are descent of animals or humans come from one stock?

Osamabinladenik:
Jesus basically is a bastard by definition.

The definition of bastard is

Merriam-Webster
https://www.merriam-webster.com › ...
Bastard Definition & Meaning
The meaning of BASTARD is a child born to parents who are not married to each other.

And Jesus's parents were married before He was born, so like your evolution nonsense, you lie.

Aemmyjah:

Bro Max, don't answer him
He's a confused indecisive person
He claims to know sciences but here, he's trying to DELIBERATELY ignore the fact about VARIATIONS and other factors that can affect human race
Ask him which one makes sense to him
Humans are descent of animals or humans come from one stock?

All their professors on this forum knows me very well because i won't follow their complex ideologies i only focus on simple logic that can be understood by all sane humans.
So let them provide better answers on how different languages and races all come through APE!

Michael547:

Can you kindly give more scientific explanation about the biological difference between the new specie of the galapagos finch and their previous parents specie?

Finch is a group


Are they not all still finches made up of the same biological stock?[/quote]finches is a family of birds, and not species.
If you remember in your ss1 taxonomy class in biology, living organism are classified from kingdom to phylum to class, to order, to family, to genus and finally species (we also have subspecies). A species of organism are a population of organisms that are genetically compatible to reproduce to have fertile offsprings ( e.g., lions and tigers can mate to produce offsprings, however their offspring are usually sterile hence we cannot classify them as one species, however a subspecies of lion like asiatic lion can mate with African lion to produce fertile offsprings).

Speciation is the moment in a line of evolutionary lineage where one of the offsprings can no longer mate with any of the ancestral species.

Finches is a family of bird and not a species, Just as apes are an order of primate and not a species. If one species of finch emerges, it’s still a finch in the family of finch.

However, with more and more time, this evolution progresses into the level of genus, to order, to family, to class, to phylum and kingdom. It’s why we have 7 kingdoms of living organism, it took more than 3.5billion years just to get 7 kingdoms of animals, it takes lesser to get more species

Michael547:

Alright....if we both agree that fossils records show that apes came suddenly, What could have been the cause?

The cause is that Apes must have come from other closely related kind of animals that existed before them.

They didn’t come via a magic wand did they? Just as a new species of Galapagos finches didn’t come from thin air 30years ago

Michael547:

So what exact organisms could they have appeared from? And where did those previous organisms come from too?

Every organism comes from a pre-existing organism. That's what we know and that's speciation in evolution.

What we don't know if how the first organism came, we don't know that at all but we are working on a model for that called abiogenesis.

Abiogenesis is not fact yet but evolution is fact, it's the only explanation for the biodiversity that we have today.

MaxInDHouse:


Adam and Eve were the first perfect looking creatures until their descendants began moving towards different locations to experience different temperatures and atmospheric conditions.

So neither Adam nor Eve is African, American, Asian, European or Australian.

I just don't see any reason why you're disputing this simple logic yet you want me to agree that all these people came from APE.

Abeg how come we have different skin colour and languages if all were APES?

Ọmọ creation na bàbá evolution na madness!

so how did we get different Dillon colours?

Workch:
The cause is that Apes must have come from other closely related kind of animals that existed before them...

So as Obasanjo and Oshiomole resemble monkey they came from monkeys?

So which animal, Chidi Mokeme, Majid Michel and Jaimie in Game of Thrones come from?

Come to think of it there are no white apes so where did white people come from?

Workch:
Finch is a group


Are they not all still finches made up of the same biological stock?finches is a family of birds, and not species.
If you remember in your ss1 taxonomy class in biology, living organism are classified from kingdom to phylum to class, to order, to family, to genus and finally species (we also have subspecies). A species of organism are a population of organisms that are genetically compatible to reproduce to have fertile offsprings ( e.g., lions and tigers can mate to produce offsprings, however their offspring are usually sterile hence we cannot classify them as one species, however a subspecies of lion like asiatic lion can mate with African lion to produce fertile offsprings).

Speciation is the moment in a line of evolutionary lineage where one of the offsprings can no longer mate with any of the ancestral species.

Finches is a family of bird and not a species, Just as apes are an order of primate and not a species. If one species of finch emerges, it’s still a finch in the family of finch.

However, with more and more time, this evolution progresses into the level of genus, to order, to family, to class, to phylum and kingdom. It’s why we have 7 kingdoms of living organism, it took more than 3.5billion years just to get 7 kingdoms of animals, it takes lesser to get more species

Ok thank you. So What will it take biologically for a Galapagos finch to evolve into another organism in a different family of animals? Can a finch family of birds evolve to family of apes? Is that biologically feasible?

Osamabinladenik:
Every organism comes from a pre-existing organism. That's what we know and that's speciation in evolution.

What we don't know if how the first organism came, we don't know that at all but we are working on a model for that called abiogenesis.

Abiogenesis is not fact yet but evolution is fact, it's the only explanation for the biodiversity that we have today.

Ok since you say evolution is fact, do you know of any animal that has scientifically evolved completely into another? And with evidence on how it happened biologically in the cell of the evolving animal.

Michael547:

Ok thank you. So What will it take biologically for a Galapagos finch to evolve into another organism in a different family of animals? Can a finch family of birds evolve to family of apes? Is that biologically feasible?

No one can predict evolutionary progress accurately this is because the genes that survives long enough to be passed down to offsprings is determined by the environment and in a constantly changing evironment (Which is hard to predict), anything is possible with enough time. This is what we call natural selection.

The idea is mutation/recombination, variation, changing environment and time to adapt. If any species doesn’t have any of this, that species will go extinct hence the reason we find a lot of fossils of extinct species

Michael547:

Ok since you say evolution is fact, do you know of any animal that has scientifically evolved completely into another? And with evidence on how it happened biologically in the cell of the evolving animal.

do you mean evidence of one species evolving into another?

Or a monkey giving birth to a human?
Or a fish giving birth to a goat?

Are people not seeing that this evolution shit is the trick of using something too small almost to the point of invisibility eg blood platelets to unreasonably explain how an elephant comes from a crocodile?

Can an elephant come from a crocodile?

Or do we use engine oil to prove whether a car is a Toyota or Mercedes or Chrysler and evolved from Rolls Royce?

This is just one of the several deceptions we would see as Prophecied. Revelation 13:14
“And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do...

Obviously, science and inventions is the miracles which the agents of the beast is using.

Workch:
No one can predict evolutionary progress accurately this is because the genes that survives long enough to be passed down to offsprings is determined by the environment and in a constantly changing evironment (Which is hard to predict), anything is possible with enough time. This is what we call natural selection.

The idea is mutation/recombination, variation, changing environment and time to adapt. If any species doesn’t have any of this, that species will go extinct hence the reason we find a lot of fossils of extinct species

So are you saying that for now there is no possible explanation of how an organism can biologically change completely into another organism? Are we believing evolution by faith too instead of practical exact explanation?

Osamabinladenik:
do you mean evidence of one species evolving into another?

Or a monkey giving birth to a human?
Or a fish giving birth to a goat?

Yes

Workch:
so how did we get different Dillon colours?

That's the way God planned it because He wanted Adam's descendants to move towards different locations on the planet knowing fully well that their skin colors will be affected even though they're speaking the same language! Genesis 1:26-27

But it's because they chose to remain in one geographical location {Genesis 11:1-4} against God's will that's why He confused their language! Genesis 11:6-9

This is what is affecting your very existence and peace on this planet not some useless, worthless, hopeless theories of no practical benefits just to fill your skull and making you feel special when one of your fellow students can just think of exterminating you for an experiment!

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Michael547:

So are you saying that for now there is no possible explanation of how an organism can biologically change completely into another organism? Are we believing evolution by faith too instead of practical exact explanation?

When a dice is spinning, it’s hard to say exactly where it will end, it doesn’t mean that you should accept the fact that the dice is spinning by faith.

Look at the animal below in the picture, is that animal a fish or amphibian?
That’s probably hard to call for someone who doesn’t really know the animal. This animal breath both on land and in water comfortably.
It has an organ capable of breathing water and air.
This animals evolutionary trend is very predictable because we know that this animal has always lived in the water and it’s a fish, but right now it’s adapting to live on land, it’s fins over generations are tilting towards walking on land. It’s gills are changing to something that can breath air but it’s still a fish and it will remain a fish for a long time.

However, it’s most likely going to evolve into something that specifically lives on land in many years and it might even evolve back into a solely aquatic animals depending on the environment.

How did we know this? we cannot find the fossil of this exact kind of fish in the record 10million years ago, so we know that this feature didn’t exist forever.

Workch:
TWhen a dice is spinning, it’s hard to say exactly where it will end, it doesn’t mean that you should accept the fact that the dice is spinning by faith.

Look at the animal below in the picture, is that animal a fish or amphibian?
That’s probably hard to call for someone who doesn’t really know the animal. This animal breaths both on land and in water comfortably.
It has an organ capable of breathing water and air.
This animals evolutionary trend is very predictable because we know that this animal has always lived in the water and it’s a fish, but right now it’s adapting to live on land, it’s fins over generations are tilting towards walking on land. It’s gills are changing to something that can break but it’s still a fish and it will remain a fish for a long time.

However, it’s most likely going to evolve into something that specifically lives on land in many years and it might even evolve back into a solely aquatic animals depending on the environment.

How did we know this? we cannot find the fossil of this exact kind of fish in the record 10million years ago, so we know that this feature didn’t exist forever.

What is the name of this animal?

Michael547:

What is the name of this animal?

snakehead fish

Workch:
snakehead fish

I just did a google research on the animal and found out that it is a fish not an amphibian. And that the specie belongs to the channidae family of fishes. And that they are well represented in the fossil records of at least 50 million years ago. And no record of it evolving into completely any other animal since then. The facts still remains that science cannot explain how an organism can completely change to another because it has never been witnessed.

1)Fossils records gives evidence of fully developed animals that came suddenly and died or went extinct without any evidence of gradually changing into another organism entirely.

2) Mutation, Variation and speciation are not still evidence of how an animal can change biologically completely into another animal of a different family. They only affect variations within a kind of animals.

Michael547:

I just did a google research on the animal and found out that it is a fish not an amphibian. And that the specie belongs to the channidae family of fishes. And that they are well represented in the fossil records of at least 50 million years ago. And no record of it evolving into completely any other animal since then.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1055790310001405

Read this research on science direct

Michael547:

I just did a google research on the animal and found out that it is a fish not an amphibian. And that the specie belongs to the channidae family of fishes. And that they are well represented in the fossil records of at least 50 million years ago. And no record of it evolving into completely any other animal since then.

Lets assume the fossil has been dated for since 50million years?

Why Didnt it date 3.5billion years ago?

Why did it appear 50million years ago?

Workch:
Lets assume the fossil has been dated for since 50million years?

Why Didnt it date 3.5billion years ago?

Why did it appear 50million years ago?

Because that group of families of fish appeared suddenly. Which suggests that they were created but did not evolve. Right from time they have always been completely developed. No gradual development noticed by the fossil records.